Is the Quran an eloquent hoax?
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And why are you so conservative about it, you don't acknowledge the biblical narrative anyway. So maybe the Quranic Mary had a brother named Aaron and the family of Amram has nothing to do with Moses.
I meant your comprehension vis-a-vis my post, not the story of Mary.
You suggested that Aaron was the brother of Moses and so Mary was their sister, just because they called her "sister of Aaron"? My respons was based on this claim. Where's the conservatism? -
I meant your comprehension vis-a-vis my post, not the story of Mary.
You suggested that Aaron was the brother of Moses and so Mary was their sister, just because they called her "sister of Aaron"? My respons was based on this claim. Where's the conservatism?Find me one human singlular relationship status that isn't literal.
I am just stating the obvious.
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Find me one human singlular relationship status that isn't literal.
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When their brother Noah said unto them Will ye not ward off (evil)?
26124When their brother Hud said unto them Will ye not ward off (evil)?
4912O ye who believe! Shun much suspicion; for lo! some suspicion is a crime. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you love to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Ye abhor that (so abhor the other)! And keep your duty (to Allah). Lo! Allah is Relenting, Merciful.
When their brother Lot said unto them Will ye not ward off (evil)? -
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When their brother Noah said unto them Will ye not ward off (evil)?
26124When their brother Hud said unto them Will ye not ward off (evil)?
4912O ye who believe! Shun much suspicion; for lo! some suspicion is a crime. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you love to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Ye abhor that (so abhor the other)! And keep your duty (to Allah). Lo! Allah is Relenting, Merciful.
When their brother Lot said unto them Will ye not ward off (evil)?OK. Fair enough. We will let it pass for now. peace
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I believe this is just a cheap trick. Write something (or inherit whatever was written by supposedly inspired holy men) and claim it is divine. Then say exactly (or similar to, depending on the "god" you believe) what is written in Zohar.
Voila! Sincere believers will never doubt this and they will just propagate this generations after generations.
Anwar Azim
A Torah scroll in which a single letter is missing or extra is invalid (Maimonides, Laws of a Torah Scroll,). In the Zohar it is written (part two, Mishpatim), "The whole Torah is the name of the holy One, blessed be He? -- and if one removes a single letter from it, it is as though he had damaged His name, may it be praised;" this is also brought in the introduction to the Minchat Shai, see there.
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We still have our humanity and reasoning/thinking power. Let's not forget about that. Let's put them to good use. )
Anwar Azim
bravo
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We still have our humanity and reasoning/thinking power. Let's not forget about that. Let's put them to good use. )
Anwar Azim
Very much so, and it isn't like God only provides guidance a few times in history and then stops. God is always providing guidance to all human beings who will listen through their experiences.
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Very much so, and it isn't like God only provides guidance a few times in history and then stops. God is always providing guidance to all human beings who will listen through their experiences.
Thats the POV of Athena not Jerusalem.
That is reason and not revelation.
Did you know why Europe is advanced?
Because it simulate ancient Greece NOT Christianity.
Christianity brought about the dark ages.
Hail science!
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Hail science!
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20 minutes laters, many worshippers worshipped the God of Reason in the temple of Rationale in Athena.
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Hail Science indeed!
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Thats the POV of Athena not Jerusalem.
That is reason and not revelation.
Did you know why Europe is advanced?
Because it simulate ancient Greece NOT Christianity.
Christianity brought about the dark ages.
Hail science!
I disagree, the pagan gods did not have the qualities we ascribe to the one God. Revelation is very much something continuous in the monotheistic tradition. That's why Islam categories Jesus and Muhammad as prophets and messengers of God, to show the continuity of God's grace for human beings.
Plus God's "Revelation" is not something related to 'scientific method'. And 'Scientific Method' is ABSOLUTELY NOT Greek/Helenistic. The Greeks may have been good at maths, but 'scientific method' as we today understand it emerged from the medieval arab world, particularly with the experimental methods of Ibn al-Haytham. The Greeks did not follow any process of experimentation designed to be replicable and peer reviewed.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method#Introduction_to_scientific_method
The whole story of painting the Greeks and Romans as 'scientific' and 'logical' is pure hype and fantasy. It is mostly a falsehood created by the Roman Catholic Church after the roman empire collapsed, to paint themselves as perpetuating civilization rather than just being a group of weirdos encouraging sexual repression. Scientific method started with Arab Muslims and was brought to fruition by North European Protestants. The Greeks, and Romans and Pagans never had anything to do with it.
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I agree about the scientific method but the Israelites were a bunch of retards in comparison to the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Greeks, the Romans etc. This is because the latter started to work hard and separated fact from myths and ignored the mystics. But the hebrews and their lazy followers are waiting for the Messiah to clear things up for them.
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That was probably an effort to forget about the Arab/Muslim contribution. What if those Arabs/Muslims did not preserve Greek/Roman science, math and philosophy? We would never have gone beyond witch-hunting and burning of the infidels of the superstitious medieval ages, as well ancient ones including Greek/Roman superstitions. Not that superstition has been wiped out from the world, and it probably will never be, unless all people become enlightened about Nature.
Anwar Azim
The whole story of painting the Greeks and Romans as 'scientific' and 'logical' is pure hype and fantasy. It is mostly a falsehood created by the Roman Catholic Church after the roman empire collapsed, to paint themselves as perpetuating civilization rather than just being a group of weirdos encouraging sexual repression. Scientific method started with Arab Muslims and was brought to fruition by North European Protestants. The Greeks, and Romans and Pagans never had anything to do with it.