Anthony Wallace - a messenger or not?
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Anthony Wallace, your questions/accusations are in normal font, and my responses in boldface...
Where was God not speacking of "me" in Quran? Can you show me the verses?
You are claiming to be a messenger, the messenger is spoken of in the Quran, and it is not you, it is Muhammad. FYI, too lazy to look up verses speaking of the messenger, but if you don't think the Quran is talking about you, then where is your basis (or rather, mis-basis) for claiming to be some divine messenger?
And can you show me where I claimed that a specific verse was specifically speaking of me and noone else? And of Muhammad specifically? Or can you show me were it is immposible for two or more people to share some of the same experiences?
b]If you claim to be a messenger, then the holy book you claim to be a messenger of HAS to speak of you. If you are not mentioned in the Quran (which you are not) then God/Quran does not support your claims.
They called Muhammad metally ill, and misguided too; so why should I care what you think ( especially someone who doesnt know if his observations of the Quran are right or wronge)?
Anthony, take psychology. Schizophrenics often think a specific text or television program is referring to them when, in fact, they are not. Some also think that God talks to them (I do believe He speaks to us each individually), but you take it to a whole new level by claiming to be chosen.
2.Someone who doesn't know if his observations are right or wrong??? I say that in true humbleness and so that others do not follow what I think, but instead think for themselves and allow God to guide them to His path! In my mind there is ABSOLUTELY no doubt that my views are correct (and completely work for me). I truly feel God's love, have seen countless miracles in my own life, and taste His grace on a daily basis. I am not so completely arrogant (or sick) as you to try to tell others my views are correct and should be followed, but instead let them figure it out for themselves!
And how long have you stayed on this Earth in terms of years?
Not sure if that was a rhetorical question, but if it wasn't, then 30.
And which one of the messengers in the Quran do you believe? Isnt there more than one messenger mentioned in the Quran? So do you only accept one messenger mentioned in Quran and reject the others?
- The ones spoken of in the Quran. 2. There are. 3. Yes, all others are irrelevant to me, I don't really care about them. I have the message of God alone, and do not need any human, messenger or otherwise to remember, obey, or pay homage to. The message is already here, thus the messengers are completely unimportant to me.
Narrated and not narrated? Or only those narrated? You do agree that God is and will be witness between us? Why wish me well if you think im a false messenger?
I don't even know what you are saying/asking in the first part, but the reason why I wish you well is because I truly feel sorry for you. I don't think you have evil intentions with claiming to be a messenger, but I believe you are either mentally ill, sickly misguided, or both. Since you intent is not bad, I feel sorry for you and hope God guides you. I don't really wish bad on anyone, actually.
You say that you may or may not be right in your observations about the Quran. Well why should anyone listen to you or follow you then!
If you dont know of you right or wronge? Why should I compromise wit you when you do not have certainty and are doubtful and I am on a clarity from my Lord?Read above Anthony, it is said in humbleness. I do 'know' my views are correct, but until I actually speak with God on the Day of Judgment, I cannot say YES, YES, YES, they are 100% correct so follow me. I NEVER said anyone should listen to me, where did I say this? It is good to learn from each other, but I ALWAYS stress to allow God to guide each of us, NOT to rely on others'.
Then you would turn me into a rejecter-like you- after my belief! This is like the devil how he tells the human " Disbelieve" , then soon as he disbelieves, he says" I am innocent from what you do. I disown you. I fear God." And so what? So what if I never stop claiming to be Gods messenger and striving in His cause? And so what if I think the Quran has been inspired to me or that God is speaking of me ( A.D.W) in the Quran? What greater cost do I pay in my larger knowleadge or understaning? And faith and love?
Satan instills fear in you Anthony, since he has already cause you to believe you are a divine messenger, you are afraid to take back such claims. Satan uses such scare tactics to divert you from the path of God/humbleness/righteousness. I am NOT a rejector, I love God with all my heart Anthony, I truly do. I only reject human beings, like you because you are not necessary. You do not lead me to God, nor teach me anything new. I submit to God 100%, and do so without you, or any other 'messenger' out there.
Some of us have been given understanding, and some not. And some allitle more than others. And to try to tell people that our interpretation or understanding is better than others and that they need to follow us does not contradict the Quran, as mentioned before. You are not the first! Nor are you and the other rejecters anybetter than the ones from before. Your rejection will not be tolerated whatsoever with me. And no, my name ( Anthony Deshawn Wallace) is not written in Quran;o.k.? Ironacly and on the contrary, if you obey God and His messenger ,you all would not be going against the very Quran that you claim to follow. I do agree that me and others should not rely on you, but to seek guidance from God.
Yes, and I believe I have been given understanding. Yes, it DOES contradict the Quran, it tells us many times not to rely on others (or our forefathers) for guidance, and it goes on to say that the ONLY one who guides is God. You say they should follow YOUR views because you are a messenger. This is blasphemy Anthony, God tells us NOT to follow people like you, but instead to seek guidance through Him alone. You have been deluded by Satan into thinking you are something that you are not, when in fact you are no better or more special than any one of us here. I'm sure it probably hurts to hear that, but you need to know. We are ALL equal, and it is God we submit to. You and your views are above no one Anthony.
The truth is from God. That is " all" truth. I rest my faith in God alone. You speak of it as its just a book 1400 years old;while you have remained on the Earth for very little if you know. You have it all backwards,TheAlinatore. People like me who believe in God and His messengers and His words only increase your misguidance as it appears to me.
How so? By shunning man and seeking God alone? Your getting a bit sunni-ish with such claims, Anthony. I DON'T CARE about His messengers, they are all gone. All I have is God's message, and THAT is what I follow. There is no need for you Anthony, I have God and His word.
And also as you claim to know how I think. I only follow what is inspired to me from my Lord.
So you think, if you only knew who was inspiring you to make such claims Anthony, if you only knew...
Miserable is how you judge. Among us are those who submitted and the compromisers. As for those who submitted, they have sought what is corrct. And as for the compromisers, they are fuel for the Fire. God is more worthy to be followed. You have rejected Gods messenger ( me). You have rejected Muhamad. You have rejected Gods message.
Are you sick? Seriously? I follow the Quran and obey God alone, not you or any other false messenger out there. I don't reject Muhammad, I just don't worship him. I accept Muhammad's message (God, God, God) and reject him as an idol. I submit to God Anthony, not you. I love God Anthony, not you. I seek God Anthony, not you. Yes, I reject you and have no need for you, God is enough for me and shall be witness between us. I in no way, shape, or form reject his message, but believe in it and follow it to the best of my abilities. You are not part of that message and never will be. I feel bad for you Anthony, and think that you should focus on God alone. I bid you well, and hope you are able to find peace through our lord. peace
Maybbe you should stop being lazy and look up the verses of the messenger. Work, and God will see your work ,and His messenger and the believers. Then you will be returned to the knower of the unseen and the seen and He will inform you of what you did. Why dont you just let the messenger work as messenger. Let the believers work as believers. And let each work according to his own. Your Lord is fully aware of who is best guided. Work accordin to your own way. Do what works for you. Remember the name of your Lord. Obey God and the messenger and those in authority amonst you. Pay homage to God. And show me were God say not to follow people like me! You the one who need to stop lien and blasmyin. Think for yourself!
If we follow the desires, we will be lead astray. And if you know you are correct- then you are correct untill the day of Judgement. And if you truly love God TA ( and everybodyelse), God will guide your heart. He is the Hearer, the Knower. If I want to be messenger, I can.
And please dont try to show out.
Now do you have any Questions about God or the Quran?
You didnt claim people should "listen to you", but you are talking/typing, so that tells me that you have something you want to say or something you think should be listened to. Unless you just runnin of at the mouth. I havent seen a docter in awhile; which I should. My granny keep tellin me I need to get me a docter.
My "basis" is in those orders I gave you in this post and the previous ones that override your claims and in my recital of the Quran ( Which should be enough for you). I truly think that you ment what you said about being right or wronge in true humblness. At the same time, you are in disagreement about one who claims to be on a clarity from his Lord. Yes you have it all backwards , by shunning men. Because if God chooses to speack to you by means of sending a man/messenger to you and then you shun him; then you are shunning the One who sent him. The One you claim to seek. I have a slight cold/cough, poor appitite, alittle stress, ect.... Thats about as close to sick I am that I know of. Sereously.
Peace,
Deshawn
bravo
Anthony, do you expect us to believe every single person who says "I am a messenger" and if we don't we are rejectors/ disbelievers of them therefore we are rejectors/ disbelievers of God? How about those who claim they are messengers and are in fact mad?! Whether they are messengers or not, we have the Quran and only God will guide. Whether you are a messenger or not, let us focus on God alone, and you should too.
I think TheAlinatore said enough and I have nothing more to add.Peace
I reject Rashad K. with knowledge and Quranic proof and physical proof.
I think we should just watch what comes out our mouths and not utter what the rejecters utter in the Quran whatsoever. Especially without knowleadge.
Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord. The one who tells good news to the poor, who announces freedom, who say " Our God rules!"
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Anthony,
do you believe your "commandments" are authorized by God?
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Where are your clear proofs then?
You skipped my post. Do you have an answer?
Yes I have an answer. You just have to practice paitence and wait and not be hasty like most. My computer time is limited right now. O.k...?
Dont be a rejecter. It should be enuff clear proof for you that God has sent down the Scripture being recited to you. And if not, then no matter what proof I show you , you wont be able to see it. It should be enuff proof that what my rejecters say matches what the rejecters say in Quran. It should be enuff proof for you that TheAlinatore said to his messenger " Should mere human beings guide us?" Similarly this is what those who rejected said before to their messengers " Shall mere human beings guide us?" If thats not enuff proof for you then just contine to wait, and I will wait.
Do you want to know what the clear proof is? It is a messenger from God who recites purifyed Scripts.
Dont be a rejecter, denyer.
1410 Their messengers said ?Is there doubt regarding God, the initiator of the heavens and the Earth? He invites you so that He may forgive some of your sins, and grant you until a predetermined time.? They said ?You are but humans like us, you wish to turn us away from what our fathers used to serve. So come to us with clear proof.?
981 Those who rejected amongst the people of the Scripture and those who set up partners would not leave until proof came to them.
982 A messenger from God reciting purified scripts.
983 In them are valuable books.
984 And those who had previously received the Scripture did not divide except after the proof came to them.
985 And they were not commanded except to serve God and be loyal to His system, monotheists, and uphold the communion and contribute towards betterment. Such is the valuable system.Anthony,
do you believe your "commandments" are authorized by God?
What do you mean , dude?
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What do you mean , dude?
Well, you said that you're the one who gives the so-called "commandments" and we should not tell you to do anything.
So I ask you DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR "COMMANDMENTS" ARE AUTHORIZED BY GOD?Besides, waht is your message? Where is your proof?
If your message is "follow Quran alone" then this is not the place for proclaiming your message. You should be out there and preach "Quran alone" to the people. Look at what Rashad Khalifa did (note i dont care if you think he was a messenger or not) and look at what Prophet Muhammad did - they preached God's message to the people and took risks. -
Yes I have an answer. You just have to practice paitence and wait and not be hasty like most. My computer time is limited right now. O.k...?
Yeah right! You write articles after articles about you being a messenger and how we can't reject you but you can't even give us the message. Isn't that your job, to give us the message? Even just one short sentence? What is a messenger without a message to give?
Dont be a rejecter. It should be enuff clear proof for you that God has sent down the Scripture being recited to you
Thats what we've been telling you. That the Quran is enough. Why do we need you if we have the Quran?
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TheAlinatore said to his messenger " Should mere human beings guide us?" Similarly this is what those who rejected said before to their messengers " Shall mere human beings guide us?" If thats not enuff proof for you then just contine to wait, and I will wait.
First of all, you are NOT my messenger Anthony. I reject you and your idolatrous claims (idolatrous because I already accept God and His message and turn to him ALONE for guidance). You have brought NO NEW MESSAGE Anthony, only your interpretation of the Quran (we all have an interpretation of it). Your only difference is that yours is somehow better or more authorized because you are a 'messenger'. How little you reflect, for you are different from most because Satan has caused you to slander God. You also use His words against people for whom they are clearly not speaking (such as verses for denying the messenger when in fact I accept his message). The messengers before 'you' brought a message - you did not.
Also, I did not respond to your above post because it was way too long and my time is extremely limited (I've only been home 1 day in the past 2 weeks and have to leave early again tomorrow).
In summation, you accuse the verse above of talking about me, when in fact it is not. Why, you ask? Because I ACCEPT the humans/messengers (and message) spoke of in the very verse you try to use against me. PROOF POSITIVE it is not talking about me. Proof positive that it is NOT talking about you!
Anyway, you have no basis and never had one for being a messenger in the first place, except for stealing another messenger's message and claiming it as your own. How very sad my friend, how very sad. Good luck with all of that, you may need it in the next life. handshake
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Anthony,
DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR "COMMANDMENTS" ARE AUTHORIZED BY GOD?
Besides, whatt is your message? Where is your proof?
If your message is "follow Quran alone" then this is not the place for proclaiming your message. You should be out there and preach "Quran alone" to the people. Look at what Rashad Khalifa did (note i dont care if you think he was a messenger or not) and look at what Prophet Muhammad did - they preached God's message to the people and took risks.@everyone
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598266.15
Peace
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Anthony,
DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR "COMMANDMENTS" ARE AUTHORIZED BY GOD?
Besides, whatt is your message? Where is your proof?
If your message is "follow Quran alone" then this is not the place for proclaiming your message. You should be out there and preach "Quran alone" to the people. Look at what Rashad Khalifa did (note i dont care if you think he was a messenger or not) and look at what Prophet Muhammad did - they preached God's message to the people and took risks.@everyone
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598266.15
Peace
Do you really think that Mr. Anthony Wallace believes that he is a "messenger" ? Is that why he prefers to preach in the safety of the internet , out of harm's way ?
Peace
almarh0m
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Yes I have an answer. You just have to practice paitence and wait and not be hasty like most. My computer time is limited right now. O.k...?
Yeah right! You write articles after articles about you being a messenger and how we can't reject you but you can't even give us the message. Isn't that your job, to give us the message? Even just one short sentence? What is a messenger without a message to give?
Dont be a rejecter. It should be enuff clear proof for you that God has sent down the Scripture being recited to you
Thats what we've been telling you. That the Quran is enough. Why do we need you if we have the Quran?
The articles i write are responses. I only claimed to be messenger. Youll the ones who make a big deal out of it. The reason it take so long cause i like to know what im talkin bout when i talk. And for the rejecters one sentance isnt enuff. They must be spoken to with a clear saying.
First of all, you are NOT my messenger Anthony. I reject you and your idolatrous claims (idolatrous because I already accept God and His message and turn to him ALONE for guidance). You have brought NO NEW MESSAGE Anthony, only your interpretation of the Quran (we all have an interpretation of it). Your only difference is that yours is somehow better or more authorized because you are a 'messenger'. How little you reflect, for you are different from most because Satan has caused you to slander God. You also use His words against people for whom they are clearly not speaking (such as verses for denying the messenger when in fact I accept his message). The messengers before 'you' brought a message - you did not.
Also, I did not respond to your above post because it was way too long and my time is extremely limited (I've only been home 1 day in the past 2 weeks and have to leave early again tomorrow).
In summation, you accuse the verse above of talking about me, when in fact it is not. Why, you ask? Because I ACCEPT the humans/messengers (and message) spoke of in the very verse you try to use against me. PROOF POSITIVE it is not talking about me. Proof positive that it is NOT talking about you!
Anyway, you have no basis and never had one for being a messenger in the first place, except for stealing another messenger's message and claiming it as your own. How very sad my friend, how very sad. Good luck with all of that, you may need it in the next life. handshake
I dont care what you think dude.
You will be defeated and gathered towards Hell. What a miserable destiny. You didnt respond cause you caint and you know what i said is the truth and you are a people who set up equals....
Anthony,
DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR "COMMANDMENTS" ARE AUTHORIZED BY GOD?
Besides, whatt is your message? Where is your proof?
If your message is "follow Quran alone" then this is not the place for proclaiming your message. You should be out there and preach "Quran alone" to the people. Look at what Rashad Khalifa did (note i dont care if you think he was a messenger or not) and look at what Prophet Muhammad did - they preached God's message to the people and took risks.@everyone
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598266.15
Peace
Why do you keep twisting the truth and accusin me falsly?
I didnt say I give the "commandments." And I didnt say that " you all" should not tell me to do anything. I said that " you- the rejecter,hypocrite" do not tell me what to do.
God gives te "commandments. God and His messenger gives the orders. And also those in authority amonst you and the believers give the orders.
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My message
" Serve God and avoid evil."
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Peace
Do you really think that Mr. Anthony Wallace believes that he is a "messenger" ? Is that why he prefers to preach in the safety of the internet , out of harm's way ?
Peace
almarh0m
And what about you? You on the internet, too. And you dont know were I preach. Talk what you know. And im not stupid. And God is my protecter....
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I dont care what you think dude.
You will be defeated and gathered towards Hell. What a miserable destiny. You didnt respond cause you caint and you know what i said is the truth and you are a people who set up equals....
That's good Anthony, you honestly shouldn't care what I think. That said, see how you judge when such a right is reserved for God alone? Also, completely devoid of logic is your statement to tell someone who rejects man and accepts no one but God alone that they are setting up equals with Him. I'm not kidding here, zero logic in your judgment.
Maybe you should put the whole messenger thing on the back burner and sell Shamwows or something, it may prove more successful and useful.
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P.S. Who keeps voting for this guy? I'm guessing you must have 4 accounts here, right Anthony?
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First of all, you are NOT my messenger Anthony. I reject you and your idolatrous claims (idolatrous because I already accept God and His message and turn to him ALONE for guidance). You have brought NO NEW MESSAGE Anthony, only your interpretation of the Quran (we all have an interpretation of it). Your only difference is that yours is somehow better or more authorized because you are a 'messenger'. How little you reflect, for you are different from most because Satan has caused you to slander God. You also use His words against people for whom they are clearly not speaking (such as verses for denying the messenger when in fact I accept his message). The messengers before 'you' brought a message - you did not.
Also, I did not respond to your above post because it was way too long and my time is extremely limited (I've only been home 1 day in the past 2 weeks and have to leave early again tomorrow).
A messenger can "confirm a scripture" but I think messengership/prophethood can be accepted though clear signs (not sure if messengers have to have miracles but I'm 80% sure they do) though obstinance doesn't count as a sign (Wallace), other than that, you pretty much nailed it. I doubt anyone else is reading through all his crap either. After all we have very busy lives, but let me ask, how many here think Wallace is actually a messenger? rotfl
For the record, this thread is ******* hilarious. A messenger on free-minds.org...laugh
But hey you know, I guess there's a chance he could be. After all, he is advocating the Quran alone, right? That's one step forward to being one. bravo
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Why do you keep twisting the truth and accusin me falsly?
I didnt say I give the "commandments." And I didnt say that " you all" should not tell me to do anything. I said that " you- the rejecter,hypocrite" do not tell me what to do.
God gives te "commandments. God and His messenger gives the orders. And also those in authority amonst you and the believers give the orders.
ACCUSING YOU FALSELY?!!
This is what you said (from http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598266.45)
As for those who only guess at what saqar means, and so on... I will not follow your desires. If you dont know then you should just shut up if you knew what was better for you.
Are you the messenger? Should we obey and follow you? Do you want to learn the Quran? Then why are you talking? Or is it the devil inspiring his supporters to argue with Gods messenger? Whoever challenges God and His messenegrs will lose. And whoever challenges God will be tortured severly. Why do you dispute about things you dont know? And reject Gods signs while you are bearing witness?
@ everyone
Also, please see my posts here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16162.30BTW this is something AW said in that thread
Shut up, im bout gettin tired of you and all your false accusationsI have not even falsely accused you of ONE thing, Anthony. In fact, I was the one who held back some comments that I wanted to make in the beginning, while others attacked you. But all you did was accusing me of lying, of accusing you of doing/saying certain things and many more things. You have made fun of people and told me to "shut up" and said that we have to obey you and that none of our opions are valid.
If you truly were a messenger then you would follow this commandment
16125 Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.
You should repent and reform - it's not too late.
389 Except those who repent after this and reform, then God is Forgiver, Compassionate
16119 Yet, your Lord, to those who repent and reform after committing evil out of ignorance, your Lord after that is Forgiving, Compassionate.
Peace
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God is our protecter. And I do invite to the path with wisdom and good advice. But most of youll dont like my advice.............
The larger group will be defeated...
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144 And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, so he may clarify to them. But God misguides whom He wills, and He guides whom He wills. And He is the Noble, the Wise.