IS THERE EXTRA TERRESTRIAL LIFE
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@ Rami
2788, 3640, 395, 681, 7930
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Abstract force? rotfl rotfl rotfl
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@ Rami
2788, 3640, 395, 681, 7930
2788 Thou seest the mountains and thinkest them firmly fixed but they shall pass away as the clouds pass away (such is) the artistry of Allah, who disposes of all things in perfect order for he is well acquainted with all that ye do.
I admit that this verse apparently says that the Earth is moving, but note that it is referring to the mountains alone but in reality we think that the whole Earth is fixed not just the mountains. Also note that God is comparing it to the clouds, but where clouds actually disappear, the mountains doesn't as YOU supposedly move with it. So the mountains doesn't get out of your sight. So what is going on here? This verse is actually talking about the Last Day. A scary scene I might add. Look at the mountains, they are rigid right, when God comes with angels you will find that these mountains will disappear like the clouds so the Earth will be levelled. Just read the previous verse
2787 And the Day that the Trumpet will be sounded - then will be smitten with terror those who are in the heavens, and those who are on earth, except such as Allah will please (to exempt) and all shall come to His (Presence) as beings conscious of their lowliness.
Next verse
3640 It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day Each swims along in its own orbit.
Actually this verse proves that the Sun and the Moon are racing each other but they don't overtake. If the sun is moving toward the solar apex yada yada yada, then this overtaking business is meaningless.
Next
395 He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions) He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law) Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power - He Who forgives again and again?
Again, the Sun is running a course. It is most probably a north-south spiral that goes to and forth which explains the seasons.
Next verse please
681 Nun. By the Pen and the Record which men write.
OK. Next please.
7930 And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);
That is irrelevant to the fixity of the Earth but it is a very interesting verse. The Heavens are like a tent that was raised up then the carpet that was placed in the base of the tent is the Earth. One will ask what was in this space before. Water. His throne was on water. Some speculate that these cosmic waters are simply hydrogen and from hydrogen all elements were created.
Next Modern-Age skeptic
Abstract force? rotfl rotfl rotfl
Could you tell what exactly is gravity? Physicists are trying very hard to rationalize this mystical force.
At the time being, they take it for granted and call it gravity.
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Gravity it mass warping space/time
Love the certainty. I think general relativity is mathematical nonsense as a compensation for the rejection of ether- the medium for light.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=V026kSw4XCs&feature=related
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihVaL-FHUyk&feature=related
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q4fecFbYBg&feature=related SummaryElectricity and Magnetic forces could be the missing link in explaining the soul, the Jinns and the miracles of the Quran like the splitting of the sea etc.
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Study plunges standard Theory of Cosmology into Crisis
From physorg.com, May 5th, 2009
As modern cosmologists rely more and more on the ominous dark matter to explain otherwise inexplicable observations, much effort has gone into the detection of this mysterious substance in the last two decades, yet no direct proof could be found that it actually exists. Even if it does exist, dark matter would be unable to reconcile all the current discrepancies between actual measurements and predictions based on theoretical models. Hence the number of physicists questioning the existence of dark matter has been increasing for some time now.
Competing theories of gravitation have already been developed which are independent of this construction. Their only problem is that they conflict with Newtons theory of gravitation.
Maybe Newton was indeed wrong, declares Professor Dr. Pavel Kroupa of Bonn University's Argelander-Institut f?r Astronomie (AIfA). Although his theory does, in fact, describe the everyday effects of gravity on Earth, things we can see and measure, it is conceivable that we have completely failed to comprehend the actual physics underlying the force of gravity.
Comment Newton himself had the sense not to propose the actual physics underlying the force of gravity. All he did was to provide a mathematical expression describing the mysterious instantaneous tension between all matter in the universe. Einstein merely confused the question with his unreal notions of matter affecting empty space. On the other hand, the electrical concept of gravity deals with real-world physics. It uses the observation that matter (subatomic particles) under electrical stress exhibit different masses to draw attention to the fact that Newtons simple law of gravity embodies electrically variable masses. In other words, in an Electric Universe we require Electrically Modified Newtonian Dynamics, or E-MOND, to embellish the usual acronym.
This concept applied at the atomic level also provides a simple solution to the quasar redshift puzzle. Arp and others have shown that the redshift of any object is made up of an intrinsic component and a velocity component. The velocity component is the only one recognized by mainstream astronomers. The intrinsic redshift is a property of the emitting atoms in the object. It decreases with time in discrete or quantized jumps.
Quasars appear to be ejected, deficient in electrons, from their parent active galactic nucleus (AGN). The lightweight electrons remain tangled in the AGN plasmoid for much longer than the heavier protons and uncharged neutrons. As a result, the quasar has lower initial charge polarization compared to matter on Earth and, from the principle of E-MOND, all subatomic particles in the quasar have lower masses. Therefore, the emitting atoms also have lower masses, and their radiation has lower energy. The result is the observed intrinsic redshift of atomic emissions from quasars and their relative faintness.
Like the atom itself, the constituents of each atomthe protons, neutrons and electronscan be viewed as resonant systems of charge, capable of exchanging electromagnetic energy for quantum jumps between stable resonant states. The quantum jumps over time to lower redshift values occur as electrons from the parent galaxys jet arrive at the quasar and increase the quasars charge polarization. As its mass increases, according to E-MOND, the quasar slows from its high ejection speed at birth, due to conservation of momentum. When the intrinsic redshift value gets down to around z = 0.3, the quasar starts to look like a small galaxy or BL Lac object and begins to fall back toward its parent, while continuing to decrease in redshift. Eventually it becomes a companion galaxy. Arp has photos and diagrams of many such family groupings. Many can be traced to three and four generations of ejecting objects.
http//www.holoscience.com/news/img/Galaxy%20evolution.jpg
In an Electric Universe, faintness together with high intrinsic redshift is a measure of youthfulness, not distance and speed of recession.
The report continues
Two new studies could well lend further support to it . In these studies, Professor Kroupa and his former colleague Dr. Manuel Metz, working in collaboration with Professor Dr. Gerhard Hensler and Dr. Christian Theis from the University of Vienna, and Dr. Helmut Jerjen from the Australian National University, Canberra, have examined so-called satellite galaxies. This term is used for dwarf galaxy companions of the Milky Way, some of which contain only a few thousand stars.
According to the best cosmological models, they exist presumably in hundreds around most of the major galaxies. Up to now, however, only 30 such satellites have been observed around the Milky Way, a discrepancy in numbers which is commonly attributed to the fact that the light emitted from the majority of satellite galaxies is so faint they remain invisible.A detailed study of these stellar agglomerates has revealed some astonishing phenomena First of all, there is something unusual about their distribution, Professor Kroupa explains, the satellites should be uniformly arranged around their mother galaxy, but this is not what we found. More precisely, all classical satellites of the Milky Way - the eleven brightest dwarf galaxies - lie more or less in the same plane, they are forming some sort of a disc in the sky. The research team has also been able to show that most of these satellite galaxies rotate in the same direction around the Milky Way - like the planets revolve around the Sun.
Contradiction upon Contradiction
The physicists do believe that this phenomenon can only be explained if the satellites were created a long time ago through collisions between younger galaxies. The fragments produced by such an event can form rotating dwarf galaxies, explains Dr. Metz, who has recently moved across to the Deutsches Zentrum f?r Luft- und Raumfahrt (German Aero-space Center). But there is an interesting catch to this crash theory, theoretical calculations tell us that the satellites created cannot contain any dark matter. This assumption, however, stands in contradiction to another observation. The stars in the satellites we have observed are moving much faster than predicted by the Gravitational Law. If classical physics holds this can only be attributed to the presence of dark matter, Manuel Metz states.
Or one must assume that some basic fundamental principles of physics have hitherto been incorrectly understood. The only solution would be to reject Newton?s classical theory of gravitation, says Pavel Kroupa. We probably live in a non-Newton universe. If this is true, then our observations could be explained without dark matter. Such approaches are finding support amongst other research teams in Europe, too.
The deviations detected in the satellite galaxy data support the hypothesis that in space where extremely weak accelerations predominate, a modified Newton dynamic must be adopted. This conclusion has far-reaching consequences for fundamental physics in general, and also for cosmological theories. Famous astrophysicist Bob Sanders from the University of Groningen declares The authors of this paper make a strong argument. Their result is entirely consistent with the expectations of modified Newtonian dynamics (MOND), but completely opposite to the predictions of the dark matter hypothesis. Rarely is an observational test so definite."
Source Bonn University
http//www.holoscience.com/news/img/Galactic%20plasma%20evolution.jpg
This diagram shows the development of a spiral galaxy like our Milky Way in an Electric Universe.
The long-range (1/r) electromagnetic interaction between pairs of intergalactic current filaments, known as Birkeland currents, attracts matter from a vast volume of space. Where two filaments intersect, they form a spiral galaxy through the powerful electromagnetic Z-pinch effect. This concept has been tested in the lab and by particle-in-cell supercomputer simulations. It shows that the extremely weak and limited-range (1/r2) force of gravity has negligible effect in forming a spiral galaxy. It requires no dark matter or MOND!
Formation of the Milky Way galaxy in a cosmic Z-pinch offers a simple explanation for the discovery of satellite galaxies rotating in the same sense in the plane of the Milky Way galaxy.
http//www.holoscience.com/news/img/Z-pinch%20diagram.jpg
The Z-pinch simulation (left) and the plasma witness plate equatorial pattern produced in a supernova discharge (right).
The immense scalability of plasma phenomena allows us to use the dramatic example of the effects of a plasma Z-pinch on a stellar scale in supernova 1987A to explain what happens on a galactic scale. The Milky Way is formed in the central plasma column of the Z-pinch. Surrounding the Milky Way axially are a number of interacting plasma filaments arranged in concentric cylinders that have the potential to produce satellite galaxies. The number of filaments follows a characteristic pattern that suggests they will not be found in hundreds. Peratt writes, "Because the electrical current-carrying filaments are parallel, they attract via the Biot-Savart force law, in pairs but sometimes three. This reduces the 56 filaments over time to 28 filaments, hence the 56 and 28 fold symmetry patterns. In actuality, during the pairing, any number of filaments less than 56 may be recorded as pairing is not synchronized to occur uniformly. However, there are 'temporarily stable' (longer state) durations at 42, 35, 28, 14, 7, and 4 filaments. Each pair formation is a vortex that becomes increasingly complex." The rotating vortexes of the Milky Way and its satellites are driven electrically and will be in the same sense and roughly coplanar.
On a grand scale, the recently discovered evidence for a preferred handedness and axial alignment of spiral galaxies can be explained simply as the result of the general vector of electric current flow in our small corner of an Electric Universe of unknown size and age, remembering that the big bang notions of the size and age of the universe are worthless. The commentary in the MIT Technology Review is revealing ..the axis of this alignment points directly towards the mysterious cold spot in the cosmic microwave background, which was discovered in the southern hemisphere in 2004. Nobody knows what caused the cold spot although there are no shortage of ideas. The cold spot could be evidence that our galaxy sits in the middle of a supervoid, a giant empty bubble, say some researchers. Others say it could be the imprint of a parallel universe beyond our own.
The evidence2 is available that shows the cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation is not background at all. It is a local radio fog from interacting Birkeland filaments within the Milky Way. The cold spot confirms that the CMB has no cosmological significance. It is commonsense that one hemisphere will be colder than the other, unless we just happen to be dead-center in the electric current stream of our arm of the Milky Wayan unlikely situation. As for the suggestion of a parallel universe, it is a meaningless juxtaposition of wordssadly a regular feature of modern physics.
Clearly, the accepted gravitational cosmology of the big bang is hopelessly wrong. Galaxies are not formed by collisions and gravitational accretion. Such a mechanism can only produce random results, which we do not observe. The latest crisis for cosmology comes from relying on unempirical mathematical theorists, whose inappropriate training, dogged use of unsuitable concepts and confused language has led us astray for the entire 20th century. We are overdue for a sensible breakthrough in the 21st!
We are not required to guess or invent new laws. The laws we have are sufficient to understand the Electric Universewhen we truly understand those laws and where and when they apply.
http//www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=ep8d37ws
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2788 Thou seest the mountains and thinkest them firmly fixed but they shall pass away as the clouds pass away (such is) the artistry of Allah, who disposes of all things in perfect order for he is well acquainted with all that ye do.
I admit that this verse apparently says that the Earth is moving, but note that it is referring to the mountains alone but in reality we think that the whole Earth is fixed not just the mountains. Also note that God is comparing it to the clouds, but where clouds actually disappear, the mountains doesn't as YOU supposedly move with it. So the mountains doesn't get out of your sight. So what is going on here? This verse is actually talking about the Last Day. A scary scene I might add. Look at the mountains, they are rigid right, when God comes with angels you will find that these mountains will disappear like the clouds so the Earth will be levelled. Just read the previous verse
2787 And the Day that the Trumpet will be sounded - then will be smitten with terror those who are in the heavens, and those who are on earth, except such as Allah will please (to exempt) and all shall come to His (Presence) as beings conscious of their lowliness.
Next verse
3640 It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day Each swims along in its own orbit.
Actually this verse proves that the Sun and the Moon are racing each other but they don't overtake. If the sun is moving toward the solar apex yada yada yada, then this overtaking business is meaningless.
Next
395 He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions) He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law) Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power - He Who forgives again and again?
Again, the Sun is running a course. It is most probably a north-south spiral that goes to and forth which explains the seasons.
Next verse please
681 Nun. By the Pen and the Record which men write.
OK. Next please.
7930 And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);
That is irrelevant to the fixity of the Earth but it is a very interesting verse. The Heavens are like a tent that was raised up then the carpet that was placed in the base of the tent is the Earth. One will ask what was in this space before. Water. His throne was on water. Some speculate that these cosmic waters are simply hydrogen and from hydrogen all elements were created.
Next Modern-Age skeptic
Could you tell what exactly is gravity? Physicists are trying very hard to rationalize this mystical force.
At the time being, they take it for granted and call it gravity.
7930 He made the earth egg-shaped.
395 He created the heavens and the earth with truth. He rolls the night over the day, and He rolls the day over the night. He committed the sun and the moon, each running for an appointed term. Absolutely, He is the Noble, the Forgiving.
2788 You see the mountains, you think they are solid, while they are passing by like the clouds. The making of God who perfected everything. He is Ever-aware of what you do.
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Thanks for the information rami!
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could there be life outside our planet Earth?
peace
Peace,
Respectfully.Of course. Didn't you see Aliens? brickwall
Sorry, just kidding.There are several theories
we might not recognise it, if we are encountred by them. (Ghost)
They might live outside our sphere.
They might be too big for us to notice them or too small.
They might not want a contact with us, because we are still immature.There are several movies that made a good point to this. Serious movies
Sphere,
Contact,
2001A Space Odyssey,
E.T.The Extra Terrestrial,well, ....
Here's the link
http//www.the-numbers.com/movies/series/ScienceFiction.phpSome writers have given a good idea what would happen, if we actually made contact with possible life in the universe. Independence Day was one bad contact.
The Abyss was the best but i prefer the alternate ending, which i cannot find it anymore on the youtueb, sadly, i don't know why 20th Century Fox didn't like it ....?Peace.
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E.T.The Extra Terrestrial,
E.T. is a great movie, Its old but its great! yes bravo
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There is a very good chance that we have already found life elsewhere but do not recognize it as life because it does not conform to our very limited knowledge of what life is.
yes I agree! Do you think there might be life in europa's Subsurface ocean?
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yes I agree! Do you think there might be life in europa's Subsurface ocean?
There is a very good chance. They have also recently discovered that one of the small moons of Saturn contains vast amounts of water. Just our solar system my be teaming with life, and, if that is so, the universe must be also.
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There is a very good chance. They have also recently discovered that one of the small moons of Saturn contains vast amounts of water. Just our solar system my be teaming with life, and, if that is so, the universe must be also.
When you say that, I feel good! muscle
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But there is a good chance that we will never see life that we can communicate with. We can't even communicate with other life forms on the Earth. (
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But there is a good chance that we will never see life that we can communicate with. We can't even communicate with other life forms on the Earth. (
Peace,
Respectfully.Not entirely true. We here on this forum can communicate and make friends more then people who meet in person, Thank God for that. I have met several members form this forum and spoken to some over the phone and therefore made excellent progress. Thank God.
Peace.
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Peace,
Respectfully.Not entirely true. We here on this forum can communicate and make friends more then people who meet in person, Thank God for that. I have met several members form this forum and spoken to some over the phone and therefore made excellent progress. Thank God.
Peace.
That is human life. We are talking about alien life