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Is the Quran a word of God?

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    No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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    would you kindly show us how and which arabic word you counted exactly 365 times?

    Like I said day. If you knew just the slightest bit of Arabic, you'd know that it is "yawm".
    "Ayyam" (plural - 3 or more) occurs 27 times (number of days in a sidereal month), and "yamaywn" (dual - 2) occurs 3 times; add them together and you have 30. The word "month" occurs 12 times.

    If you really want to be picky and all, here you go

    Below is the complete list of the frequency of the singular word "DAY" (YaWM) in the Quran

    No -----> SuraVerse
    1 ------> 1 4
    2 ------> 28
    3 ------> 248
    4 ------> 262
    5 ------> 285
    6 ------> 2113
    7 ------> 2123
    8 ------> 2126
    9 ------> 2174
    10 ------> 2177
    11 ------> 2212
    12 ------> 2228
    13 ------> 2232
    14 ------> 2249
    15 ------> 2254
    16 ------> 2259
    17 ------> 2259
    18 ------> 2264
    19 ------> 2281
    20 ------> 39
    21 ------> 325
    22 ------> 330
    23 ------> 355
    24 ------> 377
    25 ------> 3106
    26 ------> 3114
    27 ------> 3155
    28 ------> 3161
    29 ------> 3166
    30 ------> 3180
    31 ------> 3185
    32 ------> 3194
    33 ------> 438
    34 ------> 439
    35 ------> 459
    36 ------> 487
    37 ------> 4109
    38 ------> 4136
    39 ------> 4141
    40 ------> 4159
    41 ------> 4162
    42 ------> 53
    43 ------> 53
    44 ------> 55
    45 ------> 514
    46 ------> 536
    47 ------> 564
    48 ------> 569
    49 ------> 5109
    50 ------> 5119
    51 ------> 612
    52 ------> 615
    53 ------> 622
    54 ------> 673
    55 ------> 673
    56 ------> 693
    57 ------> 6128
    58 ------> 6141
    59 ------> 6158
    60 ------> 714
    61 ------> 732
    62 ------> 751
    63 ------> 753
    64 ------> 759
    65 ------> 7163
    66 ------> 7163
    67 ------> 7167
    68 ------> 7172
    69 ------> 841
    70 ------> 841
    71 ------> 848
    72 ------> 93
    73 ------> 918
    74 ------> 919
    75 ------> 925
    76 ------> 929
    77 ------> 935
    78 ------> 936
    79 ------> 944
    80 ------> 945
    81 ------> 977
    82 ------> 999
    83 ------> 9108
    84 ------> 1015
    85 ------> 1028
    86 ------> 1045
    87 ------> 1060
    88 ------> 1092
    89 ------> 1093
    90 ------> 113
    91 ------> 118
    92 ------> 1126
    93 ------> 1143
    94 ------> 1160
    95 ------> 1177
    96 ------> 1184
    97 ------> 1198
    98 ------> 1199
    99 ------> 11103
    100 ------> 11103
    101 ------> 11105
    102 ------> 1254
    103 ------> 1292
    104 ------> 1418
    105 ------> 1431
    106 ------> 1441
    107 ------> 1442
    108 ------> 1444
    109 ------> 1448
    110 ------> 1535
    111 ------> 1536
    112 ------> 1538
    113 ------> 1625
    114 ------> 1627
    115 ------> 1627
    116 ------> 1663
    117 ------> 1680
    118 ------> 1680
    119 ------> 1684
    120 ------> 1689
    121 ------> 1692
    122 ------> 16111
    123 ------> 16124
    124 ------> 1713
    125 ------> 1714
    126 ------> 1752
    127 ------> 1758
    128 ------> 1762
    129 ------> 1771
    130 ------> 1797
    131 ------> 1819
    132 ------> 1819
    133 ------> 1847
    134 ------> 1852
    135 ------> 18105
    136 ------> 1915
    137 ------> 1915
    138 ------> 1915
    139 ------> 1926
    140 ------> 1933
    141 ------> 1933
    142 ------> 1933
    143 ------> 1937
    144 ------> 1938
    145 ------> 1938
    146 ------> 1939
    147 ------> 1985
    148 ------> 1995
    149 ------> 2059
    150 ------> 2064
    151 ------> 20100
    152 ------> 20101
    153 ------> 20102
    154 ------> 20104
    155 ------> 20124
    156 ------> 20126
    157 ------> 2147
    158 ------> 21104
    159 ------> 222
    160 ------> 229
    161 ------> 2217
    162 ------> 2247
    163 ------> 2255
    164 ------> 2269
    165 ------> 2316
    166 ------> 2365
    167 ------> 23100
    168 ------> 23111
    169 ------> 23113
    170 ------> 23113
    171 ------> 242
    172 ------> 2424
    173 ------> 2437
    174 ------> 2464
    175 ------> 2514
    176 ------> 2517
    177 ------> 2522
    178 ------> 2525
    179 ------> 2526
    180 ------> 2527
    181 ------> 2569
    182 ------> 2638
    183 ------> 2682
    184 ------> 2687
    185 ------> 2688
    186 ------> 26135
    187 ------> 26155
    188 ------> 26156
    189 ------> 26189
    190 ------> 26189
    191 ------> 2783
    192 ------> 2787
    193 ------> 2841
    194 ------> 2842
    195 ------> 2861
    196 ------> 2862
    197 ------> 2865
    198 ------> 2871
    199 ------> 2872
    200 ------> 2874
    201 ------> 2913
    202 ------> 2925
    203 ------> 2936
    204 ------> 2955
    205 ------> 3012
    206 ------> 3014
    207 ------> 3043
    208 ------> 3055
    209 ------> 3056
    210 ------> 3056
    211 ------> 3133
    212 ------> 325
    213 ------> 3225
    214 ------> 3229
    215 ------> 3321
    216 ------> 3344
    217 ------> 3366
    218 ------> 3430
    219 ------> 3440
    220 ------> 3442
    221 ------> 3514
    222 ------> 3654
    223 ------> 3655
    224 ------> 3659
    225 ------> 3664
    226 ------> 3665
    227 ------> 3720
    228 ------> 3721
    229 ------> 3726
    230 ------> 37144
    231 ------> 3816
    232 ------> 3826
    233 ------> 3853
    234 ------> 3878
    235 ------> 3879
    236 ------> 3881
    237 ------> 3913
    238 ------> 3915
    239 ------> 3924
    240 ------> 3931
    241 ------> 3947
    242 ------> 3960
    243 ------> 3967
    244 ------> 4015
    245 ------> 4016
    246 ------> 4016
    247 ------> 4017
    248 ------> 4017
    249 ------> 4018
    250 ------> 4027
    251 ------> 4029
    252 ------> 4030
    253 ------> 4032
    254 ------> 4033
    255 ------> 4046
    256 ------> 4049
    257 ------> 4051
    258 ------> 4052
    259 ------> 4119
    260 ------> 4140
    261 ------> 4147
    262 ------> 427
    263 ------> 4245
    264 ------> 4247
    265 ------> 4339
    266 ------> 4365
    267 ------> 4368
    268 ------> 4410
    269 ------> 4416
    270 ------> 4440
    271 ------> 4441
    272 ------> 4517
    273 ------> 4526
    274 ------> 4527
    275 ------> 4528
    276 ------> 4534
    277 ------> 4535
    278 ------> 465
    279 ------> 4620
    280 ------> 4620
    281 ------> 4621
    282 ------> 4634
    283 ------> 4635
    284 ------> 5020
    285 ------> 5022
    286 ------> 5030
    287 ------> 5034
    288 ------> 5041
    289 ------> 5042
    290 ------> 5042
    291 ------> 5044
    292 ------> 5112
    293 ------> 5113
    294 ------> 529
    295 ------> 5213
    296 ------> 5246
    297 ------> 546
    298 ------> 548
    299 ------> 5419
    300 ------> 5448
    301 ------> 5529
    302 ------> 5650
    303 ------> 5656
    304 ------> 5712
    305 ------> 5712
    306 ------> 5713
    307 ------> 5715
    308 ------> 586
    309 ------> 587
    310 ------> 5818
    311 ------> 5822
    312 ------> 603
    313 ------> 606
    314 ------> 629
    315 ------> 649
    316 ------> 649
    317 ------> 649
    318 ------> 652
    319 ------> 667
    320 ------> 668
    321 ------> 6824
    322 ------> 6839
    323 ------> 6842
    324 ------> 6935
    325 ------> 704
    326 ------> 708
    327 ------> 7026
    328 ------> 7043
    329 ------> 7044
    330 ------> 7314
    331 ------> 7317
    332 ------> 749
    333 ------> 7446
    334 ------> 751
    335 ------> 756
    336 ------> 767
    337 ------> 7610
    338 ------> 7611
    339 ------> 7627
    340 ------> 7712
    341 ------> 7713
    342 ------> 7714
    343 ------> 7735
    344 ------> 7738
    345 ------> 7817
    346 ------> 7818
    347 ------> 7838
    348 ------> 7839
    349 ------> 7840
    350 ------> 796
    351 ------> 7935
    352 ------> 7946
    353 ------> 8034
    354 ------> 8215
    355 ------> 8217
    356 ------> 8218
    357 ------> 8219
    358 ------> 835
    359 ------> 836
    360 ------> 8311
    361 ------> 8334
    362 ------> 852
    363 ------> 869
    364 ------> 9014
    365 ------> 1014

    Below is the complete list of the frequency of the plural forms of the word "DAY" (AYyAM, YaWMaYN)

    No -----> SuraVerse
    1 ------> 280
    2 ------> 2184
    3 ------> 2184
    4 ------> 2185
    5 ------> 2196
    6 ------> 2203
    7 ------> 2203
    8 ------> 324
    9 ------> 341
    10 ------> 3140
    11 ------> 589
    12 ------> 754
    13 ------> 103
    14 ------> 10102
    15 ------> 117
    16 ------> 1165
    17 ------> 145
    18 ------> 2228
    19 ------> 2559
    20 ------> 324
    21 ------> 3418
    22 ------> 419
    23 ------> 4110
    24 ------> 4112
    25 ------> 4116
    26 ------> 4514
    27 ------> 5038
    28 ------> 574
    29 ------> 697
    30 ------> 6924

    Below is the complete list of the frequency of the word "SHaHR" (Month)

    No -----> SuraVerse
    1 ------> 2185
    2 ------> 2185
    3 ------> 2194
    4 ------> 2194
    5 ------> 2217
    6 ------> 52
    7 ------> 597
    8 ------> 936
    9 ------> 3412
    10 ------> 3412
    11 ------> 4615
    12 ------> 973

    (List of chapter/verse numbers of the occurences of the words are from http//www.yuksel.org/e/religion/365days.htm)

    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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      Samia
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      Salaam progressive1993

      Why doesn't the word (yawm/day) in a phrase like (your day) count?

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        Because it ceases to be a miracle then Samia .

        How consistent... 2 words for 'days' (ayyam,yawmayn) were chosen. Yet, only one word is okay for 'day'.

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          Because it ceases to be a miracle then Samia .

          I also thought so peace
          And haven't even mentioned "yawma ithin/ that day" ;D

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            you are just jealous! Ulema say, in order to prove quran is God's word its ok to lie!

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              you are just jealous! Ulema say, in order to prove quran is God's word its ok to lie!

              wow

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                and this ratio stays constant all the time?

                4217 God is the One who sent down the book with truth, and the balance. For all that you know, the moment may be very near.

                I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                  Salaam progressive1993

                  Why doesn't the word (yawm/day) in a phrase like (your day) count?

                  I also thought so peace
                  And haven't even mentioned "yawma ithin/ that day" ;D

                  Because it ceases to be a miracle then Samia .

                  How consistent... 2 words for 'days' (ayyam,yawmayn) were chosen. Yet, only one word is okay for 'day'.

                  Only the simple forms were taken - for the singular, the dual and the plural. All of the words "day", "days", "that day", etc. add up to 475 (19 x25) ... coincidence.. )

                  "Shahr" (month) appears 12 times.

                  "And every sign that came to them from their Lord, they turned away from it. They have denied the truth when it came to them. The news will ultimately come to them of what they were mocking." (64-5)

                  I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                    Only the simple forms were taken - for the singular, the dual and the plural. All of the words "day", "days", "that day", etc. add up to 475 (19 x25) ... coincidence..

                    "Shahr" (month) appears 12 times.

                    "And every sign that came to them from their Lord, they turned away from it. They have denied the truth when it came to them. The news will ultimately come to them of what they were mocking." (64-5)

                    No doubt. The Quran contains countless miracles.

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                      Only the simple forms were taken - for the singular, the dual and the plural. All of the words "day", "days", "that day", etc. add up to 475 (19 x25) ... coincidence..

                      "And every sign that came to them from their Lord, they turned away from it. They have denied the truth when it came to them. The news will ultimately come to them of what they were mocking." (64-5)

                      You are starting with a conclusion i.e. 'divisible by 19 in some way'.

                      So, there are 475 days in a year now? Since, 'day, days, etc' add up to a year...

                      Why don't you divide 365 by 19? Wait, that is '19 fail'. So, you/edip had to use 475. This is exactly what I am talking about, there is zero consistency in your approach.

                      64-5 is about al kafireen...

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                        You are starting with a conclusion i.e. 'divisible by 19 in some way'.

                        So, there are 475 days in a year now? Since, 'day, days, etc' add up to a year...

                        Why don't you divide 365 by 19? Wait, that is '19 fail'. So, you/edip had to use 475. This is exactly what I am talking about, there is zero consistency in your approach.

                        Dude, leave the whole 475 issue aside now..why do you INSIST to reject the significance of the 365 days issue? Are you implying that it all happened by chance?

                        7228 So that He knows that they have delivered the messages of their Lord, and He surrounds all that is with them, and He has counted everything in numbers.

                        7 + 2 + 2 + 8 = 19...ooopps..sorry for pointing this out.

                        Do you think God is just using words for the Quran in vain or just for fun?. Due to the fact that I acknowledge all the miracles in the Quran, I am appreciative of every word used in it.

                        1789 We have cited to the people in this Quran of every example, but most of the people refuse to be anything but ingrates (kufooran)!

                        64-5 is about al kafireen...

                        Indeed, it is about them.

                        I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                          7 + 2 + 2 + 8 = 19...ooopps..sorry for pointing this out.

                          Oh now you are adding it up to 19! How consistent... You are like the christians who see jesus/mary in their cereal and bread pudding.

                          I am appreciative of every word used in it.

                          Really? Including 9/128-129? )

                          Indeed, it is about them.

                          Only had i worshiped the number 19, i would've been saved in the eyes of the great progressive1993. Ah, oh well - better luck next time... )

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                            Oh now you are adding it up to 19! How consistent... You are like the christians who see jesus/mary in their cereal and bread pudding.

                            laugh

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                              Oh now you are adding it up to 19! How consistent... You are like the christians who see jesus/mary in their cereal and bread pudding.

                              Really? Including 9/128-129? )

                              Only had i worshiped the number 19, i would've been saved in the eyes of the great progressive1993. Ah, oh well - better luck next time... )

                              I like how you comment on the less important things and avoid the important bits which you cannot answer/refute.

                              I also like the strawman fallacy of 'worshipping 19'.

                              I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                Oh now you are adding it up to 19! How consistent... You are like the christians who see jesus/mary in their cereal and bread pudding.

                                Really? Including 9/128-129?

                                Only had i worshiped the number 19, i would've been saved in the eyes of the great progressive1993. Ah, oh well - better luck next time...

                                And I thought she was in my toast -[ Oh well! laugh

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                                  I like how you comment on the less important things and avoid the important bits which you cannot answer/refute.

                                  Peace

                                  then tell us if the land and sea ratio stays same all the time?

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                                    then tell us if the land and sea ratio stays same all the time?

                                    I have already answered that for you

                                    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                      I like how you comment on the less important things and avoid the important bits which you cannot answer/refute.

                                      Peace

                                      I am done wasting my time.

                                      If you are not going to respond to my points, I don't see why I should respond to yours.

                                      In any case, this thread is not about 19, so let's move on okay?

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                                        No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                        I am done wasting my time.

                                        If you are not going to respond to my points, I don't see why I should respond to yours.

                                        In any case, this thread is not about 19, so let's move on okay?

                                        I'm very sorry for not responding to your posts...
                                        I'm not sure what I didnt answer from your questions. Maybe you should post that again.
                                        This thread is indirectly about code 19, since it proves the Quran's authenticity, as well as the occurences of words like "yawm" - whether you acknowledge or not.

                                        You're right about wasting time - such debates about code 19 dont really lead to anywhere other than wasting time.

                                        Peace

                                        I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                          I have already answered that for you

                                          yes I read it now, that verse you posted says the ratio of land and sea is constant. wow, I didn't know that. Thanks

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