Fish is haram 4 Quran Alone adept according to Sunni Cheikh
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In fact, another verse explains the dead animals and no fish will fit the description. Have you seen a fish gored to death by a bull or goat or fallen from the hill? Obviously, the verse prohibits eating carcass, since they could contain harmful bacteria or poison.
Well, we do not eat live animals. We all eat animals after they are killed by humans. If killing a chicken and eating it is okay, then killing a fish and eating it too should be okay. As it is the case with other animals we should not eat fish that we found dead on their own or by an unknown cause.
Peace
EdipPeace,
Respectfully.This is the common sense that i was tlaking about, yes. Of course, if you mention the common sense and its usage to pagans also known as sunnis, they will forbid you to use it.
Glory be to our God,
Glory be to our God.Peace.
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Salaam Aleykum, Peace to the Forum and Eid Mubarek (Hope I'm not too late! I was told Eid was on Monday (today insh'allah) and there does not seem to be a reliable way of finding out, then again I have not yet found the word Eid in the Qur'an either so am somewhat disillusioned) Sorry for the long greeting.
For a long time now my husband and I have stopped discussing Islam seeing as is always results in arguments, heated debates, sulking and bad feeling. He knows now that if he wants to discuss anything with me, it has to be logical and based on the Qur'an and not on superstition and tradition, and certainly not on "Hadiths" from outside the Qur'an.
Just now we have been reading the Qur'an together and we are both flabbergasted with eath other. We are pointing the sentences out to each other and reading them aloud, me in English, he in Arabic and saying, why don't you get it?! What he is saying is definitely there I CANNOT see, and what I am saying is there HE CANNOT SEE. We are both trying desperately to understand, and Insh'Allah God will guide us both to a correct understanding.
We are looking at 53 and 6116-119, as we are discussing halal meat. He says that it means that the name that-must-not-be-other-than-Allah must be mentioned/invoked/said "AT THE TIME OF SLAUGHTER" And he says it is no good just saying Bismillah before you eat it, because you don't know how it has been killed and whether "Allah" was said at that time.
He even goes so far as to say that EVEN IF HE WAS KILLING THE ANIMAL HIMSELF, WITH A KNIFE, SLITTING ITS THROAT and did not say Bismillah or Allah AT THE TIME OF SLAUGHTER then the whole animal would have to be wasted and not eaten as it would be "haram". Saying Bismillah a 1000 times after it is dead is no good, according to the Imam who explained this to him on the TV.
His mother tongue is Arabic so he reckons it is clear as the day, that it says AT THE TIME OF SLAUGHTER and says that the words in 6118 "Fakuloo mimma thukira ismuAllahi AAalayhi" is the proof and says that it is so important it is repeated again in 6119 "Wama lakum alla ta/kuloo mimmathukira ismu Allahi AAalayhi"
He says that mimma means BEFORE so it means BEFORE the SLAUGHTER... I said maybe it could it mean "before eating it" but he says it is CLEARLY "before the slaughter" and is absolutely adamant and is annoyed with me that for the first time he is coming and discussing Qur'an alone with me and we still end up arguing.
But I cannot see the word Slaughter?! I am desperately trying to and have looked at the 5 different translations on Quranix.com. The only place I found the word "Zabiha" (which he says is the word for slaughter) was in 53 wama thubihaAAala alnnusubi which is "slaughtered on idolatrous altars" (This is his argument "for" and yet my argument "against"!)
He says from now on he will not buy food marked as "Halal" as this could be some kind of political/commercial trick because he thinks it might just be regular meat with a Halal stamp just so they can charge extra (which I am also a skeptic of I must admit), and he now believes he has to see the animal being killed with his own eyes , and hear the name of Allah being said as it is killed. And will not eat the regular supermarket food seeing as he believes that it is "haram" .
So he says he now has no choice but to go vegetarian OR find a place where he can stand and watch the animal being killed, in the "correct" way, which seems very extreme, seeing as we live in the city.
And he has now forbidden me to let our 2 kids eat meat (Which we normally get from the "Halal" Butchers.)
I love chicken and have firmly believed up til now that Allah made it lawful for us, and even would eat chicken that wasn't so-called "zabiha-halal" (as long as I said Bismillah and was grateful whilst eating it) because I didn't believe in "the sword and the prayer at the time of slaughter". But it seems I need to be able to find out how the animal was killed, even if it has the stamp of "halal" which cannot now be trusted ( because we do not know how the animal was killed, and whether the people doing it were worshipping prophets or imams while they did it!)
I know Allah doesn't want us to be wasteful or forbid that which is not forbidden.
You can move this post to another exisiting thread if you like, I have read the other one, it's just this one is more recent.
PS
Apparently, this same imam who was saying the "TIME OF SLAUGHTER" law also said today that we are not allowed to eat things with sharp teeth or claws and birds with hooked beaks or animals that eat meat and certain kinds of fish without scales, and these forbidden types of animals are also in the Qur'an but we could not find them. (examples such as SHARK, DONKEY and LION)I was under the impression that Shark was ok, seeing as it comes from the sea. I do not fancy it anyway.
And also if a mosquito sucks out some of your blood you have to make "Ghusl" (Shower/bathe in a ritual fashion) and Wudu (ablution) before being able to pray.
I need FOOD for thought! Of course I will go now and pray to ALLAH for guidance, for it is he ALONE who can guide us, may He be Glorified!
Peace and blessings to all
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Salam UmAlawi,
My understanding of 6118-121 is that the name of God must be mentioned at the time of slaughter/death.
The wording indicates that the name of God has been (or not been) mentioned by other than the persons being adressed (in a past tense), which rules out the act of the person eating the meat saying the name of God on it.
The issue of God's name has to do not with the act of eating or thanking Him, but has to do with the taking of the animals life and that you are doing such by God's permission/leave, similar to the slaughter that is done in pilgrimage
2236 And the plump livestock, We have made them for you to be among the symbols of God; you will have benefit in them. So mention
the name of God upon them in succession; then, once their sides have become still, you may eat from them and feed with them
the poor and the needy. It was thus that We have made them in service to you, that you may be thankful.
2237 Neither their meat nor their blood reaches God, but what reaches Him is the righteousness from you. It was thus that He made
them in service to you, so that you may glorify God for what He has guided you to, and give news to the good doers.Though, I think by not eating meat with the "Halal" label on it is going too far as you are not required anywhere to actually see or hear the act of slaughter, you only need to know about it. So, if a butcher says that it has been slaughtered this way, then that will suffice (unless it is proven he/she is a liar, then you simply need to change the butcher shop).
Regards,
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peace UmAlawi,
AQ = al quran
He says that mimma means BEFORE so it means BEFORE the SLAUGHTER... I said maybe it could it mean "before eating it" but he says it is CLEARLY "before the slaughter" and is absolutely adamant and is annoyed with me that for the first time he is coming and discussing Qur'an alone with me and we still end up arguing.
"mimma" means "of what" and as fas I'm aware does not mean before. Perhaps he meant since "dhukira" is in the perfect tense, i.e. it is an action done/completed. To refute this point about "mimma" a simple phonetic search of AQ will do, e.g. using the many tools at StudyQuran.org
e.g. 23
Allatheena yuminoona bialghaybi wayuqeemoona alssalata wa mimma razaqnahum yunfiqoona
Who believe in the Unseen, are uphold the bond, and spend of what We have provided for them;Clearly, one does not spend it before he has been given provision!
But I cannot see the word Slaughter?! I am desperately trying to and have looked at the 5 different translations on Quranix.com. The only place I found the word "Zabiha" (which he says is the word for slaughter) was in 53 wama thubihaAAala alnnusubi which is "slaughtered on idolatrous altars" (This is his argument "for" and yet my argument "against"!)
For background reading
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8129.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8443peace Layth,
The wording indicates that the name of God has been (or not been) mentioned by other than the persons being adressed (in a past tense), which rules out the act of the person eating the meat saying the name of God on it.
Can you clarify what exactly in the Arabic implies this? Is it the following
6118
So eat / fa kul - 2nd person plural masculine imperative verb
(is) mentioned / dhukira - 3rd person singular masculine passive perfect verbAlso, if we go by that logic, then is AQ implying the person slaughtering the animal would not be able to eat it? Unless I'm mistaken.
Also, if we consider the catch of the sea, fish are likely dead before we have a chance to mention/remember the name of God upon it. Similar to the situation when the hunting animals, e.g. dogs, catch our food, see 54.
2236-37 seems to imply the name of God should be remembered/mentioned upon them prior to slaughter.
I have not studied this topic in detail, but it seems that if one is in a position to mention/remember prior to slaughter then they should. If one is not in a position to, then mentioning/remembering prior to eating can be done. This topic will likely require further study.
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Peace
I am considering asking the local "halal" butcher if I can visit the place where they get the meat from (presumably the slaughter-house direct), so I can check that they are not slaughtering the animals in a shrine dedicated to prophets/imams. Call me picky!! I just know it would gross me out though. I can't stand blood. Imagine the smell...! I think it would give me nightmares. I have not made my mind up about doing this yet. Insh'Allah, I will be guided to what is correct. I nearly had a panic attack when I had my wisdom tooth out though... yuck
I have seen far too much "Shirk" round here though - The "ring of shirk" as I call it, which is a piece of jewellery in this house with at least 2 other names next to the Name of Allah s.w.t and a necklace in dedication of one of "the 12 infallible imams", and another necklace with loads of other names on it along side the name of Allah s.w.t, and some prayer beads with different names on it... It's scary stuff! There is even something written in Arabic on one of the prayer mats. I do not know what it says so I always try to use the plain one, or fold the writing underneath.
Whenever I see these other names, I say
"Qul inama adu rabbi wa la ushrik bihi a hadha" from Qur'an 7220
Which I believe means
Say "I invoke my Sustainer alone, for I do not ascribe divinity to anyone beside Him."
And I try not to touch the artifices, unless I'm cleaning up and have to move them.Well the main thing is Allah s w t knows what is in my heart, alhamdulillah.
I do wonder though if seeing a "certified Halal" sign is enough though. I mean, isn't this like blindly accepting that the sign is true and correct? Don't we have to use our eyes and hearing to check things if we are in doubt? How far do you go to check something out? Maybe there are levels of checking from 1 extreme to the other
1.Blindly eating whatever food you see
2.Eating any food as long as it is not pork (not worrying about the way the animal was killed)
3.Shopping at a store where you assume the meat is halal
4.Shopping at a store where you see a sign saying Halal
5.Shopping at a store where you can see a sign of Halal with a Certification
6.Asking the store owner if the sign is still in date/still valid
7.Asking the delivery people if they know about how the animals were killed
8.Phoning the Slaughterhouse to ask how it is done
9.Visiting the Slaughterhouse to see how it is done
10.Going to the slaughterhouse to do the slaughter yourself.As we can see, it does go from one extreme to the other, bordering on Paranoia at the top extreme.
And I do believe we should take the middle way so somewhere around #5/6 is looking reasonable, although I think it is still important to know whether anyone else's name is mentioned at the time of slaughter or whether the animal is being sacrificed on idolatrous altars, but cannot think of how I would go about enquiring this. I can imagine the response already, "It's Halal Woman, what more do you need to know?!?!"
Ooh I know, I could buy some live chickens and keep them in the garden?!?! Problem solved!
Peace
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Salam,
Apparently, this same imam who was saying the "TIME OF SLAUGHTER" law also said today that we are not allowed to eat things with sharp teeth or claws and birds with hooked beaks or animals that eat meat and certain kinds of fish without scales, and these forbidden types of animals are also in the Qur'an but we could not find them. (examples such as SHARK, DONKEY and LION)
These restrictions are from the sunna/hadith and not from God's law. There were restrictions made for the Jews as a punishment for their transgression (6146), but that does not concern us.
The items you mentioned are all permissible (if you like that type of food).
16114 So eat from what God has provided you, that which is good and lawful, and be thankful for the blessing of God, if it is indeed He
whom you serve.
16115 He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was sacrificed to any other
than God. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.
16116 And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe ?This is lawful, and that is forbidden;? that you seek to invent lies about
God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.
16117 A small enjoyment, and they will have a painful retribution. -
Peace
Thanks for your comments Brothers Wakas and Layth.
Interestingly, this possible LoopHole has turned up
AQ 593
There is no sin upon those who believe and do good works for what they eat if they are aware and believe and do good work, then they are aware and believe, then they are aware and do good; God loves the good doers.
"Eat" is translated in the present tense in all 5 translations on Quranix.com
however, on the emuslim word-for-word translation, it is showing in the past tense"There is no sin on those
who believe and do good
deeds for what they ate
(in the past) if they (now)
fear Allah and believe
and do good deeds, then
fear Allah and believe,
then (again) fear Allah
and do good; and Allah
loves the good-doers"which seems to make it less of a loophole / get out clause.
http//www.emuslim.com/wordforword/juz7/07-165-171.pdf
What do you make of this? Can it mean both past and present?
And speaking of past tense, in 6118 and 6119 is it "has been pronounced" or "was pronounced"
If it's "has been pronounced" then it seems logical that we have up until we eat it to pronounce it. (It would still be grammatically logical to say that "the name of Allah has been pronounced (by myself)"
If it's "was pronounced" on the other hand, then it seems as though it's referring to an event already happened i.e. the slaughter.
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salam Wakas,
Can you clarify what exactly in the Arabic implies this? Is it the following
6118
So eat / fa kul - 2nd person plural masculine imperative verb
(is) mentioned / dhukira - 3rd person singular masculine passive perfect verbAlso, if we go by that logic, then is AQ implying the person slaughtering the animal would not be able to eat it? Unless I'm mistaken.
No. The indication that I refer to is given in 6121 with the word "lam"
la takulu mima LAM yuthkar ism allah alaih
This indicates that the act of mentioning God's name must be done in the past, before it ever reached the person who is about to eat it. Therefore, that dispells that notion that the name of God can simply be mentioned at any time after the animal is slaughtered to make it permisible.
Also, note that the issue of God's name mentioned at the slaughter is the only option that makes sence when we look at other verses that deal with what foods are lawful or unlawful
55 Today, the good things have been made lawful to you, and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you,
and your food is lawful for them;...Had we simply been required to mention God's name at the time of eating, then there would be no need for the verse above which makes the food prepared by the people of the Book lawful for us - since mentioning the name of God upon slaughter is a command that would be contained in the Scriptures of old.
Also, if we consider the catch of the sea, fish are likely dead before we have a chance to mention/remember the name of God upon it. Similar to the situation when the hunting animals, e.g. dogs, catch our food, see 54.
The catch of the sea is given to us with no restrictions
596 Lawful for you is the catch of the sea, to eat it as enjoyment for you and for those who travel; and unlawful for you is the catch of
the land as long as you are under restriction; and be aware of God to whom you will be gathered.As for what the trained animals catch for us, we are still required to mention God's name upon them as they are taken/collected (mention the name of God upon it)
54 They ask you what was made lawful to them, say ?All the good things have been made lawful for you, and what the trained dogs
and birds catch, you teach them from what God teaches you.? So eat from what they have captured for you and mention the name
of God upon it, and be aware of God. God is swift in reckoning. -
UmAlawi, this is not to intrude on your family or parenting matters. This is only to make you aware of possible consequence of strict vegetarian diet, that B-12 deficiency with dreadful effects could result.
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As far as I'm aware, most just play a tape recording whilst slaughtering is going on.
Peace Brother Wakas
"Most"? Where? in the UK or USA? Or Europe? What is your source of info for that pls?
I found this site
http//www.organic-halal-meat.com/article/stunning.phpThe bit I read was mainly about stunning though.
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UmAlawi, this is not to intrude on your family or parenting matters. This is only to make you aware of possible consequence of strict vegetarian diet, that B-12 deficiency with dreadful effects could result.
Peace Morninglight
thanks very much for your feedback. Sorry to hear about your b12 deficiency. I am giving this subject careful consideration indeed. Inshallah you will get well soon, and the correct guidance will come to me if Allah wills so that my husband and I might agree on a suitable diet for ourselves and our kids. I do not much relish the propect of losing some of the blessings that Allah has bestowed on us in this life, in particular, roast chicken and beef lasagne. -
Hi all,
Fish is haram 4 Quran Alone adept according to Sunni Cheikh Salem Al Amry because of verse 53
Yusuf Ali translation
Forbidden to you (for food) are dead meat, blood the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah, that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows that is impiety. This day have those who reject Faith given up all hope of your religion yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.Please see and comment,
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS9S5uDpma4Thanks
the fish is haram is non sense, he dont know how the hadits/sunna describe that the two blood is halal (fish and locust) . to understanding quran we must completed with hadits as describer of quran. If quranic view is neglected from hadits, the conclusion is meaningless.
crab - is halal said Atha' dan Imam Ahmad.( Al-Mughni 13/344 Ibnu Qudamah and Al-Muhalla 6/84 by Ibnu Hazm).
turtle - is halal as opinion of Abu Hurairah, Thawus, Muhammad bin Ali, Atha', Hasan Al-Bashri dan fuqaha' Madinah. (Al-Mushannaf (5/146) Ibnu Abi Syaibah , Al-Muhalla (6/84).
sea dog - also halal, as opinion of imam Malik, Syafe'i, Laits, Syai'bi dan Al-Auza'i (see Al-Mughni 13/346).himawan
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peace UmAlawi,
Re 593
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3rd person plural masculine perfect verb, i.e. an action done/completed. I think it can be taken as the present perfect tense, hence the translations, but my grammar knowledge is not good. See M.Asad's note.6118 and 6119 are in the perfect tense also.
Re recorded tape.
I either read or watched something about it. It was several years ago so do not recall the source. As far as I'm aware, it was most. Not saying it is wrong, I'm just saying that is what commonly happens as far as I know.peace Layth,
Thanks for the clarification.
In 6121 the verb is imperfect tense, does that make any difference? Which is more accurate according to the Arabic
And do not eat of that which has not been mentioned God's name on it...
OR
And do not eat of that not mentioning God's name on it...Also, it is in the passive form, meaning the subject is receiving the action expressed in the verb, i.e. whatever one is about to eat.
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Peace Layth,
This indicates that the act of mentioning God's name must be done in the past, before it ever reached the person who is about to eat it. Therefore, that dispells that notion that the name of God can simply be mentioned at any time after the animal is slaughtered to make it permisible.
Also, note that the issue of God's name mentioned at the slaughter is the only option that makes sence when we look at other verses that deal with what foods are lawful or unlawful
6145 Say, "I do not find in the revelations given to me any food that is prohibited for any eater except carrion, running blood, the meat of pigs, for it is contaminated, or anything (not just meat) blasphemously dedicated to other than God." If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then your Lord is Forgiver, Merciful.
6118 So eat from that on which God's name has been mentioned, if you indeed acknowledge His signs.
6119 Why should you not eat that on which God's name has been mentioned, when He has sufficiently detailed to you what has been made forbidden; except what you are forced to? Many misguide by their desires without knowledge; your Lord is fully aware of the transgressors.
6121 Do not eat from what God's name has not been mentioned, for it is vile. The devils inspire their supporters to argue with you; and if you obey them, then you have set up partners.
Where do you see 'mention God's name on MEAT' in the above verses?
What happens if you want to eat a cucumber? Do you 'slaughter' it while mentioning God's name?
The thing is that we (each individual) have to mention God's name upon anything that we eat - not just meat. It is not for us to guess if someone else did it for us already.@ himawansutanto
the fish is haram is non sense, he dont know how the hadits/sunna describe that the two blood is halal (fish and locust) . to understanding quran we must completed with hadits as describer of quran. If quranic view is neglected from hadits, the conclusion is meaningless.
6145 Say, "I do not find in what is inspired to me forbidden except that it be already dead, or blood poured forth, or the meat of pig, for it is foul; or what is corruptly dedicated to other than God." Whoever is forced without seeking disobedience or transgression, then your Lord is Forgiving, Compassionate.
6114 "Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this Scripture fully detailed?" Those to whom We have given the Scripture know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
6115 The word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
opinion of Abu Hurairah, Thawus, Muhammad bin Ali, Atha', Hasan Al-Bashri dan fuqaha' Madinah. (Al-Mushannaf (5/146) Ibnu Abi Syaibah , Al-Muhalla (6/84).
Good for Abu Hurayra and his friends.
456 These are God's signs that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His signs do they believe?
6112 We have permitted the enemies of every prophet, human and Jinn devils, to inspire in each other fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.
6113 That is so the hearts of those who do not acknowledge the Hereafter will listen to it, and they will accept it, and they will take of it what they will.
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salam Progressive,
Where do you see 'mention God's name on MEAT' in the above verses?
What happens if you want to eat a cucumber? Do you 'slaughter' it while mentioning God's name?
The thing is that we (each individual) have to mention God's name upon anything that we eat - not just meat. It is not for us to guess if someone else did it for us already.I have never heard this new line of thinking that the subject matter is not even meat!
So, going by this argument, the cucumber, since it is arriving "dead" to your table is forbidden by the law of 6145.
Here is another verse from sura 6 that will perhaps help you keep on track
6138 And they said ?These livestock and crops are reserved, and none shall eat from them except as we please,? by their claims; and
livestock whose backs are unlawful, and livestock over which they do not mention the name of God as an innovation against
Him. He will recompense them for what they invented. -
Peace Layth,
have never heard this new line of thinking that the subject matter is not even meat!
This indicates that the act of mentioning God's name must be done in the past, before it ever reached the person who is about to eat it. Therefore, that dispells that notion that the name of God can simply be mentioned at any time after the animal is slaughtered to make it permisible.
Also, note that the issue of God's name mentioned at the slaughter is the only option that makes sence when we look at other verses that deal with what foods are lawful or unlawful
So, going by this argument, the cucumber, since it is arriving "dead" to your table is forbidden by the law of 6145.
Carrion is prohibited, not dead vegetables (see 53). I don't think that many people eat things that are alive.
Here is another verse from sura 6 that will perhaps help you keep on track
6138 And they said These livestock and crops are reserved, and none shall eat from them except as we please, by their claims; and
livestock whose backs are unlawful, and livestock over which they do not mention the name of God as an innovation against
Him. He will recompense them for what they invented.My point is that 6145, 618-19 and 621 don't talk about mentioning God's name on meat specifically, but on food in general. It says that we are not allowed to eat that on which God's name has not been mentioned (which is to be done by ourselves).
6119 Why should you not eat (anything, not just meat) that on which God's name has been mentioned, when He has sufficiently detailed to you what has been made forbidden; except what you are forced to? Many misguide by their desires without knowledge; your Lord is fully aware of the transgressors.
6121 Do not eat (anything, not just meat) from what God's name has not been mentioned, for it is vile. The devils inspire their supporters to argue with you; and if you obey them, then you have set up partners.
6145 Say, "I do not find in the revelations given to me any food that is prohibited for any eater except carrion, running blood, the meat of pigs, for it is contaminated, or anything (not just meat) blasphemously dedicated to other than God." If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then your Lord is Forgiver, Merciful.
These verses talk about eating food/mentioning God's name on food IN GENERAL, not just meat. That alone shows that mentioning God's name during slaughter is not necessary - it can/should be mentioned before eating.
Peace
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Salam progressive,
Carrion is prohibited, not dead vegetables (see 53). I don't think that many people eat things that are alive.
Carrion? Interesting, I do not find that word anywhere in the Quran (the Arabic is "mayta" which is "that which is dead" - so, by that definiton alone, and using the same logic you used, it can be vegtable or meat or any other organic matter.
But, I guess since you now realize the problem that having anything other than animal in the subject matter will produce you will not be pushing this line of thought any further.
Peace.
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Peace Layth,
Salam progressive,
Carrion? Interesting, I do not find that word anywhere in the Quran (the Arabic is "mayta" which is "that which is dead" - so, by that definiton alone, and using the same logic you used, it can be vegtable or meat or any other organic matter.
Correct, and that is why we have 53 to clarify (giving a definition to "mayta"
53 Forbidden to you is what is already dead, and the blood, the meat of pig, and animals dedicated to other than God. The strangled, killed by a blow, fallen from height, gored, eaten by wild animals except what you managed to rescue, and those slaughtered on altars... Also what you divide through gambling. This is all vile. Today the ingrates have given up from your system, so do not revere them, but revere Me. Today I have perfected your system for you, completed My blessings upon you, and I have accepted peaceful surrenderas the system for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then God is Forgiving, Compassionate.
54 They ask you what was made lawful to them, say, "All the good things have been made lawful for you, and what the trained dogs and birds catch; you teach them from what God teaches you." So eat from what they have captured for you and mention God's name upon it, and be aware of God. God is quick in reckoning.
When dogs or birds catch/kill animals, we cannot (necessarily) mention God's name upon it, that's why we are instructed to do so afterwards.
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UmAlawi,
I just googled it, there are a few mentions of it here and there, e.g.
The other option to slaughter Halal chicken meat is mechanized slaughter. This slaughter is too fast for proper blessing. A solution postulated is to have a tape-recording of the slaughter blessing played while the chickens are slaughtered on the belt. This practice is questionable in terms of being permissible or Halal. Another controversy is the stunning of animals. This is done with a hammer, stun guns, etc. This practice is also not certain to be Halal.
Source.
