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    maxq
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    I would say that the "shahr" in this verse may mean declaration (a version of the original meaning). It's a special night by its own merit that it's better than a 1000 declarations ...
    (and qadr, meaning measure, best reflects the value of this night)

    691
    And they measure not the power of Allah its true measure
    (this is a good verse to show the meaning of "qadr" as "measure&quot.

    better to demonstrate through a derivative... miQDaaR amount/measure

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      nerspi
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      still don't get what's so special about this night...

      what, are things we do then any better then if wee do it day before, day after, any other day/night...?

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        Alen
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        The Power? confused
        Whose translation is this?

        Peace,
        Respectfully.

        I forgot, sorry but this morning from 0200 to fajr salah, i was praying at the mosque with sunnis and they were all crying. I mean, including the imam who had a mike and he even stopped to wipe the tears. I didn't understand but i think he was performing du'a for some poeple like those in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as for the ones in Palestine and Gaza.
        Everybody was crying, it was new to me.

        Peace.

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          Abdun_Nur
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          Salaam nerspi,

          its all based on Surah 97, but it's conventionally translated without using the complete rules of grammar, this is Surah 97 correctly translated,

          http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/112/144/

          people love religion and ritual, while they abandon reason and guidance.

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            afridi220
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            Peace,
            Respectfully.

            I forgot, sorry but this morning from 0200 to fajr salah, i was praying at the mosque with sunnis and they were all crying. I mean, including the imam who had a mike and he even stopped to wipe the tears. I didn't understand but i think he was performing du'a for some poeple like those in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as for the ones in Palestine and Gaza.
            Everybody was crying, it was new to me.

            Peace.

            ;DNothing new a very old drama played on 27th Ramadan to please God so he forgive their sin!

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              muawiya
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              Assalamu 'alaikum

              Regarding Laylat alqadri

              971 Inna anzalnahu fee laylati alqadri

              How do we know hu in the above passage means Quran ?
              Is there any reference?

              Wassalam
              Muawiya

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                afridi220
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                Assalamu 'alaikum

                Regarding Laylat alqadri

                971 Inna anzalnahu fee laylati alqadri

                How do we know hu in the above passage means Quran ?
                Is there any reference?

                Wassalam
                Muawiya

                http//www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=97

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                  hope4
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                  Peace

                  Has anyone stated when this night is using the Quran only? Or are we to accept that this night is the 27th day of ramadan? I am sure Lailat ul Qadr was twice this year. Some people started fasting one day earlier so for them Lailat ul Qadr was on tuesday and for those who started one day after it was a wednesday. What is obvious to me is that if muslims could not agree to this night as being a fixed night of the year then they are intepreting something wrong from some source or another. Do we have two nights, one night or does it matter? Either one population is wrong or both.
                  What I would love to see is a big effort put into archaeology in the middle east to maybe give answers to the falsehood that crept into Islam. Probably wont happen.

                  Peace

                  Hope

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                    Jack
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                    Assalamu 'alaikum

                    Regarding Laylat alqadri

                    971 Inna anzalnahu fee laylati alqadri

                    How do we know hu in the above passage means Quran ?
                    Is there any reference?

                    Wassalam
                    Muawiya

                    Salam,

                    Good thinking...

                    What do you think it refers to, if not al quran?

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                      Samia
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                      better to demonstrate through a derivative... miQDaaR amount/measure

                      Thanks. Good point.

                      Assalamu 'alaikum

                      Regarding Laylat alqadri

                      971 Inna anzalnahu fee laylati alqadri

                      How do we know hu in the above passage means Quran ?
                      Is there any reference?

                      Wassalam
                      Muawiya

                      Reasonable question.
                      What else has God descended?
                      iron 5725
                      garment 726
                      But only qur'aan was given a time period for its descent 185

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                        loli
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                        Salams all

                        Lailat ul Qadr is a night special because it is better that than a thousand months. This is because the angels and spirit(Quran) descended with the "Commands" and it ends till the break of dawn(fajr).
                        The thing is, there is no indication that this shall be an annual event. It has happen in the past and it wont repeat again

                        salam

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                          Ashraf
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                          Lailat ul Qadr is a night special because it is better that than a thousand months. This is because the angels and spirit(Quran) descended with the "Commands" and it ends till the break of dawn(fajr).
                          The thing is, there is no indication that this shall be an annual event. It has happen in the past and it wont repeat again

                          Loli,

                          Seems that this is unique event happen more than 1000 year ago and might not an annual affair. The intensity of brightness of the full moon or other celestial object in conjunction of this night/period is probably 1000 times more powerful than ordinary full moons of other occasions.

                          Example 1
                          "On 22 December, 1999, the two effects combined to produce the brightest full Moon of the century"
                          http//www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Smoon3.htm

                          Example 2
                          "There is no doubt it would have been a truly dazzling sight. In the spring of 1006, people could probably have read manuscripts at midnight by its light."
                          http//www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2003/03/07/800470.htm

                          Probably we can determine the exact year and night when Quran descended. God may leave sign/trace for us to work out

                          As shown by HST (Hubble Space Telescope) crystal clear images, the scientist can now predict better the age of universe, by understanding past "archeological" evidence by measuring the billion light years celestial objects.

                          Peace, Ashraf

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                            mavera
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                            a local researcher here brings this explanation

                            Lailat ul Qadr happened once for our prophet, and passed. At most we can talk of anniversaries.

                            Every person has his / her own Lailat ul Qadr, the night he /she first met with Quran.

                            1000 months is almost the life of a human being.

                            So meeting with the Quran, has more value than spending a whole lifetime without it.

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                              No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                              a local researcher here brings this explanation

                              Lailat ul Qadr happened once for our prophet, and passed. At most we can talk of anniversaries.

                              Every person has his / her own Lailat ul Qadr, the night he /she first met with Quran.

                              1000 months is almost the life of a human being.

                              So meeting with the Quran, has more value than spending a whole lifetime without it.

                              This is a very interesting explanation - first time I heard something like this.

                              But

                              974 The controllers/universal forces (malaikatu) and the divine revelation/knowledge/inspiration (ruh) come down in it by their Lord's leave to carry out every matter.
                              975 It is peaceful until the coming of dawn.

                              Isnt it an annual thing?

                              I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                mavera
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                                he translates 974 using "... come down to inside of the person". he explains 974 as, when a person meets Quran and arranges his /her life accordingly, then "divine revelation/knowledge/inspiration" come down to his /her being / mind / heart and act as a beacon and saves him /her.

                                he explains 975 as, dawn is the enlightment of the person with "divine revelation/knowledge/inspiration". And the "controllers/universal forces" continue their roles until the coming of dawn.

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                                  muawiya
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                                  Peace

                                  http//www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=97

                                  Thanks for the link. The links also refer to http//www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=53 ( 5310)
                                  But the links just said that unspecified pronoun is common in Quran. So we have to guess what it means.

                                  Thanks. Good point.

                                  Reasonable question.
                                  What else has God descended?
                                  iron 5725
                                  garment 726
                                  But only qur'aan was given a time period for its descent 185

                                  water 5668-69

                                  Salam
                                  Muawiya

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