Belief in AlQuran
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Peace,
Muqeen? You mean muttaqeen (Almuttaqiyn)? I don't know about the highest level of Imaan, but yea i agree it surely ranks among the highest. Whether it's Almuttaqiyn or AlmuHsiniyn (or else) which ranks the highest, you'll find their descriptions in AQ intersect with each other. (btw 4914-15 ends with AlSaAdiquwn and i can't find muttaqiyn in them--sure you quoted the right verse number?)
Muqeen is a person who has attained yaqeen/certainty. But you're right, I quoted the ayah in error. It's not 49/14-15. Sorry about that.
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Muqeen is a person who has attained yaqeen/certainty. But you're right, I quoted the ayah in error. It's not 49/14-15. Sorry about that.
Oh i see, i responded wrong then. "Yaqeen is the highest level of Iman..."? That makes more sense to me.
Have you ever heard about the 'three levels of yaqeen' --
ayna'l-yaqeen, Haqqu'l-yaqeen, andilma'l-yaqeen?First ever occurence of the concept yaqiyn (24 ن relates to AlAaHirat and is mentioned in the verse together with 'what have been sent down to you and before you'...
Alyaqiyn 1599, 7447
Haqqu'l-yaqiyn 5695
ilma'l-yaqiyn 1025ayna'l-yaqeen 1027I think it's not about levels but chronological order
ilma'l-yaqiyn -->ayna'l-yaqeen --> Haqqu'l-yaqiyn(certainty by knowledge) --> (certainty by seeing) --> (certainty by experiencing)
And the yaqiyn that we can have in this world is `ilma'l-yaqiyn.
Salaam
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Taqwa is difficult to explain, it is part of iman i guess. Sorry i thought you meant supersede not sure what you mean by superset. I have mixed ideas of what taqwa is. I can?t give you my definite opinion, unless you wanna hear my preconceived notions.
?Pious fear? sounds interesting. I?ll look into it and reply later.
CORRECTION i would say that the set AlNaas intersect the set Allatheena Amanuw.
I?m not sure what you mean here, why can?t ?part? of the nas be the ones who allatheena amanoo. What do you mean?
The questions were more rhetorical not really questions don?t bother about them but anyway will read the link...
Ok the verses show distinctions ?ya ayyuha nas?, ?ya ayuha alathina aminou..? is that what you meant by intersect?
being a mu'miniyn is the first step to be a muttaqiyn. 22-4, 2177 exemplify that (sorry these two are the easiest numbers i could remember, please research)
Ok sorry my bad i misunderstood i was under the impression you thought of them differently, with no links.
It could be that muttaqiyn is indeed the highest level (I too must research far more comprehensively to be sure), but the highest level of what?
Not sure (iman?) plus abdalquran said he misquoted so i got the wrong idea. I?m not sure if Quran makes any clear distinction of higher or lower iman levels through concepts/names. however as far as i know yaqeen means certainty. so it would be assumable that one with yaqeen would have better faith though is such faith an indicator of how great a person is, i don?t think so.
Wouldn't it be more productive to study the actions of each name/concept (of actors in plural form), so we can practice them in real world -- instead of theoretical stuff like 'the highest' of something? Hence why i listed in my previous post, some of the name/concepts of those actors. So we would have a clue on what act we already know and practiced and what act we must still learn and practice.
Sure, I think you will find that these concepts do cross with each other.
I?m interesting in searching things with allatheena amanou and ya ayyuha nas but it?s ok, i?ll start with a search in relation to taqwa/muttaqeen and reply back to this later
salam
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Salaam, Sarah
Taqwa is difficult to explain,
When we try to explain it outside of the Quran, it will be difficult--if not impossible to get to its true meaning. Let's not explain taqwa, the Quran already did that.
Sorry i thought you meant supersede not sure what you mean by superset.
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A is a subset of B and conversely B is a superset of A (source Wikipedia)I?m not sure what you mean here, why can?t ?part? of the nas be the ones who allatheena amanoo. What do you mean?
Ok the verses show distinctions ?ya ayyuha nas?, ?ya ayuha alathina aminou..? is that what you meant by intersect?To say "Annas is part of Allatheena Amanoo" implies that "Annas is a subset of Allatheena Amanoo" (see the pic above), and that would be incorrect. Why? Because some of Annas are indeed part of Allatheena Amanoo, but not all. 28 gave us example, "Of mankind there are people..."
On the other hand, 'Allatheena Amanoo' may include creations other than Annas who believe/Amanoo, if we think of the Quran as revealed not only to mankind (jinnkind?).
If we think of the Quran as revealed only to mankind, then the "Allatheena Amanoo will be subset of Annas".
I took the opinion that Quran is not only revealed to mankind, so in my view, the set 'Allatheena Amanoo' intersect with the set 'Annas'.
Simplest illustration on intersection
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The intersection of two sets is made up of the objects contained in both sets (source Wikipedia)For example, imagine the set B is 'Allatheena Amanoo', set A is 'Annas/mankind'.
"Allatheena Amanoo" among the mankind is represented with the intersection A B.
What about the rest of B (the blue part)? "Allatheena Amanoo" from creations other than mankind (which are also called in the Quran--jinns perhaps)?
The questions were more rhetorical not really questions don?t bother about them but anyway will read the link...
yes i got 'em D
Ok sorry my bad i misunderstood i was under the impression you thought of them differently, with no links.
nothing bad happened. i too misunderstood others often before getting to understand them. Illustration (not per) as above
Not sure (iman?) plus abdalquran said he misquoted so i got the wrong idea. I?m not sure if Quran makes any clear distinction of higher or lower iman levels through concepts/names.
Let us forget the thing about 'higher/lower levels'. Looks like it came from traditions dwelling in theoretical realms. The high/low creates illusion, while learning the concepts, one by one, and practicing it before/while learning the next will bring Understanding.
7518 Then when We read it, then follow its reading
7519 Afterwards, upon Us is its explanationHow many people got too far off into the Quran before making the habit of practicing the beginning (i.e. 22-4) of the Quran? I.e., abandoning the unseen, missing SalaAt, not spending for charity, forgetting the Hereafter... while they have already grasped these concepts?
however as far as i know yaqeen means certainty. so it would be assumable that one with yaqeen would have better faith though is such faith an indicator of how great a person is, i don?t think so.
faith will surely be tested with just the right condition to practice that faith, at least experience told me this. I don't know for sure but maybe yaqeen is a condition where we have unshakable faith/belief. Some may have it in this current life. Some others will only have it in the aftermath where it's too late.
I don't know about indicator, but this is really personal. Maybe we can benchmark ourselves by how quick we go to practicing Aml SaliH when the opportunity comes, and how further we go in performing Aml SaliH. All benchmarks must be in the current -- because we have tendency to change overtime, at least perhaps, until we have yaqeen
1599
And worship your Lord until there comes to you the certainty
worship (verb) ~ A
bud the act of worship ~ibadah
worshipper ~abd (singular),ibad (plural)certainty ~ Alyaqiyn
Remember that we may have yaqeen by knowledge (`ilm Alyaqiyn) in this current life. Sura 102, esp. verse 5
No! If you only knew with knowledge of certainty...
As the
ilm regarding Hereafter can be learned from AlQur'aan, we can haveilm Alyaqiyn by learning Quran verses on Hereafter (not from any other source) and by `ibadah as we're told in 1599.SalaAm.
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Continuing in the set/group view above, let's read 2177, for example in particular
Albirr is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west,
but Albirr is
those who believe in
Allah, and
the Last Day, and
the angels, and
the Book, and
the prophets; and
give wealth, in spite of love for it, to
the families, and
the orphans, and
the poors, and
the wayfarers, and
the beggars, and to
free slaves; and
establish AlSalaat and
give Alzakaat; and
fulfill their promise when they promise; and
are perseverant (AlSabiriyn) in poverty and hardship and during battle.
Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous (Almuttaquwn).There are sets
• Albirr (set of actions?)
• Imaan (set of beliefs? for the action "Aamanuw/believe in"
• people to give (set of targets? for the action of "give to"
• Sabr (set of conditions? in which the action Sabr is performed)
• Alladiyna Sadaquw (set of actors)
• Almuttaquwn (set of actors)
Albirr itself can be interpreted as action, if we read from the opening verse 'Laysa Albirra An tuwalluw wujuwhakum...'. However, the actual wording for the "belief" part in the verse begins with 'man Amana ...' which refers to the actor(s). Furthermore, the supposedly set of actions Albirr includes actors AlSaabiriyn. In the end, these 'man...' is referred to (Uwlaa'ika) as actors Alladiyna Sadaquwn and Almuttaqiyn.
This is why i said previously that the actions and the actors cannot be separated. They form the concepts (i.e., of `ibadah to ALLAH)
Then we can see the 2177 this way
(belief in Allah, belief in the Last Day, belief in the angels, belief in the Book, belief in the prophets) are elements of the set Imaan/mu'miniyn.
(belief in Allah, belief in the Last Day, belief in the angels, belief in the Book, belief in the prophets) are elements of the set Albirr
(belief in Allah, belief in the Last Day, belief in the angels, belief in the Book, belief in the prophets) are elements of the set taqwa/muttaqiyn/muttaquwn.Other than the elements above, the set of taqwa/muttaqiyn/muttaquwn (in this case, also the set Albirr) also includes these elements
(give wealth, A-q-m AlSalaAt, A-t-A AlzakaAt, fulfill their promise when they promise, AlSabr)
2177 'updates' our understanding of taqwa from 22-4
on Imaan, (AlGayb explained?) + what previously unmentioned)
on spending, + info on whom to give wealth to- "zakat"
- fulfill promise
- "AlSabr"
From the beginning of Alqur'aan to the end of 2177, our knowledge of taqwa, Imaan etc is still not "complete", however.
22 This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for Almuttaqiyn -
23-4 ...
221 O mankind, A`bud your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may tattaquwn!
2177 ... wa Uwlaa'ika hum Almuttaquwn.... and so on, until our understanding of Imaan, taqwa -- and all the important concepts -- "completed".
Salaam
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Hey! You trapped me P i would have used Quran to explain it.. my thoughts Taqwa is associated with fear, love and God consciousness. The idea of fear makes me wonder why fear God.. to me taqwa?s associations seem to be more about God consciousness and piety
2237 - taqwa indicates our servitude, our God consciousness.
4717 ? taqwa indicates piety (huddan)I didn?t really find a verse in relation to fear, fear makes me think negative however taqwa is a positive thing. Though i believe it is the root meaning of the word which has the association of fear.
About the verse 221 I think ?pious fear? is an interesting way to put it because a person wants to establish God consciousness and piety yet at the same time one is fearful of falling back and committing error. So, by being conscious of God and cautious of one?s actions we?re simultaneously kinda like on edge of fearing a downfall and working towards good. So taqwa is like a combination.
superset.. thanks for that.
I didn?t say all of nas are part of allatheena aminou but there will be SOME who are.
In terms of jinn, i don?t necessarily believe they?re separate from the human kind but i need to research more on this.. don?t wanna get into it right now.
Sure forget the grades, it?s funny how you mentioned 2177 because i was looking at it before. Those actions indicate the muttaqeen so yeh it explains aspects of taqwa.
? Alladiyna Sadaquw (set of actors)
? Almuttaquwn (set of actors)Correct me if I am wrong in terms of set of actors I think they are addressed to the same people. Because it says ?olaika allathina suddaqo waolaika HUMu almumineen?. They are those who are truthful and they are the muttaqeen??
How many people got too far off into the Quran before making the habit of practicing the beginning (i.e. 22-4) of the Quran? I.e., abandoning the unseen, missing SalaAt, not spending for charity, forgetting the Hereafter... while they have already grasped these concepts
Allahu alem. I can?t focus on others. In this world our deeds benefit ourselves before they benefit others. People have grasped concepts differently, so what you may see may not be what another sees. So it?s hard to judge.
I don't know about indicator, but this is really personal. Maybe we can benchmark ourselves by how quick we go to practicing Aml SaliH when the opportunity comes, and how further we go in performing Aml SaliH. All benchmarks must be in the current -- because we have tendency to change overtime, at least perhaps, until we have yaqeen
I dunno about indicators either, i?m not sure about the benchmark idea. Sometimes opportunities arises but sometimes we are unable to fulfil them for whatever reasons. Though, I guess it?s a way to keep yourself challenged and alert. I like the idea of `ilm elyaqeen, gaining knowledge to be certain to affirm things. Not knowing makes me feel stupid, i hate not knowing but i also hate overwhelming myself.. just makes me procrastinate.
Interesting 1599 translated by Asad indicates yaqeen as death, definitely death is a certainty. A guess a different type of yaqeen.
Salam
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Salam
Salam means peace.
Islam is a derivetive of the same word.
Deen-e-Islam then would mean " A path/journey towards peace "
Muslim then should mean " Group embarking on this journey to peace "Taqwa means " Enabling yourself to gaurd against ". It then depends as to what you want to gaurd yourself against.
AlKitab is then this book of principles which will help you achieve the above goal. Al Qur'Aan is the word most likely meaning " The One I established, with authority ". This would encompass the entire system which has been put together to work in harmony. Hence if we get the guidance from this Book of guidance, we will be part of this system in harmony, and it would make it thus easy for us to embark on this journey to peace and harmony. Hence those following this path would be called in arabic language as Mulims or in English as Group emarked on this journey to peace to maintain the desired harmony in the system established by our Creator.
Salam ( Peace ) to all.
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Taqwa is difficult to explain, it is part of iman i guess. Sorry i thought you meant supersede not sure what you mean by superset. I have mixed ideas of what taqwa is. I can?t give you my definite opinion, unless you wanna hear my preconceived notions.
I would explain it as 'mindfulness' or even 'prudence'. Ittaqa Allah is 'be mindful of Allah'.
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Salaam,
Guys, let's hold ourselves from translating a concept as important as "taqwa". Remember that ALLAH explains taqwa through so many verses in the Quran, and what explanation is better than the explanation of the Author?
Hey! You trapped me
i did not!
i would have used Quran to explain it.. my thoughts Taqwa is associated with fear, love and God consciousness. The idea of fear makes me wonder why fear God.. to me taqwa?s associations seem to be more about God consciousness and piety
I didn?t really find a verse in relation to fear, fear makes me think negative however taqwa is a positive thing. Though i believe it is the root meaning of the word which has the association of fear.
About the verse 221 I think ?pious fear? is an interesting way to put it because a person wants to establish God consciousness and piety yet at the same time one is fearful of falling back and committing error. So, by being conscious of God and cautious of one?s actions we?re simultaneously kinda like on edge of fearing a downfall and working towards good. So taqwa is like a combination.
The possibility of us straying from Sirat'l-mustaqeem is something we're not safe from in this life. The only fear that works in the Quranic sense is indeed the fear to ALLAH. In this sense, fear to anything other than ALLAH is negative, and the fear to ALLAH alone positive. Why? Because everything ALLAH calls us to do is good thing for ourselves. No other fear works this way. Check any ~phobia -- it will obstruct the phobic person from doing any good thing. Fear to other human forces a person to obey that other human instead of ALLAH.
As for those who fear ALLAH alone, every single warning in Alqur'aan will remind a person with taqwa that he or she may experience it if he or she did not continue performing `ibadah to ALLAH. We need this one fear.
Remember that Taqwa includes
• believe (Imaan) in the Quran (as the Book/Message revealed to us), and
• certainty (yaqeen) about the Hereafter.
So if we're looking for verses in relation to fear, we may look at the verses of strong warnings throughout the Quran and be certain that those warnings are TRUE--we're not yet safe from them.
(2237) our taqwa that reaches ALLAH is definitely not something material/physical such as blood or meat
(4717) huda means guidance. notice that in 2237 guidance is also mentioned (hadakum). Those whom ALLAH guides will be given/increased their taqwa. Now the question 'whom ALLAH guides?' should come to mind...NOTE i think it will be better to preserve the original word of -- at least -- the reference word, while studying every occurrence of that reference word in all its form. Only then we can compare all those verses without 'preconceived notions' of the translator(s), which are usually inconsistent anyway.
In this case, the reference word is "taqwa", so preserve words like "taqwa" "Ittaquw (ittaqoo)" "tattaquwn (tattaqoon)" "muttaqiyn (muttaqeen)" "muttaquwn (muttaqoon)" ....
For example, 4717 And those who are guided - He increases them in guidance and gives them their taqwa.
I didn?t say all of nas are part of allatheena aminou but there will be SOME who are.
originally on rep #57 you didn't say SOME and i couldn't assume it (you said "nas are part of".
Then on #62 you said "part of nas ..." which is more accurate in my view.... in terms of set of actors I think they are addressed to the same people. Because it says ?olaika allathina suddaqo waolaika HUMu almumineen?. They are those who are truthful and they are the muttaqeen??
On that single verse yes. On the whole view we need to study more, but it's safe to say that some elements of taqwa/muttaqiyn are also elements of being Sadaquw. I didn't mention it because i wanted to focus on showing the relationship between Imaan and taqwa.
Interesting 1599 translated by Asad indicates yaqeen as death, definitely death is a certainty. A guess a different type of yaqeen.
It is safe to assume, IMO, that`ainal-yaqeen (certainty by seeing) is experienced after death (please read sura 102), and haqqul-yaqeen (sura 56 - ending) happens in the fire of JaHiym, for those who denied and strayed while in this life.
analogy when you're about to buy a house, you can have certainty about its qualities from descriptions and information from the owner of the house whom you trusted, but you can only be more certain if you actually see the house for yourself. Then, finally, you will have the truest certainty when you actually live/dwell in the house.
Salaam
(ed fixed a sentence on 'fear to ALLAH alone'
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Salaam,
Guys, let's hold ourselves from translating a concept as important as "taqwa". Remember that ALLAH explains taqwa through so many verses in the Quran, and what explanation is better than the explanation of the Author?
I agree.
It is therefore best to look at lexicon such as Lanes which is a very hard work done by him, translating and putting all the meanings used, in a chronological order, by the arabs in the classical era and partly in the non classical ea as well. Learning to read and apply the work of Lanes is about the same as going back to the time of classical arabic. This is probably the best in translation of the old classic work we have as a source of reference. Be mindful though, as you will not find all the words "as written in the Qur'Aan", in the lexicon as such, since a lot of words have been joined together in arabic script as we can easily see when reading the AlQur'Aan. Even simple words like AlKitab and AlQur'Aan, have been joined together in the Holy Book, and you will need to look up the meaning of things like even Al, separately. It takes a while to learn, as to how to read this dictionary, but it is doable and it is fabulous. Learning to break the words written in Qur'Aan correctly, as exemplified above, to arrive at all the correct words used in there, is the key to finding the right meanings. -
I agree.
It is therefore best to look at lexicon such as Lanes which is a very hard work done by him, translating and putting all the meanings used, in a chronological order, by the arabs in the classical era and partly in the non classical ea as well. Learning to read and apply the work of Lanes is about the same as going back to the time of classical arabic. This is probably the best in translation of the old classic work we have as a source of reference. Be mindful though, as you will not find all the words "as written in the Qur'Aan", in the lexicon as such, since a lot of words have been joined together in arabic script as we can easily see when reading the AlQur'Aan. Even simple words like AlKitab and AlQur'Aan, have been joined together in the Holy Book, and you will need to look up the meaning of things like even Al, separately. It takes a while to learn, as to how to read this dictionary, but it is doable and it is fabulous. Learning to break the words written in Qur'Aan correctly, as exemplified above, to arrive at all the correct words used in there, is the key to finding the right meanings.While it's very helpful to have lexicon dictionaries as 'general' reference for (Classical) Arabic, the only true reference to get to understand taqwa is Alquran itself (22). And one sure way to gain more understanding is by practicing what is already understood. Can't stress this enough Practice Practice Practice Practice Practice Practice Practice Practice Practice.
Salaam
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Asalamu alaikum
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Taqwa means " Enabling yourself to gaurd against ". It then depends as to what you want to gaurd yourself against.
When you hear the concept ittaqu lah, you don?t think guard yourself against God. You think (well at least i do) follow the rules, be conscious of God or guard yourself against "angering" God. As abdalquran said being ?mindful? of Allah... not exactly guarding and it?s not the same mindful as dhikr.
Yep alkitab has the principles. In certain ways ?muslim? is more of a social/political term. Not all muslims follow the principles of the Quran. I mean unless you believe all these principles were here before it was revealed and Ibrahim followed the exact same thing. The underlying message yes, though the actual Quran?
Though having said that, a muslim could well and truly follow the system/laws of Quran. However, they?d be more than a muslim. I guess i?m not sure if it?s necessary to be labelled other than that but it helps make distinctions or helps one gain closeness by indicating the attributes/actions one does to be closer to God.
San
Ok the possibility of straying against sirat almustaqwwn is what we?re not safe from, that?s the fear. Us not following the right path, the path of goodness and only good and thus by straying we fear the punishment we could receive.
NOTE i think it will be better to preserve the original word of -- at least -- the reference word, while studying every occurrence of that reference word in all its form. Only then we can compare all those verses without 'preconceived notions' of the translator(s), which are usually inconsistent anyway.
Ok but we?re kinda doing that anyway aren?t we? We know it?s original is taqwa and we?re looking at the root..
BTW sorry for not articulating my thoughts clearly.
In regards to 102, I thought the 1022 was in relation to death, how do you see it? I was challenged by this thought before by a friend of mine. Do you think it could be literally visiting the grave?
Plus 1025 makes me think ?if you knew the ?knowledge? of yaqeen? like if they knew yaqeen they would know they would get jahananam. Yet they doubted or had no yaqeen and now they received ?ayn elyaqeen because they see it. Also i don?t think we need
ayn alyaqeen or at least we don't need to worry about it ? (maybe) because we believe in the ghayb and also we are learning or establishing/edlm alyaqeen. What happens after death would be the truth of all certainty 5695...Salam
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Ok but we?re kinda doing that anyway aren?t we? We know it?s original is taqwa and we?re looking at the root..
yes we do, but that (preserving the reference word -- especially when presenting a verse in translation) would also benefit others who read this thread. Just a suggestion though, directed to no one in particular
In regards to 102, I thought the 1022 was in relation to death, how do you see it?
same way you do
I was challenged by this thought before by a friend of mine. Do you think it could be literally visiting the grave?
Isn't death a literal meaning of "visiting the grave"? Still i think a pragmatic approach would be to associate this Sura with death & graveyard. Why? because then everytime we see or hear death or grave, we will be reminded of "yaqeen".
Plus 1025 makes me think ?if you knew the ?knowledge? of yaqeen? like if they knew yaqeen they would know they would get jahananam. Yet they doubted or had no yaqeen and now they received ?ayn elyaqeen because they see it. Also i don?t think we need
ayn alyaqeen or at least we don't need to worry about it ? (maybe) because we believe in the ghayb and also we are learning or establishing/edlm alyaqeen. What happens after death would be the truth of all certainty 5695...Salam
yes That is in line with my understanding. If we count the (very long?) time between death and the Day of Judgement, surely haqqul`yaqeen is after the Day of Judgement, because it seems to happen in the Fire itself... I agree with the text in blue above.
Salaam
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My friend argues what would be the point of yaqeen if it is achieved after death? I think it's a valid point. Think about visiting the grave doesn't it make us certain?
Isn't death a literal meaning of "visiting the grave"? Still i think a pragmatic approach would be to associate this Sura with death & graveyard. Why? because then everytime we see or hear death or grave, we will be reminded of "yaqeen".
Possibly however i'm unsure. visiting the grave can make people more aware/conscious of the inevitable. the yaqeen of death. the eye of certainty through viewing others who have died before?
I tried searching if there is any other word relating to zur/zurtum etc but i found none. maybe my searching is terrible but i found none. i know in everyday language ziyara is associated with visit.
ok i just looked up the root
i found other verses but their meaning isn't visit nor death
Zay-Waw-Ra = visit, visitor, incline towards, he honoured him, falsify/beautify/embellish, lie/untruth, adjust/correct, decline or turn aside from it, determination.
Zurtum (prf. 2nd m. plu.) You visited
Tazaawaru (imp. 3rd. p. f. VI.) She deviates
Zuura (acc. n.)
Zuuru (nom. n) Falsehood; False speech; False
zara vb. (I)
perf. act. 1022
zur n.m. 2230, 254, 2572, 582
tazawara vb. (VI) - impf. act. 1817(just for your reference)
In ways I feel more inclined to believe it is visit...
Salam
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My friend argues what would be the point of yaqeen if it is achieved after death? I think it's a valid point. Think about visiting the grave doesn't it make us certain?
Hence the suggestion -- still it won't be as certain as seeing the Hell for yourself (we will all see it finally) and never as certain as being in the Hell itself.
Yes, for those who don't have yaqeen in this current life, by knowledge, what is the point of having yaqeen after death, indeed? They couldn't escape it anymore...
May ALLAH protects us from His fire.
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CORRECTIONs for my previous example -- grammar and semantic
See, for example, someone who just have believed in Allah and the Last Day and have done nothing else? Is he a mu'min? He is beginning to be a mu'min, i'd say. Is he a muttaqiyn? No, he's not even yet a "complete" mu'min.
Then when he already believed all the concepts needed to be believed to be a mu'min, he is now a mu'min. Is he a muttaqiyn? Not necessarily. He must do the actions of taqwa to be a muttaqiyn.
should be
See, for example, someone who just have believed in Allah and the Last Day and have done nothing else? Is he a mu'min? He is beginning to be a mu'min, i'd say. Is he a muttaqi? He's not even yet a "complete" mu'min.
(He will need belief in ALLAH, the Last Day, AlmalaA'ikat, the Book, and the Prophets before he can do the actions of taqwa consciously for ALLAH)
Then when he already believed all the concepts needed to be believed to be a mu'min, he is now a "complete" mu'min. Is he a muttaqi? Not necessarily yet, but he is beginning to be a muttaqi. He must do all the actions of taqwa to be a "complete" muttaqi.
Sorry for the confusion -- clarified what i meant, hopefully...
Salaam
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Jack
What is jinn firstly? How do you see it? (you can ignore this if you like, read on)
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When children learn for example, they see a cat it has four legs, it has fur. They then see a dog and think ?cat? because it contains the same characteristics of fur + 4 legs but it?s not a cat, we know it?s not because a dog barks a cat doesn?t. so the child accommodates their knowledge to something else and calls it ?cat? then when new knowledge is learnt, they learn ah it barks it must be a ?dog? not a cat because someone identified that for them or they learnt that somehow... so their knowledge assimilates.
Possibly adults are the same in some instances we may identify things as we know it until shown a different meaning.
think about people who believe in superstitions they dunno why but they think ?what if? so they believe them. They dunno what it is or what it exactly means but they believe in them.They believe in them, so what? Are we talking about belief or knowledge? The what-if-game is circular. What if worshipping satan is the right path?
Belief doesn?t have to be logical.
Why not? God will call me to account for my hearing, eyesight and MY MIND 1736, Why believe at all? Anyone can say I believe in x,y,z. Doesn't mean anything... Ibrahim wasn't satisfied by mere iman (2260). He needed evidence, in addition to his iman. God showed him what he needed to see.
And yes iman can be shown through our actions i agree, no it?s not a superficial thing. But let me tell you, I can believe in AlQuran i can believe in the laws i can be a muslim and i can ?choose? to let me desires/wishes/whims control me even though i ?still believe? in the Quran. My actions may not show true reflections of my belief but i could still believe yet my desires/wishes/whims control me or rather i would let them control me however i still believe.
It's about intentions. What about the people who claim to believe in the quran, yet INTENTIONALLY commit evil? Do they REALLY believe in the quran? Again to reiteriate, belief in the quran would be believing in its teachings. Of course, belief is not the best translation for iman and its derivatives anyway (see 5923 Is God the believer/faithful ?!).
You mentioned killing, i could kill someone and feel guilt that i did an evil deed and that i?m going to be punished. I could still believe in Quran and still do bad. I think it would just have a really bad psychological toll.
And what about the people who don't feel guilt, etc? Who think killing is for the greater good, etc? Again it's about intentions.
Besides that, i think people can get an overall idea through translations.
Will the God call people to account for rejecting a translator's rendition of al quran? Are translations al haqq? Al quran is al kitab bil haqq. Not Asad, yusf ali, et al.
438, 6112-113, and 6150 support my position that true iman is shown through one's actions.
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@san, you should study 231-11 to get to understand what Jack probably meant by "synonym"
While Imaan, taqwa, IHsaan are not necessarily synonymous, the "end state" of Almu'minuwn and Almuttaquwn and AlmuHsiniyn might be very similar as the concepts above interact with each other.
@Jack, while i do not agree on the exact word "synonym", is this in line with what you meant?
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Noway dude! Too much to think about it?ll do my head inside out i?ve already put enough on my plate, thanks but if you like you can do it
What i mean is they believe based on what they know ?knowledge? and also what they?re told ?without? understanding. So the idea of them following jinn is well and truly possible even though they dunno what ?jinn? is, get it?
Sure we need and want evidence but not all people do. Think about how many people are blind believers as i said, belief doesn?t need logic. I can believe Paris Hilton is the best thing on earth, i don?t need logic for that. Obviously i don't believe that but just saying sorry lame example but do you get my drift?
It's about intentions. What about the people who claim to believe in the quran, yet INTENTIONALLY commit evil? Do they REALLY believe in the quran? Again to reiteriate, belief in the quran would be believing in its teachings. Of course, belief is not the best translation for iman and its derivatives anyway (see 5923 Is God the believer/faithful ?!).
Well what are you on about.. many people intentionally commit evil, for whatever gain it is they think they may gain. None of us a free from sin/evil.. could all of one persons sins be ?accidental?? it?d like to meet such a person, besides all sins are forgiven except the shirk ones. You can believe its teachings and aim to follow it and still falter but the point is to amend. Those who intentionally sin and continue to intentionally sin and continue to repeat the sin and then act like they don?t care because God forgives, well that?s another story.
Maybe killing is for the greater good Nah seriously i dunno, intentions and actions work hand in hand. I can intend something really good like making someone happy but i could cross the line and commit sins by that process. What is good what is bad? Depends how you want to look at it.
So people reject translators they even reject studies. God can deal with them, it?s not really my concern. Actions matter most definitely i don?t deny that, is one who strives the same as the one who sits? Off course not (495).
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Albirr is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west,
but Albirr is
those who believe inHere Albirr is not being defined. "Albirr is those who believe" looks quite an odd statement.
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It is not virtue that you people turn your faces facing face to face/confronting East and West,
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instead virtue is of that person who believed in Allah, and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book , and the Chosen & Elevated Servants of Allah;
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and he spent wealth for sake of Allah to the relatives, and the orphans, and the destitute, and the wayfarer, and those who seek help, and to get freedom for the slaves/prisoners;
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and he maintained Ass-Sa'laat and paid Az-Zakaa't;
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and they/such are the people who honour their pledges when they have entered into a pledge;
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and they remain coolly perseverant in financial crisis and adversity and in times of poverty/war.
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They are the people who have proved their word as true; and they are the people who are truly cautious, heedful, and mindful avoiding unrestrained conduct.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.02.C.142.htm