I challenge all Quranists.

stranger1990

Hello, I'm a Sunni I challenge all of you to prove one or 2 things to me

1- your sect is the only true one

2- Ahlu Alsunnah Waljammah are false

you can use any time of history, any hadith, anything you want but no mocking, I won't answer anyone mocking.

I hope you accept my challenge and have a nice day.

sarah2505

are you serious?

stranger1990

Also if you want to ask me about anything, I'll be happy to answer them all.

CavemanDoctor

Hello, I'm a Sunni I challenge all of you to prove one or 2 things to me

1- your sect is the only true one

2- Ahlu Alsunnah Waljammah are false

you can use any time of history, any hadith, anything you want but no mocking, I won't answer anyone mocking.

I hope you accept my challenge and have a nice day.

I'll let others answers but I just wanted to point out two things.

I doubt you'll find anyone here call themselves a member of a 'sect.' The fact that you phrased the question that way speaks volumes about your worldview and how you approach the quran.

Second, I find it interesting that you say we can use any time of history, any hadith, etc. and you don't even mention the quran as a possible source to use in response.

Peace and welcome.

stranger1990

I'll let others answers but I just wanted to point out two things.

I doubt you'll find anyone here call themselves a member of a 'sect.' The fact that you phrased the question that way speaks volumes about your worldview and how you approach the quran.

well you call others sects don't you? and you call yourself the true Islam, but you're a very small minority, doesn't that make you a sect? and your movement is pretty new.

Second, I find it interesting that you say we can use any time of history, any hadith, etc. and you don't even mention the quran as a possible source to use in response.

and I meant by history or hadith is to attack me with them, but if you want to use the Qur'an then do as you please, I already said anything.

CavemanDoctor

well you call others sects don't you? and you call yourself the true Islam, but you're a very small minority, doesn't that make you a sect? and your movement is pretty new.

Important distinction others call themselves sects.

stranger1990

Important distinction others call themselves sects.

Yeah but we Don't call ourselves a sect. You see how it works, so we call you a sect.

unknownuser

Peace and greetings stranger,

Hello, I'm a Sunni I challenge all of you to prove one or 2 things to me

1- your sect is the only true one

To borrow from another Deist/Monotheist Thomas Jefferson -- ?I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know?.

There's nothing to prove anyone besides ones own self.

stranger1990

Peace and greetings stranger,

To borrow from another Deist/Monotheist Thomas Jefferson -- ?I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know?.

There's nothing to prove anyone besides ones own self.

Hi, Are you a deist or a Quranist?

stranger1990

I'll ask some questions if anyone could answer them.

Why you mock the submitters and there leader Rashid Kalifha when your sect is a branch of them? You just simply toke the idea from him.

Are Quranists split up? Do you have different doctrines or do you have only one doctrine? Are you united in what you believe?

Can you name the best quranist scholars of all time?

What qualities someone must have to interpret the Qur'an?

sarah2505

Stranger, seriously, your attitude towards faith (as I infer from post 1 and replies 8 and 9) is not one that is conducive to having open ended questions and discussion. I don't think it's possible to have constructive debate unless you think about it from a different angle.

stranger1990

What do you mean by my attitude toward faith? In order to debate I have to know more things about what you believe in.

Edip_Yuksel

Hello, I'm a Sunni I challenge all of you to prove one or 2 things to me

1- your sect is the only true one
2- Ahlu Alsunnah Waljammah are false

you can use any time of history, any hadith, anything you want but no mocking, I won't answer anyone mocking. I hope you accept my challenge and have a nice day.

Mashallah. I command you for your bravery. I accept your challenge. In order to understand which flavor of Ahl Sunnah Wal-Jamaah you are, please answer the attached 45 multiple choice questions. Usually, people do not need to look at a hadith or fiqh books to answer the questions. It usually takes less than 30 minutes to answer.

After you answer the questions, then I will be diagnosing the nature and degree of your problem with the Quran and your aql (reason). Of course, afterwards, I will prescribe some medication. And (the second) of course, you will reject it and qoute the verses asking us to obey the messenger and challenge me how to pray without reading the hearsay collection fabricated 200-300 years after Prophet Muhammad ;D

Theometer or Sectometer

(First conducted on the participants of my lectures at Oxford University in November 3-5, 200

Edip Yuksel

Name _________________________________________________
Email Address __________________________________________
Phone ______________________________________ Age ______
Occupation _____________________________________________
Nationality _____________________________________________
Have you read the Manifesto for Islamic Reform? ______________
Favorite Books/Authors ___________________________________
Your Sect (a) Sunni (b) Shiite (c) Salafi (d) Other (d) No sect
Please put a CIRCLE around the letter of your choice

According to the Quran, which one of these is not and cannot be idolized by people?
a. Prophet Muhammad
b. Desires or Wishful thinking (Hawa)
c. Crowds or peers
d. Ancestors or children
e. Reasoning (Aql)
Which one of these is a true statement?
a. The Quran is not sufficient to guide us; in addition we need Hadith and Sunna.
b. The Quran is not sufficient to guide us; we need Hadith, Sunna and follow the teaching of a Sunni sect.
c. The Quran is not sufficient to guide us; we need Hadith, Sunna and follow the teaching of a Shiite sect.
d. The Quran is not sufficient to guide us; we need Hadith, Sunna, follow the teaching of a sect and join a religious order.
e. The Quran is sufficient to guide us when we understand and follow it through the light of reason.
Which one of these hadiths narrated by Bukhari, Muslim and other "authentic" hadith books, do you think are fabricated
a. Muhammad was illiterate until he died.
b. Muhammad married Aisha at age 54 while she was only 9 or 13 years-old.
c. Muhammad dispatched a gang of fighters (sariyya) to kill a woman poet secretly during night in her home, for criticizing him publicly through her poems.
d. Muhammad slaughtered 400 to 900 Jews belonging to Ben Qurayza for violating the treaty.
e. All of the above.
Which one of these laws or rules does not exist in the Quran?
a. Stone the married adulterers to death
b. Do not play guitar
c. Men should not wear silk and gold
d. Men are superior to women
e. All of the above
The Quran instructs us to follow the messengers. Following the messenger means
a. Follow Hadith and Sunna; Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Hanbal, etc.
b. Follow his Ahl-al-Bayt.
c. Follow hadith, sunna, consensus of sahaba, ijtihad of imams and fatwas of ulama.
d. Follow Muhammad.
e. Follow the message he was sent with, which was Quran alone.
The Quran is God's word, because
a. There are verses of the Quran stating that it is God's word.
b. The Quran is a literary miracle. None can bring a sura like it surpassing its literary qualities.
c. I do not need to have a reason. Reason is not reliable. I have faith in the Quran.
d. The moral teaching of the Quran is the best for individual and humanity.
e. The Quranic signs (aya) do not have internal contradiction nor does it contradict the signs in nature. Besides, it is numerically coded book with an extraordinary mathematical structure integrated with its composition and Arabic language.
Which one of the following is correct for Muhammad
a. Muhammad was the final messenger and prophet.
b. Muhammad had the highest rank above all humans.
c. Muhammad demonstrated many miracles such as splitting the moon, healing the sick, and crippling a child
d. All of the above?
e. Muhammad was a human messenger like other messengers.
In what year he Bukhari started collecting hadith for his hadith collection known as the Sahih Bukhari, the most trusted Sunni hadith collection?
a. During the life of Muhammad in Medina
b. Ten years after Muhammad's death.
c. 130 years after Muhammad's death.
d. 200 years after Muhammad's death
e. 230 years after Muhammad's death.
According to Bukhari himself, he collected the 7,275 hadith among the 700,000 hadiths he collected. If each hadith, together with its isnad (the chain of reporters) and sanad (the text that was attributed to Muhammad) took about half a book page, how many volumes of books with 500 pages would they take to record all those 700,000 hadith allegedly collected by Bukhari?
a. 7 volumes
b. 10 volumes
c. 70 volumes
d. 100 volumes
e. 700 volumes
What are the last statements in the Farewell Sermon (Khutba al-Wida) which was reportedly witnessed by more than 100,000 sahaba, making it by far the most authentic hadith among the thousands of hadiths?
a. I leave you Abu Bakr; you should follow him.
b. I leave you my sahaba; you may follow any of them.
c. I leave you the Quran and Sunna; you should follow both.
d. I leave you the Quran and Ahl-al- Bayt (my family); you should follow them.
e. I leave you the Quran, you should follow it.
According to some "authentic hadith" found in Bukhari and other hadith books, there was a verse instructing muslims to stone the married adulterers to death "Al-shayhu wal-shayhatu iza zanaya farjumuhuma nakalan..." According to hadith reports, what happened to those verses?
a. After the Prophet Muhammad's death, Umayyad governor Marwan burned the pages where those verses were written.
b. Angle Gebrail came down and deleted it from the scripture.
c. Ibni Abbas forgot it yet Abu Hurayra never forgot it.
d. There is no reference to such a verse in any authentic hadith books.
e. After the Prophet Muhammad's death, the skin which the verse was written on was protected under Aisha's bed. A hungry goat ate it. Thus, it was abrogated literally yet kept legally.
According to both Bukhari and Muslim, when Muhammad was in his death bed, he asked his comrades around to bring him a paper and pen to write something for them so that they would not divert from the right path. According to the same "authentic" Sunni hadith books, Omar bin Khattab stopped a sahaba who was hurrying for a paper and pen and said the following "The prophet is sick and has fever. He does not know what he is saying. God's book is sufficient for us." According to the hadith, all the prominent comrades (sahaba) agreed with Omar and Muhammad passed away without writing down his advice. What do you think about this hadith?
a. If it is narrated by both Bukhari and Muslim, then it must be true
b. If it is true, then, Omar and all other Sahaba must have betrayed Muhammad and committed blasphemy.
c. If it is true, then, Omar and all prominent Sahaba were followers of the Quran alone.
d. If it is false then all other hadith too should be rejected.
e. C and D must be true
Do we need to SAY "sallallahu alayhi wasallam" after Muhammad's name?
a. Yes, every time Muhammad is mentioned we have to praise his name.
b. Yes, but we need to say only once in our lifetime.
c. Yes, the more we say the better.
d. Yes, and those who do not say it after Muhammad's name disrespect him and they will not receive his intercession.
e. No, the Quran does not ask us to say anything after Muhammad's name; muslims were asked (salli ala) to support him, as he was also asked to support them (salli alayhim).
What is the correct Testimony (shahada) according to the Quran
a. I bear witness that there is no god but the God and the Quran is God's word.
b. I bear witness that there is no god but the God and Muhammad is His messenger.
c. I bear witness that there is no god but the God and Muhammad is His messenger and His servant.
d. I bear witness that there is no god but the God and Abraham, Jesus, Moses and Muhammad are His messengers.
e. I bear witness that there is no god but the God.
Should Muslims who do not observe daily prayers be beaten in public?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Should Muslims who are caught for consuming alcohol for the fourth time be killed?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Did the prophet give permission to kill women and children in the war?
a. Yes.
b. No.
According to the Quran, are women banned from reading Quran and pray during their menstruation periods?
a. Yes
b. No.
In the daily Sala prayers, do you recite "attahiyyatu lillahi wassalawatu .... as salamu alayka ayyuhannabiyyu wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu"?
a. Yes
b. No
Does the Quran justify taxing Jewish and Christian population under Muslim authority with extra or different taxation called Jizya?
a. Yes
b. No.
Does the Quran instruct women to cover their hair?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Are woman restricted from leading congregational prayers?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Are women mentally and spiritually inferior to men?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Does the Quran restrict women from initiating divorce?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Is polygamy with previously unmarried women allowed?
a. Yes, up to four women.
b. No, polygamy is allowed only with the widows who have orphans.
Do pilgrims need to cast real stones at the devil?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Is the black stone near Kaba holy?
a. Yes.
b. No.
May a muslim own slaves?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Is circumcision a required or encouraged practice in Islam?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Should converts change their names to Arabic names?
a. Yes.
b. No.
How much zaka charity one should give away?
a. 2.5%
b. As much as one can afford, without making themselves needy.
Are those who break their fast during Ramadan before the sunset required to fast 60 consecutive days as a punishment for not completing the day?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Is leadership the right of Quraish tribe?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Is drawing pictures or making three dimensional statutes a sin?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Are there more dietary prohibitions besides pork, carcass, running blood, and animal dedicated to idolized names?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Is displaying Muhammad's name and the names of his closest companions next to God's name in the mosques idol-worship?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Did Muhammad advise some sick people to drink camel urine?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Did Muhammad gauge people's eyes with hot nails?
a. Yes.
b. No.
After following the advice of Moses, did Muhammad, bargain with God about the number of prayers, lowering down from the impossible-to-observe 50 times a day to 5 times a day?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Does Muhammad have the power of intercession?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Was Muhammad sinless?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Did God create the universe for the sake of Muhammad?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Did Muhammad have sexual power of 30 males?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Was Muhammad bewitched by a Jew?
a. Yes.
b. No.
Do some verses of the Quran abrogate other verses?
a. Yes.
b. No.

Peace,
Edip

stranger1990

Sorry Mr.Yuksel but the limited answers are very fixed, most of these answers are not the true answer and I would like to write my own answer rather then choosing only one of 4 answers.

Can you please ask direct questions to me rather then copy a form/survey?

Edip_Yuksel

Why you mock the submitters and there leader Rashid Kalifha when your sect is a branch of them? You just simply toke the idea from him.

Your spelling is no better than your information. First, you assume that we belong to a sect and we are clone of each other like you. It is true that many of those who follow the Quran alone today are directly or indirectly influenced by Rashad Khalifa. Your question is a reflection of your own problem. For instance, I worked with Rashad for about a year together in Masjid Tucson and I criticized him occasionally. I do not mock Submitters, but I find them turning to a cult by idolizing Rashad as Christians did Jesus and Sunnis Muhammad.

Are Quranists split up? Do you have different doctrines or do you have only one doctrine? Are you united in what you believe?

First, I do not call myself Quranist; I call myself peacemaker, submitter to God in peace, or simply muslim. Second, we have our own brains and we do not follow a clergyman blindly like you do. Everyone is responsible for their own judgment and deeds.

Can you name the best quranist scholars of all time?

Muhammad, followed by his supporting sahaba (not the hypocrite and ingrate sahaba), abu hanifa... As for the modern times, I consider Rashad Khalifa to be the best who upheld the Quran alone.

What qualities someone must have to interpret the Qur'an?

We avoid interpreting the Quran; we try to understand the Quran. The qualities are listed in the Quran

Clean heart
Clear mind
Open mind
Accept God as the only source of deen.
Be analytical and have relevant knowledge.
....

Peace,
Edip

Edip_Yuksel

Sorry Mr.Yuksel but the limited answers are very fixed, most of these answers are not the true answer and I would like to write my own answer rather then choosing only one of 4 answers.

I see. No problem. You think that you could escape exposure of your polytheism... We will see.

Can you please ask direct questions to me rather then copy a form/survey?

These are direct questions. I though you were going to answer them.

Peace,
Edip

san

Salaam, stranger1990,

Yeah but we Don't call ourselves a sect. You see how it works, so we call you a sect.

So you call this 'you' a sect because you yourselves are not called a sect by yourself?

Let me guess it's the wa'l jama'ah part ? OK. never mind that. After you filled out the questionnaire Mr Edip Yuksel gave you, please

I'll ask some questions if anyone could answer them.

Why you mock the submitters and there leader Rashid Kalifha when your sect is a branch of them? You just simply toke the idea from him.

Who is this 'you' that 'mocks the submitters and there leader Rashid Kalifha when your sect is a branch of them and just simply toke the idea from him'? I'm quite curious about that myself.

Are Quranists split up? Do you have different doctrines or do you have only one doctrine? Are you united in what you believe?

Split up? You mean as 'to each his own responsibility'? Yes, yes, that is very right.

Doctrines? No doctrines whatsoever as far as i know. There is, however, ONE GOD. This is the statement that unites us best

"LaA Ilaaha Illa ALLAH".

I'm sure you're quite familiar with that.

Can you name the best quranist scholars of all time?

'Of all time?' You mean like, from all time? Since creation of mankind until the last day? I think we will have to wait til the Last Day to answer that. Surely even the most bestest quranist scholar can't guide anyone. ALLAH guides whomever He will.

What qualities someone must have to interpret the Qur'an?

1736 And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the heart - about all those will be questioned.

That is quite clear to me, but let me list it again

The Hearing
The Sight
The Heart

Now if you asked me about those who don't have Hearing or Sight or Heart (if that's possible), then i don't have the answer but this ALLAH guides whomever He will.

Now if you asked me about those who have Hearing and Sight and Heart, and still prefer to be Deafened, Blinded and Heartless... then to ALLAH all return.

Salaam,

stranger1990

Your spelling is no better than your information. First, you assume that we belong to a sect and we are clone of each other like you. It is true that many of those who follow the Quran alone today are directly or indirectly influenced by Rashad Khalifa. Your question is a reflection of your own problem. For instance, I worked with Rashad for about a year together in Masjid Tucson and I criticized him occasionally. I do not mock Submitters, but I find them turning to a cult by idolizing Rashad as Christians did Jesus and Sunnis Muhammad.
First, I do not call myself Quranist; I call myself peacemaker, submitter to God in peace, or simply muslim. Second, we have our own brains and we do not follow a clergyman blindly like you do. Everyone is responsible for their own judgment and deeds.

Muhammad, followed by his supporting sahaba (not the hypocrite and ingrate sahaba), abu hanifa... As for the modern times, I consider Rashad Khalifa to be the best who upheld the Quran alone.
We avoid interpreting the Quran; we try to understand the Quran. The qualities are listed in the Quran

Clean heart
Clear mind
Open mind
Accept God as the only source of deen.
Be analytical and have relevant knowledge.
....

Peace,
Edip

Is Rashid Kalifha a messenger of God?

stranger1990

Sorry Mr.Yuksel but the limited answers are very fixed, most of these answers are not the true answer and I would like to write my own answer rather then choosing only one of 4 answers.

I see. No problem. You think that you could escape exposure of your polytheism... We will see.

These are direct questions. I though you were going to answer them.

Peace,
Edip

instead of throwing at me coped questions with 3-4 options like if I'm in a quiz with limited answers assuming only one is true I asked you to ask me with your own questions

The Quran instructs us to follow the messengers. Following the messenger means
a. Follow Hadith and Sunna; Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Hanbal, etc.
b. Follow his Ahl-al-Bayt.
c. Follow hadith, sunna, consensus of sahaba, ijtihad of imams and fatwas of ulama.
d. Follow Muhammad.
e. Follow the message he was sent with, which was Quran alone.

now that what I mean by fixed answers

unknownuser

Hi, Are you a deist or a Quranist?

Hi, Deist/Monotheist...

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What qualities someone must have to interpret the Qur'an?

Desire to see clearly...

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Then perhaps they will...

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