I challenge all Quranists.
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Narrated 'Ayesha , The Prophet used to kiss her when he was fasting and he would suck her tongue -
?Aisha reported Allah?s Messenger used to kiss (his wives) while fasting and embraced (them) while fasting; but he had the greatest mastery over his desire among you. -
Narrated Aisha ?The Prophet (PBUH) used to kiss and embrace his wives while he was fasting, and he had more power to control his desires than any of you.? (Bukhari, volume three, Hadith number 149).
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peace,
Islam is not a sect - it is the system that God has revealed through the prophets since the term was first coined during the time of Abraham.
Background
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I'm afraid for you in this sect ...
The sects are those that follow and practice what ALLAAH, swt, Has not AUTHORIZED in The Qur'aan. Sects are Sunnis, Shi'ahs, Jews, Christians, and... If you belong to one of these SECTS, you are called a SECTARIAN. Muslims as GOD, Almighty Says in The Qur'aan are only those who follow What GOD Has sent down to us for our guidance. The only GUIDANCE for us MUSLIMS is The Qur'aan ALONE, PERIOD, no ifs, buts, or what not. See verses 543-49 below.
And how do they make you a judge and they have the Taurat wherein is Allah's judgment? Yet they turn back after that, and these are not the believers. 43
Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves (to Allah) judged (matters) for those who were Jews, and the masters of Divine knowledge and the doctors, because they were required to guard (part) of the Book of Allah, and they were witnesses thereof; therefore fear not the people and fear Me, and do not take a small price for My communications; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers. 44
And We prescribed to them in it that life is for life, and eye for eye, and nose for nose, and ear for ear, and tooth for tooth, and (that there is) reprisal in wounds; but he who foregoes it, it shall be an expiation for him; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unjust. 45
And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Mariam, verifying what was before him of the Taurat and We gave him the Injeel in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil). 46
And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.47
And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed; 48
And that you should judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires, and be cautious of them, lest they seduce you from part of what Allah has revealed to you; but if they turn back, then know that Allah desires to afflict them on account of some of their faults; and most surely many of the people are transgressors. 49
According to the above verses, those who follow other that what GOD Has revealed have a lot to answer to Him.
Peace,
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This is a sect, and the true Islam is the Original islam, like sahaba who where learning quran and learning from the prophet. I love Allah, I love prophet muhammad peace be upon him, I love the true muslim people who are following the prophet. As a real muslim, I know that hadiths are true, and I don't call a hadith false just to please my soul, I know that our prophet muhammad is the best creature in this world. And no, prophet muhammad is not death, the prophets are alive (If you have faith and if you are a true muslim you cannot deny that !)! Alhamdulillah I am not in this sect who is trying to confuse muslims. I'm not really into forums, but a friend came to me and said to me Salah I don't pray anymore, I said why ? Because all the hadiths are false ... Stop confusing my people, and be afraid of your god !
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If you look deep in your heart you will find that you are saying that hadith are false just to please your soul !!! As a real muslims I know that hadiths are true and I love prophet muhammad peace be upon him.
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Dear Salah,
The hadiths are satanic and that they will lead those who take them as authority to the wrong side of the fence - but it is your perogative to follow such elements if they please you.
As for love, you should know that we here love God above all else - and that all else (prophets, angels, etc.) are absoluteley nothing in comparison to our Lord, our Master, our Creator - May His name be praised forever.
2165 And from among the people are some who take other than God as equals to Him, they love them as they love God; but those who
believe love God more strongly; and when those who were wicked see the retribution, they will see that all power belongs to God, and that
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Peace salaheddine,
If you are true to your claim as a Muslim, and a follower of the Quran, heed what Allah is saying in it very carefully. Take a deep breath, open your mind and simply acknowledge.
7185 Do they not look at the dominion of heavens and earth, and all that God has created, and perhaps their time is drawing near? In which hadith after this one will they acknowledge?
316 Among the people, there are those who accept baseless hadiths to mislead from the path of God without knowledge, and they take it as entertainment. These will have a humiliating retribution.
456 These are God's signs that We recite to you with truth. So, in which hadith, after God and His signs, do they acknowledge?
Allah is asking you a question. Think carefully about your answer!
6836-38 What is wrong with you, how do you judge? Or do you have another book which you study? In it, you can find what you wish?
May Allah guide us all to the truth.
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This is a sect, and the true Islam is the Original islam, like sahaba who where learning quran and learning from the prophet. I love Allah, I love prophet muhammad peace be upon him, I love the true muslim people who are following the prophet. As a real muslim, I know that hadiths are true, and I don't call a hadith false just to please my soul, I know that our prophet muhammad is the best creature in this world. And no, prophet muhammad is not death, the prophets are alive (If you have faith and if you are a true muslim you cannot deny that !)! Alhamdulillah I am not in this sect who is trying to confuse muslims. I'm not really into forums, but a friend came to me and said to me Salah I don't pray anymore, I said why ? Because all the hadiths are false ... Stop confusing my people, and be afraid of your god !
Highlights are from me.
How about verses 3930,31 below?
Surely you shall die and they (too) shall surely die.
Then surely on the day of resurrection you will contend one with another before your Lord.
Now, according to the verses above, What do you think? Can I confirm that the Prophet, pbuh, is DEAD or you still insist that he is still alive?
And tell your friend that, performing SALAAT/daily contact prayers, has nothing to do withe hadith. SALAAT has been prescribed upon us by ALLAAH, swt, not by hadith.
Peace,
Khalil -
Hadiths are true.
I love God and I love his messenger and I love my muslims people.
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Hadiths are true.
Peace,
So do you believe they are divinely inspired and thus as infallible as the Quran?
If yes, then you must believe Bukhari is a prophet of Allah, and that the Quran is not the only divinely-inspired book in Islam. The problem with this is that it will be contradicting the Quran which claims to be "fully detailed" and contradicting the fact that Prophet Muhammad could not have made laws on his own as per 6938-47, and contradicting the fact that no law-bearing prophet can come after Prophet Muhammad. And probably a plethora of other contradictions too.
If no, then you agree it is prone to contradictions and falsehood, therefore what is the point in associating it with Allah's pure, protected words? What is the point of following anything in it? Why not just follow the only preserved and infallible book of Allah, The Quran?
Please think deeply about it, my friend. Don't just let your emotions guide you - fact is fact.
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Say "Shall we inform you of the greatest losers?"
"Those whose efforts in the worldly life were wasted while they thought they were doing good!"
These are the ones who rejected the revelations of their Lord and His meeting. So their works were in vain, and We will not give them any value on the day of resurrection.May peace be with you.
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Peace,
The problem with this is that it will be contradicting the Quran which claims to be "fully detailed"
If there is a verse telling you to follow another source besides the quran, it always keep the quran detailled; because that verse by telling you to follow this source, is like to make the informations contained in that book in the quran since we have to follow what is there. Making these informations in the quran or in another source by telling you to follow this source is the same.
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Peace,
If there is a verse telling you to follow another source besides the quran, it always keep the quran detailled; because that verse by telling you to follow this source, is like to make the informations contained in that book in the quran since we have to follow what is there. Making these informations in the quran or in another source by telling you to follow this source is the same.
Peace,
Can you please quote me any verse from the Quran in which you feel it says to follow another source as divine guidance?
Also, if you're following another book that has the same things as in the Quran, then what's the point in following it? Is the Quran not the superior book that you will take over the other one? Not to mention if there is a book that has some similar things as the Quran, but then also has some very offensive, degrading and baseless things in it regarding what the Quran says, do you still feel it's wise to hold that book in esteem?
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Can you please quote me any verse from the Quran in which you feel it says to follow another source as divine guidance?
I said If ^^. Well, I'm really not sure at 100% what Obey the messenger means...
Also, if you're following another book that has the same things as in the Quran, then what's the point in following it?
I think that we don't need to follow it.
Is the Quran not the superior book that you will take over the other one?
No since the other book is also a revelation.
Not to mention if there is a book that has some similar things as the Quran, but then also has some very offensive, degrading and baseless things in it regarding what the Quran says, do you still feel it's wise to hold that book in esteem?
Of course no. If you speak about the book of hadiths, please note that Sunni's don't follow all what is in those books (da3if, moutawatir ect...)
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I said If ^^. Well, I'm really not sure at 100% what Obey the messenger means...
Peace,
Well, the question was rhetorical. There are no such verses, therefore no reason to really entertain the idea, right? In terms of "Obey the messenger", there are only two ways one can do this from the time this commandment was decreed with 100% infallibility.
- Receiving information from Prophet Muhammad himself
- Receiving information from a source in which what Prophet Muhammad said and did is recorded in, and it is divinely protected and preserved from the original decree
Number 1 could have only been followed while Prophet Muhammad was alive, and even so, everything of divine guidance he said would have been from The Quran (6938-47). Number 2 can only be from The Quran, as it is the only book Allah has divinely protected and preserved. In it is what Prophet Muhammad said and did. Obeying him is obeying Allah, as he was unable to decree divine commands of his own (6938-47). Hadiths are just hearsay compiled hundreds of years after Prophet Muhammad died, therefore it is susceptible to the mistakes and agendas of humankind. And indeed today MANY contradictions and inconsistencies can be found with them in relating to The Quran.
I think that we don't need to follow it.
Exactly. Anything from hadith that are in agreement with the Quran, one can get from the Quran anyway, therefore the hadith become useless.
No since the other book is also a revelation.
Which other book is a revelation from Allah that is uncorrupted and divinely protected (besides The Quran)?
Of course no. If you speak about the book of hadiths, please note that Sunni's don't follow all what is in those books (da3if, moutawatir ect...)
I am speaking about the hadiths... isn't that the topic at hand? And I have noted that Sunnis do this, hence why I find their religion to be absurd and I do not follow it.
May peace be with you.
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I will leave this satanic forum; there is a lot of fitna in it, Soubhanallah; I will encourage my brothers to do not listen to these people here in this satanic forum who are trying to disturb people in their true religion because THEY WANT YOU TO HATE THE PROPHET (saws). aoudoubilah ! AND YES HADITHS ARE TRUE AND I LOVE MY PROPHET AND HE IS NOT A BARBAR, HE IS THE BEST CREATURE IN THIS WORLD AND HE OBEY TO GOD ON EVERYTHING. Abu Hurayrah reported that Rasool Allah (saws) said ?By Him in whose hand my soul lies, none of you believe until I am more beloved to him than his father and son.? (BUKHAARI Kitaab al Imaan ) .
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I will leave this satanic forum; there is a lot of fitna in it, Soubhanallah; I will encourage my brothers to do not listen to these people here in this satanic forum who are trying to disturb people in their true religion because THEY WANT YOU TO HATE THE PROPHET (saws). aoudoubilah ! AND YES HADITHS ARE TRUE AND I LOVE MY PROPHET AND HE IS NOT A BARBAR, HE IS THE BEST CREATURE IN THIS WORLD AND HE OBEY TO GOD ON EVERYTHING. Abu Hurayrah reported that Rasool Allah (saws) said ?By Him in whose hand my soul lies, none of you believe until I am more beloved to him than his father and son.? (BUKHAARI Kitaab al Imaan ) .
Your argument reflects the strength of the religion you follow. Nothing can stop Sunnism from setting.
May Allah guide you to Islam.
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I will leave this satanic forum; there is a lot of fitna in it, Soubhanallah; I will encourage my brothers to do not listen to these people here in this satanic forum who are trying to disturb people in their true religion because THEY WANT YOU TO HATE THE PROPHET (saws). aoudoubilah ! AND YES HADITHS ARE TRUE AND I LOVE MY PROPHET AND HE IS NOT A BARBAR, HE IS THE BEST CREATURE IN THIS WORLD AND HE OBEY TO GOD ON EVERYTHING. Abu Hurayrah reported that Rasool Allah (saws) said ?By Him in whose hand my soul lies, none of you believe until I am more beloved to him than his father and son.? (BUKHAARI Kitaab al Imaan ) .
Take care, thanks for visiting. may Allah guide us to the truth and increase us in knowledge.
Peace
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Narrated 'Ayesha , The Prophet used to kiss her when he was fasting and he would suck her tongue -
?Aisha reported Allah?s Messenger used to kiss (his wives) while fasting and embraced (them) while fasting; but he had the greatest mastery over his desire among you. -
Narrated Aisha ?The Prophet (PBUH) used to kiss and embrace his wives while he was fasting, and he had more power to control his desires than any of you.? (Bukhari, volume three, Hadith number 149).
Salam,
Looks like the messenger (as they see him) never read the Qur'an. That isnt my messenger.
Thanks for the references
PEACE
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