I challenge all Quranists.
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I'm sorry are you a Muslim? do you believe that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger?
Yes ? as stated...
...reason for posting Qur?an definition (i.e. my beliefs) at the beginning.
24 and those who believe with what was descended to you?
It's clear who "to you" (God bless him) is referring, not present to teach anyone although the examples to follow are ...
12111 In their narration (stories there) had been an example to those of the pure minds/hearts (it) was not an information/speech to be fabricated and but confirmation (to) which (is) between his hands and detailing/explaining/clarifying every thing, and guidance, and mercy to (a) nation believing.
Peace
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instead of throwing at me coped questions with 3-4 options like if I'm in a quiz with limited answers assuming only one is true I asked you to ask me with your own questions
Actually Bro Edip did wrote those questions by himself, so those are his own questions.
Well, if you don't want to be limited by the choices, you can answer anyway you want, btw. I am curious about how you will answer those questions. Would you?
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So Allah says that he sent to the believers a Messenger to TEACH them Al-kitab which is QURAN
why would they need someone to teach them the Quran? I thought Qur'an is clear it doesn't need teaching
Teaching them doesn't mean giving them new information about it. He could have even given them ayaat which explains other ayaat.
And he doesn't only teach Qur'an he also teach wisdom.
Al-hikmah is an aspect of Quran. 17/39 mentions teachings of al-hikmah taught in 17/22-38.
And who is better teacher then Prophet Muhammad ? not me or you or your father or mine or bin Hanbal or Bukhari.
Ok, tell me how you access the teachings of 'Prophet Muhammad'?
that's not a contradiction, means you don't force people to convert into Islam, it doesn't mean Muslims can disbelieve as they like.
Actually, ANYONE can believe or disbelieve as they like
10/99If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!
As for 2/256 which u quoted above, there are no conditions given in the ayah itself. Those conditions were imposed by your mufassireen.
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1- your sect is the only true one
2- Ahlu Alsunnah Waljammah are false
Those who follow The Quran alone are not a sect. In fact, sects have nothing to do with Muhammad and the teachings of God.
3103 Hold firmly to the rope of God, all of you, and do not be divided. Remember God's blessing upon you when you were enemies and He united your hearts, then you became, with His blessing, brothers; and you were on the verge of a pit of fire and He saved you from it. Thus, God clarifies for you His signs, so that you may be guided.
3105 Do not be like those who divided and differed after the proof had come to them. For them is a painful retribution.
6159 Those who have divided their obligation ("deen" and become sects, you have nothing to do with them. Their matter will be with God, then, He will inform them of what they had done.
Who authorized the title "Sunni"? Was it God?
2278 Strive in the cause of God properly. He is the One who has chosen you, and He has made no hardship for you in the obligation ("deen", the creed of your father Abraham; He is the One who named you 'the peaceful' ("al muslimeen" from before as well as in this. So let the messenger be witness over you and you be witness over people. So uphold the bond and bring forth the betterment and hold tight to God, He is your patron. What an excellent patron, and what an excellent supporter.
Muhammad was to follow Abraham. Also, please show us in The Quran where it says that we should follow the sunna/hadiths of Muhammad.
2530 The messenger said, "My Lord, my people have forsaken this reading (quran)."
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Actually Prophet Muhammad forbidden the writing of hadith on his companions(they used to write what he says) he told them not to write what he says until they are finished of writing the whole Qur'an.
and when Prophet Muhammad died, his companions didn't know what to do with his body or where to bury him, Abu Bakr said that he heard him saying all the Prophets are buried where they die.
That is a simple example of using hadith even when it was not recorded yet, ofc you won't believe the story, lets assume the story is true, the Qur'an was not collected anytime before the 3th Khalifa, and that was long time after the Prophet's death. and prophet Muhammad's instructions was to write the whole Qur'an before writing what he says.
Ahh, and that explains away the burning of hadith collections because......... ? Oh wait, it doesn't.
It is a pity you evade the points made, and continue to repeat what you have been told is true, without evidence.
But in any case, I'm interested in this comment of yours "he told them not to write what he says until they are finished of writing the whole Qur'an."
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instead of throwing at me coped questions with 3-4 options like if I'm in a quiz with limited answers assuming only one is true I asked you to ask me with your own questions
now that what I mean by fixed answers
Peace,
So ignore the 3-4 options/ fixed answers and answer the questions any way you like.
Are you saying that the Qur'an is understandable by anyone? not only the one who have enough knowledge in Islam(sharia/Deen) and Arabic language?
In order to understand the Qura'n, you have to have knowledge in Islam? What is the source of that knowledge? I thought knowledge in islam comes from Qura'n. Understand Qura'n=knowledge in Islam.
Or should one fill his head with preconceived notions before opening the book?
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Just to note, the myth of the 'Uthmani rasm' is contradicted by the Quran itself
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80/11-16 tells us that Quran was already in pages and spread far and wide
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15/1 tells us that Quran is a clear kitab/book.
If the Prophet and the sahaba knew of ayaat like these, would they allow Quran to be simply verbal or written on scraps of paper?
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salam stranger1990,
I have a question, do Ahlu Alsunnah Waljammah perform salat the same way that prophet Muhammed PBUH did?elhamdulillah! any doubts?
I got an email and thought you quranists should also get some thawaab, inshaAllah
DONT LET SHAYTAN STOP YOU READ IT!!!
Allah humma salli alaa muhammadeo'waala aali muhammadin kama salaita alaa Ibraaheema wa alaa aali Ibraaheema innaka hameed um majeed. Allah hummabaarik alaa muhammadeo'wa alaa aali muhammadin kamabarakta alaa Ibraaheema wa alaa aali Ibraaheema innaka hameed um majeed.
Send this to at least 20 people. each time someone prays this durood shereef you will get sawaab(blessings) too..inshallah! GO ON AND SEND IT TO OTHERPEOPLE.. SEE IF SHAYTAAN STOPS U
REMEMBERALLAH is always there in your heart and loves you no matter what. ALLAH SAYS "If you deny me in front of your friends, I shall deny you on the day of Judgement" 93% of people wont pass this on.... Will you be one of them? ??? -
elhamdulillah! any doubts?
I got an email and thought you quranists should also get some thawaab, inshaAllah
DONT LET SHAYTAN STOP YOU READ IT!!!
Allah humma salli alaa muhammadeo'waala aali muhammadin kama salaita alaa Ibraaheema wa alaa aali Ibraaheema innaka hameed um majeed. Allah hummabaarik alaa muhammadeo'wa alaa aali muhammadin kamabarakta alaa Ibraaheema wa alaa aali Ibraaheema innaka hameed um majeed.
Send this to at least 20 people. each time someone prays this durood shereef you will get sawaab(blessings) too..inshallah! GO ON AND SEND IT TO OTHERPEOPLE.. SEE IF SHAYTAAN STOPS U
REMEMBERALLAH is always there in your heart and loves you no matter what. ALLAH SAYS "If you deny me in front of your friends, I shall deny you on the day of Judgement" 93% of people wont pass this on.... Will you be one of them? ???Selam RasulHamsa
I would gladly pass it on, if I understood what it says ;D
Peace
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Selam RasulHamsa
I would gladly pass it on, if I understood what it says ;D
Peace
I also don't understand it but we get sawaab(blessings) inshallah!
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I also don't understand it but we get sawaab(blessings) inshallah!
Selam RasulHamsa
After a quick search on the internety thing I got this
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ALLAHUMMA SALLI ALA MUHAMMADIW WA ALA AALI MUHAMMADIN KAMAA SALLAITA ALA IBRAHIMA WA ALA AALI IBRAHIMA INNAKA HAMIDUM MAJID. ALLAHUMMA BAARIK ALA MUHAMMADIW WA ALA AALI MUHAMMADIN KAMAA BAARAKTA ALA IBRAHIMA WA ALA AALI IBRAHIMA INNAKA HAMIDUM MAJID.
"O Allah, let Your Blessings come upon Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, as you have blessed Ibrahim and his family. Truly, You are Praiseworthy and Glorious. Allah, bless Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, as you have blessed Ibrahim and his family. Truly, You are Praiseworthy and Glorious".
Its from Hadith books there are many versions. It has basically come about due to 3356. I need to read more about it to find out if that is what 3356 is asking us to do. The search goes on.
Peace
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This is why we must study the history to trace back what the one Islam is. That, and the Quran itself, which we believe is what has been revealed to The Prophet.
If you can't bring the proof it's alright. Just study the history for your own benefit. Please be careful when making statement on something as important as the "source of Islam".
and how you study it?
Pardon me but i'm not into your challenge. I'm only responding to this
ok
I took that word 'anyone' literally. So let's finish the rest of my response to you
What is Quranists, then? Do you know that "Quranists" may just be a label, a name? Are you accusing this "Quranists" of something you don't know? You didn't say "some of you". In fact, you didn't even say "Quranists" in that specific question -- in the beginning you said "anyone", remember?
why are you going off-topic a lot, the Thread's title is clear.
Then i'm the one who's talking about responsibility. Aren't we responsible for any belief we choose to believe in? What part of "LaA Ilaaha Illa Allah" do you not understand as a belief? I said the one that united us "best", and IMO, there is nothing better to unite muslimin than the belief "LaA Ilaaha Illa Allah".
it's not even an answer to the question.
I did say that and i will repeat it again Surely even the most bestest quranist scholar can't guide anyone. ALLAH guides whomever He will.
I know some names, but i don't see how it would benefit this discussion, so i wouldn't answer that. And you haven't clarified "all time" by the way, but forget about it.
My point is that you must verify for yourself anyone's (including scholars' work on ISLAM against the Quran. If you intend to study their works then you may PM the mods for suggestions.
It's just a question, do you even have scholars or anyone interpret the Qur'an as he likes?
How would you "have enough knowledge in Islam", if you don't study Quran?
Yep that's the point and how you going to study the Qur'an without a teacher who already have enough knowledge to teach you Qur'an, Islam is like science.
The message in Quran, if translated correctly, will be understood by anyone with Hearing, Sight and Heart. Most verses regarding actions of believers are straightforward. However, there are also many cases when the Quran verses is translated inaccurately or taken out of context. That is why we need to study the Quran ourselves and strive in learning and discussion, instead of taking others' interpretation on the Quran as is. The ones who understand the Quranic Arabic have responsibility to explain to those who don't, and those who don't understand it must learn with his best effort and practice it. More understanding will be given after we practiced what we have previously understood.
The Qur'an is a book of guidance for these who already believed. Translations are not Qur'an and never will be, and anyone who thinks he will study Qur'an in English and will be a great scholar is a fool.
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Yes ? as stated...
24 and those who believe with what was descended to you?
It's clear who "to you" (God bless him) is referring, not present to teach anyone although the examples to follow are ...
12111 In their narration (stories there) had been an example to those of the pure minds/hearts (it) was not an information/speech to be fabricated and but confirmation (to) which (is) between his hands and detailing/explaining/clarifying every thing, and guidance, and mercy to (a) nation believing.
Peace
when I asked you if you're a deist or a Quranist you said a deist so I toke this as a none-Muslim.
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Actually Bro Edip did wrote those questions by himself, so those are his own questions.
Well, if you don't want to be limited by the choices, you can answer anyway you want, btw. I am curious about how you will answer those questions. Would you?
When he rephrase the questions at that time I'll be happy to answer them.
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Teaching them doesn't mean giving them new information about it. He could have even given them ayaat which explains other ayaat.
he given them ayaat to explain others? what? he teach them Qur'an because they need him to teach them.Al-hikmah is an aspect of Quran. 17/39 mentions teachings of al-hikmah taught in 17/22-38.
Yeah so Prophet Muhammad teach them not only one but many aspects of Qur'an which indicates that the quran is not interpret by anyone.
Ok, tell me how you access the teachings of 'Prophet Muhammad'?
His saying that were remembered then recorded then collected
Actually, ANYONE can believe or disbelieve as they like
10/99If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!
As for 2/256 which u quoted above, there are no conditions given in the ayah itself. Those conditions were imposed by your mufassireen.
this ayah talks about these who never believed in the first place if you notice at the end of it Allah asks his prophet if he really the one who force people to become believers.
why do you keep avoiding the question regarding your name?
