Can a Husband Drink His Wife's...
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This is an attitude that I very much disagree with in muslims, traditional or hadithistic muslims and as it shows also among quranists to quickly go to bad brass tacks and exact, but "is it forbidden or not". But the revelation start point is that we seek light and knowledge, not that we long to be treated all our life as minors and told unequivocally what to do without room for us to elaborate on anything. Legally, if we are not forbidden to do something theyn we are allwed, but that is the law, mostly human law. But we as we morally go through life are not clinging continually to what is allowed or not, but to what is right and what is not, and for that we have to THINK. So the Quran does not forbid or allow spirits, oh it does much better thanthat, it says, what alcohol does, it gives reasons, now ?where does the Quran say that we should dispise reason and reasoning and that we should decide of our conduct disregarding it?
Now this suckling one's wife, I find monstruous, although I think that since I find it so I would never be objective. But at the very least I think it is something of the intimacy of people. What has been done here to discuss it is very proper, and also proper that nobody has come out with a haram or halal. We should go beyond that childish attitude, although the subject being baby milk, there may be some "contamination".
Good point and i agree to an extent. That's why i think reason heart and logic are to come first, then the Quranic interpretation.
With respect to the milk. Somethings are subjective. The next step to possibly help us in these subjectivist things is the Quran (that is also to an extent subjective) But what's not there means there is nothing to be subjective on. Thus if drinking you wife's milk isn't there, it's either not wrong or it's wrong as in it's a transgression.
I personally dislike the idea greatly. But that's me being subjective. I'm not gonna just say ew that's gross you should'nt do it. It might be gross to me but good to another (not that that i what RA7 is implying) to my understanding he was curious. He may have just wanted to see what it tastes like. That's it.
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are you a crackpot?
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Now the Question is...
- Is Breast Milk ONLY for a Child, and its actually just a really "Active" husband who wants to take it upon himself to have some too?
- Is it "Alright" for a Husband to drink his wife's milk....
- would there also be some sort of Spiritual effect on him?
- Breast milk is MAINLY for a toddler, as toddler cannot eat steaks or pizzas...
- Why not, it is also allright for a man or a woman to drink any human's milk.. as long as it doesn't contains any 'poisoning' substance.
- I doubt it... if drinking some creature's milk will creates a spiritual effects and/or bonding towards that creature, then I most definitely should have felt abundance bonding and/or spiritual effect towards cows... since I drank their milk and I ate their flesh.
Hmm.. come to think of it.... Here betsy!.... (moooo)... please betsy.. marry me!.. be my wife!.... (moooo)
Salam / Peace
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This is a Curious Question I had, because...I cant remember what Breast Milk taste like and after watching a movie about a Weird Mom in England who Breastfeeds her 10 year old Daughtors...I was like eewww.. yuck..But then it got me thinking....
Believe me or not, but I know someone who was breastfed until she was 15 o. Apparently they bonded quite well... too well actually -\
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- Breast milk is MAINLY for a toddler, as toddler cannot eat steaks or pizzas...
- Why not, it is also allright for a man or a woman to drink any human's milk.. as long as it doesn't contains any 'poisoning' substance.
- I doubt it... if drinking some creature's milk will creates a spiritual effects and/or bonding towards that creature, then I most definitely should have felt abundance bonding and/or spiritual effect towards cows... since I drank their milk and I ate their flesh.
Hmm.. come to think of it.... Here betsy!.... (moooo)... please betsy.. marry me!.. be my wife!.... (moooo)
Salam / Peace
I can find you a beautiful moooo laugh
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rotfl You Guys are too funny...
Well, I drink Soy Milk...so ...I guess I am a loser... ??? -[
laugh Anyways, Here is my next Curious Question
At what Age does a Innocent and "Halal" Natural Phenominon such as Breast-Feading...Become something "Haram" and Sexual?
If your Daughtor or Son is 15 years old, I am sorry...But you as a parent are not doing something with good intentions, rather...You are doing it for your own vain lustful and sexual desires. Am I wrong?
Allah gives the Age to about 2years old in the Quran....
Well....Lets hope someones not going to come and refute me on that too, laugh Seems like there are ALWAYS going to be someone making exceptions to the rules...Many of these women who were questioned about this action said..
"Its their RIGHT to decide WHAT AGE they want to STOP breast-feeding. ITS MY BODY, its MY and THEIR CHOICE.One should question this... Really. WHat is the need for a 10 year old being breastfed? Its NOT found in Nature (animal Kingdom) and is not the Mainstream view in Almost any society. (there are some exceptions though but not the majority)
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rotfl You Guys are too funny...
Well, I drink Soy Milk...so ...I guess I am a loser... ??? -[
laugh Anyways, Here is my next Curious Question
At what Age does a Innocent and "Halal" Natural Phenominon such as Breast-Feading...Become something "Haram" and Sexual?
If your Daughtor or Son is 15 years old, I am sorry...But you as a parent are not doing something with good intentions, rather...You are doing it for your own vain lustful and sexual desires. Am I wrong?
Allah gives the Age to about 2years old in the Quran....
Well....Lets hope someones not going to come and refute me on that too, laugh Seems like there are ALWAYS going to be someone making exceptions to the rules...Many of these women who were questioned about this action said..
"Its their RIGHT to decide WHAT AGE they want to STOP breast-feeding. ITS MY BODY, its MY and THEIR CHOICE.One should question this... Really. WHat is the need for a 10 year old being breastfed? Its NOT found in Nature (animal Kingdom) and is not the Mainstream view in Almost any society. (there are some exceptions though but not the majority)
offtopic I know I just changed the subject a little...Cannot believe this women milk will dry in two years in some case may in two months and some women don?t produce much milk at all , I haven?t heard any women producing milk for 10 or 15 years,
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Cannot believe this women milk will dry in two years in some case may in two months and some women don?t produce much milk at all , I haven?t heard any women producing milk for 10 or 15 years,
Can last many years........i didn't know that.
http//answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080503024925AAhdIqu
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Cannot believe this women milk will dry in two years in some case may in two months and some women don?t produce much milk at all , I haven?t heard any women producing milk for 10 or 15 years,
Woman Breastfeeds 8 year-olds. http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqTDigYgypg
One of my Main points I want to think about... is this...
Does Allah Have to Literally, Specifically, Forbid or Allow something, for there to be a common Consnensus that that object is in fact forbidden or at least should be avoided?
Here is an example... To the best of my knowledge RAPE is NOT mentioned in the Quran. So One using twisted Logic would Assume that Rape is therefore "Okay" since its not mentioned.
However, Obviously we would reply that in One Ayat it says "You Cannot Oppress Anyone"...
and in another Ayat it says "You can only have Sexual Relations with your married partner" (i am paraphrasing not quoting).
Therefore, RAPE is in fact indirectly Mentioned because Rape is a cobination of Sexual Transgression, and Oppression.Now, I've heard some say the Punishment of RAPE is the same punishment of Zina..(100 lashes)...now, I dont know Exactly What the Quran says, but I Assume it is Death since it is more serious than simply fornicating. (Oppressed get to Punish/Fight the Oppressor)..
I know this is fftopic, But I am trying to Tie the two Togeather. I am trying to show how You can draw a logical conclusion even though it is not Explicitly, Directly stated in Quran.
Do any of you agree or disagree?
Back to the Topic of Breast-Feeding your Husband....
Can we draw a same conclsuion that you "shouldnt" do it?
Because of two Ayats that Specifically State Who's Milk is Who's.
The Only Counter Argument that One can use, is "Allah didnt Say Breast milk was ""Only"" for babies under 2 years old. But as I have shown this Argument is very Weak. because,
- Allah Gives an AGE of when to stop...(2 years old)
- Allah Says Breast-milk is "FOR" Babies...and Cattle Milk is "FOR" Humans or "You "-(which can only mean an adult, since babies cant read a quran) laugh
So to hang on to your argument because of the absence of that little ""ONLY""....Just isnt that Strong.
I liked the Alcohol Topic with Brother Arnald. Where he States that that "Magical" word isnt always there...and it is the reader that needs to use context clues and Logic to Formulate a conclusion.
WARNING, I HOPE THERE ARE ONLY ADULTS HERE I HAVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE... police police
Take For instance, the Islamic View on Anal Sex. There are Many Muslims Both Quran alone and Traditional Hadith Muslims who Permit the act of Anal Sex, Yet have not pondered at the verses in the Quran before Making a judgment. ...Maybe they just dont want to "Give up" that which pleases them...
If you Take the Whole Quran, WHich Stresses the Importance of Family, and the Scientific Maricale of Procreation (baby making) Revelation, and take the Ayats that Issue Restrictions and Allowence of Sexual Activity, You can Conclude Anal Sex is Forbidden, without Actually being Explicetly Stated.
For instance, You cannot have sex durring a woman's Period...
1)it is to prevent Disease/Infection
and is "Cleaner" "Sanitary" for both of you...2)And Intentionally does not Produce a Child.
(also, could be a hidden Protection, since it is known that in the satanic religions...it is a Magical Ritual to use "Dead" menstral Blood and Seeman...for Anti-Spiritual purposes
Allah Protect us from the accursed devil, and magical craft from the devils helpersSo, Taking the Verse that says Do not Kill your Children for Fear of Poverty, and Taking the Ayat that Also says
Go into your wivesIt would ONLY make Logical Sense, that Anal Sex is Insufficient and a form of Transgression, Since it is one of the Most IF NOT the MOST Dirtiest places on your Body which Releases Toxic Waste, But also is Intentionally used to lead a Male's Seed to an Inevitable/Intentional Death. (Semen are living Organisms)
Therefore IN CONCLUSION,
If we can Conclude ANAL sex is Forbidden and/or should be avoided...in a Male/Female Relationship...Can we Not then Conclude Anal Sex should Also Be forbidden and Avoided in a Male/Male relationship?Since, Sexual Male/Male (Gay) Relationships will Ultimatly lead to Volentary,Inevitable, Intentional Seemen Death?
Which is the same as a Male and a menstrating Woman having sex?
Sorry to Get Graffic... I hope the Moderators dont Ban me.. lol... I am just trying to Expound and Think about some things... ! ! ! peace
PEACE/SALAM to All, and please Share your thoughts, Refute, etc...
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Woman Breastfeeds 8 year-olds. http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqTDigYgypg
Take For instance, the Islamic View on Anal Sex. There are Many Muslims Both Quran alone and Traditional Hadith Muslims who Permit the act of Anal Sex, Yet have not pondered at the verses in the Quran before Making a judgment. ...Maybe they just dont want to "Give up" that which pleases them...
If we can Conclude ANAL sex is Forbidden and/or should be avoided...in a Male/Female Relationship...Can we Not then Conclude Anal Sex should Also Be forbidden and Avoided in a Male/Male relationship?
Since, Sexual Male/Male (Gay) Relationships will Ultimatly lead to Volentary,Inevitable, Intentional Seemen Death?
PEACE/SALAM to All, and please Share your thoughts, Refute, etc...
-RA
Please read 2222 and 2223 it si very clear police
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Please read 2222 and 2223 it si very clear police
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Your wives are a farm for you; so come to your farm as-and-when you please, and take steps for yourselves. And revere Allah; and know that you are going to meet Him. And give glad tidings to the Believers.Your wives are for you to cultivate so go to your cultivation whenever you wish
Main Entry tilth
Pronunciation \tilth
Function noun
Etymology Middle English, from Old English, from tilian to till
Date before 12th century
1 cultivated land tillage
2 the state of aggregation of a soil especially in relation to its suitability for crop growthIt is very Funy how the Translation words are all in Refference to Planting Seeds...
Sustinence, Cultivation, Aggeration, Plantation, Farm, etc...etc...etc...
That would only Prove my point that Sex is Deffinatly a Process of Fertilizing an Egg...I.e. Fertilization of Soil and Seed.
Thus Confirming the verse 2223 Means "ONLY "GOOD/PROPER SEX" not Anal or mentral sex.
Therefore, Homosexual sex and even Heteralsexual anal sex is a NO NO. police
Since, You wouldnt Try to Plant seed in a Garbage Toxic Waste Dump...Would you? laugh
If we agree to This, Then can we come to a Conclusion that BreastMilk is Most propbabily only for babies in the same way using the same Logic?
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Does Allah Have to Literally, Specifically, Forbid or Allow something, for there to be a common Consnensus that that object is in fact forbidden or at least should be avoided?
No... we're being blessed with sophisticated brain to do the judgement ourselves..
Based on the PRINCIPLES being laid out explicitly by God.Is there something in the Quran that forbid eating your wife's feces (readshit) ?
Salam / Peace
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No... we're being blessed with sophisticated brain to do the judgement ourselves..
Based on the PRINCIPLES being laid out explicitly by God.Is there something in the Quran that forbid eating your wife's feces (readshit) ?
Salam / Peace
?O ye who believe! Eat of the good things wherewith We have provided you, and render thanks to Allah if it is (indeed) He whom ye worship? (2172).
Notice Eat of the "Good Things.
It takes a Level of Common Sense....
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?O ye who believe! Eat of the good things wherewith We have provided you, and render thanks to Allah if it is (indeed) He whom ye worship? (2172).
Notice Eat of the "Good Things.
It takes a Level of Common Sense....
http//www.associatedcontent.com/article/473223/can_adults_benefit_from_drinking_breast.html
http//www.thegreenparent.co.uk/articles/read/breastmilk-as-miracle-cure/
http//www.bukisa.com/articles/107721_adult-nursing-relationships-and-adult-breastfeeding
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?O ye who believe! Eat of the good things wherewith We have provided you, and render thanks to Allah if it is (indeed) He whom ye worship? (2172).
Notice Eat of the "Good Things.
It takes a Level of Common Sense....
That's my point; people need to use their God-given BRAIN.
Salam / Peace
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Peace
It is an interesting question and I will not throw words around accusing you of some fetishism or whatever because this probably does interest many people who will not speak what they think for fear of what others will think. I have wondered about this too in the past but I do not think God allows for it for the reason that He says
"The birth mothers suckle their children two full years , for those who wish to complete the suckling."
Joe
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Peace
It is an interesting question and I will not throw words around accusing you of some fetishism or whatever because this probably does interest many people who will not speak what they think for fear of what others will think. I have wondered about this too in the past but I do not think God allows for it for the reason that He says
"The birth mothers suckle their children two full years , for those who wish to complete the suckling."
Joe
Thanks Joe, I appreciate your Impute greatly. and appreciate your Respect.
It is NOT a Fetish with me. In fact from my observations....and even in the Hadiths....It seems that Many or actually MOST MEN do interact sometimes with their wive's "Ornaments". So, The Question came to mind...What if they accidentally Drank some when they are getting involved?
This is actually a Hadith that was reported MANY years go.
Then Other similar questions and curiosities arisen from this. As of now, I agree with you and do not think That Breast Milk is For Adult men.
But seriously, Many many men, have thought this same thought too. Maybe they dont want to say it..but the thought has crossed their mind. lol eat
Breast Milk= Age 0-2
Cow Milk = age 3- adult-death
Soy Milk = Me! eat laugh -
peace Joe, all,
Peace
It is an interesting question and I will not throw words around accusing you of some fetishism or whatever because this probably does interest many people who will not speak what they think for fear of what others will think. I have wondered about this too in the past but I do not think God allows for it for the reason that He says
"The birth mothers suckle their children two full years , for those who wish to complete the suckling."
Joe
I do not think that verse can be used or extrapolated to mean mother's milk is not for anyone but children (their own or otherwise). The verse AND its context is clearly discussing rights/responsibilities/guidance in such situations. I would have to see solid evidence showing that such verses can be used/extrapolated in this way, to convince me otherwise. The only way that verse could be used would be to say, that after 2 years it would be ok for others to have some milk, but not before.
From my studies, it is quite clear, that if something is not explicitly forbidden, either by verse or by application of cross-referencing /logic/reason etc, then it is allowed. The only obvious thing to point out is that it is not a right for anyone else to demand such a thing, nor deprive the child of it, and must be by way of mutual consent, like every decision amongst couples in The Quran .
Questions like these often gain attention and interest, and some strange answers, but that is primarily because people do not appreciate the reasoning, flexibility and limits inherent in The Quran. This is the much under rated "hikma" component of the book.
