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did Qur'anists know that the prophet has mentioned them ?

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    Thereformer1
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    Salamun alaikum,

    thereformer - please enlighten us about islam...

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    One day when we were sitting with the Messenger of God there came unto us a man whose clothes were of exceeding whiteness and whose hair was of exceeding blackness; nor were there any signs of travel upon him, although none of us knew him. He sat down knee unto knee opposite the Prophet, upon whose thighs he placed the palms of his hands saying ?O Muhammad, tell me what is the surrender (islam).? The Messenger answered him saying ?the surrender is to testify that there is no god but God and that Muhammad is God?s Messenger, to perform the prayer, bestow the alms, fast Ramadan and make if though canst, the pilgrimage to the Holy House.? He said ?thou hast spoken truly,? and we were amazed that, having questioned him, he should corroborate him. Then he said ?Tell me what is faith (iman).? He answered ?To believe in God and His Angels and His books and His Messengers and the Last Day, and to believe that no good or evil cometh but by his Providence.? ?Thou hast spoken truly,? he said, and then ?Tell me what is excellence (ihsan).? He answered ?To worship God as if thou sawest him, for if thou seest Him not, yet seeth He thee.? ?Thou hast spoken truly,? he said, and then ?tell me of the Hour.? He answered ?The questioned thereof knoweth no better than the questioner.? He said ?Then tell me of its signs.? He answered ?That the slave-girl shall give birth to her mistress; and that those who were but barefoot naked needy herdsmen shall build buildings ever higher and higher.? Then the stranger went away, and I stayed a while after he had gone; and the Prophet said to me ?O Umar, knowest though the questioner, who was he?? I said ?God and His Messenger know best.? He said ?It was Gabriel. He came unto teach you your religion.?

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      nsws1988
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      No, why I should ? I have born Muslim and I thank God because of that.

      Really? I didn't know it was genetic.

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        Mazhar
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        One day when we were sitting with the Messenger of God there came unto us a man whose clothes were of exceeding whiteness and whose hair was of exceeding blackness; nor were there any signs of travel upon him, although none of us knew him. He sat down knee unto knee opposite the Prophet, upon whose thighs he placed the palms of his hands saying ?O Muhammad, tell me what is the surrender (islam).? The Messenger answered him saying ?the surrender is to testify that there is no god but God and that Muhammad is God?s Messenger, to perform the prayer, bestow the alms, fast Ramadan and make if though canst, the pilgrimage to the Holy House.? He said ?thou hast spoken truly,? and we were amazed that, having questioned him, he should corroborate him. Then he said ?Tell me what is faith (iman).? He answered ?To believe in God and His Angels and His books and His Messengers and the Last Day, and to believe that no good or evil cometh but by his Providence.? ?Thou hast spoken truly,? he said, and then ?Tell me what is excellence (ihsan).? He answered ?To worship God as if thou sawest him, for if thou seest Him not, yet seeth He thee.? ?Thou hast spoken truly,? he said, and then ?tell me of the Hour.? He answered ?The questioned thereof knoweth no better than the questioner.? He said ?Then tell me of its signs.? He answered ?That the slave-girl shall give birth to her mistress; and that those who were but barefoot naked needy herdsmen shall build buildings ever higher and higher.? Then the stranger went away, and I stayed a while after he had gone; and the Prophet said to me ?O Umar, knowest though the questioner, who was he?? I said ?God and His Messenger know best.? He said ?It was Gabriel. He came unto teach you your religion.?

        Some Munafiq seems to have concocted this falsehood who are jealous of the Exalted status and stature of the Messenger who is exclusively the One who has been assigned the duty and responsibility to guide the humanity, not any Angel. Munafiq will render such stories which indirectly downplay the Exalated Position of the Messenger of Allah.

        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/042.%20Ash%20Shoora/42.52b.gif
        But We have declared it/Grand Qur'aan as The Visible Light-the Sustainer of Life

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        We guide with this Grand Qur'aan anyone from Our created ones whom We inend;

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        and beyond an iota of doubt, you the Messenger are certainly guiding them towards the Straight Path;

        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/042.%20Ash%20Shoora/042.%20E%20Ash%20Shoora.htm

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          BornAgain
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          Salaam,

          I love it that to qualify as a Muslim, one has to testify that there is no god but God AND that Muhammad is His messenger. The first part I wholly agree. But I cannot imagine Muhammad would say, "... and Muhammad is His messenger." nor can I image that Muhammad would say the "shalawat Nabi" when he prayed. I also cannot imagine that the prophets before Muhammad would say the second part of shahada (Well obviously). Hmmm, maybe the prophets before Muhammad was born weren't muslims? That is off course, using the criterion the traditional Muslims use .

          Salaam.

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            nsws1988
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            Salaam,

            I love it that to qualify as a Muslim, one has to testify that there is no god but God AND that Muhammad is His messenger. The first part I wholly agree. But I cannot imagine Muhammad would say, "... and Muhammad is His messenger." nor can I image that Muhammad would say the "shalawat Nabi" when he prayed. I also cannot imagine that the prophets before Muhammad would say the second part of shahada (Well obviously). Hmmm, maybe the prophets before Muhammad was born weren't muslims? That is off course, using the criterion the traditional Muslims use .

            Salaam.

            We're told that prophet Abraham is muslim (367) - I wonder if he said the second part of the shahada

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              BornAgain
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              We're told that prophet Abraham is muslim (367) - I wonder if he said the second part of the shahada

              And we're told that Abraham told his offsprings to embrace Islam all their lives (2132). I wonder if they said the second part of shahada? Or if they performed the "sunnah of Muhammad".

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                Mazhar
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                Salaam,

                I love it that to qualify as a Muslim, one has to testify that there is no god but God AND that Muhammad is His messenger. The first part I wholly agree. But I cannot imagine Muhammad would say, "... and Muhammad is His messenger." nor can I image that Muhammad would say the "shalawat Nabi" when he prayed. I also cannot imagine that the prophets before Muhammad would say the second part of shahada (Well obviously). Hmmm, maybe the prophets before Muhammad was born weren't muslims? That is off course, using the criterion the traditional Muslims use .

                Salaam.

                http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/Temp%2001%207.158.gif
                You, the Messenger pronounce;
                http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/temp%2014%20%204.170b.gif
                "Listen O you the Mankind;

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                I am the Messenger of Allah towards you people all collectively;

                http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/007.%20Al%20Airaaf%20N.htm

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                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/Temp%2001%207.158.gif
                  You, the Messenger pronounce;
                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/temp%2014%20%204.170b.gif
                  "Listen O you the Mankind;

                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/Temp%2001%207.158b.gif
                  I am the Messenger of Allah towards you people all collectively;

                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/007.%20Al%20Airaaf/007.%20Al%20Airaaf%20N.htm

                  was he talking to the whole mankind or to his people who could possibly understand him whatever he was saying? hmm

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                    Mazhar
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                    He was sent to convey to everyone who is living

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                    so that he may warn/revive from slumber/admonish the one who is living/alive

                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/036.%20Ya%20Seen/036.%20E%20Ya%20Seen.htm

                    He cannot make the "dead" listen him,

                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/035.%20Fatir/35.22b.gif
                    but/and you the Messenger cannot make those hear who are in the graves ,

                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/035.%20Fatir/035.%20B%20Fatir.htm

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                      Thereformer1
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                      Salaam,
                      I love it that to qualify as a Muslim, one has to testify that there is no god but God AND that Muhammad is His messenger. The first part I wholly agree. But I cannot imagine Muhammad would say, "... and Muhammad is His messenger." nor can I image that Muhammad would say the "shalawat Nabi" when he prayed. I also cannot imagine that the prophets before Muhammad would say the second part of shahada (Well obviously). Hmmm, maybe the prophets before Muhammad was born weren't muslims? That is off course, using the criterion the traditional Muslims use .
                      Salaam.

                      well, the prophet has testified to himself that he is the messenger of God, if you have any problem with that, you're not Muslim and Muslims are away from your evil spirit. Yes the prophet said that he is the messenger of God and he said everything about himself , that's what you can't stand or better your soul can't stand, God has made the name of the prophet side by side to his name, you have a problem with that go do like this brickwall .

                      we are not talking about before neither about today, the imoprtant thing is that we born Muslim.

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                        He was sent to convey to everyone who is living

                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/036.%20Ya%20Seen/36.70.gif
                        so that he may warn/revive from slumber/admonish the one who is living/alive

                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/036.%20Ya%20Seen/036.%20E%20Ya%20Seen.htm

                        He cannot make the "dead" listen him,

                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/035.%20Fatir/35.22b.gif
                        but/and you the Messenger cannot make those hear who are in the graves ,

                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/035.%20Fatir/035.%20B%20Fatir.htm

                        convey to every one living among his people or all over the world? did he ever visited e.g india to convey the messsage? hmm

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                          Thereformer1
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                          Really? I didn't know it was genetic.

                          I've said before that really you don't know nothing, better for you just readddddddddddd and make people suggest.

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                            Thereformer1
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                            convey to every one living among his people or all over the world? did he ever visited e.g india to convey the messsage? hmm

                            Rasul Hamsa don't bother yourself with Mazhar, he can't even understand the verses and they like to decorate it instead of understand it.

                            by the way he takes the verses from free mind translations which wrong.

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                              Thereformer1
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                              convey to every one living among his people or all over the world? did he ever visited e.g india to convey the messsage? hmm

                              RasulHamsa don't bother yourself with Mazhar, he likes to decorate verses instead of understand them in the first place.

                              andby the way the verses that he gave you are from free-mind translation, which is usually wrong translation.

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                                Rasul Hamsa don't bother yourself with Mazhar, he can't even understand the verses and they like to decor it instead of understand it.

                                by the way he takes te verses from free mind translations which wrong.

                                ok brother, thanks for the advice.

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                                  Thereformer1
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                                  And we're told that Abraham told his offsprings to embrace Islam all their lives (2132). I wonder if they said the second part of shahada? Or if they performed the "sunnah of Muhammad".

                                  this was before the coming of the prophet so they are released from it but what you don't know they were practicing the Sunnah of Abraham which typically the same as Sunnah of the prophet peace be upon him.

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    convey to every one living among his people or all over the world? did he ever visited e.g india to convey the messsage? hmm

                                    Have you received the Grand Qur'aan? If having recived the Qur'aan yet one thinks he is not being admonished by the Messenger through Qur'aan, and does not listen his words then believe me that one is already dead.

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                                    And this Qur'aan has been communicated to me so that I admonish/awaken you the living people with this and to admonish/awaken the one whom this Qur'aan reached". ;

                                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/006.%20Al%20Anaam%20A.htm

                                    And if one thinks that he is neither included amongst "An Naas" nor is he included in "Kum", as stated In Qur'aan, then amongst whom he places himself?

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      http//andby the way the verses that he gave you are from free-mind translation, which is usually wrong translation.

                                      Match a translation of a single verse so far quoted with the translation of Free Mind, if you are truthful in what you say merely with mouth?

                                      And if you are truly a born Arab, please point out omission in the translation posted of the words of Qur'aan!!!

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                                        Have you received the Grand Qur'aan? If having recived the Qur'aan yet one thinks he is not being admonished by the Messenger through Qur'aan, and does not listen his words then believe me that one is already dead.

                                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.019k.gif
                                        And this Qur'aan has been communicated to me so that I admonish/awaken you the living people with this and to admonish/awaken the one whom this Qur'aan reached". ;

                                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/006.%20Al%20Anaam%20A.htm

                                        And if one thinks that he is neither included amongst "An Naas" nor is he included in "Kum", as stated In Qur'aan, then amongst whom he places himself?

                                        he is the warner for each and every person among his nation whom quran reached or warner to all over the world and hence the question that did he ever visit e.g india to covey his message in a plain easy to understand local language?

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                                          Mazhar
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                                          he is the warner for each and every person among his nation whom quran reached or warner to all over the world and hence the question that did he ever visit e.g india to covey his message in a plain easy to understand local language?

                                          Now Allah is telling this to him
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                                          And We have not sent you, except as guarantor/giver of glad tidings and awakener/admonisher for the whole of living humanity
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                                          but most of the people they do not accept it/intend to recognize this fact.

                                          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/034.%20Saba/034.%20B%20Saba.htm

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