The meaning of the word وَيُقيمونَ

[SAbboushi]

"" depends in the movement of the ""

Can you refer me to somewhere that I can understand what you mean? I don't know anything about ""

[SAbboushi]

Wanted to make few comment on root's content consonants. The weak letters are three. These are same as long vowels. Alif, Ya and Waw. These can be interchanged based upon more for convinence in utterances.

Badar - can you please clarify
Is this a general statement you are making (i.e. not specific to the roots I am examining in this thread)?

Are you saying that of the 28 Arabic letters, there are 3 weak letters which are Alif, Ya and Waw. Are you saying that when these weak letters are used in a root word, that these letters can be swapped for one another when one writes the ROOT word?

[SAbboushi]

That is NOT Root but is a word. Root means consonants in certain sequence, Root is
Words from this Root in the Grand Qur'aanTotal occurrences 660

My database shows 659 occurences. Can you please cite your source. I would like to compare the Sura/Aya/Word#s to account for the difference.

Interestingly, Omar states that "The root with its above forms has been used in the Holy Qur'an about 560 times" re Q?ma on p. 474

[Mazhar]

My database shows 659 occurences. Can you please cite your source. I would like to compare the Sura/Aya/Word#s to account for the difference.

Interestingly, Omar states that "The root with its above forms has been used in the Holy Qur'an about 560 times" re Q?ma on p. 474

Pl just paste your database in sequence, I will InshaAllah tell you the missing 660th one.

[SAbboushi]

the root is >>>>>> and the source is

Omar's Dictionary tells me the root is Q?ma
But then below this (p. 471), it says

Can you please help me understand what your definition is of root vs. source? What you have identified as "source" ( &#1575 is one of the words(?)/roots(?) that Omar has listed (" &quot in the heading of the "root" I am examining. And I am trying to understand the significance of the words that Omar lists in the Headings of each root entry.

[SAbboushi]

Lane does not deal with Perception of Roots.

Can you please clarify what you mean by this?

[SAbboushi]

Pl just paste your database in sequence, I will InshaAllah tell you the missing 660th one.

Thanks for your offer

| 1 | 163 | 5558 | 87238 | 128719 | 23235 | 351412 | 50143

| 2 | 234 | 55810 | 9517 | 1211018 | 23237 | 351825 | 51258

| 3 | 22013 | 56433 | 9616 | 1211122 | 23246 | 35296 | 51325

| 4 | 2431 | 5663 | 9716 | 13323 | 232814 | 35354 | 51454

| 5 | 2544 | 56723 | 9718 | 13426 | 23334 | 3643 | 51461

| 6 | 2545 | 5688 | 9113 | 13714 | 23417 | 3662 | 51467

| 7 | 2604 | 56829 | 91112 | 131117 | 234417 | 36198 | 51535

| 8 | 2674 | 57713 | 9133 | 131125 | 23466 | 36208 | 52327

| 9 | 28319 | 58415 | 91410 | 13226 | 23475 | 36266 | 524810

| 10 | 28540 | 5976 | 91810 | 13333 | 23735 | 36284 | 53521

| 11 | 21101 | 51023 | 91923 | 1447 | 23945 | 36615 | 5493

| 12 | 211327 | 51078 | 92110 | 1457 | 231067 | 37309 | 54332

| 13 | 211823 | 51079 | 92432 | 1464 | 243710 | 37854 | 5591

| 14 | 21259 | 510821 | 93621 | 1497 | 244611 | 371152 | 55463

| 15 | 214221 | 61216 | 93730 | 14148 | 24561 | 371183 | 57259

| 16 | 216442 | 63917 | 9397 | 142810 | 25411 | 371243 | 58742

| 17 | 217424 | 6453 | 95311 | 14315 | 251820 | 371645 | 581314

| 18 | 217732 | 64713 | 9569 | 143714 | 25305 | 38123 | 58146

| 19 | 221214 | 6663 | 96816 | 14403 | 25364 | 38132 | 58223

| 20 | 221349 | 66822 | 9707 | 14417 | 25371 | 3997 | 5957

| 21 | 222920 | 6722 | 97011 | 15157 | 25645 | 391514 | 591310

| 22 | 222926 | 67411 | 97111 | 15415 | 25664 | 39247 | 591421

| 23 | 223022 | 67717 | 98024 | 15585 | 256711 | 39314 | 6037

| 24 | 223029 | 67813 | 9849 | 15623 | 25695 | 39392 | 60412

| 25 | 22386 | 6802 | 99613 | 15763 | 25765 | 39408 | 60136

| 26 | 225014 | 6836 | 91082 | 161115 | 26107 | 394225 | 6154

| 27 | 22557 | 6879 | 910814 | 161214 | 26111 | 394717 | 6155

| 28 | 225842 | 68914 | 910926 | 161312 | 26582 | 395214 | 61522

| 29 | 226437 | 69715 | 91155 | 16255 | 26704 | 39602 | 61715

| 30 | 22755 | 69812 | 912217 | 16273 | 261052 | 396710 | 62514

| 31 | 22758 | 69943 | 912719 | 16593 | 261174 | 396821 | 62522

| 32 | 22776 | 61057 | 10522 | 166413 | 261602 | 4053 | 62119

| 33 | 228291 | 61264 | 10613 | 166515 | 2616610 | 40291 | 63617

| 34 | 228648 | 61268 | 101210 | 166714 | 261823 | 40304 | 65213

| 35 | 327 | 613317 | 101316 | 166923 | 262184 | 40313 | 661123

| 36 | 31811 | 61352 | 102442 | 167629 | 2732 | 40321 | 672212

| 37 | 3394 | 614439 | 102511 | 167917 | 271215 | 40384 | 68398

| 38 | 3518 | 614712 | 10609 | 168017 | 271218 | 40391 | 6979

| 39 | 35521 | 61534 | 106714 | 169228 | 27242 | 40411 | 70334

| 40 | 37522 | 61617 | 10717 | 1610712 | 273910 | 40467 | 7115

| 41 | 37722 | 61619 | 10718 | 161217 | 273912 | 405110 | 7122

| 42 | 3864 | 7167 | 107113 | 1612413 | 274311 | 4136 | 7155

| 43 | 38617 | 7295 | 10747 | 1797 | 27462 | 41612 | 72162

| 44 | 3974 | 73221 | 107513 | 171310 | 274712 | 41307 | 72193

| 45 | 310117 | 73225 | 10837 | 17357 | 27518 | 414019 | 7321

| 46 | 31137 | 74712 | 10843 | 17589 | 275210 | 415015 | 7367

| 47 | 311714 | 7529 | 10859 | 176211 | 27544 | 421319 | 73205

| 48 | 31406 | 75816 | 10864 | 17781 | 275510 | 42153 | 732053

| 49 | 314718 | 7595 | 10877 | 177911 | 27564 | 42384 | 7421

| 50 | 316112 | 7597 | 108713 | 179716 | 276026 | 424521 | 7514

| 51 | 318022 | 7604 | 10895 | 1821 | 278614 | 424527 | 7564

| 52 | 31859 | 7612 | 109320 | 18145 | 2838 | 425227 | 78382

| 53 | 31914 | 76413 | 10988 | 18152 | 28219 | 4357 | 79404

| 54 | 319410 | 7656 | 1010112 | 18364 | 282525 | 43265 | 81285

| 55 | 459 | 7666 | 101052 | 187718 | 283224 | 43438 | 8362

| 56 | 4342 | 7672 | 11255 | 188613 | 28417 | 43444 | 9546

| 57 | 44630 | 76917 | 11276 | 18909 | 28427 | 43514 | 9833

| 58 | 4683 | 7736 | 11282 | 18939 | 284612 | 43516 | 98510

| 59 | 4779 | 7756 | 11291 | 1810510 | 285022 | 43542 | 98516

| 60 | 47832 | 7794 | 112921 | 1810513 | 286115 | 43546 |

| 61 | 4879 | 7804 | 11301 | 19113 | 287111 | 43577 |

| 62 | 4905 | 78110 | 11368 | 19273 | 287211 | 435813 |

| 63 | 49017 | 7824 | 11388 | 19368 | 28765 | 436110 |

| 64 | 4917 | 7856 | 113910 | 197314 | 287622 | 43649 |

| 65 | 49226 | 7886 | 114416 | 19954 | 28793 | 43885 |

| 66 | 49237 | 78938 | 114912 | 19979 | 29138 | 44174 |

| 67 | 41024 | 7906 | 11506 | 20149 | 29145 | 44225 |

| 68 | 41027 | 7934 | 11511 | 20793 | 29164 | 44262 |

| 69 | 41036 | 79314 | 11521 | 20834 | 29244 | 44283 |

| 70 | 410312 | 7999 | 115618 | 20855 | 292419 | 44374 |

| 71 | 41045 | 71094 | 115711 | 20864 | 292515 | 44514 |

| 72 | 410913 | 71274 | 11607 | 20868 | 29284 | 4548 |

| 73 | 412729 | 71278 | 116016 | 208711 | 292913 | 45519 |

| 74 | 41355 | 71283 | 11616 | 20907 | 29305 | 451315 |

| 75 | 414129 | 713312 | 11632 | 201007 | 29356 | 451411 |

| 76 | 41428 | 71372 | 11641 | 201016 | 29366 | 451720 |

| 77 | 414211 | 713726 | 117017 | 201114 | 29457 | 45206 |

| 78 | 415911 | 71387 | 11712 | 2012411 | 295114 | 452610 |

| 79 | 416215 | 713822 | 117410 | 21119 | 30122 | 45276 |

| 80 | 417515 | 714218 | 11782 | 21475 | 30142 | 453111 |

| 81 | 5230 | 714515 | 117811 | 21524 | 302119 | 46514 |

| 82 | 565 | 71482 | 11846 | 21739 | 302313 | 461023 |

| 83 | 585 | 71505 | 11851 | 217414 | 302420 | 46137 |

| 84 | 5812 | 715027 | 11882 | 21773 | 30254 | 46216 |

| 85 | 51110 | 715038 | 11891 | 21779 | 302826 | 462312 |

| 86 | 51217 | 71553 | 118910 | 217811 | 30301 | 462513 |

| 87 | 51419 | 71592 | 118913 | 211065 | 303017 | 462917 |

| 88 | 51618 | 716011 | 118916 | 22913 | 30314 | 46302 |

| 89 | 5204 | 71647 | 118919 | 221716 | 303714 | 463019 |

| 90 | 5205 | 71678 | 11922 | 222614 | 30431 | 46311 |

| 91 | 5211 | 71704 | 11931 | 223511 | 30434 | 463526 |

| 92 | 5225 | 717221 | 11982 | 22416 | 30477 | 473824 |

| 93 | 52512 | 717623 | 11984 | 22426 | 30552 | 48215 |

| 94 | 52613 | 71773 | 11996 | 22431 | 3142 | 481219 |

| 95 | 53618 | 718827 | 111008 | 22433 | 31172 | 48167 |

| 96 | 53712 | 720322 | 111121 | 225421 | 32310 | 482018 |

| 97 | 54123 | 832 | 111141 | 226717 | 32257 | 49611 |

| 98 | 5509 | 85310 | 12913 | 22695 | 33138 | 49116 |

| 99 | 55121 | 8584 | 123719 | 227833 | 33339 | 49118 |

| 100 | 55412 | 86524 | 124027 | 23164 | 34466 | 50123 |

[Mazhar]

Pl add 7118, it will make the total 660.

[SAbboushi]

Mazhar - thank you very much!

May I ask if you are using a database or something printed? Your source seems more accurate than mine and I would be interested in finding out what source you are using-

Peace-

[Mazhar]

Database is available on some of the websites. Checking the accuracy is ones own effort, and it should be manual/ones own hard copy of the Qur'aan-I use the one printed by Saudi Government, not through computer programmes/software.

Whenever you wish to cross verify the database, message or email me. InshaAllah I will share it with you. Slowly and gradially I am uploading the Perception of Roots alongwith all words made from it that have occurred in Qur'aan plus their analysis.

Some you may see here
Root

Root
Root " "
e.mail [email protected]

[bkanwar2]

Badar - can you please clarify
Is this a general statement you are making (i.e. not specific to the roots I am examining in this thread)?

Are you saying that of the 28 Arabic letters, there are 3 weak letters which are Alif, Ya and Waw. Are you saying that when these weak letters are used in a root word, that these letters can be swapped for one another when one writes the ROOT word?

Dear Sabboushi, you are working with a lost/corrupted language. If you are struggling you shouldn't feel bad or alone. When the second root letter is Ya or Waw. Such roots are classified as Ajwaf. The rule is, if all consonant have Fetha as movement/vowel. Middle Waw changes to Alif. This appears only for easy of pronunciation and should not change the root meaning. At least non of Arabic Grammarian have said this. However, in present reality we are told differently. In this root of , verb would be under rule of Ajwaf , it becomes .

Hope this helps. Please refer to Wright's discussion of weak verbs in vol. 1. If you need further help. Please do not hesitate.

Peace,

Badar

[bkanwar2]

Dear Sabboushi, you are working with a lost/corrupted language. If you are struggling you shouldn't feel bad or alone. When the second root letter is Ya or Waw. Such roots are classified as Ajwaf. The rule is, if all consonant have Fetha as movement/vowel. Middle Waw changes to Alif. This appears only for easy of pronunciation and should not change the root meaning. At least non of Arabic Grammarian have said this. However, in present reality we are told differently. In this root of , verb would be under rule of Ajwaf , it becomes .

Hope this helps. Please refer to Wright's discussion of weak verbs in vol. 1. If you need further help. Please do not hesitate.

Peace,

Badar

Just a further clarification, not all, even if 1st and second consonant have fetha and in addition second consonant is a Waw. The Waw changes into an alif, like above in example word.

Badar

[Mazhar]

Dear Sabboushi, you are working with a lost/corrupted language.

It is not true about the language, therefore, something may have lost or got corrupted in some part of the brain. That needs to be overhauled.

[SAbboushi]

Mazhar-

Thanks for the links. Very interesting what you wrote about truth and knowledge re Root

Database is available on some of the websites.

Can you please provide links for me?

I see that you have included syntax and morphology. Have you seen this http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp

I use the one printed by Saudi Government

I did a search but too many irrelevant links to find... can you tell me the specifics if I want to locate and purchase (I saw some Saudi links offering Quran for free, but link I tried was broken). What does this Quran printed by Saudi Government have that is different from other Quran printings? Does it list the roots and counts?

Whenever you wish to cross verify the database, message or email me. InshaAllah I will share it with you.

Thank you for your generous offer-- I will do that since again, your work seems more accurate than what I have. e.g.
Root - I only have 380 instead of 381. # of constructions I have 36 instead of 33

[SAbboushi]

Please refer to Wright's discussion of weak verbs in vol. 1.

EXCELLENT! EXCELLENT! Thank you! Wright's explanation starting on p. 71 answers many questions for me (and gives me many more... I was trying to go through his book last year, but realized I needed to gather more knowledge first...)

[SAbboushi]

If you need further help. Please do not hesitate.

And Thank You--

Peace-
Samir

[Mazhar]

Root - I only have 380 instead of 381. # of constructions I have 36 instead of 33

I have again checked, 381 is the correct figure, You may cross check which one is missing in your data base. Thirty six may be for reason of taking it a seperate construction with conjunction waw in 1448;2004;8501. I have also inadvertantly made an additional entry at Sr. No. 26 for 222; correcting it the constructions will be 32.

[Mazhar]

Can you please provide links for me?

I see that you have included syntax and morphology. Have you seen this http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp

I am one of the volunteer for correcting mistakes. I keep sharing information with Mr. Kais. It is a good statistical source, though no original work is being done, except computerization of existing data/knowledge.

[SAbboushi]

Good, as I understood from your post you want to understand. Not, just have a cook book. I work on the same learning method. Hence, I would not give a cook book answer. Therefore, it will help us both. Next step is that I am going to break this word down into it's affixes and suffixes, as I understand it. Which are as follows.

Please try to look up from Lane as well Wright Grammar books. For affixes and suffixes use Wright; otherwise Lane. If you find trouble in finding, please let me know. Once you understand these, we can discuss the concepts conveyed by this word.
Peace,

Badar

Badar-
I have spent about 4 hours with Wright trying to research the suffix

I have been unable to find that form.

vol2 p. 449 has the index entry for "suffixes" (and related concepts like "accusative" and "genitive"...).

vol1 pp. 100-101 Appendix B lists the verbal suffixes. I see there are 2 forms (plural, fem.) that end with , but the forms do not match

I don't know how to proceed re the suffix and would appreciate your help.

Peace-
Samir

[Mazhar]

Simple things unnecessarily being made complicated.

Waw is pronoun indicater of plural subject in nominative case; and Noon is indicative of the Mood of the Verb, that it is Marfoo.