Jilbab [Quran 33:59]
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herbman
The whole idea of the verse is to protect the women which are the weakest to be protected from offenses from offenders.
nope this idea again gives Men the upper hand, as protectors, and you call the women "Weakest", you have commited a great SIN brother, in eyes of FEMINISTS, Please say
"Estghfurallah"
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Mazhar said because these two parts "disturb" MEN.
You think these two parts are private and others are public property
dear, did you even understand what I asked? Why Allah commanded to lenghthen the garments, the women are already wearing garments prior to this verse or were they nude? if they were nude then it is understandable that Allah ordered them to cover up private parts, but if they were wearing some garments why double cover them? or even double covering them can hide these parts?
Since I don't want you to be let down, here are some bikinis. Let me ask that these ladies and gentle man is covering the parts that disturb men according to Mazhar, and private parts according to you, so is it fine with you?Raaajah.
To have a dirty mind and to understand what really sex means are two different things. Human sex system is inbuilt and it can become "operative" even without one's preconceived intention. And neither your brain is making any distinction about the clothes already on the body of women as dress and additional unsewn sheet placed over and above the body. The dress, sewn may or may not hide the contours of the body. But an unsewn sheet hides/obscures the contours and that is the function of additional sheet. And instead you put dirty pictures.
And let me tell you the type of man, though tall, you have brought in, his features and few other signs indicate that he belongs to that category who is never disturbed by any scene of women. He just befools himself of his inner shortcomings by such postures with professional women.
Request to Moderators Please delete these odd pictures, and when so decided, pl also delete last para of this post.
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Mazhar
Raaajah.
To have a dirty mind and to understand what really sex means are two different things
Oh boy, It was you who said that, "two parts" of women disturb Men and then you named those "two" parts, backed up by may be example of Pushto Movies, and all of sudden Some one else is Dirty mind bravo
It is up there in your Mind, that these "two" specific parts can disturb you and may be are disturbing you,
The picture I posted was for more free-minded people like Ayisha and Leyna, who think they can wera what ever seems fit to them, as long as Bosoms are covered, the two ladies in picture are covering the Bosoms and front. After the picture there was a qusetion to Ayisha, your getting annoyed does not seems proper.
However your comment on that tall GUY really needs a lot of experience. -
Just study old books of India about men and women, which might give you some indepth knowledge about various contours of human body. I studied those 35 years back, but now I can't get reference or link of those for you. I have people around me who can tell what is in ones stomach at that point in time undigested and what is the shape and condition of his hidden parts by just putting his four fingers on one's pulse. These are the things covered under the word "hikmat", without the use of scanners.
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Oh boy, It was you who said that, "two parts" of women disturb Men and then you named those "two" parts, backed up by may be example of Pushto Movies, and all of sudden Some one else is Dirty mind
It is up there in your Mind, that these "two" specific parts can disturb you and may be are disturbing you,
The picture I posted was for more free-minded people like Ayisha and Leyna,Free minded and dirty minded are also two different things. Qur'aan openly mentions by name the private parts but abhors that you put those into picture publiclly.
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Ayisha
Oh! really which arabic word you have translated as two private parts?Ayisha wow ???
where did I say TWO? Quran says private parts plural as far as im aware, if not then stop pratting about and correct me on the wording and grammar of the translators.
Seems you have a problem with Mazhar's posts and have a go at me for it.
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The picture I posted was for more free-minded people like Ayisha and Leyna, who think they can wera what ever seems fit to them, as long as Bosoms are covered,
Please keep your collection of bikini clad girls to yourself.
free minded as in this site is called free minds, did you not notice when you signed up?
You still keep having a go at me and have yet to explain how that verse says otherwise, because you cant, because it doesnt.
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Ayisha
Seems you have a problem with Mazhar's posts and have a go at me for it.
Ok, may be it was mixed up.
I was refering to your this post
I agree that the 2 parts are what are called 'private parts' and should be covered
hmmm, so it is Mazhar again hmm
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Qurban jaon aapke urdu se
flattered!
a kiss from me too.
i don't f*ing think so! yuck
laugh
nahiN khhel ai daaGh yaaroN se kehdo
ke aati hai Urdu zabaaN aate aatesry rasulhamsa, my urdu is not enough to make proper sense of this.. daagh? hmm
other than that i see we are back to repetitive arguments and chicks in bikinis.. how very predictable. )
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sry rasulhamsa, my urdu is not enough to make proper sense of this.. daagh? hmm
daagh is the name of poet. ask your hubby to translate it forya well all it means is, learning urdu is not a joke, it takes time. )
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Mazhar
So you mean to say that before this Ayat the ladies were wearing Skirts? or roaming with open bossoms? that is why they were told to lengthen their garments from shoulders down ward? that is not logical, that makes no sense,
ACTUALLY, if you do look at many commentators (and at Muhammad Asad's footnotes on the issue), women WERE roaming around with their breasts exposed ... that is why covering the bosoms is explicitly stated in the verse.
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Initiater of the thread
OK, people, I'm kinda confused here. We know that there's no mandatory clothing article required to be worn by women.. but then what is the "Jilbab" .....
herbman
is this debate about what is a JILBAB?
Please use your brain.Yes! we should use the BRAINS.
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aynur
ACTUALLY, if you do look at many commentators (and at Muhammad Asad's footnotes on the issue), women WERE roaming around with their breasts exposed ... that is why covering the bosoms is explicitly stated in the verse
That makes things further difficult for those who think that, quran has ordered to cover only two parts, or only two parts are private parts.
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aynur
That makes things further difficult for those who think that, quran has ordered to cover only two parts, or only two parts are private parts.do you totally misunderstand or twist things out of some perverse pleasure or do you do this normally with everything? ??? Is it a language problem?
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As salaamu aleykum
After a long time studying about the subject..
To understand my opinion ,please first have a look to this video ;even you may not like the content
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z_HbdrJvCc&feature=share&list=FLFe-rRWPCNZgpAj851L_QUA
I think that the recommended jilbab in the Quraan must be a cloack,a hooded one..that would explain a lot of mistakes.
Love and blessings for all the seekers of truth !