The Night of Decree is the 27th day of the 9th moon: Incontrovertible proof
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Salaam everyone,
Here is a moment that I believe will be painful for whoever dares to read
http//www.islamrevolution.org/thenightofdecree.htmThe article proves very simply (read part 2 for instance) how the Night of Decree is indeed the 27th night of Ramadan.
Today is the day that lots of people of freeminds are exposed because they rejected gematrical value and claimed they are human made.
Unless you bury your head in the sand, I believe that this time you have no way out.I pray this will be a wake up call and that you will pray for forgiveness on the coming Night of Decree this sunday (in America at least).
Again, Today is the day that Ayman and others are irreversibly exposed. Starting from there I believe that many will still reject part of the message as a whole, but at least whoever reads will receive a serious shock.God is Almighty, Forgiver.
Peace.
Pierre
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Salaam everyone,
Here is a moment that I believe will be painful for whoever dares to read
Peace be up on you -- yes, very painful indeed.
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Peace be up on you -- yes, very painful indeed.
Agreed, and I like numbers.
Isn't this coming Sunday the 25th night and not the 27th night though?
Also, Allah made a year to be 365.25 days according to the sun (and moon) and as the Islamic calendar is 11 days shorter than that 'natural' year, does Allah comply with the Islamic calendar or with the natural calendar when this night will be?
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Salaam Ayisha and all,
Agreed, and I like numbers.
Isn't this coming Sunday the 25th night and not the 27th night though?
Also, Allah made a year to be 365.25 days according to the sun (and moon) and as the Islamic calendar is 11 days shorter than that 'natural' year, does Allah comply with the Islamic calendar or with the natural calendar when this night will be?
This coming sunday is the 27th night (before the first night we do not fast), at least for the US.
Allah made a year 365.25, Quran mentions 365 pure singular forms of "day". If you take a close look at those 341 verses where day occurs, the word "year" intersect three times with the "day" system which is an allegory that 365 is valid for three years, the fourth being the leap year.I am wondering Did you read the article ? Quran makes it clear in Quran that the night of Decree is coded as the 27th night of the 9th "moon". You did not read and study it.
Please study it, it is a short article, and then let me know if you still let Freeminds misguide you.Peace.
Pierre
God bless.
Pierre
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Salaam Ayisha and all,
This coming sunday is the 27th night (before the first night we do not fast), at least for the US.
The first night was night of 11 august, we started fasting (here in Egypt anyway) on 12th August, so today is the 24th night and sunday will be 26th, sorry not 25th. So in Egypt it will be Monday night, which is your Monday day in US. So if we all use different day out by 1 day, does that mean this night of decree comes to different countries at different nights and Allah is complying to when each country's muslims says this is it?
Allah made a year 365.25, Quran mentions 365 pure singular forms of "day". If you take a close look at those 341 verses where day occurs, the word "year" intersect three times with the "day" system which is an allegory that 365 is valid for three years, the fourth being the leap year.
but by the Islamic calendar, which is the one you are now using to denote this is ramadan, there are 354 days in a year and no leap years.I am wondering Did you read the article ? Quran makes it clear in Quran that the night of Decree is coded as the 27th night of the 9th "moon". You did not read and study it.
I started to read it but got halfway and found too many numbers meaning nothing, like your posts directly above with how many times 'day' is in Quran. But again the 27th day of the ninth moon of which calendar? It all depends on where one starts their year and the islamic calendar is 11 days out of the 365 days a year.Please study it, it is a short article, and then let me know if you still let Freeminds misguide you.
sorry not sure what you mean by this, Allah guides me using the brain He gave mePeace.
Pierre
God bless.
Pierre
peace
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The first night was night of 11 august, we started fasting (here in Egypt anyway) on 12th August, so today is the 24th night and sunday will be 26th, sorry not 25th. So in Egypt it will be Monday night, which is your Monday day in US. So if we all use different day out by 1 day, does that mean this night of decree comes to different countries at different nights and Allah is complying to when each country's muslims says this is it?
but by the Islamic calendar, which is the one you are now using to denote this is ramadan, there are 354 days in a year and no leap years.
I started to read it but got halfway and found too many numbers meaning nothing, like your posts directly above with how many times 'day' is in Quran. But again the 27th day of the ninth moon of which calendar? It all depends on where one starts their year and the islamic calendar is 11 days out of the 365 days a year.
sorry not sure what you mean by this, Allah guides me using the brain He gave me
peaceYou have to check the moonrise where you are. In the US the first night was the 10th, first day of fasting the 11th, Sept 5 the 27th night.
Quran acknowledges both a solar and lunar calendar.
Quran details the Night of Decree as the 27th night of the 9th moon. 2185 tells us the Quran was revealed during Ramadan.
Did you read in the article that from the verse where the 27th word "NIGHT" occurs (177 until the verse where the 9th word "MOON" occurs (2133), there are 410 verses 410 is the gematrical value of "THE NIGHT OF DECREE". Furthermore the word "DAY" occurs 27 times between the 2 verses.There are so many other signs.Freeminds has claimed that the gematrical value system is human made. They are insincere and dead wrong.
Peace.Pierre
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You have to check the moonrise where you are. In the US the first night was the 10th, first day of fasting the 11th, Sept 5 the 27th night.
still doesnt answer my question regarding Allah complying to when muslims of a certain country decide this night isQuran acknowledges both a solar and lunar calendar.
you cant have both, you can have a mix which is what it should be but you cant have both. The Islamic calendar is what YOU are going by to say its is now ramadan and that calendar is 354 days to a year, an Islamic year, do you understand what i'm saying?Quran details the Night of Decree as the 27th night of the 9th moon. 2185 tells us the Quran was revealed during Ramadan.
Not ALL the Quran was revealed in ramadan, it was revealed over 23 years and if every verse had been sent in ramadan then they would not have changed to this calendar we use now as we would know that when a revelation came it must be ramadan, that didnt happen and after Muhammed died they started following a new calendar with only 354 days in a year and not the lunar-solar calendar in use.
Did you read in the article that from the verse where the 27th word "NIGHT" occurs (177 until the verse where the 9th word "MOON" occurs (2133), there are 410 verses 410 is the gematrical value of "THE NIGHT OF DECREE". Furthermore the word "DAY" occurs 27 times between the 2 verses.There are so many other signs.
seriously? you call that a 'sign'? why not take the 10th mention of night and the 8th mention of moon? From what im looking at now the 27th mention of night is in chapter 13, not 17, but will have to check that properly against the Arabic, but there is nothing to match this with the actual verse that tells you about this night anyway.
Freeminds has claimed that the gematrical value system is human made. They are insincere and dead wrong.
Peace.Pierre
they claimed that?!! How dare they use logic and fact like that!
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Salaam Ayman,
Peace Pierre,
How do you know the 9th moon?
Peace,
Ayman
Did you read the article?
http//www.islamrevolution.org/thenightofdecree.htmI know it is the 9th moon because Quran was revealed during Ramadan (2185).
I won't be able to answer any other post before tomorrow, I hope we can set this issue straight peacefully. It is very important.
God bless. -
??no matter what kind of miracles you present to those who disbelieve, they say ?you are falsifiers? (305.
Ayisha
Agreed, and I like numbers.
Isn't this coming Sunday the 25th night and not the 27th night though?
Also, Allah made a year to be 365.25 days according to the sun (and moon) and as the Islamic calendar is 11 days shorter than that 'natural' year, does Allah comply with the Islamic calendar or with the natural calendar when this night will be?Ayisha
still doesnt answer my question regarding Allah complying to when muslims of a certain country decide this night is
pierre
I am wondering Did you read the article ? Quran makes it clear in Quran that the night of Decree is coded as the 27th night of the 9th "moon". You did not read and study it.
It is very hard to make her read or study, I thought it is only Me, no also Mazhar, wait and Mushu, and Fahad and now you who have same problem with her.
As for me it is 27th all the way. even before reading this article.
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AyishaAyisha
pierre
It is very hard to make her read or study, I thought it is only Me, no also Mazhar, wait and Mushu, and Fahad and now you who have same problem with her.
yes you do all seem to have something in common dont you ;DAs for me it is 27th all the way. even before reading this article.
so raj, assuming you mean 27th of Ramadan which is the Isamic calendar that has 354 days in a year and not 365 which Allah has decreed a year marked by the orbit of the sun, can you tell me this does Allah comply with muslims when they decide this night will be, or would it be one of the 365 nights that Allah made of which the islamic calendar is short by 11 days? Thinking about it, what if it is one of those 11 days that the Islamic calendar is missing o
Why had Fahad got a problem with me ??? I haven't discussed anything with him ???
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Salaam Ayman,
Did you read the article?
http//www.islamrevolution.org/thenightofdecree.htmI know it is the 9th moon because Quran was revealed during Ramadan (2185).
I won't be able to answer any other post before tomorrow, I hope we can set this issue straight peacefully. It is very important.
God bless.Yes Quran was raveled on 27th day of fasting ah my dear uncle Abu jahal and company were fasting when Quran was revealed. yes
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Salam
If the Lailatul Qadr falls on 21 or 23 or 25 or 27 or today or tomorrow what makes the difference to us. What do we understand from the verse.
Lo! We revealed it on the Night of Power. (Surely Quran)
Ah, what will explain unto thee what the Night of Power is! (Prophet does not know what is Night of Power)
The Night of Power is better than a thousand months. (it is better than a thousand months, because in my opinion
Quran was revealed in that Night to dispel the Darkness of Ignorance)The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees. (Does anybody know what are the decrees?)
(That night is) Peace until the rising of the dawn. (Can anyone define what is peace)
Then why so fuss about the above verses.
Has Allah commanded us to pray in this night?
Has Allah assured us forgiveness in this night?
Is this night's prayer is equal to 80 years of prayer.
It is high time that we should follow only what Allah has decreed and not CONJECTURES. It will lead us to NOWHERE.
May Allah guide us all.
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Alhamdulilah, may the Lord reconcile our hearts, and accept the judgment of the messenger of God. I think my Lord chose certain people for certain purposes, I read the work Pierre did with the Night of Decree, and Solomon with the recitation, and Edip's argument for the recitation of al-fatiha during salat, back when Rashad was on earth, though he is alive at His Lord , and was editor of Submitters Perspective.
I feel blessed too, to have understood something about the 3 Semitic religions the Buddhist idea of 3 wise monkeys, which I am still exploring. But then I can also look to the works of other men, such as Ian Brown who had an album titled Unfinished Monkey Business, and later wrote a track titled Hear No See No and various other musicians like Coldplay "you just want somebody listening to what you say, it doesn't matter who you are," , and how by listening you philosophise, and the more you listen the more you know, and how the Old Testament was an orally transmitted book, almost like music. The Quran is beautiful book too, poetic, and now I can return to study the words, instead of the immense mathematics behind, I can believe, just on the presence of words of the Quran.One of the great miracles ( Quran 7435)
7+4+3+5=19
Peace
A Submitter
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I tend to agree with Br Kazi. This is the night when Qur'an was revealed and is addressed to the Messenger Muhammad (SWS). It had a great significance for the future of mankind. It came with guidance that was to dispel darkness of ignorance and bring on a dawn of peace and enlightenment.
The Qur'an does not specify special prayers to be done this night. What came to us is from our parents, family, etc. That said, those who want to pray should pray, no harm.
If it is (as some believe) a night when peoples destinies are determined (including those belonging to Muslim Ummah) then considering the present state of affairs of the Ummah, Allah does not seem too pleased with us.
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Peace Pierre,
Did you read the article?
http//www.islamrevolution.org/thenightofdecree.htmI read the article a while back and I read it again. There is nothing in there that answers my simple question.
How do you know the 9th moon?
I know it is the 9th moon because Quran was revealed during Ramadan (2185).
I won't be able to answer any other post before tomorrow, I hope we can set this issue straight peacefully. It is very important.
God bless.I agree that the issue is very important. This is why it is important to separate what is manmade from what is god-given.
There is nothing inherent in the Hijri calendar month (not moon) named Ramadan that makes it the 9th whatever. In fact, there is nothing inherent in Shaaban that makes it month 8 and the same can be said about any Hijri month for that matter. Your assumption that it is the 9th something is a false assumption based on the 100% arbitrary and manmade order of the months in the Hijri calendar. Shaaban is in turn based on Rajab being 7 and Jumada Al-Thani being 6 and so on all the way back to when this calendar was first made up and which month it started with. Since the calendar started at the time of Umar, your present Ramadan is approximately month 17000 (give or take). Repeating the names of the months every 12 is all that the Hijri calendar does. Those names are anyway meaningless and 100% arbitrary and manmade.
Since what I am saying is pretty much indisputable, are you saying that the god descends the spirit on a certain night based on what Umar or some other guy decided for him?
Peace,
Ayman
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Salam
If the Lailatul Qadr falls on 21 or 23 or 25 or 27 or today or tomorrow what makes the difference to us. What do we understand from the verse.
Lo! We revealed it on the Night of Power. (Surely Quran)
Ah, what will explain unto thee what the Night of Power is! (Prophet does not know what is Night of Power)
The Night of Power is better than a thousand months. (it is better than a thousand months, because in my opinion
Quran was revealed in that Night to dispel the Darkness of Ignorance)The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees. (Does anybody know what are the decrees?)
(That night is) Peace until the rising of the dawn. (Can anyone define what is peace)
Then why so fuss about the above verses.
Has Allah commanded us to pray in this night?
Has Allah assured us forgiveness in this night?
Is this night's prayer is equal to 80 years of prayer.
It is high time that we should follow only what Allah has decreed and not CONJECTURES. It will lead us to NOWHERE.
May Allah guide us all.
THIS IS ALSO WHAT I ASK ME FRIENDS ABOUT... WHATS ABOUT THIS NIGHT? WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT IT IS THAT IT IS GONE.
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THIS IS ALSO WHAT I ASK ME FRIENDS ABOUT... WHATS ABOUT THIS NIGHT? WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT IT IS THAT IT IS GONE.
No, it is not gone, it comes every year on the night of orange moon, which is God's marker for starting a year for mankind. It is the first full moon after summer solstice.
What i can perceive, Allah sends down plans/instructions for mankind/individual, to the controllers on this night. He also sent down Quran on this night once 1400 years ago.
He also picked out this marker, for us to start fasting for a few days.
siki
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No, it is not gone, it comes every year on the night of orange moon, which is God's marker for starting a year for mankind. It is the first full moon after summer solstice.
What i can perceive, Allah sends down plans/instructions for mankind/individual, to the controllers on this night. He also sent down Quran on this night once 1400 years ago.
He also picked out this marker, for us to start fasting for a few days.
siki
Why not everyday? Moreover, the verses does not imply a single time that the quran was being revealed on that special night. How do we conclude that the quran was revealed on this particular night?