Dr Qamar's Haqeeqat Hadith, Haqeeqat Salat and Haqeeqat Saum??
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Dear Bob,
You made it appear bolder and bolder, the root word "RFS" without trying to use it as Dr.Qz is trying to use it.
Aik Jamiah lafz hay jo in tamam batoon ko muheet karta hay joJINSI IKHTLAT kay silsila may sarzad hoti hain.
You can translate the red part better then me.
and at the last page read the last lines, which make it clear what Al-Rafas is.
http//sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs314.ash2/59477_146813832022272_100000809687687_195809_3944970_n.jpgFaksh Kalami aisi kay jis may JINSI MILAN nahi hona chahiay.
You have exposed Dr. QZ's chaeting over here.
BOB
The beginning of the verse shows that bad-mouthing or belittling the
deprived was made lawful. Doubtless, God can never sanction this type of behavior. When bad-mouthing (mistreatment and belittling
others) becomes accepted behavior in the society, the rich and influential treat the weak and destitute like Kami or untouchables.No where in LUGHAT- UL-QURAN that you quoted RAFAs is meant to be bad-mouthing in sense of mistreatment or belittling. Bad Mouthing in which "JINSI MILAN" is involved. Therefore very rightly Allama Sahib arrives at the conclusion which any sane mind will arrive at.
Therefore dear BOb you have just exposed your own Dr. QZ
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omg
So if its sex talk, why did they translate it to sex ?
read line 5, Raghab ne likha hai is se moraaad woh fahash batein jin ka zikr acha nahi
8 line Fahash kalamiRead the aya with the meaning "fahash klami" and see what you get.then look at the context.
Could you provide me the root meaning of the word ?
No1 have used the word badmouthing,fahashklami in their translation,why ? The word Sex in here is their own interpretition,because THEY think it is about sex with your wives. Why didnt Allah use the proper word for sex instead of "fahash klami" ?
"you were doing "fahash klami " your wives and god is aware of .......
hehehe,whats wrong with that,it is ur wife ur talking to ,no ?
Look at the word Nisaa again,and this time,try to use ur OWN head,,as i said...
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Bob
Dr.QZ
What does Annisa (OEK ) mean here? If God meant wife or wives,
He would have used the correct word Zoj or Azwaaj ?P( or P ( ?
(wife or wives). Annisa (OEK ) not only means wives but mothers
and sisters as well.
Instead of common noun Nisa (OE2) the proper noun Annisa (OEK )
has been used. Who are these special women?Read his page 21. He talks about and says definite noun has been used instead of and puts the question who are these special women, because if God meant wives the word would have been used. Here he is obviously a cheat, though exposed himself. And also never answers the question.
Actually the word used is and not since it is a possessive phrase with suffixed pronoun of second person, masculine, plural which denotes nothing except "wives of you people".
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Bob
read line 5, Raghab ne likha hai is se moraaad woh fahash batein jin ka zikr acha nahi
8 line Fahash kalamiWhy do you stop short like your mentor Dr.QZ
Raghab ne likha hai is se murad woh fahash batein jin ka zikr acha nahi maslan Jamaah aur duai JamaahJin Ka Zikr acha nahi, (Yaani aisi bataein jin ko kartey hoay koi sharmaay).
Bob Your QZ will not be happy with you for what you did just now.
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Bob
Why do you stop short like your metor Dr.QZ
Raghab ne likha hai is se murad woh fahash batein jin ka zikr acha nahi maslan Jamaah aur duai JamaahJin Ka Zikr acha nahi, (Yaani aisi bataein jin ko kartey hoay koi sharmaay).
Bob Your QZ will not be happy with you for what you did just now.
yeh,to Batoun ki hi baat ho rahi hai. Even Edward William lane ne yeh likha hai.
Anyway,sari ayat dubara se review karo,agar nahi karna chahte to behas kis baat ki kar rahe ho ? you wont believe it,then dont!
Use ur own head,not Allama Parwez's head. Remember, he wrote MAHFOUM and told us his word is not final. Tum ne naye sect pervezi bana lee hai. He would not be ;D with you .
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Bob
Dr.QZ
Read his page 21. He talks about and says definite noun has been used instead of and puts the question who are these special women, because if God meant wives the word would have been used. Here he is obviously a cheat, though exposed himself. And also never answers the question.
Actually the word used is and not since it is a possessive phrase with suffixed pronoun of second person, masculine, plural which denotes nothing except "wives of you people".
You can ask him directly. Khud Q nahi dr Q se pochte -X? Nisaa as women is a derivation of a root,where is the root ? And the word nisaa itself is plural and not singular,,strange ? = Nun-Siin-Waw = women. There is no singular of this word.
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Bob
You can ask him directly. Khud Q nahi dr Q se pochte
You are his Escort to free-minds.org, tell him to come to this forum, tab un say bhi poch lain gay.
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Bob
You are his Escort to free-minds.org, tell him to come to this forum, tab un say bhi poch lain gay.Ab apne dimagh main batein bane lag gaye ho sunni shiaou ki tarha? chee chee
Chalo khair, jub dar utra to khus qiou ho ke dr Q se poch lena.
Aur rona dhona band karo! Jao ja ke namaz parho.
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Bob
Use ur own head,not Allama Parwez's head. Remember, he wrote MAHFOUM and told us his word is not final. Tum ne naye sect pervezi bana lee hai.
I would be lucky if could had a head like his, but right now you are the one who are using the head of QZ, blindly like a parrot and trying to make QAMRI sect
Bob
Aur rona dhona band karo! Jao ja ke namaz parho.
Woh kya hota hay?
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Bob
I would be lucky if could had a head like his, but right now you are the one who are using the head of QZ, blindly like a parrot and trying to make QAMRI sectBob
Woh kya hota hay?Ofcourse i would have been lucky, he was a great scholar a loving humanbeing and n original thinker .thats why he told weak ppl like you not to create a sect,but to continue ur journey.
ha ha ha , qamri hahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Dosri bar rote dhote yeh lafz istemal na karna, nahi to boriet se meri qamar dukh jae gi hahaha
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Verb Passive; Form IV
is its Ergativeis something which is not desirable in public, since it relates to preliminaries of sex.
But it has restrictively been allowed . Preposition l its general meaning is directional towards an object. Except those husbands who behave like worst animals in sex matters with their wives, all sensible husbands know its meanings and nicities. All Allah fearing husbands have preliminary session to mentally prepare the wife for sex to have her involvement and consent since command is also requiring mutuality. with wife is the preliminaries which will incline her and is the ultimate which is possible only when wife also feels and reaches the multiple............
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Peace,
Do you not know the preliminaries of sex?
From Lane's here Foul, unseemly, immodest, lewd, or obscene, speech, in relation to women;
?? (sorry, not my style)
Really, I can understand how "bashiruhunna" fits for someone who wants to be a muttaqi, but how would that fit for someone in his 'training' to be a muttaqi? From the two occurrences of the root in AQ, I don't think it is ever mentioned in a positive notion--not even in the slightest gesture.
If that is the 'recommended approach', then why the word "bashiruhunna", which opposes the above word (i.e. approach in a good, positive sense), is used afterward in the verse, as a direct suggestion fal-na bshirhunna ... ?
But it has restrictively been allowed .
By who?
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From Lane's here Foul, unseemly, immodest, lewd, or obscene, speech, in relation to women;
Really, I can understand how "bashiruhunna" fits for someone who wants to be a muttaqi, but how would that fit for someone in his 'training' to be a muttaqi? From the two occurrences of the root in AQ, I don't think it is ever mentioned in a positive notion--not even in the slightest gesture.
If that is the 'recommended approach', then why the word "bashiruhunna", which opposes the above word (i.e. approach in a good, positive sense), is used afterward in the verse, as a direct suggestion fal-na bshirhunna ... ?
Read it not in relation to women where it suffers negativity and sexual harrassment, but in the context of husband and wife, where husband is desirous of mentally and physically preparing her for intercourse , the ultimate of sex process. Good husbands, if they realize that wife has not reached to the ultimate point of satisfaction, do not turn side but instead take recourse to even afterwards to make her achieve final orgasm. Have you noticed that while in Arabic the things are narrated in the most descent manner while in other languages I could not explain it that nudity becomes apparent.
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there is no word "husband/wife/spouse" in verse 2187.
It seems you do not know Arabic and also seem to have missed Raaajah's post.
Bob
Dr.QZ
Read his page 21. He talks about and says definite noun has been used instead of and puts the question who are these special women, because if God meant wives the word would have been used. Here he is obviously a cheat, though exposed himself. And also never answers the question.
Actually the word used is and not since it is a possessive phrase with suffixed pronoun of second person, masculine, plural which denotes nothing except "wives of you people".
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Read it not in relation to women where it suffers negativity and sexual harrassment, but in the context of husband and wife, where husband is desirous of mentally and physically preparing her for intercourse , the ultimate of sex process. Good husbands, if they realize that wife has not reached to the ultimate point of satisfaction, do not turn side but instead take recourse to even afterwards to make her achieve final orgasm. Have you noticed that while in Arabic the things are narrated in the most descent manner while in other languages I could not explain it that nudity becomes apparent.
Where did you get this story from ? Who told you the husband is preparing his wife for intercourse? and who told you its a bad thing to do ?
Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives.They are your garments and ye are their garments.
So its lawful to do fahash klami, "prepare ur wife for intercourse" -\ in the night of abstinence -\ ???
BUT Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you;
What were they doing secretly among themself? What is "forgiven" by Allah ? What did they do and when did they stop doing whatever they were doing ? Is Allah forgiving rafasa with their wife? did they stop doing it ?If Rafas was a vice yesterday, it is a vice today, and will be a vice tomorrow.
Who permitted rafas with your "wife" ?
And the word Annisa is for women,,,that could be sister,daughter,mother etc. Why not use the proper word for wife if this verse is about husband and wife ? "Go sleep with your women" huh ? so if you have a girlfriend and your not married to her,ur permitted to sleep with her according to this verse ? This is Arabic Mubeen,remember,,,,,