Dr Qamar's Haqeeqat Hadith, Haqeeqat Salat and Haqeeqat Saum??
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Are you not included in "Men"? Your gender sign shows you an "man".
Mazhar, salam
I never asked the following question,
Do you have sex only with your wife? rather i asked your opinion regarding,
" Do men have/been having sex only with their wives ? "
Subject commandment did not descend personally for me, or you, It encopasses mankind.
siki
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Mazhar, salam
I never asked the following question,
Do you have sex only with your wife? rather i asked your opinion regarding,
" Do men have/been having sex only with their wives ? "
Subject commandment did not descend personally for me, or you, It encopasses mankind.
siki
That is why I had said this that since you are also amongst "men", why don't you answer it yourself. Why should I comment on a sensitive and private matter about other men unless I am a witness to that act. The nation of Lot alahissalam was having sex with other men, sodomy and that too publicly and in groups.
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The nation of Lot alahissalam was having sex with other men, sodomy and that too publicly and in groups.
Where do you get that from? And what does this verse have to do with Lot who was thousands of years before the people this verse was revealed to and 'dealt with' back then by God destroying Sodom. And no I don't mean this wiped out homosexuality altogether.
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Where do you get that from?
Quran
"The people of Lut rejected the apostles. Behold, their brother Lut said to them "Will ye not fear (God)? "I am to you an apostle worthy of all trust. "So fear God and obey me. "No reward do I ask of you for it my reward is only from the lord of the Worlds. "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, "And leave those whom God has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!" They said "If thou desist not, O Lut! thou wilt assuredly be cast out!"He said "I do detest your doings." "O my Lord! deliver me and my family from such things as they do!" So We delivered him and his family,- all Except an old woman who lingered behind. But the rest We destroyed utterly. We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone) and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)! Verily in this is a Sign but most of them do not believe. And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might Most Merciful."
Genesis 19
This chapter describes how two angels visited Sodom and were welcomed into Lot?s house. The angels were sent to warn Lot that God was displeased with wickedness of the city?s residents and had decided to destroy the city. The men of the city gathered around the house and demanded that Lot send the strangers to the mob so that they might "know" the angels.The Hebrew verb which is commonly translated as "know" is yada. It means or refers to sexual activity - all heterosexual. It is not clear whether the mob wanted to rape the angels or to meet with them, and perhaps attack them physically. From the context, it is obvious that their mood was not friendly.
Sensing evil intent by his fellow citizens of Sodom, Lot refused. As an alternative, he offered his two virgin daughters to be heterosexually raped if that would appease the mob
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Where do you get that from? And what does this verse have to do with Lot who was thousands of years before the people this verse was revealed to and 'dealt with' back then by God destroying Sodom. And no I don't mean this wiped out homosexuality altogether.
We were not talking with reference to any verse. We were talking about the question for which you also pressed for answer.
Where did I get?
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"Do you people come to illicit sexual activity and you people openly watch it/do it in group"2754
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We were not talking with reference to any verse. We were talking about the question for which you also pressed for answer.
Where did I get?
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/027.%20An%20Naml/27.54.gif
"Do you people come to illicit sexual activity and you people openly watch it/do it in group"2754
aah right, your translation.
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Where do you get that from?
Quran
"The people of Lut rejected the apostles. Behold, their brother Lut said to them "Will ye not fear (God)? "I am to you an apostle worthy of all trust. "So fear God and obey me. "No reward do I ask of you for it my reward is only from the lord of the Worlds. "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, "And leave those whom God has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!" They said "If thou desist not, O Lut! thou wilt assuredly be cast out!"He said "I do detest your doings." "O my Lord! deliver me and my family from such things as they do!" So We delivered him and his family,- all Except an old woman who lingered behind. But the rest We destroyed utterly. We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone) and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)! Verily in this is a Sign but most of them do not believe. And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might Most Merciful."
Raj, when did you answer for mazhar, there are plenty of unanswered questions of your own.
These verses to do not say they were doing it publicly in groups
Genesis 19
This chapter describes how two angels visited Sodom and were welcomed into Lot?s house. The angels were sent to warn Lot that God was displeased with wickedness of the city?s residents and had decided to destroy the city. The men of the city gathered around the house and demanded that Lot send the strangers to the mob so that they might "know" the angels.The Hebrew verb which is commonly translated as "know" is yada. It means or refers to sexual activity - all heterosexual. It is not clear whether the mob wanted to rape the angels or to meet with them, and perhaps attack them physically. From the context, it is obvious that their mood was not friendly.
Sensing evil intent by his fellow citizens of Sodom, Lot refused. As an alternative, he offered his two virgin daughters to be heterosexually raped if that would appease the mob
you highlighted 'mob' but it would be great if you actually read the rest, or even read the actual Torah verses, but this doesnt sy they were at it in public in groups either, it agrees there was mob at the door.
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We were not talking with reference to any verse. We were talking about the question for which you also pressed for answer.
Where did I get?
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/027.%20An%20Naml/27.54.gif
"Do you people come to illicit sexual activity and you people openly watch it/do it in group"2754
aah right, your translation.
Did you not see the red underlined Arabic word of the text? You translate it keeping in view the plurality and mood of the verb and see what does it mean and connote.
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Did you not see the red underlined Arabic word of the text? You translate it keeping in view the plurality and mood of the verb and see what does it mean and connote.
doesn't say anything about doing it in groups in public. It is plural because he is saying it to a group of men outside his door. The 'see' part is more of a 'don't you get it?' than 'watching', its not watching its seeing, there is a difference. There is also a difference in seeing with the eyes and seeing with the mind, ie giving thought to something. 28.72 is a good example of what I mean, same word used but there is nothing to 'see' or 'watch' and is more 'think'.
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Ayisha
Raj, when did you answer for mazhar, there are plenty of unanswered questions of your own.
I think Mazhar is more knowledgeable than me and does not need me to answer for him.
Since, you kept on answering for many do whom i had conversation with.
And surely that has been repeated for many times now, NO ONE CAN ANSWER YOU. -
Ayisha
I think Mazhar is more knowledgeable than me and does not need me to answer for him.
then why did you?Since, you kept on answering for many do whom i had conversation with.
And surely that has been repeated for many times now, NO ONE CAN ANSWER YOU.I have not answered 'for' anyone else and I have managed to answer questions put to me.
Are you saying no one has knowledge, including you, to answer questions about claims that you have made? So you are admitting here that you have made claims about things you cannot back up and really have no knowledge of.
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Ayisha
Are you saying no one has knowledge, including you, to answer questions about claims that you have made? So you are admitting here that you have made claims about things you cannot back up and really have no knowledge of.
Yes no one can answer to a brain that is protected so heavily.
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doesn't say anything about doing it in groups in public. It is plural because he is saying it to a group of men outside his door. The 'see' part is more of a 'don't you get it?' than 'watching', its not watching its seeing, there is a difference. There is also a difference in seeing with the eyes and seeing with the mind, ie giving thought to something. 28.72 is a good example of what I mean, same word used but there is nothing to 'see' or 'watch' and is more 'think'.
You admit there is difference in watching and seeing. Yet you can not even see that the word used and underlined by me with red line is for watching not seeing. Watch is only when one focuses upon a thing. And Basr can be used only when one focuses and watches and is therefore also used to perceive and conceive the perception. Arabic is a precise language.
And I had asked you to also see the plurality and mood of verb which only reflects that they did it openly and in group, everybody watching/focussing as is done in recording of porno movies. And if you see the conjunction "waw" in the beginning of the subordinate clause/sentence which is called it would have confirmed you that it is describing the state in which the described act they used to perform as habit.
And I give you one more information about the sentence indicating the reason of my translation, object of the verb has been omitted.
And remember this is not about the episode of last days when people had gathered at his door.
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You admit there is difference in watching and seeing. Yet you can not even see that the word used and underlined by me with red line is for watching not seeing. Watch is only when one focuses upon a thing. And Basr can be used only when one focuses and watches and is therefore also used to perceive and conceive the perception. Arabic is a precise language.
And I had asked you to also see the plurality and mood of verb which only reflects that they did it openly and in group, everybody watching/focussing as is done in recording of porno movies. And if you see the conjunction "waw" in the beginning of the subordinate clause/sentence which is called it would have confirmed you that it is describing the state in which the described act they used to perform as habit.
And I give you one more information about the sentence indicating the reason of my translation, object of the verb has been omitted.
And remember this is not about the episode of last days when people had gathered at his door.
How is that used for watching and not seeing when the same word is used in 28.72 as I pointed out, what is being 'watched' in that verse? 43.51 same, what is being watched? 51.21 same, what is being watched? None of these verses refer to watching something or even seeing something with the eyes but with the mind. One can 'focus' the mind as well as the eyes. Plainly 'do you not get it'
What makes you say this is not the episode when people were gathered at Abrahams door? because its in a different verse? You did the same with Zakaraya asking for a child when it was 2 instances of the same event. This again is telling of the same event.
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Ayisha what makes you say that at the time of prophet Lut, there was no public sex. At least Mazhar has presented his evidence, you not agree with that, you seldom do, but I want to see any counter evidence, a historical or other wise. If you can that will help.
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Ayisha what makes you say that at the time of prophet Lut, there was no public sex. At least Mazhar has presented his evidence, you not agree with that, you seldom do, but I want to see any counter evidence, a historical or other wise. If you can that will help.
Mazhar has presented evidence of public sex where exactly? he has presented his view of a translation that NO OTHER translator has come up with.