Dr Qamar's Haqeeqat Hadith, Haqeeqat Salat and Haqeeqat Saum??
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Anyway, on a different note... I would like to share something with you all, especially ?Mazhar?
It has been said that ?Truth stands out clear from erroneous assertions? ? Is not the truth what we fight for? The right to seek the truth... Is that not a human right; to be given the opportunity to seek the truth!
In order to ascertain the truth and to understand the essence of the Quran, we need to analyse the Quran using all methodologies available, cross examining works in detail in order to reach a solid conclusion. This must be done so without personal opinions, and one must not be biased or prejudice, instead maintain an open mind!
An individual who is seeking the truth has the right to critically challenge anything, if it is done with rationale and without hatred; the individual should not be condemned. Like trying to solve a murder case, even if the victim?s family are questioned regarding the case, they would feel uneasy but would want to get the case resolved.
No one has the final authority on the Quran; we are all students, regardless of levels of study achieved! Academically, if a professor has written a paper, and one is to challenge that paper, it is done so without mocking its author. Challenging the works of a person, does not mean ATTACK THEM!
Credentials and titles have no value if the proprietor does not keep to the level (not only academically, but as a gentleman who has manners and etiquette).
Mazhar... frankly your behaviour has been shocking!! You have repeatedly behaved in an insolent manner!
The very Ayah (4911) stipulates not to ?ridicule? others!
From ur translation
He fully knows the one who has made himself mindful, cautious, heedful and avoiding unrestrained conduct in reverence and fear of Allah.
this has been made for the abode of those who endeavour for ultimate success remaining mindful and cautious and avoid unrestrained conduct. 3133
and you people should not slander against each other and nor make yourselves habitual in calling others with nicknames ,
From YOUR OWN TRANSLATION
Referring to someone as stupid is not in any way ?scholarly?. I tried to point this out to you, yet you have the audacity to continue with a disgusting display of childish bickering. If you cannot refrain from using such foul eruption of incivility, then I suggest you go take a look in the mirror, and leave the debating to individuals who have self-restraint!
bravo bravo
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?Yaskhar? the ?masculine singular imperfect verb? has been used once, for both parties i.e. it has been used for ?Qoam? and for ?Nisa?
There is no such thing that a masculine verb is used simultaneously for masculine subject/doer of the act and femiiine subject/doer of the act. The verb for women is omitted because of its being too obvious in the subordinate clause of the sentence.
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Raaajah had said at the beginning
As expected it was lots of twisting and toil gathered to change and draw the meanings that needed to be arrived at.
The moment this started getting exposed you adopted an attitude of "Muskharapan" in the last two three pages, while you are understanding everything quite distinctly but cannot "swallow" the truth. San has also runaway from QZ with lame excuses of having not studied.
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Referring to someone as stupid is not in any way ?scholarly?.
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YUSUFALI Say "Is it some one other than Allah that ye order me to worship, O ye ignorant ones?"
PICKTHAL Say (O Muhammad, to the disbelievers) Do ye bid me serve other than Allah? O ye fools!
SHAKIR Say What! Do you then bid me serve others than Allah, O ignorant men?Mazhar A. Nurani You, the Messenger, ask them, " do you people then ask me that I be allegiant to someone other than Allah, O you the emotionalists/blind followers of traditional hearsay?"
Is this called slandering, calling by nicknames?
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YUSUFALI Say "Is it some one other than Allah that ye order me to worship, O ye ignorant ones?"
PICKTHAL Say (O Muhammad, to the disbelievers) Do ye bid me serve other than Allah? O ye fools!
SHAKIR Say What! Do you then bid me serve others than Allah, O ignorant men?Mazhar A. Nurani You, the Messenger, ask them, " do you people then ask me that I be allegiant to someone other than Allah, O you the emotionalists/blind followers of traditional hearsay?"
Is this called slandering, calling by nicknames?
are you being asked to worship other than Allah by those you call 'stupid'?
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Peace
O Mazhar who have taken an elementary course in Arabic,
Go back to reply #78. You haven't addressed it properly.
You mixed your translations of the word nisaa between "women" and "wives" and it is your responsibility to explain the inconsistency.
Raaajah had responded but you avoided it.
San 78
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Let's start with what seems to be a prime example. Verse , with focus on the word"O Maryam! Indeed, Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you over women of the worlds."
"O Maryam! Indeed, Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you over wives of the worlds."
San
Why don't you start with 339, reach at 340 and end at 342
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Raaajah had responded but you avoided it.
Who's the one avoiding it? ) Let me respond to him separately.
Here is your own translation, look for the big, bold, underlined word ...
Al'lah was listening, when the wife of Imr'aan said, "My Sustainer Lord! I have pledged/assigned him who is in my belly, purely and exclusively for You, therefore, You accept it from me.
Certainly You are The Ever Listener, The Knowledgeable".Then, when she delivered her, she said, "My Sustainer Lord! I have delivered her a girl!"; and Allah knew what she had delivered and the male is not like the female; "and I have named her Maryem, and I seek Your refuge for her and her progeny from the accursed Satan"
Thereupon her Sustainer Lord granted her a pleasant acceptance and developed her nicely like nice botanicals and Zakaria took the responsibility of guardian/looking after her.
Each and every time Zakaria had entered the sanctuary to meet her, he always found by her side some of eatables.
He asked, "O Maryam! how/from where you get this sustenance?"
She replied, "That is from the grace of Allah.
Indeed Allah provides sustenance, to whomever He wishes, without measure/cause and effect relationship"There and then Zakaria prayed to His Sustainer Lord. He said, "My Sustainer Lord! grant me from Your grace a nice beneficial offspring. Indeed You listen the prayer".
Therefore there and then while he stood for prayer in the sanctuary angels informed him, "Indeed Allah gives you good news of truthful Yahya with the word/promise of Allah that he will be from amongst the righteous a distinguished dignitary, and steadfast, and is elevated/chosen .
He said, "How for me could be a son while I have already crossed over late age to extremity of age and moreover my wife is infertile?"
He replied, "The reason of so happening is that Allah does any new/innovative act/executes what He likes .
Zakaria said," My Sustainer Lord! appoint for me some visible mark of cognition"
He told him, "the mark of cognition for you is that you will not be able to talk to people for three days except by signaling.
And you remember Allah excessively and recall Him praising at dusk and dawn".And when the Angels told Maryam ?O Mariam! Be informed that indeed Allah has chosen and elevated you, and have made you "pure", and has selected you from amongst all the women in the world. O Maryam! you stand for your Sustainer Lord, and you prostrate and bow along with those who bow (in congregational prayer/Ass-sa'laat)?
O you the Messenger , these are from the news of the past/facts not in your sight/vision which We are communicating to you.
Since/and you were not present amongst them when they were casting lots by throwing their pens to decide who of them should be the guardian of Maryam; nor earlier were you with them when they were arguing amongst themselves for taking responsibility/guardianship of Maryam.When Angels told this to Maryam,
"O Maryam! indeed Allah gives you the good news of the son named Meseiha, Easa son of Maryam, with this word/promise from Him that
he will be respectable and honorable in this world and the hereafter and he will be amongst the near-ones of Allah;and His word/promise is that he will talk to people in cradle and in the state of old age
and he will be amongst the righteous people;
She said, "O my Sustainer Lord! How for me could be a son when till now no man has touched me?"He told her, "This information of getting child in the untouched state is because, Maryam, Allah creates from nothingness whatever He desires/willed;
when He finalizes/decides about any matter/thing the sequel is that He orders for that to become evident/come into existence and resultantly that thing/matter get physical execution/ appearance/existence".http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/003.%20Aale%20Imran/03.%2001--.htm
Let's talk about consistency.
San
Why don't you start with 339, reach at 340 and end at 342
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Yes, dear Raaajah? Are you trying to imply something with that "wa-im'ra-at"?
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Quote from Mazhar on Today at 014954 PM
But what is "inconsistent" in the entire quote you have pasted?only your response to this
Quote from san on September 17, 2010, 014737 PM
there is no word "husband/wife/spouse" in verse 2187.Who told you this? QZ?
I had told this;
Verb Passive; Form IV
is its Ergativeis something which is not desirable in public, since it relates to preliminaries of sex.
But it has restrictively been allowed . Preposition l its general meaning is directional towards an object. Except those husbands who behave like worst animals in sex matters with their wives, all sensible husbands know its meanings and nicities. All Allah fearing husbands have preliminary session to mentally prepare the wife for sex to have her involvement and consent since command is also requiring mutuality. with wife is the preliminaries which will incline her and is the ultimate which is possible only when wife also feels and reaches the multiple............
And many others say this
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YUSUFALI Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments.
PICKTHAL It is made lawful for you to go in unto your wives on the night of the fast. They are raiment for you and ye are raiment for them.
SHAKIR It is made lawful to you to go into your wives on the night of the fast; they are an apparel for you and you are an apparel for them;
Mazhar A. Nurani" Sexual activity had been made permissible for you people during the night of the Fasting for associating towards your wives; -
Who told you this? QZ?
The verse itself told me. There is only the word nisaa' which you translate alternatingly between "women" and "wives".
I had told this;
And many others say this
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YUSUFALI Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments.
PICKTHAL It is made lawful for you to go in unto your wives on the night of the fast. They are raiment for you and ye are raiment for them.
SHAKIR It is made lawful to you to go into your wives on the night of the fast; they are an apparel for you and you are an apparel for them;
Mazhar A. Nurani" Sexual activity had been made permissible for you people during the night of the Fasting for associating towards your wives;Sure, you'll have many others agree with you. If you think these are the "final words", then have it your way. I'm done trying to discuss things with you.
Peace/salaam.
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I?m not saying Yusuf Ali is the final word; far from it, however I will use his translation (as it is traditional) to explain.
?Let not some men (Qoum) among you laugh at others?
?Nor let some women (Nisa) laugh at others?It is clear that Qoum and Nisa are antonyms. Now let?s take a look at your translation
I don't know what else stupidity means.
Please provide an explanation as to how you have come to this conclusion...
I see your vocabulary is limited to the word ?stupid?
So the kind and supportive forum member that I am, I decided to help you remedy this illness. Here are a few words for you to reflect upon
Callous, obnoxious, rude, arrogant, impudent, impertinent, diabolical, infinitesimal, insignificant, impedimental, insolent, insincere, atrocious, sadistic, inhumane, bigot...
...by now the audience may have come to appreciate the subject of which these words are referenced to!
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And QZ conveniently also forgets that verbs are different, for Masculine Noun the verb is masculine, and for women the verb is feminine apart from pronouns.
There is no such thing that a masculine verb is used simultaneously for masculine subject/doer of the act and femiiine subject/doer of the act.
I demand that you immediately begin to write with clarity, as your point has lost its purpose!
If you are indeed stating, that ?Yaskhar? is particularly limited to ?Qoum? because both words are masculine, then please could you clarify what word could be used for ?Nisa?
The verb for women is omitted because of its being too obvious in the subordinate clause of the sentence.
If the word ?Nisa? does not have a verb allocated, as it is ?obvious? as to what is being stated, explain why you have decided to use ?mocking/ridiculing? in your translation?
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YUSUFALI Say "Is it some one other than Allah that ye order me to worship, O ye ignorant ones?"
PICKTHAL Say (O Muhammad, to the disbelievers) Do ye bid me serve other than Allah? O ye fools!
SHAKIR Say What! Do you then bid me serve others than Allah, O ignorant men?Mazhar A. Nurani You, the Messenger, ask them, " do you people then ask me that I be allegiant to someone other than Allah, O you the emotionalists/blind followers of traditional hearsay?"
Is this called slandering, calling by nicknames?
There is a huge difference between Allah and you!
Allah created you and the book!
Allah knows what he is talking about; you ?ASSUME? you know what you?re talking about!
You must be drinking too much zeeshan apple juice, your hallucinations are getting the better of you... so much so that you think you?re equal to Allah.
It?s amazing, I thought you were trying to be Bokhari, and then I thought you were trying to be the rasool, but you overwhelmed my expectations, you went one step further trying to be like Allah!
Now you have a fantasy... to call us stupid, thinking that by belittling us, we will fall beneath your feet and start praying ?namaz? to you.
Sorry Mac, dont like ur "Maskharapan"
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Who told you this? QZ?The verse itself told me. There is only the word nisaa' which you translate alternatingly between "women" and "wives".
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I had told this;
And many others say this
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YUSUFALI Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments.
PICKTHAL It is made lawful for you to go in unto your wives on the night of the fast. They are raiment for you and ye are raiment for them.
SHAKIR It is made lawful to you to go into your wives on the night of the fast; they are an apparel for you and you are an apparel for them;
Mazhar A. Nurani" Sexual activity had been made permissible for you people during the night of the Fasting for associating towards your wives;Sure, you'll have many others agree with you. If you think these are the "final words", then have it your way. I'm done trying to discuss things with you.
Peace/salaam.
San, there is some agreement in between the lines but still reluctance to acept a straight forward fact, and in contrast look at the posts of Bob, he is fast travelling from stupidity to becoming and exposing himself as an idiot.
"Women" are alternatively called "wives" when they are wedded to men. They remain "women" but are still different from other women and are given a distinct name/title as "wives of ......". Is this something too difficult to grasp?
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San, there is some agreement in between the lines but still reluctance to acept a straight forward fact, and in contrast look at the posts of Bob, he is fast travelling from stupidity to becoming and exposing himself as an idiot.
"Women" are alternatively called "wives" when they are wedded to men. They remain "women" but are still different from other women and are given a distinct name/title as "wives of ......". Is this something too difficult to grasp?
Stop bs around, and answer the questions.
The word Nisa doesnt mean WIFE. When women are wedded to men, they are called WIVES. If Allah is talking about WIVES,then he would use the proper word for "wives"- Is it that difficult to grasp, or ur getting to old?
And no, your not Allah. We have seen your lies ,Rafas became disgusting orgasm story, and nisa became women or wife whenever YOU wanted to twist the word of Allah. Shame on you.
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Quote from Mazhar on September 20, 2010, 111812 PM
There is no such thing that a masculine verb is used simultaneously for masculine subject/doer of the act and femiiine subject/doer of the act. Quote from Mazhar on September 20, 2010, 011711 PMAnd QZ conveniently also forgets that verbs are different, for Masculine Noun the verb is masculine, and for women the verb is feminine apart from pronouns. _______
Now answer these questions,
I demand that you immediately begin to write with clarity, as your point has lost its purpose!
If you are indeed stating, that ?Yaskhar? is particularly limited to ?Qoum? because both words are masculine, then please could you clarify what word could be used for ?Nisa?
If the word ?Nisa? does not have a verb allocated, as it is ?obvious? as to what is being stated, explain why you have decided to use ?mocking/ridiculing? in your translation?
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San, there is some agreement in between the lines but still reluctance to acept a straight forward fact, and in contrast look at the posts of Bob, he is fast travelling from stupidity to becoming and exposing himself as an idiot.
And San you may have noticed this change also in the change of avator. Choice of avator reflects one's state of mind also.