I now submit myself to the Sunnah and the authority of hadith
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And just because something isn't the Qur'an doesn't mean it can't have wisdom. Divine wisdom isn't the only wisdom and I can learn from my parents, my siblings, the crazy drunk bum down the street, or even a movie may show me something true about life I'd never considered before.
As I said "Qur'an alone" Muslims can recognise that but then they could also see wisdom in Buddhism and rationality (which is what I mentioned). They don't make laws out of it because it suits them. In the end you will find that you can accept no hadith as obligatory (defeating their purpose for you).
Peace.
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Salaam Jinn,
First of all, dream is just a dream, it could be anything.
And your dream does not tally with any of the dreams in AlQuraan .
Secondly, Allah did not said in AlQuraan that if you saw Prophet Mohammed (AS) in your dream, you have seen him in real. nope
So, how can you suddenly jump to that believe.
Thirdly, you could not able to interpret your dream properly.
You were a submitter to Allah strongly, so you were a lion in your dream. And since 6-8 months you were thinking of whether to follow hadith or not, those are the rats in your body who were cutting you from inside. And finally a rat came out of your body from the back that was a hadith saying that if you see Prophet in your dream that means you have seen him in real.
I did not understand why you asked Allah to show you a DREAM, instead you could ask to show the CORRECT PATH . Allah would have guided you towards it.
Look at the examples of all the Prophets mentioned in AlQuraan / AlKitaab whether any of them asked their people to follow their sunna after them? Everyone of them just asked "Ati Allaha wa Ati-oon" that means "Obey Allah and Obey Me" it is only possible until they were alive.
If their Sunnas have to be stored then what is the use to sending other messengers/prophets to the same people?
Brother, look carefully about the interpretation I made of your dream, inshaAllah, you will understand.
And ask Allah for the TRUE GUIDANCE, He is the all Listener and all Knower. Hold Him tight, inshaAllah you will not get astray.
May Allah guide us all towards Him pr
Mohammed M. KhanWell I've also been praying for guidance to the correct path I didn't JUST ask for a dream lol. I specifically made that prayer when I came across that specific hadith. I pray everyday that I'm following the correct path so having that dream was pretty significant for me. I don't want to ignore God and turn back from the truth no matter WHAT the truth is. I just assumed since I saw Muhammad(pbuh) in the dream that the hadith must be true because my mind instantly went to the hadith about the Prophet appearing in dreams. But yeah you make a good point that I can't really interpret my own dream there could be a thousand interpretations for my dream maybe I need to ask for a dream where Prophet Yusuf explains my dream hahah jk.
Something about your interpretation did hit home for me though about the rats in my body actually representing the hadith since it has been causing me some distress about whether or not to recognize hadith or authoritative and my apprehension about not being accepted by the larger Muslim community if I don't adhere to the Sunnah. But hey that dream could mean a number of things.
On a lot of further thought I believe I will remain Qur'an alone because it doesn't make sense for the hadith to have any divine authority on ANY level be it equal, greater(God forbid), or even lesser than the Qur'an.
There are simply too many inconsistencies in the hadith literature for me to trust it. I believe I'll stick to the Qur'an
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Beautiful story. Focus on the message of the dream. Focus very closely. Find its true meaning within yourself.
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Now suddenly as I'm walking these hell-hounds suddenly turn on me and begin attacking me and killing me. As I'm laying on the ground panicking from fear and dying, a figure of a man appears in the shroud of this intense blazing light and my mind yelled out "Ahmad!" (and in my head it clicked or I decided this was Muhammad) and he came to me and resurrected me by touching me with his light and when I got up he was gone. I'm sure that this was the Prophet the wave of peace that washed over me was so real and palpable when he appeared and the blazing and glorious light he was surrounded by was awe inspiring I might as well have seen him while I was awake
FJ, do you realise how shirk this is? In your moment of trouble you yelled out 'Ahmad' instead of 'Allah? Come on, I agree with you about not being a quranist fundamentalist (like calling sunnis kafirs) but surely the above experience isnt a sign to embrace Sunnah. Muhammad is dead and gone. He cant help no one.
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Hadiths are what others supposedly heard prophet Muhammad say or do. Some things attributed to prophet Muhammad cannot be true. And some things probably are true.
There's nothing wrong in incorporating some hadiths that help you be a better person and getting closer to God. Just as there's nothing wrong in reading self-help books written by people in improving your life and there are lots of them.
But the question is do you believe that the Koran is clear, complete or you also need the hadith? Do you believe that you need hadith to explain and understand the Koran? Do you believe that without the hadiths, you cannot be guided? What is it that you believe?
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Hadiths are what others supposedly heard prophet Muhammad say or do. Some things attributed to prophet Muhammad cannot be true. And some things probably are true.
There's nothing wrong in incorporating some hadiths that help you be a better person and getting closer to God. Just as there's nothing wrong in reading self-help books written by people in improving your life and there are lots of them.
But the question is do you believe that the Koran is clear, complete or you also need the hadith? Do you believe that you need hadith to explain and understand the Koran? Do you believe that without the hadiths, you cannot be guided? What is it that you believe?
U can't say u use hadith to explain the quran, because in this case, the hadith become the master book, a book of authority over the quran, it sould be otherwise, it's the quran that explains things, including hadiths if u want to study hadith or any other book, it's the quran that tells what's right and what's wrong with other books, nt other books telll us what's right and what's wrong in the quran
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FJ, do you realise how shirk this is? In your moment of trouble you yelled out 'Ahmad' instead of 'Allah? Come on, I agree with you about not being a quranist fundamentalist (like calling sunnis kafirs) but surely the above experience isnt a sign to embrace Sunnah. Muhammad is dead and gone. He cant help no one.
LOL well when I see Muhammad(pbuh) I'm not going to yell out Allah! I think that would be the shirk. I saw the figure before I yelled out his name... not like that even matters. Why I'm even arguing this insignificant point I don't even know. Man you guys like to nitpick some ridiculous things, accusing me of shirk... Puh-lease
And no I don't think I need hadith to be guided I didn't even really know what hadith were until midway through last year I wasn't raised Muslim so when I converted I began studying the Qur'an and never had any exposure to hadith until I was told my tattoos were haram and someone pointed me toward the hadith. At this point I had been praying and reading the Qur'an for about 8 months and didn't understand why I had to listen to more rules LOL it was hard enough for me to quit drinking and smoking but recently I wasn't sure if I was on the right path since the majority of Muslims are Sunni.
That's what really made me think twice a week ago I was talking to someone about why I reject hadith and he said "So do you think you're right or the majority of Muslims who have been practicing Islam for the past 1400 years?". Kind of set me on my heels with that statement I began to wonder and question if I was really submitting or if I was rebelling.
Need to learn to become comfortanble and firm in my convictions as originally I always thought the Qur'an was enough and that nothing else was directly divine as the Qur'an. Which is my main issue with hadith. Whether or not there is some truth in some hadith, they have no divine authority and therefore I have no religious obligation in adhering to them. Now that that's off my chest...
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Salam,
That's what really made me think twice a week ago I was talking to someone about why I reject hadith and he said "So do you think you're right or the majority of Muslims who have been practicing Islam for the past 1400 years?". Kind of set me on my heels with that statement I began to wonder and question if I was really submitting or if I was rebelling.
The answer is "absolutely". Majority has no bearing on the truth. Truth stands on its own.
Also, when u get this common question (u think your right and for 1400 years people are wrong), simply flip it around and ask the Sunni/Shite "is Jesus the son of God". The immediate answer is "of course not". So, u ask "how could they all be wrong for 2,000 years!". Time and numbers are not a factor to truth.
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As for everyone who laughed and poked fun you remind me exactly of the atheists I would argue with who would refuse to understand what it means to have faith and ask me to "prove" God or tell me my belief in God is irrational. I can't prove God is real nor can I prove that it was truly Muhammad(pbuh) that I saw in my dream. I can't be made to rationalize every aspect of my beliefs nor do I need to.
What's wrong with the 'atheist'?
The so-called 'atheist' are not faithless at all, I know some of them and infact they do share a lot of principles with me.
For instance; they do believes that
"There should be no compulsory in belief, and everyone are free to believe whatever they wanted, as truth actually stands out clear from error"
Those principle are infact laid out in the Quran..Many of the so-called 'atheist' are actually those who have been exposed to erroneous and bizarre concept of a deity which actually doesn't exist.
In many aspect or perspectives I AM an Atheist..
IF God/Theos = a deity in heaven who came down in human beings and died for our sins
IF God/Theos = a deity with presence in a cubicle structure which we need to pay homage there.
IF God/Theos = a deity who demanded a human sacrifice
THEN I AM an A-THEIST of such Theoses / Gods.Can any one of you "prove" that the Qur'an is from God no you really can't because if you could without a doubt prove it then almost everyone would be Muslim.
We cannot and it doesn't matter!
As TRUTH are TRUTH and FALSEHOOD are FALSEHOOD no matter where they came from..If you truly understand what does 'muslim' means..
Everyone at one point in time could and could not be a MUSLIM person.
Just like everyone at one point in time could and could not be an HONEST person.
Minds you that Jesus, Abraham and others never read the Quran yet in the Quran they're being referenced as muslim..As for which hadith to follow I'd have to do further research but yeah having a dream and seeing the Prophet(pbuh) really makes me question if all the hadith are false in light of the hadith about dreams but I will remain vigilant in my lifelong search for truth and obviously will be doing more research into the Qur'an and hadith that will hopefully either refute or verify my suspicions.
Research other topics as well.. read out the Sunni's Hadith, Shiites Hadiths, Torah, Gospel, Talmud, Pesshita, Veda, Tao Te Ching, Arab Pagan beliefs, Celtic pagan beliefs and others..
Maintain a 'critical thinking' attitude, widen your horizon, see things from many angles.. and learn to differentiate truth from falsehood yourself.. by exposing yourself to both of them..
And by God's will, you shall become wiser..At the end of the day, make sure that you APPLY those things which you belief as GOOD in your everyday life.
That's what really matter the most..Thank you everyone who responded to my experience, whether you agreed or disagreed, with a modicum of respect.
You're welcome..
Salam / Peace
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What's wrong with the 'atheist'?
The so-called 'atheist' are not faithless at all, I know some of them and infact they do share a lot of principles with me.
For instance; they do believes that
"There should be no compulsory in belief, and everyone are free to believe whatever they wanted, as truth actually stands out clear from error"
Those principle are infact laid out in the Quran..Many of the so-called 'atheist' are actually those who have been exposed to erroneous and bizarre concept of a deity which actually doesn't exist.
In many aspect or perspectives I AM an Atheist..
IF God/Theos = a deity in heaven who came down in human beings and died for our sins
IF God/Theos = a deity with presence in a cubicle structure which we need to pay homage there.
IF God/Theos = a deity who demanded a human sacrifice
THEN I AM an A-THEIST of such Theoses / Gods.While I agree many atheists are those who have been exposed to erroneous and bizarre concepts of a deity (like Christian trinity) and thus they spurn God, that doesn't mean they have faith because many of them after deciding the Christian God is not true decide that the idea of the Islamic God or ANY KIND of God is equally ridiculous without doing the proper research or being exposed to only public opinion, hearsay, or propaganda.
What's wrong with an atheist is they demand proof for something that cannot be proven using earthly evidence and they are firm in their disbelief. Which is different than an agnostic who acknowledges that God may or may not exist. The way I perceive it, it is not that they don't seek God, but they believe themselves self-sufficient and WON"T seek God. When I have spoken to certain atheists about my personal experiences and how I came to believe in God and subsequently in Islam I have been met with sarcasm and haughty laughs because they are so firm in their disbelief and their arrogance that they could not even open themselves up to entertain the idea of a Supreme God or the idea that any organized religion is true.
I would hardly call that faith.
We cannot and it doesn't matter!
As TRUTH are TRUTH and FALSEHOOD are FALSEHOOD no matter where they came from..If you truly understand what does 'muslim' means..
Everyone at one point in time could and could not be a MUSLIM person.
Just like everyone at one point in time could and could not be an HONEST person.
Minds you that Jesus, Abraham and others never read the Quran yet in the Quran they're being referenced as muslim..My point exactly. It doesn't matter! I wasn't asking for anyone to prove anything I was making a point. My statement was a response to people asking me to prove the hadith come from God or that the hadith have some basis in truth which I thought was a stupid question since none of us were alive in the 7th century can actually prove or disprove that. Which goes back to my shpeel about atheists. They hide behind rationality and logic and are firm in their disbelief because neither I nor anyone else can prove to them that God exists. It says in the Qur'an that had God manifested his miracles before their eyes or sent down angels the disbelievers would still call it a clear enchantment. But like you said that doesn't change the truth. Truth is truth and falsehood is falsehood.
And yes that is an excellent point about Jesus, Abraham etc. that I've always agreed about. Islam began when the human race began. Since Adam was created Islam has also existed. Islam cannot be confined to just one book, or certain sayings, or one group in one region, or one time period.
Islam is the universal religion of man and it is not only that but also a natural law that all living beings and every atom of the universe submit to Allah (one way or another).
Research other topics as well.. read out the Sunni's Hadith, Shiites Hadiths, Torah, Gospel, Talmud, Pesshita, Veda, Tao Te Ching, Arab Pagan beliefs, Celtic pagan beliefs and others..
Maintain a 'critical thinking' attitude, widen your horizon, see things from many angles.. and learn to differentiate truth from falsehood yourself.. by exposing yourself to both of them..
And by God's will, you shall become wiser..At the end of the day, make sure that you APPLY those things which you belief as GOOD in your everyday life.
That's what really matter the most..Agreed. I've always had an interest in mythology and religion no matter where it comes from not just Islam. Probably why I received an A in my History of World Religion class last semester
Salam / Peace
Likewise
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In your dream, you are calling for what you are sure is Prophet Muhammad but then I don't understand why you would not want to hang on to what Prophet Muhammad left behind for us to follow (the Koran) instead of turning to what Abu huraira, ayesha, and others supposedly said that were supposedly transmitted through people that Bukhari compiled and put together?
Prophet Muhammad was a responsible person and if the Koran was not clear about how to do wudu, salat, or anything else, and as God said we are to follow Prophet Muhammad, don't you think that Prophet Muhammad would have written down in details instructions on every matter for us to 'follow' instead of leaving to others to memorize, write down snippets of what they saw Prophet do or say supposedly and leave it for the 'responsible' Bukhari to use his chain of commands methodology to collect these sayings and doings of the prophet?
God tells us to follow Muhammad, and not what Abu huraira and others saw or said about Muhammad. Your dream is profound but I don't agree or understand your interpretation of it. Hadiths are not the words of Muhammad. They are the words of other people.
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Forget everything...
Everything clears up!
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HO...LY...CRAP. Read the 4 pages. Some heat up in this joint! O0
But the points...oh the points...I just love them. To Jafar, same. I am an atheist as well...in...false beliefs, so I quite love it myself when a rabbinical priest (read imam) calls me a kaffir (has not happened...but I would nod at his dumbass) as it could only be a compliment when one tells you that you don't believe that which is man-made, thus sexist, and especially ignorant considering the time in which it was written.
Oh and the bandwagon argument gets me every time. You want to bring majority into this?
There are more "true" (read blind-following, hence false) Christians on Earth then there are muslims. Let's face it. Muslims now are probably more in "number" because they multiply rapidly in third-world countries, while most of these innocent kids end up getting forced into Islam (the females should be pitied the most for obvious reasons). No one gets to choose their beliefs there.
I doubt Christianity is anywhere close to this. For the most part, you have to make a decision to accept God and whatever (believe this is what "baptism" is about) and we all know if anything, Islam is the religion most eager (read arrogant) to come out on top over the other two "monotheistic" religions, and will use one among their infinite retarded fallacies in cases such as which religion has more practicers.
Since now FJ that it seems you don't quite mean what you do in your title, I would think you'd want a moderator to change it to "I think we may learn something from hadith/sunna now", or something. ;D
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HO...LY...CRAP. Read the 4 pages. Some heat up in this joint! O0
But the points...oh the points...I just love them. To Jafar, same. I am an atheist as well...in...false beliefs, so I quite love it myself when a rabbinical priest (read imam) calls me a kaffir (has not happened...but I would nod at his dumbass) as it could only be a compliment when one tells you that you don't believe that which is man-made, thus sexist, and especially ignorant considering the time in which it was written.
Oh and the bandwagon argument gets me every time. You want to bring majority into this?
There are more "true" (read blind-following, hence false) Christians on Earth then there are muslims. Let's face it. Muslims now are probably more in "number" because they multiply rapidly in third-world countries, while most of these innocent kids end up getting forced into Islam (the females should be pitied the most for obvious reasons). No one gets to choose their beliefs there.
I doubt Christianity is anywhere close to this. For the most part, you have to make a decision to accept God and whatever (believe this is what "baptism" is about) and we all know if anything, Islam is the religion most eager (read arrogant) to come out on top over the other two "monotheistic" religions, and will use one among their infinite retarded fallacies in cases such as which religion has more practicers.
Since now FJ that it seems you don't quite mean what you do in your title, I would think you'd want a moderator to change it to "I think we may learn something from hadith/sunna now", or something. ;D
Yes the title is different to what is written here...vindicating anyone who mocked
Peace.
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HO...LY...CRAP. Read the 4 pages. Some heat up in this joint! O0
But the points...oh the points...I just love them. To Jafar, same. I am an atheist as well...in...false beliefs, so I quite love it myself when a rabbinical priest (read imam) calls me a kaffir (has not happened...but I would nod at his dumbass) as it could only be a compliment when one tells you that you don't believe that which is man-made, thus sexist, and especially ignorant considering the time in which it was written.
Oh and the bandwagon argument gets me every time. You want to bring majority into this?
There are more "true" (read blind-following, hence false) Christians on Earth then there are muslims. Let's face it. Muslims now are probably more in "number" because they multiply rapidly in third-world countries, while most of these innocent kids end up getting forced into Islam (the females should be pitied the most for obvious reasons). No one gets to choose their beliefs there.
I doubt Christianity is anywhere close to this. For the most part, you have to make a decision to accept God and whatever (believe this is what "baptism" is about) and we all know if anything, Islam is the religion most eager (read arrogant) to come out on top over the other two "monotheistic" religions, and will use one among their infinite retarded fallacies in cases such as which religion has more practicers.
Since now FJ that it seems you don't quite mean what you do in your title, I would think you'd want a moderator to change it to "I think we may learn something from hadith/sunna now", or something. ;D
LOL yes this topic title should change thanks for those arguments to keep me thinking logically. The more I think about it the more I can't imagine how following only the Qur'an can in any way be wrong. To say so is in fact insulting and demeaning the blessings and bounties the Qur'an has.
I'll just have to stand up to the Sunnis who call me a kaffir or look at me as a half-Muslim from now on.
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about standing up, i tell people who say that I am a kaffir or follower of satan or committing shirk....
I follow what prophet Muhammad said and not what abu huraira, ayesha, etc said. If that makes me a kaffir, then all I have to say is to you your way, to me my way. I don't worship what you worship and you don't worship what I worship.
My worship and my obedience is to God and at the end, I will return to God and have to answer to Him. I believe the Koran is the word of God who has made it clear of punishment for imputing lies about Him. When God says the Koran is complete, His words are sufficient to me.
You know, majority of the 'sunni' just believe without questioning. When I first opened up a book of hadith, I was expecting a book of instructions on how to do wudu, salat and you can imagine my surprise. If you are going to stand up to the sunni, stick with the subject (not jumping all over the place) and have them answer to what they claim. Since the Koran left out details on how to do salat, wudu, etc....ask them for the hadiths that do.
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While I agree many atheists are those who have been exposed to erroneous and bizarre concepts of a deity (like Christian trinity) and thus they spurn God, that doesn't mean they have faith because many of them after deciding the Christian God is not true decide that the idea of the Islamic God or ANY KIND of God is equally ridiculous without doing the proper research or being exposed to only public opinion, hearsay, or propaganda.
Agree.. and a correction; there are no such thing as "Islamic God".. God doesn't islam, everything are islam-ing to Him/It.
What's wrong with an atheist is they demand proof for something that cannot be proven using earthly evidence and they are firm in their disbelief. Which is different than an agnostic who acknowledges that God may or may not exist. The way I perceive it, it is not that they don't seek God, but they believe themselves self-sufficient and WON"T seek God.
The 'demand proof for anything' is actually the 'things' which I like on 'the atheists' which is quite the opposite of those 'blind faith lambs'. Again I understand 'their view' due to the past historical / experience reasons (exposed to bizarre concepts of deity). As such in their minds the word "GOD" are mapped to those bizarre deity.
However upon asked whether they think that there's something which is
"eternal, unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the foundation of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe"
And you shall get quite a lot of interesting answers from them.. which closely resembled to "YES"..Those 'definition' are actually the description of "BRAHMAN" (Sanskrit Grow/Grower), the "Supreme Thing" found within Hinduism culture.
Again, translation of languages are worsening the 'confusion' of the "God" word understanding..
The word "DEVA" in Sanskrit are being translated to God which is incorrect... just like the word "Son of God" are being grossly mis-interpreted by those who are not familiar with Judaeic culture.. but perhaps more on this later.. if you're interested.
Those mis-understanding creates more confusion which resulted in "Atheistic" people..When I have spoken to certain atheists about my personal experiences and how I came to believe in God and subsequently in Islam I have been met with sarcasm and haughty laughs because they are so firm in their disbelief and their arrogance that they could not even open themselves up to entertain the idea of a Supreme God or the idea that any organized religion is true.
See the explanation above, sometime the understanding of the word "God" by itself create a misconception..
And I do share the opinion with them in this matter that "no organized religion are actually true"..
Even a lot of people on this forum who claimed to be "Quran alone" / "God alone" doesn't open themselves up to entertain the idea from 'another view point', which is understandable as it is actually one of the basic traits of homo sapiens..I would hardly call that faith.
They don't believe in strange-deity yes..
But it's hard to say that any human doesn't have "faith", as "hope" are actually "faith" as well..And yes that is an excellent point about Jesus, Abraham etc. that I've always agreed about. Islam began when the human race began. Since Adam was created Islam has also existed. Islam cannot be confined to just one book, or certain sayings, or one group in one region, or one time period.
Correction.. Islam(tm) - the trademark which was being claimed by the sunnis, begin around 1300 years ago... however islam doesn't have any beginning.
islam is an attitude / a character not an entity.. as thus the concept of "lifespan" (begin and ends) cannot be applied to it..
Does 'honesty' had any beginnings?Islam is the universal religion of man and it is not only that but also a natural law that all living beings and every atom of the universe submit to Allah (one way or another).
Again, islam is not a religion or cult or sect, islam is an attitude / character.
And islam is definitely not a 'natural law'... but yes everything are islam-ing to THE SUPREME THING whatever they realized it or not.. willingly or unwillingly. Those who are islam-ing willingly are called muslim..Agreed. I've always had an interest in mythology and religion no matter where it comes from not just Islam. Probably why I received an A in my History of World Religion class last semester
Congratulations on your excellent grade, but again islam is not a religion.
And I have described the definition of "GROWER" on my response above, which perhaps shall add more to your interest...Salam / Peace
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Salam everyone and Faithful-Jinn!
This is a matter of Authorization from Allah. I hope we know what the terminology "Authorization from Allah" means.
Read and see what does Allah mean by "Authorization from Allah"-----"They are not but (mere) names which you have named, you and your forefathers, Allah has sent down no Authority for that. They follow not except a guess and that which (they) themselves desire. Although, surely there has come to them Guidance from their Lord." (Al-Najam-23)
Allah authorized a human being as His Last Prophet. So, we have Faith in it that Muhammad (SAW) is the last Prophet of Allah.
Allah certified the companions of the last Prophet as rightly guided and blessed. So, we have Faith in it.
First of all, we have Iman in Allah, that is why we have Iman in everything that Allah Authorized.
For example, Allah issued an Authorized Order for the Angels to bow before Adam. Because the angels had Faith in Allah, that is why they immediately bowed before Adam. But Iblees refused to accept the Authorized Order of Allah and didn't bow, and was cursed forever.-----So the thing that matters, is what Allah authorized. Bowing is only to Allah, but the angels bowed before Adam because Allah authorized this act.
So, Authorization from Allah. Where is the Authorization from Allah for anything that we claim. And if there is no Authorization from Allah, then it is a guesswork.
Allah didn't Authorize Umar bin Khattaab as His Prophet. So, the ummah will never accept Umar bin Khattaab as a Prophet.-----Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim, etc. were not Authorized and Certified by Allah to compile books of the Messenger's sayings.-----Then how can their books of ahadith for which Allah never Revealed any Authorization, be Authorized, Trustworthy and a Source of Deen?
-----"They are not but (mere) names which you have named, you and your forefathers, Allah has sent down no Authority for that. They follow not except a guess and that which (they) themselves desire. Although, surely there has come to them Guidance from their Lord." (Al-Najam-23)
Did Allah Authorize in His Exalted Quran, the words "Sihah Sittah", "Sahih Al-Bukhari", "Sahih Al-Muslim", "Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jamah", "Salafee", etc, etc???-----No, not at all.---Then who authorized Imam Bukhari to do which the Messenger himself never did, and which his rightly guided Companions never dared to do.
Yes, although there has come to us The Guidance (Authorized Al-Quran only) from our Lord, but still, we don't verify from The Quran what our millions of big-ones (Imams) of the ummah issue as Deen.If someone clearly refuses to accept Imam Bukhari and his book as "Authorized Source of Deen", what would you say?---On what ground would you issue a fatawah against him?---What Authority from Allah do you have to call him a "kafir" or "out of Islam"?---"They follow not except a guess and that which (they) themselves desire"---If we don't have any Authorization from Allah's Quran, then it is merely a guesswork, and nothing but a guesswork, no matter how many millions and millions of big scholars of past and present support it.
Man, in spite of all his hallmark achievements, is nothing but an absolute zero. Finally, into the dust to become dust.
All those millions and millions of scholars, past and present, died and will die, and will become earth into the earth, and they will be raised again and questioned about what they said and did.Is it wise,---Is it wise,---again, Is it wise to obey those who will be questioned---Or---Is it wise to obey The One, Who will question???
Is it wise to obey those who are given---Or---Is it wise to obey The One, Who gives???
Is it wise to obey those who are being watched---Or---Is it wise to obey The One, Who is watching and writing???In all ages, uncertified people have always passed on "uncertified things" as Deen. Those unathorized people have always put forward unauthorized sayings as the source of Deen. And people who are fearless of Allah's Strong Hold, have always put their faith in those uncertified things as a source of Deen.
Just imagine, Imam Bukhari never saw, met and talked to the Messenger, and as such he couldn't. Yet he claimed to compile the sayings of the Messenger which he never heard with his own ears from the Messenger. And that Unauthorized compilation is claimed and accepted by millions of scholars and the ummah as the explanation of The Authorized Quran.
Unauthorized explanations of An Authorized Quran!!!
Unauthorized books of Unauthorized Imams.
-----Allah's Quran does not Certifies and Authorizes Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim and such people.The big-ones of the ummah say man-made books of ahadith are not Unauthorized.----Okay! If they are not unauthorized, then who Authorized them?-----Where in Al-Quran it says that, alongwith Al-Quran, the ummah have to follow the extra-Quranic sayings of the Messenger?!!
((1))---People say in Al-Quran, Allah has ordered us to obey the Messenger, and you say that following Al-Bukhari and Sihah Sittah are the obedience to the Messenger.-----Did Allah Authorize Sahih Al-Bukhari as the Obedience to the Messenger?---No!---Then what is the Clear Authority in favour of this claim? If there is no Divine Authority from Allah, then this is nothing but mere conjecture-----We should fear Allah!
((2))---People say man-made books of ahadith are Al-Hikmah. Who said this?---Did Allah say this?---No!---Then this is nothing but mere conjecture.-----We should fear Allah!
((3))---It is said that the extra-Quranic sayings of the Messenger are "Hidden Wahee".-----Did Allah Authorize that extra-Quranic sayings of the Messenger are "Hidden Wahee"???Now read and contemplate
((1))-----Allah, in His Safe, Holy and Exalted Quran has ordered us to obey the Messenger, and not the Prophet. Where ever Allah ordered us to obey the Messenger in The Quran, Allah used the word "Messenger", and not "Prophet". A Messenger is always with The Message. It clearly means that we have to obey the Messenger by obeying The Message.
Allah has never ordered us to follow the extra-Quranic sayings of the Messenger.-----"Follow (O mankind) that which has been sent down to you from your Lord, and do not follow besides Him any awliyah (their books). Little it is you remember." (Al-Aaraaf-3)-----
It is very much clear form the above verse---and do not follow besides Him any awliyah ---means follow Allah, and following Allah means follow what Allah has sent down, that is Al-Quraan only.-----And following any awliyah means following their written or compiled books. So, it is forbidden because it is shirk.
So, Allah ordered to obey the Messenger. And also Allah ordered to follow "The Message".-----So, obeying the Messenger, and following The Message, are the same thing.-----Obey the Messenger by following The Message that he brought.
Doesn't this directly go into the mind (intellect) and then into the heart?-----Peep into your heart, and you will find The Truth there.((2))---Allah is Hakeem. His Book is Al-Hikmah.
Allah is The Most Wise. His Book is The Wisdom.
The Messenger himself took The Wisdom from Allah's Quran, and taught to others.((3))---Nowhere in The Quran, Allah said the extra-Quranic sayings of the Messenger is "Hidden Wahee".
The Message is more important than the Messenger. That is why the Messenger passed away, but The Message remains with the ummah. But the ummah have forgotten The Message, and is after the Messenger's sayings, and the Messenger is not with them.-----Isn't it so?---Say-----"Yes it so!"
The Messenger was given the designation of "The Messenger". So he was and is, the Messenger, in his life and also after his death.-----But if the Messenger had been given the designation of "The Explainer of Al-Quran", then Allah would have kept him alive until Al-Qiyamah to explain The Quran for the ummah.---But we know that the Messenger is no more with the ummah after his death. Now who will explain Al-Quran for them?---In fact, Allah's Quran is for the mankind, and It is Self-explanatory. Because there is no need of an explainer of a Self-explanatory Quran, that is why Allah called the Messenger back, and let His Exalted and easy-to-understand Quran with the ummah.
Indeed, until the Messenger was alive, no one was better than him to explain The Message. He used to explain Al-Quran from within Al-Quran. Now the Messenger is no more with us.-----Okay! You read The Quran, and you will understand everything. There is no need of Sahih Al-Bukhari, any tafseer or teacher.
The Messenger is the Messenger for his ummah and the mankind until Al-Qiyamah. But he was an explainer of Al-Quran for the Sahaba.-----After the Messenger's death, the Sahaba themselves contemplated in Al-Quran and solved their problems and ran their matters.
And if the Messenger is the Explainer of Al-Quran for the ummah until Al-Qiyamah, then where is the Messenger? He is not with the ummah, because he has died. And the books which Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim compiled using the name of the Messenger, can never be the replacement of the Messenger, because the Messenger himself never narrated those ahadith to Imam Bukhari. Even Imam Bukhari heard the ahadith form someone who himself never heard the Messenger narrating his ahadith.
Allah didn't send down any Verse to Authorize Imam Bukhari's work as "The Second Source of Deen".-----And the Messenger never put his "Signature of Attestation" or never put his "Seal of Authorization" on Imam Bukhari's book.-------Unauthorized books of Unauthorized Imams.
Now, call your intellect and think for a moment, the Sahaba took Guidance from Al-Quran in their own specific environment, surroundings and the things they used. We will never find aero planes, computers, machines, space technology, etc. in their times. Now we are in a different environment with different things to use, so we will take Guidance from Allah's Quran in accordance with our needs.
Indeed, the matter of "Faith in Allah", and "Behaviourism" is the same for all times, and these matters are discussed to the last detail in Allah's Quran. Rest of the things are related to the environments in which people of different times live.-----If we try to look and implement those specific applications of Quran that was applied at the time of Sahaba, we will be perplexed. We have to implement Al-Quran in our own surroundings and environments.
Allah will not question us about the old days, horses, donkeys, swords, etc. Allah will question us about the applications of Al-Quran in our times, environment, things, computers, space technology, modern equipments and their usage.
The Messenger and his rightly guided Sahaba set an example of taking Guidance from Allah's Quran in their times and environment, and the specific things they used.
Now it is up to us to set an example of taking Guidance from Allah's Quran according to our own time, environment, and the specific things that we use.
Remember, the Specific environment and Specific things that people use, in their times, create specific problems for them. And their problems may not be the problems for next generations.-----Sahaba rode horses, camels, donkeys, but we don't.----We travel on motor bikes, trains, and aero planes, but Sahaba didn't.
Now, since, Allah's Quran is A Guidance for all times, places and environments, so all the generations will take Guidance from Allah's Quran to solve their problems and settle their matters that exist in their environments.
Did you see, time, environment and things, change-----but Allah's Guidance (Al-Quran) remains unchanged. This is The Proof that Allah's Quran is Supreme over all times and all environments.
The people of the ummah who were without Sahih Al-Bukhari, they were The Super Power of their time (Sahaba only). Weren't they?---Yes, they were.-----And today the ummah is with Sahih Al-Bukhari, and they are the slaves of the non-muslims. Beggars at their doors.----Haram sects. Fighting with each other. Humiliation, Downfall, Terrorism, Mysticism, Corrupt Rulers and Misguided Religious Scholars---Why???-----Because the ummah today have no love for "The Only Certified and Authorized Source of Deen, Al-Quran."
The ummah, 200 years after the death of the Messenger, have found for themselves another quran.
Read and contemplate-----"And when Our Verses are recited to them as clear Evidence, those who hope not for their meeting with Us, say ?Bring a quran other than this (Quran), or make
changes in this (Quran).? Say (O Messenger) ?It is not for me to change It on my own accord. I follow not but that which is revealed unto me. Indeed, I fear, if I were to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Great Day.? (Younus15)So, the liars couldn't stand the Straight, Clear and Easy-to-understand Instructions of Allah's Quran. They demanded---?Bring a quran other than this (Quran), or make changes in this (Quran)."---The Messenger refused and said---?It is not for me to change It (Allah's Quran) on my own accord. I follow not but that which is revealed unto me. Indeed, I fear, if I were to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Great Day.?---
And look, ---what the Messenger never did, ---and what the rightly guided Sahaba never did,-----it is the Persian Imam Bukhari and Persian Imam Muslim who did it. And the ummah and their scholars fall on it like flies fall on sweets.
And to make it more impressive, they claimed that Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Al-Muslim are from Allah (Hidden Revelation).
-----"Then woe be to those who write the Scripture (man-made books of shariah, ahadith) with their own hands, then they say, ?This is from Allah, (they say man-made books of ahadith are also Wahee, means from Allah)? that they may sell it for a small price. Woe be to them for that which their hands have written, and woe be to them for that which they earn." (Al-Buqarah-79)Big Imaams, allaamas, scholars and leaders fabricated a big Lie, and declared from their own desire, that unauthorized man-made books of ahadith Bukhari, Muslim and others are The Second Source of Islaam. What they said and still say, is not authorized by a Divine Authority from Allah. And anything which is not approved by Allah, is nothing but Lie, Fabrication and Sorcery (Jadoo, Magic).
-----"Those who do not believe in Allah's Verses, only they invent falsehood. And it is they, who are the liars." (Al-Nahl-105)
-----"Woe unto each sinful liar." (Al-Jasia-7)-----"The Quraan is not a fabricated Hadith but a confirmation of what has existed before it, and a detailed explanation of everything, and A Guidance, and A Mercy for the people who believe." (Yousuf-111)
Allah is confirming, that His Quraan is not a fabricated hadith, whereas, Allah didn't confirm Imaam Bukhari, Imaam Muslim or other man-made books of ahadith that they are not fabricated. And when Allah is saying that His Quraan is not fabricated, then only Allah's Quraan is not fabricated. Else are, for sure, fabricated.
There are many examples in The Quraan, where Allah gave His Judgement about one thing, but the same Judgement was not given about any other thing. Then the thing which has Allah's Judgement in its favour is authorized, else are unauthorized. For Example-----"And what We have revealed to you (O Muhammad) of the Book, it is The Truth." (Faatir-31)
So, here in this verse Allah says that His revealed Book, The Quraan is The Truth. Allah certified only His revealed Quraan as The Truth. So, The Quraan is The Only Book of Truth. No other book (Imaam Bukhari, Imaam Muslim, etc) is the book of Truth, because they have no Divine Certificate from Allah as The Book of Truth.
Same way only Allah's Quraan is not a fabricated book, other than Al-Quraan, Imaam Bukhari, Imaam Muslim, Musnavi-e-Roomi, etc, are all, for sure, fabricated. It's a serious matter. It is a matter of Tauheed and shirk. It is a matter of Paradise or Hell. And because of the seriousness of this matter, Allah confirmed for His humble slaves that His Quraan is not a fabricated book, they must believe in It. Other than The Quraan, Allah didn't confirm any other book as "not fabricated." Then how can Allah's momin say that Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sahih Al-Muslim are not fabricated, because Allah didn't say this.Couldn't the Messenger write his own explanations of Quran with his own hand?---Yes, he could.-------But the Messenger never wrote his own explanations of Al-Quran with his own hand, and even never ordered his righteous and rightly guided Sahaba to pen down his extra-Quranic sayings.
What is Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sahih Al-Muslim and Sihah Sitta?--The big-ones of the Ummah say these are the Hadith of the Messenger.---Don't they know that in The Sight of Allah these are not at all the Hadith of the Messenger?---If only the ummah had read Allah's Quran, they would have known that in The Sight of Allah, Al-Quran is the Hadith of the Messenger.
---"This (Quran) is the Hadith (Qol) of a Noble Messenger." (Al-Haqqaa-40)---
Allah has declared that The Hadith of His Exalted Messenger is Al-Quraan.--That's it.--Allah has put an end to all disputes with His Verse.---But still, if someone disputes and declares that Bukhari and Muslim are the hadith of the Messenger, because the "misled big-ones" of the ummah declare so, then he is disputing with Allah's Clear and Easy-to-understand Verse. He is an enemy of Allah and His Messenger.
---"This (Quran) is the Hadith (Qol) of a Noble Messenger." (Al-Haqqaa-40)---
Yes, only Al-Quran alone, and not at all Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Al-Muslim.--So sad, the whole ummah is fighting against Allah and His Messenger, because they don't have Imaan in what Allah declares in His Quran---"This (Quran) is the Hadith (Qol) of a Noble Messenger." (Al-Haqqaa-40)---and the Messenger said in, what is his Hadith------"This (Quran) is the Hadith (Qol) of a Noble Messenger." (Al-Haqqaa-40)---
So, when Allah and His Exalted Messenger are declaring that Al-Quran is the Hadith of the Messenger, then why the "misled big-ones" of the ummah demand to accept Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Al-Muslim as the hadith of the Messenger??? -----Do they want others to do open Kufr of Allah and His Messenger?-----Do the big-ones want others to stand against Allah and His Messenger? If they have taken their big-ones (Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim) as their rubbs, why they invite others to commit the same Shirk?---Do they not fear Allah?--Oh, no!---Do they not use their intellect?--No, not at all!
Contemplate, when Allah has already declared that---"This (Quran) is the Hadith (Qol) of a Noble Messenger." (Al-Haqqaa-40)---then how can Allah's momin go against Allah's Clear Declaration by having Imaan that Bukhari and Muslim are the hadith of the Messenger? How can he become a Kafir of Allah, by accepting Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Al-Muslim the hadith of the Messenger??? When Allah never mentioned the name of Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Al-Muslim in His Safe, Holy and Supreme Quran, then how can a truthful slave of Allah, without any proof, accept them as anything of any importance?
Why do some people always call people to follow the Unauthorized books of ahadith?
Dear brother, Faithful-Jinn, your dream is your personal experience. It is not for us to follow.
Rather, for all of us, It is only and only Allah's Quran, which must be followed.Allah's Quran---and---your dream,---Allah's Quran is above your dream and Allah's Quran is The Authorization.
Even for you, your unauthorized dream is nothing, and Allah's Quran is everything.
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Too long, didn't read.
Though I bet, it's one of the most well thought-out and constructed posts detailing why the Quran is the only legit divine source. ;D
Peace and God bless. No, I'm not trying to shunt harams or avoid rules, which is what you'll see a sunni accuse you and others of.
-Edit- Actually read a good part of that. I'm saving that post if you don't mind since you make very good points, most of which I've kind of seen before and which I myself kind of argued in the past as well.
Peace.
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Dear All,
It may happen during one's development, quite naturally, that one sways back and forth between different ideas/extremes/interpretations. It allows you to get to know different schools of thought, which is necessary in order to compare and evaluate them.
This swaying often happens out of FEAR. This is also natural. One wants to do the right thing, believe the right thing, but you don't have enough knowledge and intellectual experience to decide what to believe in or in what direction to go. FEAR that you might be wrong... FEAR from the punishments people threaten you with if you don't follow their school of thought.... and FEAR can paralyze you, inhibit your thinking and reasoning capacity.
What is important is that one honestly want the TRUTH, whatever it may be, and search and pray for it. Truth is truth and we should want it whatever it looks like (without first deciding what we want it to look like). Then it is safer to sway back and forth a bit while you try to see clearly and align yourself with the right path.
People are stuck in their religions (this is my personal opinion) mostly due to FEAR and due to the incredibly powerful forces of HABIT and desire for SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE.
just my two cents on why people can shift between contradicting religions/ideas/school so thought on their journey of development
Peace
