The Search for Muhammad has Ended
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Good day, everyone!
Thanks to the efforts of some renowned scholars who have found the courage to speak the truth in a world full of lies, illusions and deceit, I believe I have finally found the answer to the puzzle that has boggled our minds for many long years "WHERE WAS MUHAMMAD (P)?"
I will share it with you, in what will probably be my last thread on this forum.
I have come to the conclusion that the entire history of the Arab world is a rotten, stinking lie. We have been fed a ZIONIST version of history, whose purpose has been none other than to justify the evil, colonial and imperialistic idea that has planted the state of ?Israel? in the heart of the Arab world, and to hide the true history of Arabia, a land that has not seen 1% of what it deserves in terms of archeological exploration. It is this false history that has been taught to our children for centuries, in the schools and universities of the East and the West. We have been brainwashed into believing the following lies
1- That the Arabs did not have a civilization before Muhammad?s time. That they were just ?ragheads? who lived in a Jahiliyya Era (Age of Ignorance), in a dry arid land, and did nothing but eat dates and ride camels. That all the civilizations of the old world came from the lands AROUND Arabia (Mesopotamia, Egypt and the Levant).
2- That the so-called "Semitic languages" are divided into two branches The Northern Branch (which includes Aramaic, Syriac, and Phoenician) and the Southern Branch (which includes Arabic, Old Yemeni, and Ethiopian). This lie has been accepted as unquestionable fact by 99% of academics. The remaining 1% know the truth that ALL these Semitic languages were in fact nothing but dialects which originated from one Mother Tongue (I will tell you later, what this Mother Tongue is). And that they existed side by side with this Mother Tongue as far north as Syria, and as far south as Yemen. Hence, they know that this division of Semitic languages into Northern and Southern is a complete fallacy.
This 1% knows the hidden, and shocking truth which is beginning to dawn right now, and is pointing to the forgotten land of Yemen (South Arabia) as the origin of it all. This truth has been under our noses for so long, and has been calling out to us from beneath a pile of lies perpetrated by the Jewish clergy of the old ages. These lies have made their way into the belief system of Christians and Jewish laymen. They have also infiltrated Islam, and can bee seen in the books of Hadith and traditions, while the Quran, which exposes these lies, has been rendered to a mystical book whose verses are to be chanted rhythmically over the dead in their graves, and whose meanings have been made irrelevant.
3- The third lie which we have been taught is that the Ancient Israelites were a ?pure race? which descended from Noah?s progeny ? hence their name Semitic. It dictates to us that God granted their Patriarch, Abraham, the "Promised Land", which extends from the Euphrates to the Nile. Why so? Because they claim Abraham was born in Mesopotamia, and Moses was in Egypt. Can we argue with them? Have they ever provided us with proof of these claims? The fact is that very few people in the world have asked the question of how or when the word ?Misraim?, which appears in the Aramaic text of the Old Testament (OT) as the place from which Moses and the Israelites escaped, became ?Egypt?. We have found the answer to that as well. And the truth of it will shock you.
4- The fourth lie which we have been led to believe is that the ancient Israelites, after escaping from "Egypt" and wandering aimlessly in the desert for 40 years, were finally gathered into some form of unity under the leadership of Yeshua (Joshua) Bin Nun, and marched against Palestine, where they defeated (slaughtered, actually) its inhabitants, the alleged ?Canaanites?, which eventually paved the way for establishing the United Kingdom of Israel under David, and later Solomon. Ever since 1948, when they declared their illegal state, the Zionists have done nothing but propagate the notion that their alleged "Temple of Solomon" was right there, under the very spot where the Dome of the Rock now stands. Have they uncovered a single shred of evidence for this claim? We shall soon see.
5- The fifth lie states that the Kingdom of Solomon ? which they insist was in Palestine - became so powerful and prosperous that it finally became the envy of the great powers in the region, and its prosperity soon attracted Assyrian interest. The Assyrians obliterated the kingdom of Israel in 721 B.C. deporting 27,000 citizens and replacing them with a more malleable population. This was followed by the Babylonian conquest of 587 B.C., under Nebuchadnezzar, when ?Jerusalem? was raised to the ground, the temple destroyed, and 10,000 of the finest Israeli craftsmen and smiths, nobles and priests, were taken as captives to Mesopotamia, thus heralding the Age of the Babylonian Exile. Of course, we do not doubt that the Exile did in fact take place. Archeological evidence proves it. Hundreds of stone tablets uncovered in Iraq depict these events. However, what we are doubting is the DESTINATION of the Assyrian and Babylonian march. What we will show you is that these Assyrian and Babylonian Cuniform tablets and drawings depicted something that the zionists did not want us to see...something that would reveal the true identity of the Israeli captives. These tablets were among the artifacts that were stolen during the USA's criminal war against Iraq in 2003, when their "civilized" troups looted the Baghdad Museum.
But enough ranting for now. There will be plenty of that later on.
For now, I will tell you this Knowing where the Kingdom of Israel was actually located holds the key to answering the question of where Muhammad lived and preached.
I will reveal to you the greatest historical and geographical forgery that humanity has ever known. And its implications will cause the shock of a lifetime for many of you.
So first, let?s hear it from English scholar Bernard Leeman, author of the book ?Queen of Sheba and Israel?, who takes us onto a journey to the world of modern archeology, and reiterates the words of the Western and ?Israeli? academics themselves. In the introduction to his book, Leeman writes the following (quoted words are in bold text)
From 1974 to 1975, I taught in Jizan in southwestern Saudi Arabia and was puzzled by the remains of substantial but uninvestigated ancient urban settlements scattered about that region. I found that there is very little literature on the pre-Christian history of the region between Jeddah and the Yemen. Arab legends about an ancient Israelite presence in the region were not at that time taken seriously by Western academics.
And Mr. Leeman is right. Because it wasn?t until 1985, when prominent Lebanese historian and linguist Kamal Salibi (RIP) published his book ?The Torah Came from Arabia?, that academics began to take notice, and the Saudi rulers ? ever the ones to despise and loathe archeology - began to shift uncomfortably in their seats.
Interest in the Old Testament is not merely a literary exercise. Whereas Britons may speculate whether stories about King Arthur and Robin Hood are fantasies or exaggerations, the Old Testament account is the raison d??tre of the state of Israel. Belief in Friar Tuck, Camelot, and Merlin is one thing; Moses, Solomon?s Jerusalem, and Ezra another. If biblical testimony is false, modern Israel could no longer present itself as the fulfillment of divine will but more as an embattlement colonial settlement comparable with French Algeria or apartheid South Africa.
The Zionist movement, which has seen the establishment in 1948 of the State of Israel and the consequent regional and global crises thereafter, takes its theological and political inspiration from twenty references in the Old Testament books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy concerning divine assurances to the Hebrew patriarchs Abraham and Moses that their followers would inherit a Promised Land ?flowing with milk and honey.?
Leeman then goes on to quote Charles Krauthammer, (columnist and former speechwriter to Vice President Walter Mondale)
"Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store?.
- Charles Krauthammer
Those are some mighty strong and confident words from Mr. Krauthammer, aren?t they? Well, let?s see what the soil and the earth of the Palestinian land have to say about that.
- The Search for Evidence
Islam has always had an aversion to archaeology, seeing it as desecration of the dead; an attitude shared by many Jews. However, Jews who were prominent in the new sciences saw archaeology as supportive of the Zionist cause. This attitude was shared by Christian scientists and archaeologists who perceived that if the Jews fulfilled their divine mission of reclaiming the Promised Land, then other related Holy Writ, namely, the New Testament, might also be fulfilled. With the departure of the Muslim Turks from Palestine, archaeology under the British Mandate became possible. It was hardly coincidental that the first archaeologists into Palestine were committed Christians.
Let me interject here by correcting Mr. Leeman on this one ISLAM does NOT hate archeology, or any kind of science for that matter. It's the MUSLIMS who have this problem. Just thought I should clear that out.
William Foxwell Albright (1891-1971) is considered by academics as the father of biblical archaeology. Born in Chile of Methodist missionaries, he took his doctorate in Semitic languages at Johns Hopkins University, in Baltimore, Maryland. In 1919, he became Fellow of the American School of Oriental Research in Jerusalem, and its director in the following year. When he finally retired in 1958 he had established himself as the leading authority on biblical archaeology, having undertaken excavations in Palestine, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia. He uncritically used the Old Testament as his guide.
The problem with Albright however, was that his approach to archeology (which was in its infancy stage at the time) was not an objective one. In other words, instead of letting the finds speak for themselves, he began to excavate the Palestinian soil while having a pre-conceived notion, in his mind, that it was the site of ancient Israel. What Albright did was that he used the OT to prove his findings, rather than the other way around. In fact, Albright?s own attitude towards his professional work is encapsulated in the title of his 1942 article ?Why the Near East Needs the Jews?. He saw archaeology as a means to strengthen the Jewish claim to Palestine.
After the Second World War, Palestine became the home to hundreds of thousands of Jews traumatized by the Holocaust. On May 14, 1948, they and earlier settlers proclaimed the state of Israel. All accepted that this land was the place given to them by God, their ancestral home, where they would no longer be persecuted and murdered because of their birth and beliefs.
After the establishment of the state of Israel, Israeli archaeologists set to work in Albright's footsteps, searching for evidence from the remote past. Annually they were and are still joined by archaeologists and enthusiasts from all over the world. Their work is eagerly studied by millions of tourists, pilgrims, students, media personnel, and church members, most of whom will never visit the sites, but whose lives are very much governed by their history. Archaeologists are in general agreement on the evidence that would support the Old Testament record. The biblical narrative speaks of Canaan?s violent invasion by an Iron Age people and the establishment of a strong, centralized, and eventually extremely wealthy state under David and Solomon. Archaeology would therefore show a clear break, as a Bronze Age culture - typified by small political groupings and a settled agricultural population - was dramatically overwhelmed and reconstituted into a centralized Iron Age state dominated by a huge alien pastoralist population undergoing urbanization, engaging in massive public works programs and in international trade. Archaeology would most certainly reveal widespread destruction and relocation.
Or so they thought...
From the very beginning archaeological investigations did not progress as hoped. Albright was disappointed with his excavations at Al-Tall (identified as the biblical "Ai", where he found no evidence of occupation in Joshua?s era. Kathleen Kenyon excavated the ruins of Jericho for six years. Finding no evidence to support the biblical references, she refused to speculate, but concluded that Jericho had been deserted from the beginning of the fifteenth century to the eleventh century B.C. and had fallen long before Joshua. Later she gave her opinion on Old Testament archaeological evidence as a whole
?The united Kingdom of Israel has a life span of only three quarters of a century. It was the only time in which the Jews were an important political power in western Asia. Its glories are triumphantly recorded in the Bible, and the recollections of this profoundly affected Jewish thoughts and aspirations. Yet the archaeological evidence for the period is meagre in the extreme?.
The Old Testament states that King Solomon fortified Gezer, Hazor, and Megiddo. Israeli politician-archaeologist Yigael Yadin was not as cautious as Kenyon. When he discovered a gate at Hazor, constructed ca. tenth century B.C.., and another at Megiddo, he linked both to a third discovered earlier at Gezer and claimed all three were the work of Solomon, although evidence showed they belonged to different periods. James Pritchard, writing in 1972, was forthright about Megiddo?s links with Solomon ?No inscription names him and no specific find can be definitely related to any biblical reference.? Later he stated
?The so-called cities of Megiddo, Gezer, Hazor ? all said to have been built by Solomon ? Gibeon, the site of Solomon?s holocausts, and Jerusalem itself, were in reality more like villages and surrounded by circumambulatory ramparts of roughly hewn stone. Within were relatively small public buildings and frequently poorly constructed dwellings with clay floors. ... compared with the culture ... of Phoenicia, Assyria and Egypt, the ?magnificence? of the Age of Solomon is parochial and decidedly lackluster?.
The Old Testament links the city of Hebron - 30 kilometers south of Jerusalem in Palestine - with the patriarch Abraham and states David had chosen it as his first capital. In the 1980s, Avi Ofer, of the Institute of Archaeology of Tel Aviv, carried out excavations in Hebron. Ofer concluded that Hebron was founded ca. 3300 B.C and, that by 1950 B.C it had grown into a major urban center. It had a king, a central religious and political district, city walls, a literate bureaucracy, buildings several stories high, and a palace where large numbers of animals were sacrificed. By ca. 1500 B.C. Hebron was abandoned, almost certainly because of the climatic changes that had desiccated the land. Therefore when Joshua was supposed to have invaded the Promised Land, ca. 1200 B.C. he would have found only a handful of nomads roaming the ruins of Hebron, a Bronze Age city. The Old Testament account states that Joshua captured five royal cities, including Hebron; yet Ofer found that Hebron, like Jericho, had been abandoned for hundreds of years before Joshua?s time.
The greatest disappointment is Jerusalem itself, and no number of excuses and explanations can suffice to detract from the archaeological indictment that it was an insignificant settlement until 600 B.C, and was certainly never the terminus of a gold trade that gilded massive public buildings and supported the powerful, literate, temple bureaucracy during Solomon?s reign.
Scientific developments have enabled archaeologists to gain a more accurate general demographic and climatic picture of Palestine than was available to Pritchard in the early 1970s. The evidence shows that ancient Palestine was a peripheral region, of little or no economic or strategic interest to the highly organized and powerful states of Egypt, Mesopotamia, or Syria. It did indeed have a mostly self-sufficient Bronze Age sedentary agricultural economy, but these were not replaced by any large powerful centralized political units. Society was based on small urban centers and hamlets with petty chiefs or headmen as rulers.
Overpopulation and agricultural recession in the third millennium B.C were followed by a hot and arid climatic change that lasted until 1950 B.C and also affected Egypt. Large sections of the population in the Levant migrated to Mesopotamia, leaving Palestine with a declining population. The Bronze Age gave way to the Iron Age between the thirteenth and the tenth centuries B.C.E., but the change was gradual and unconnected to any nomad (Hebrew) invasion. Obviously states like Solomon?s not exist.
As for the investigation of individual sites, there is no archaeological evidence to support the "Golden Age" of David and Solomon. The "city-states" of the Old Testament proved to be little more than small market centers with populations numbering only a few thousand at most. It is clear that the whole area was never more than a marginal part of any regional political or economic power.
In the time when Joshua is supposed to have invaded and David and Solomon are supposed to have established a large, powerful, and wealthy kingdom, Palestine endured a lengthy period of drought that brought recurrent famine, a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall, and the decline of the neighboring Ugaritic and Mycenaean civilizations. The people of the purported Promised Land certainly did not enjoy a surfeit of milk and honey. Most of them abandoned the interior and moved to the coastal areas, where they established smaller and more sustainable agricultural communities. Pritchard, writing about the reputation of Solomon?s kingdom, the zenith of Israelite political power, stated
?Solomon is mentioned in no Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Phoenician document. Only from the Bible do we learn he lived.? Pritchard drew attention to ?the disparity between the cultural poverty of Palestine in this age and the impression of grandeur and wealth presented by the biblical account.?
The broad archaeological picture is clear There is NO evidence of the Exodus, the conquest of the Promised Land, the establishment of David?s kingdom, the grandeur of Solomon?s public works program, the First Temple, records from the highly organized court bureaucracy, nor the wealth gained from control of the trade routes?.
(Please keep this last phrase in mind, because we will be referring back to it later on TRADE ROUTES. The Old Testament stresses the fact that Solomon?s kingdom became fabulously rich due to its control of the trade routes. This is a CRUCIAL piece of information).
Jerusalem, as stated earlier, is Palestine?s greatest archaeological disappointment. Solomon allegedly constructed a number of very large public buildings in a hilltop area. This arrangement was common in the ancient world, and the best known example is the Acropolis complex in Athens. Solomon?s buildings were the First Temple, the Royal Palace (which took twice as much time as the temple to build), the Treasury, and the Judgment Hall (where he placed his ivory throne), a palace for his most prestigious wife, and a large structure called the "House of the Forest of Lebanon". No trace of any of these exists today. The archaeological record has revealed that during the time of Solomon?s reign Jerusalem was one of about 100 small unfortified villages in a very poor agricultural area inhabited by a people indistinguishable from other Canaanites, who led a marginal existence herding goats, sheep, and oxen. Attempts to link small public works to the biblical record are unconvincing.
In 1992, Professor Thomas Thompson, one of the world?s foremost biblical archaeologists, published his seminal Early History of the Israelite People from the Written and Archaeological Sources. Thompson?s survey of Palestinian archaeology cannot be faulted. He emphasizes that excavations around Jerusalem had found no evidence of significant settlement during the time of David and Solomon?s powerful and wealthy united kingdom. Conditions for such a state began to emerge centuries later, but Jerusalem only became a relatively important urban center around 650 B.C. Thompson dismissed the notion that the area had any monarch on the scale of Saul, David and Solomon as ?out of the question.?
To Be Continued very soon....
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Thank you!
very interesting indeed! I also somehow felt that some truth might go towards where you are pointing...
Please do continue!
Looking forward for the next part -
- "The Bomb".
That was the title given to Professor Zaif Hertzog, head of the Middle Eastern History and Archeology department at the Tel? Aviv University.
So long as only non-"Israeli" archaeologists questioned the veracity of the Old Testament account, Zionists could dismiss their findings as politically biased. However, the situation changed in 1999, when Hertzog wrote an article in the Ha?aretz Newspaper, doubting that there was ever an Egyptian captivity, an Exodus, or an invasion of so-called ?Canaan?. The article pretty much had the effect of a nuclear bomb on Zionist dogma.
Let me quote Professor Hertzog - the voice of reason
?All the people of the world, not just the ?Israelis? or the Jewish people will be dumbfounded when they hear the truth that has now been made evident by the archeological digs. The vast majority of our colleagues now confirm that there is a drastic gap between what history has taught us, and what the Scripture says?.The Torah exaggerates immensely in its description of the fortresses and strongholds of the ?Canaanites?, which the Israelis are said to have conquered (large cities, and buttressed fortresses reaching the sky?!). On the other hand, every piece of archeological evidence tells us the villages and towns of ancient Palestine were not fortified at all, except in very rare and extreme cases (the homes of the chiefs or headmen did have some stone walls around them, but that was pretty much it). The signs are very clear The architectural culture that was rampant in Palestine towards the end of the Bronze Age clearly did not take the possibility of foreign military aggression into account. The descriptions found in the Torah do not even remotely match the geo-political situation of the region. Every piece of evidence uncovered disproves the presence of any unified and mighty Jewish kingdom in Palestine, during David?s and Solomon?s time?.Modern science, as we all know, does not depend on written accounts, but on physical evidence. And archeology has now become an independent science. What is happening in ?Israel? is that we do not want it to be independent. We want the archeological remains to prove the Scriptural stories; and this contradicts not only science, but the historical truth as well. And if we want to have a respected place in international academia, we need to abide by the laws of science, not the interests of politics and pre-conceived ideologies?.The truth is hard to accept. But it is very clear that the ancient Israelites never resided in the Nile valley, never wandered the desert, and its 12 tribes never occupied the Palestinian land by military force.?
There you go, brothers and sisters. You heard it from their own mouths. The scientific truth shows no mercy towards our traditional beliefs. The truth is sharp, and makes no comprimise for anyone. (The real serpent swallows up the illusion of the dancing ropes). The truth KILLS. If only the Hadithists would listen to Hertzog! But it must be hard?very hard?for those who have taken conjecture as the authority over the truth. And until they think again, ?until they swallow that red pill?they will linger in their delusions forever.
Hertzog?s views are supported by his colleagues at Tel Aviv University, and by authors Israel Finkelstein and Neil Silberman, both internationally acclaimed archaeologist, in their shocking 2001 publication entitled ?The Bible Unearthed Archaeology?s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts?.
These figures refer to themselves now as the ?Neo Historians? of Israel. And they have paid a terrible price for their work. Every conceivable insult and demeaning adjective has been stamped on them for the past decade. They have been labeled as ?Deniers of the Torah? (akin to ?Deniers of the Holocaust?). Does this sound familiar? Haven't we been labeled similarly by the sectarian Hadithists?
The history of LIES always repeats itself, as long as there are selfish political interests to revive it.
So what is the big picture then?
1- At the time of David and Solomon, Jerusalem was an insignificant village, no different than other villages loosely scattered around the Palestinian landscape.
2- There is ZERO archeological evidence of David and Solomon?s kingdom and the so-called First Temple of God in Jerusalem. The Zionist propaganda that has been pounding our heads since 1948 speaks of the ?Temple Mount? or ?Mount Zion? in Jerusalem. Well here?s a newsflash for you There are no mountains anywhere in or near Jerusalem. The claim that Jerusalem stands on a ?mountain? is a blatant, lie. The fact of the matter is that the city stands on twin elevated knolls, in the middle of a broad coastal plain. Anyone can verify this by making a visit to the so-called ?Holy Land?.
The following is a camera shot of modern-day Jerusalem, taken from an airplane flying over the city.
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/Jerusalem.jpg
Does it look like the city is on top of a mountain? Do you see mountains anywhere nearby?
3- It wasn?t until after 600 B.C (more than 300 years after Solomon?s time) that Jerusalem began to have any semblance of a real city, and to harbor a significantly large Jewish community. Where these Jews came from is the key to understanding the lopsided history that the Zionists have been shoving down our throats since the late 19th Century. Where on Earth is the pre-Exile Jerusalem that was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar?
4- The entire land of Palestine was nothing more than a peripheral region, of little or no strategic political or economic importance to the two great and rival powers at the time, Egypt and Assyria. The claim that Assyria became ?jealous? of the grandeur and might of David and Solomon?s kingdom in Palestine is nothing but a myth.
5- There is ZERO archeological evidence which supports the theory that Egypt and Assyria ever fought for control of Palestine. In fact, all the evidence suggests that they fought over the so-called Sinai Peninsula, and the Red Sea Coast of Arabia, as we shall soon see.
Now, let's get back to quoting Bernard Leeman
This is why archaeologists working in Palestine are so frustrated. The world described in the historical narratives of the Old Testament seems so real. While the so-called ?Hebrew? text is highly detailed, the area described is quite small. Jewish and Christian traditions and the raison d??tre of the state of Israel all proclaim that this is the right place. But the failure to find a single trace of it is maddening.
The archaeological evidence reveals that Palestine in the era of Solomon was a peripheral area in which petty chiefdoms vied for local supremacy in a drought-afflicted land frequently plagued by maritime raiders from the Mediterranean Islands of Cyprus and Crete. In contrast, western Arabia possessed all the elements associated with an empire?s prosperity control of highly lucrative trade routes, abundant natural resources, and oases where urban areas developed and where wealth from trade sustained not only a literate bureaucracy, and high court culture (which explains the rise of wealthy kingdoms of Yemen such as Himyar and Sheba). But it was not only these elements that ensured the prosperity of Solomon?s kingdom. There was also political timing.
Solomon ruled one of the earliest Iron Age kingdoms, somewhere between 1000 BC and 900 BC. His domain was able to assert itself because of the fluctuating political fortunes of its powerful neighbors in that period. The Egyptians had failed to inflict a decisive victory over the Assyrians and had withdrawn to Africa. The Libyans were encroaching into western Egypt, while the Sea Peoples (Mediterranean raiders) devastated the Levant and the Nile Delta. The Assyrians, on the other hand, had their own hands full quelling several rebellious movements in Mesopotamia, as well as staving off attacks by the barbaric Scythian tribes from beyond the Caucasus, as is made evident by the numerous cuneiform tablets uncovered in Iraq which mention these events. Academic authorities agree that if Solomon?s kingdom did exist, it would have taken advantage of Egypt?s withdrawal from Asia and Assyria?s preoccupation with its domestic disorder. The timing was indeed perfect. However, the catalyst for such prosperity was that ancient Israel must have been centered in an area controlling valuable resources or trade routes. Palestine had neither. Arabia most certainly did.
In western Arabia there is a wealth of evidence from trade routes, state building processes, linguistics, place names, traditions, mineral deposits, environmental change, archaeological sites begging to be explored, religious development, an ancient Ark culture, and an extraordinary passage in the "Sheba-Menelik Cycle" of the Kebra Nagast* that indicate this area, and not Palestine, was the true home of the Old Testament.
The Assyrian and Babylonian attacks on Israel and Judah suggest it was more likely they were on the major western Arabian trade routes, which ran along the Red Sea coastal plain, all the way to the Levant and Mesopotamia. With its sparse pastures, and poor resources, peripheral Palestine had no commercial importance and was unable to control any major trade routes. This is an archeological FACT. On the other hand Arabia contained several major routes, and it was there, not in Palestine that large cities grew up at oases and grew wealthy from taxing and serving the camel caravans. Solomon states could only have achieved rapid wealth through control of lucrative trade routes, losing it when those trade routes changed direction or were taken over by rival powers. In addition, Israel was an Iron Age state. In fact, the Quran refers to David and Solomon as great armorers. Certainly there is nothing in Palestinian archaeology that even remotely supports the presence of an ancient iron industry of such magnitude.
Please pay very close attention to the underlined phrase. Later on, when I expose to you the diabolical forgery which substituted the Aramaic word ?Misraim? for ?Egyptus? in the Septuagint (Greek) translation of the Torah, I will show you just how these caravans were serviced at special interval spots in Arabia, consisting of fortified trade citadels, called ?amsar? in Arabic (This is the plural of the term ?misr?), and I will reveal to you just who ?Pharoah? was. I will expose to you one of the greatest delusions that humanity has ever been led to believe, as we uncover, clue by clue, the true identity of "Bani Israel".
The first Assyrian attack of 721 B.C. on Israel could not have made any sense if Solomon?s kingdom was in Palestine. But we do have archeological evidence from Mesopotamia which confirms the Assyrian and Babylonian campaigns. So how can this be?
The answer is quite simple The campaigns were not directed at Palestine. They were directed southward to Arabia, in order to discipline the rebellious tribes who had control of the trade routes, and harmed the interests of the Assyrians by imposing high taxes and usury, which made the goods arrive to Mesopotamia at very high prices, thus incurring the wrath of Kings Sennacherib and Esharhadon. (And it seems that the stubborn tribes didn't learn their lesson, for the Babylonians marched on them later on).
There is no doubt about it They have been looking for ancient Israel in the wrong place.
Our entire history has been a lie.
So now, I believe I must shake the hand of Bernard Leeman, and say to him "Thank you, dear Sir. Although Kamal Salibi preceded you in that direction, you were the first Westerner to have the courage to stand up to the Hamans of our age, and spit the truth in their faces. I salute you!"
I agree with 99% of what Leeman said. Ancient Israel was indeed in Arabia, although not quite in the location he placed it.
And we still didn't get to the bottom of where Muhammad (P) lived...http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/IsraelMap.jpg
The Location of Israel and Judah, according to Leeman.
*The Kebra Nagast A stunning piece of literary / legendary prose discovered in Ethiopia in the early 16th Century. The title means "The Glory of Kings", and is an account of the Solomonic line of the Emperors of Ethiopia. The text is around 700 years old, hundred years old, and tells the story of how the Queen of Sheba first met Solomon, how she fled her home country seeking refuge in Ethiopia, and how the Ark of the Covenant came to Ethiopia with her son, Menelik, from "across the Sea" (You wonder which Sea is mentioned? Go look at any map and figure it out). The Kebra Nagast is not merely a literary work. It has been described as "the repository of Ethiopian national and religious feelings."
To Be Continued....
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Salam,
Not sure I see the link between where Israel was and where Mohammed was - the two are mutually exclusive.
With regards to Israel, we know it was in southern Arabia and not Palestine - this is evidenced by the Quran and has been shared on this forum in a few threads.
Palestine was and has been the center for pilgrimage since Abraham. The pilgrimage is to the dome of the rock and the elevated area the dome sits on...the site in queston is still standing in the same place...As for lack of fortifications, I would expect that to be the state of a land that was named "city of peace".
As for Mohammed, he is from the area of Northern Arabia (Nabatea) which is where the Arabic language in its Quranic form originated.
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Peace everyone peace group
Very interesting indeed!
Where were the children of israel?
I previously saw a picture of a possible site for the place where the children of israel made the golden calf, and it was stated it was somewhere in arabia?
It?s nice to note that the Apostle paul stated that mount sinai is in arabia in Gal 425Mount sinai in saudia arabia
http//www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-exodus-route-mt-sinai.htm
videos & pictures
http//pub48.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=4086901292&frmid=13&msgid=910459&cmd=show
http//www.wyattmuseum.com/mount-sinai-08.htmsee also other biblical archeology
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Not sure I see the link between where Israel was and where Mohammed was - the two are mutually exclusive.
Actually, they aren't. You must be patient. In time, I will show you the link.
Palestine was and has been the center for pilgrimage since Abraham.
I am sorry to say it, but Abraham never set foot in Palestine. Nor was he born in Ur (Mesopotamia). This is a rotten Jewish lie that you are propagating without even being aware of it. All will be made evident to you soon. Palestine was NOTHING. It was an insignificant, peripheral land, that did not see the birth of any divine message. There is nothing "holy" about it. The Quran tells us that Abraham (P), after having a heated religious argument with the idolators from among his people, was rescued by God, alongside his sibbling, Lot (P), to a land that God described as "Blessed for the World". This patch of land is deep inside Arabia, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with Palestine whatsoever. It is the SAME patch of land that contains the vale where Moses was ordered to remove his shoes as God addressed him. Your insistance that Abraham (P) went to Palestine, and that Palestine was the center of pilgrimage, and that Palestine was the "Land of Prophets" is nothing but continuous marketting of ancient Jewish lies.
Now, you are forcing me to jump ahead, which I really hate doing. Abram, the grandfather of the Israelites, was born in the wilderness of YEMEN, in south of Arabia. Ancient folk tales, ballads, and the traditions of Yemen know this very well, and it has been carried across their generations for ages untold. The Ancient Yemeni dialect of Arabic is known to introduce the letter "h" (ه in the middle of words. I spoke to some Yemenis on a forum, and they confirmed this to me. Hence, Abram - Abrahm. Another example Sayyoun (Zion) - Sahyoun. I can give you dozens of other examples, but now is not the time. The fact that Bani Israel where ancient tribes of the Qahtani (Southern) branch of Arabs is very well recorded and documented in Yemen. But it seems that somewhere along the line, the Adnani Arabs of the North became jealous of their southern rivals and neighbours, and decided to do a little geographical hi-jacking of their own to deceive the future generations. I will not say anymore about this issue. But I'm afraid that your Palestine theory will not hold water in light of the overwhelming evidence I plan to present concerning the birthplace and destination of Abram-Abrham.
The pilgrimage is to the dome of the rock and the elevated area the dome sits on...the site in queston is still standing in the same place...As for lack of fortifications, I would expect that to be the state of a land that was named "city of peace".
What are you saying??? I can't believe what I'm reading! The Dome of the Rock was built by the Umayyad Kalif Abdulmalik Bin Marwan (who was a Freemason, by the way), over a rock that the JEWS believed was holy. And the reason he built that structure was purely a political one, as I will prove later on. Again, I don't want to jump ahead, but you're forcing me to. The city of Jerusalem did not even exist in the time of Abraham (We're talking 1600 B.C here, for God's sake!!) Please open your eyes, and stop advertising Jewish lies.
Again I will repeat myself Palestine was NOTHING. It was never the center of anything. The Jews ascribed "holiness" to it AFTER the exile, when they made it their second home, after they lost their original and ancestral home which is somewhere in South Arabia. Muhammad (P) never set foot in Palestine.As for Mohammed, he is from the area of Northern Arabia (Nabatea) which is where the Arabic language in its Quranic form originated
You sound so confident. I will jump ahead again, and copy-paste the text of a private message I sent to a fellow member on this site, concerning the truth about the so-called "Arabic" language - a truth that humanity is still not aware of, that was discovered by a handful of linguists and scientists in the late 18th Century
the term "arabic" (transliteration 3arabi) is not a proper name of a language. It is derived from "i3rab", which means "eloquence and clarity". So when the Quran says "lisan arabi" it means precisely that "the eloquent tongue". This means that there were other tongues spoken in Arabia that were NOT eloquent, but were actually perverted dialects. The Quran calls them "Ajami" (transliteration "a3jami", which comes from "3jm", which means "missing something / improper/lacking/ weak/ something that makes enourmos effort to be eloquent but fails to do so".
Aramaic, Syriac, Old Yemeni, Phoenician, Ammorite, and others are all nothing but "a3jami" dialects derived from the Mother Tongue (which we call "Arabic". These dialects are missing some letters. For example, Aramaic and Syriac have 22 leters, while the Mother Tongue has 26. But the similarities between all these dialects are staggering. Linguists are begin now to realize that ALL these dielects in fact had one, older origin.
The eloquent tongue (lissan 3arabi) of the Quran is the most ancient tongue on the planet. It was the tongue spoken by Adam (the first homo-sapien race). It is made up of three-letter roots whose meanings are derived directly from natural phenomena. For example. If you ask any European or American what the word "Adam" means, he will say "it's the name of the first human being". They see it as a proper noun which doesn't have a meaning. In "Arabic" the word "adam" is derived from the 3-letter root "adm", from which comes the word "adeem". When we say "adeem al- ardh", it means the soil or skin of the earth which is good and convenient for cultivation. So ADAM. is the being that was created from the skin of the earth (the surface clay), and who is ripe and fit to be the vicegerent , and worthy of receiving the divine message.
There is not a single language on the face of this planet that will give you this meaning. Only "arabic" can.
Yes. "arabic" is a description (not the prper name) of the primordial and "fitri" tongue of mankind.
ALL the inhabitants of Arabia, wheter they spoke Syriac, Aramaic, Old Yemeni, or other "a3jami" dialetcs could understand the Quran, because "arabic" (the eloquent speech) is the Mother and Prototype of all.God chose this eloquent prototype as the vehicle for his final scripture to humanity. That's some paradox, isn't it?
The concept is simply mind-boggling. Only now, we are begining to understand. There are secrets burried underneath the sands and mountains of Arabia that give clues to the first creation of Humanity. Arabia is the source of everything, my friend. Not only is it the craddle of ALL civilizations and divine messages, and the source of all Semitic migrations. It is the craddle of life on this planet. Adam was made there. In time, you will deduce this truth yourself.
Dear youssef4342
Again, you are advertising JEWISH lies by posting a link to those sites. The Israelites NEVER SET FOOT IN EGYPT. The word "Misraim" which appears in the Aramaic text of the Torat does NOT mean Egypt. The word "Misr" which appears in the Quran doe NOT mean Egypt. Please wake up from this delusion. You have been fed this lie ever since you were in the craddle, and brainwashed to believe it by the most awesome force of propaganda and trickery that man has ever known (the media) for so long, that you are incapable of seeing the truth when it is finally put in fron of you. You need to swallow the red pill.
Peace...
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Dear Pazuzu,
You know very well that none here care what the Jews say/write...We are followers of the Quran as our source of law.
You speak against Jewish history (which I may or may not agree with you), but then you turn around and start inventing your own history which may be just as bad - Abraham came from Yemen!
Here is what my authentic history (Quran) tells me
- Abraham left his people and emigrated to the land whuch God had blessed;
- Lot was from Abraham's progeny and emigrated with him;
- Abraham and Ismail raised the foundations of the Temple;
- Abraham called people to pilgrimage to the Temple;
- Abraham's progeny resided in a valley not far from the location of the Temple;
- Lot's people were destroyed by Angels and the town was left as a sign for people;
- Jacob had 12 sons and one of those sons became a minister in Egypt and moved all the sons of Jacob there;
- Moses was sent to resucue the children of Jacob from Egypt;
- Moses was supposed to settle in the blessed land - but due to the disobediance of the tribe, they were blocked from it for 40 years;
- David and Solomon formed the kingdom of Israe;
- The location of this kingdom was not in the holy land, as Solomon used to send the winds there, but was near Sheba;
- Jesus (and others before him) were sent to follow in the footsteps of Abraham;
- Mohammed came to follow in the same footsteps;
- God names the holy land "Baca" and says that the station of Abraham is inside the Temple;
- Mohammed liberated the holy land before his death;
- The Children of Israel , during their 2nd rise, will occupy the holy land as prophecsized in suran 17.
Now, which place was it that Jesus, Moses, and Mohammed all highlighted as being "holy", and which place do all the faiths in one form or another agree that pilgrimage was towards?
The answer is a place that is "known" and "revered" by all the faiths - else the whole point of calling mankind to the pilgrimage is missed!
I can tell you - that place is not Yemen.
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Dear Pazuzu,
You know very well that none here care what the Jews say/write...We are followers of the Quran as our source of law.
You speak against Jewish history (which I may or may not agree with you), but then you turn around and start inventing your own history which may be just as bad - Abraham came from Yemen!
Here is what my authentic history (Quran) tells me
- Abraham left his people and emigrated to the land whuch God had blessed;
- Lot was from Abraham's progeny and emigrated with him;
- Abraham and Ismail raised the foundations of the Temple;
- Abraham called people to pilgrimage to the Temple;
- Abraham's progeny resided in a valley not far from the location of the Temple;
- Lot's people were destroyed by Angels and the town was left as a sign for people;
- Jacob had 12 sons and one of those sons became a minister in Egypt and moved all the sons of Jacob there;
- Moses was sent to resucue the children of Jacob from Egypt;
- Moses was supposed to settle in the blessed land - but due to the disobediance of the tribe, they were blocked from it for 40 years;
- David and Solomon formed the kingdom of Israe;
- The location of this kingdom was not in the holy land, as Solomon used to send the winds there, but was near Sheba;
- Jesus (and others before him) were sent to follow in the footsteps of Abraham;
- Mohammed came to follow in the same footsteps;
- God names the holy land "Baca" and says that the station of Abraham is inside the Temple;
- Mohammed liberated the holy land before his death;
- The Children of Israel , during their 2nd rise, will occupy the holy land as prophecsized in suran 17.
Now, which place was it that Jesus, Moses, and Mohammed all highlighted as being "holy", and which place do all the faiths in one form or another agree that pilgrimage was towards?
The answer is a place that is "known" and "revered" by all the faiths - else the whole point of calling mankind to the pilgrimage is missed!
I can tell you - that place is not Yemen.
I agree. All the signs in the Quran point to Jerusalem as the Holy temple. There are also other archeology evidences like the fact that the earliest mosques faced Jerusalem and not the current Mecca.
Peace,
Kevin.
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I can tell you - that place is not Yemen.
And I will tell you now that it is. And soon, the pile of evidence I will stack in front of you will be so tall, that your jaw will drop.
You just have no idea what you're gonna get.
Let me make some comments on what you said
- Abraham left his people and emigrated to the land whuch God had blessed;
- Lot was from Abraham's progeny and emigrated with him;
- Abraham and Ismail raised the foundations of the Temple;
- Abraham called people to pilgrimage to the Temple;
- Abraham's progeny resided in a valley not far from the location of the Temple
Yes, the land that God has blessed. Have you ever asked yourself WHY the land was blessed?? In spite of the overwhelming evidence I have shown you since the begining of this thread that Palestine was an irrelevant strip of land, you insist to ascribe "blessedness" and "holliness" to it.
Which land was it that was known, in the ancient times, as harboring all the trade routes, where caravans would carry insense, mirrh, and spices all the way from the Yemeni coast, northwards to the Levant? Which land was it that was blessed with all the mineral resources (iron and gold deposits) that was the envy of the Egyptians and the Assyrians? Was it Palestine?
Have you ever asked yourself why the ancient Greek and Roman sailors and gerographers referred to that land as "Arabia Felix"? DO you know what the word "Felix" means? It means "Happy".. They called it "Happy Arabia" because it contained fabulous riches that Palestine could only dream of. Which sounds more like a blessed land? you tell me?Yemen is the source of it all. And soon, this truth will shine in front of your eyes like the sun.
Lot's people were destroyed by Angels and the town was left as a sign for people;
They were not destroyed by "Angels". They were destroyed by "Malai'ka". Big difference. And God tells us that the Malai'ka are universal forces that have various powers and ranks, with jobs assigned to them by God. ANd one of those jobs is to cause natural disasters in certain places. The town of Lot was destroyed by a volcanic erruption which rained down on them rocks of molten Lava. These rocks are ejected from within the Earth at temperatures of 1,500 degrees Celsius. When they come in contact with a human being, they will suck all the mositure from the body in seconds, leaving a dried husk that resemlbles the empty sheath of grain blades. This is EXACTLY what the Quran tells you. The Torah itself, despite the blatant corruption in its translations, cleary says that Soddom and Ghomorra were destroyed by a rain of FIRE AND SULFUR. Please go look it up. Is there anything in this world that spews forth fire and sulfur other than a volcanic eruption? So where did this event take place? You are making it clear that God left the town as a sign for all the people to see it and reflect. Well, care to tell me where it is? Archeologists have searched every square inch of the Dead Sea, and have found NOTHING there. So who are you kidding? Furthermore. I defy you to show me evidence of volcanoes in Jordan or Palestine. On the other hand, Arabia is FULL of volcanic peaks, which explains the strikingly dark color of the rocks there. Furthermore, 80% of all volcanoes in Arabia happen to be in Yemen. Coincidence? Google "Volcanoes in Arabia" if you don't believe me.
- Jacob had 12 sons and one of those sons became a minister in Egypt and moved all the sons of Jacob there;
- Moses was sent to resucue the children of Jacob from Egypt;
- Moses was supposed to settle in the blessed land - but due to the disobediance of the tribe, they were blocked from it for 40 years;
By insisting that they were in Egypt, you are still advertising Jewish merchandise. DOes the Quran tell you they were in Egypt? Show me a verse in the Quran that says they were in Egypt. I defy you.
The next part of my post will put this "Egypt" theory to rest for good, and then we will see who is misguided.
David and Solomon formed the kingdom of Israel.
True. They established a united kingdom for all the tribes, in Yemen, and sharing borders with Sheba.
- The location of this kingdom was not in the holy land, as Solomon used to send the winds there, but was near Sheba;
You still insist that Palestine was the "holy land". I am telling you now that it is NOT. The Holy land is also in Arabia, but slightly further north, in the region of Asir, in Southern Saudi Arabia.
- God names the holy land "Baca" and says that the station of Abraham is inside the Temple
Exactly. The Valley of Baca. But this valey is NOT in Palestine.
- Mohammed liberated the holy land before his death;
Muhamad lived, preached, and died in Arabia. He never set foot outside it.
- The Children of Israel , during their 2nd rise, will occupy the holy land as prophecsized in suran 17.
Congratulations! you have just issued a title of ownership of Palestine for the Zionists. Not only this, but you have made a mockery out of hostory itself. You think the European Jews who live (nay...OCCUPY) Palestine today have anything remotely to do with Bani Israel? Do you any idea how insane that claim is? The Jews occupying Palestine today are Europeans and Khazars. The yhave NOTHING to do with Bani Israel whatsoever.
Once you see the glaring evidence that Bani Israel were nothing but ANCIENT TRIBES of Yemen who migrated northwards and westwards towards the lush mountain oasises, over a period of many centuries, you will understand the truth. Once you realize that Judaism was born in YEMEN, NOT IN PALESTINE (a fact which the Jews of Yemen today know to be the truth), you will understand the fallacy of what you have been taught as the truth. Once you understand that YEMEN was the source of all Semitic migrations northwards, not the other way around, as the Zionist version of history claims, you will then see the light and realize that you are wrong.
Now, which place was it that Jesus, Moses, and Mohammed all highlighted as being "holy", and which place do all the faiths in one form or another agree that pilgrimage was towards?
NOT PALESTINE, AND CERTAINLY NOT MECCA EITHER. Please be satisfied with this answer for now.
Peace... Will be out for the weekend.
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David and Solomon formed the kingdom of Israel.True. They established a united kingdom for all the tribes, in Yemen, and sharing borders with Sheba.
Was it the location of Yemen?
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"O you the posterity of Israel! We have in the recent past delivered/rescued you from your enemyhttp//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/020.%20Ta%20ha/20.80d.gif
and We have appointed for you a period on the right side of At-Tur ;2277-81
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Was it the location of Yemen?
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"O you the posterity of Israel! We have in the recent past delivered/rescued you from your enemyhttp//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/020.%20Ta%20ha/20.80d.gif
and We have appointed for you a period on the right side of At-Tur ;2277-81
Can u explain please why At-Tur is mount Sinai ?
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Peace Pazuzu..
I would like to highlight some of the possible 'fallacies' on your description...
Yes, the land that God has blessed. Have you ever asked yourself WHY the land was blessed?? In spite of the overwhelming evidence I have shown you since the begining of this thread that Palestine was an irrelevant strip of land, you insist to ascribe "blessedness" and "holliness" to it.
I'm assuming you're refering to his verse..?
396. The first House appointed for men is the one which at Bakka
Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beingsThere was and IS a place called Bakka, and iti is in Lebanon (and not Yemen)
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bekaa_ValleyIn it contained a magnificent monument and structures which puzzled many archeologist..
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BaalbekSome archeological findings on Baalbek
"The history of settlement in the area of Baalbek dates back about 9000 years, with almost continual settlement of the tell under the Temple of Jupiter, which was probably a temple since the pre-Hellenistic era"
"Italian archeologist put the date for Baalbek from the PPNB neolithic (8700 BC) to the Iron Age. They include several sherds of pottery including a teapot spout, evident to date back to the early bronze age."
"excavations under the roman flagstones in the Great Court unearthed three skeletons and a fragment of Persian pottery dated to around 550-330 BC. "You should resolve the above questions
Which land was it that was known, in the ancient times, as harboring all the trade routes, where caravans would carry insense, mirrh, and spices all the way from the Yemeni coast, northwards to the Levant? Which land was it that was blessed with all the mineral resources (iron and gold deposits) that was the envy of the Egyptians and the Assyrians? Was it Palestine?Of course it was not Palestine, yet I believe it was not Yemen either.
Much of the gold, spices, tea, silk, smooth porcelains, incense and myrrh were actually imported from a region which is now being called as India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and China.
And specifically for Gold, Sumatra one of the island within an area being called now as "Indonesia" had an ancient name of "Svarna-Dvipa" where Svarna = Gold and Dvipa = Island in sanskit. It was one of the main source of gold in ancient time.
The route for trade toward 'europe' was famously known as the 'the silk road'. There are two routes available; the maritime route, which passes along southern area of Arab peninsula, an area which is now known as "Yemen", and the 'overland route' which passes through Persia, Mesopotamia, and goes to Syria and the seaports in the Levant especially Lebanon.. where the goods were then carried by the Phoenicians (Lebanon's native people) to places around Mediterranean sea.
The statement of 'southern coast of Arabia' harboring ALL of the trade routes is incorrect..
As there are also 'overland route' which did not pass through 'southern coast of Arabia'.And if you put the criteria of "blessed with all the mineral resources" as one of the main criteria for "Holy Land" and/or location of 'Muhammad, Abraham' etc..
Then I believe India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and China are more suitable candidates.Is there anything in this world that spews forth fire and sulfur other than a volcanic eruption?
So where did this event take place? You are making it clear that God left the town as a sign for all the people to see it and reflect. Well, care to tell me where it is? Archeologists have searched every square inch of the Dead Sea, and have found NOTHING there. So who are you kidding? Furthermore. I defy you to show me evidence of volcanoes in Jordan or Palestine. On the other hand, Arabia is FULL of volcanic peaks, which explains the strikingly dark color of the rocks there. Furthermore, 80% of all volcanoes in Arabia happen to be in Yemen. Coincidence?Incorrect, there are only few volcanoes in Yemen and it situated around south western part of Yemen (near Sana'a)..
-Ethiophia has much more volcanoes than Yemen.
-Saudi Arabia has more volcanoes than Yemen.
-Syria possess as much volcanoes as Yemen.Those volcanoes and other seismic activites are normally occur within 'the east african rift' region.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_African_Rift
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Rift_ValleyArea around Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon and Syria are also known to be prone with seismic activities, which not only volcano eruption but also; earthquake, lava or gas bursting out from the earth crater due to those earthquake ..
Which is again due to their location within the border of 'arabian plate' and 'nubian plate'...Given.. Ethiophia has much more volcano than Yemen, Syria and Saudi Arabia combined..
Why not put Sodom and Gomorrah there???Have you ever asked yourself why the ancient Greek and Roman sailors and gerographers referred to that land as "Arabia Felix"? DO you know what the word "Felix" means? It means "Happy".. They called it "Happy Arabia" because it contained fabulous riches that Palestine could only dream of. Which sounds more like a blessed land? you tell me?
Yemen is the source of it all.
Again as said above, 'the southern Arabia coast' / Yemen IS NOT the source of it all.
It just one of the 'transit point' on trade route.
All of those riches came from India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and ChinaYou still insist that Palestine was the "holy land". I am telling you now that it is NOT. The Holy land is also in Arabia, but slightly further north, in the region of Asir, in Southern Saudi Arabia.
Again if you're using "blessed with mineral resources and other natural riches" as criteria for deciding whether the land is holy or not a.k.a the holy land. Then "India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and China" are 'far more holier' than Yemen or Palestine.
Exactly. The Valley of Baca. But this valey is NOT in Palestine.
Indeed it was not.. because the bekka valley is in Lebanon...
Muhamad lived, preached, and died in Arabia. He never set foot outside it.
Using your criteria of 'rich in resources'.. as the main criteria.
Why not consider Muhammad lived in either India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and China ?Salam / Peace
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There was and IS a place called Bakka, and iti is in Lebanon (and not Yemen)
Be careful when you make such claims. I am Lebanese, and I will tell you now that there is no Baka Valley in Lebanon. There is an interior plateau whose average altitude is about 600 meters, located between two mountain ranges, called the Beqa'a Plain ( ع
It has NEVER been called a "valley". I can tell you that with 100% confidence.There is a BIG difference between (which appears in the Quranic verse) and which is the name of that interior plateau.
Please stop trying to force Lebanon into the events that are described in the Quran, because Lebanon has nothing to do with it. In fact, the entire Levant region has nothing to do with it.
I think maybe a visual aid should help you people understand what it is I'm trying to say
Take a look at the following topographic map of Arabia
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The black line I've drawn for you shows the general direction of the main trade route which ran from Yemen, all the way to Mesopotamia. Note how it passes by the mountain range of South West Arabia. These mountains are at their highest near the city of Abha in Southern Saudi Arabia, near the Yemeni border, where they reach a height of over 3000 m.
Now, concerning Yemen, the land was very important and strategic for 2 reasons
1- It served as a transit stop for goods (spices) coming from India (as you pointed out)
2- It served as the origin of the famous - (LEGENDARY actually) - insence and mirrh route. The insense of Yemen is beyond legendary actually. Go look it up.This land was called "Arabia Felix" by the ancient Romans and Greeks because of its riches. It was indeed blessed. ANd it saw the rise of many great kingdoms, like Himyar, Sheba, and ISRAEL, which prospered from control of the maritime trade routes (as you called it).
Now..look closely at the topography of the entire region. The stars I have placed on the map denote the location of VOLCANOES.
As there are also 'overland route' which did not pass through 'southern coast of Arabia'
The overland route doesn't concern me, and has nothing to do with the events described in the Quran.
Now please note that when I say "Yemen", I don't necesarily mean the modern and (artifiical political entity) that we know. Yemen is ancient beyond what you perceive it to be. The word means joy and optimism. From this comes the word "tayammun", because the ancient Arabs always felt optimism when they traveled towards it. There was no such thing as Saudi Arabia back then. The Saudis are nothing but agents of colonial Brittain who annexed this region and claimed it as their own. In factm they even annexed a good chunk of Yemen (this is historical fact). The original border of Yemen was farther north that it is today.
Now...look closely at the topography of the entire region. Look at Jordan and Palestine. DO you see any mountains whose altitude is even remotely close to those mountains in Arabia? Where are the volcanoes you are talking about? The mountains of Arabia are called "Al - Surat", which means "The Heights" (high elevated place).
Yes, there ARE volcanoes in Ethiopia. No one is denying that. BUT THE QURAN WAS NOT REVEALED IN ETHIOPIA. I am not sure what you are trying to prove.
You see the blue circle I have placed on that map? Here's the deal ALL the events mentioned in the Quran took place there. ALL the prophets lived and preached there. Noah, Abraham, Lot, Jacob, the Israelites, Moses , Esau (not Jesus), David, Solomon, Muhamad....They were ALL there. So are the places mentioned in the Quran. Baka, Aad (the descendants of Noah's people), Sheba, Thamud, al- Tur (where God spoke to Moses), the Holy Sacntuary....They are ALL there. Arabic, the ancient, perrenial and "fitri" tongue of mankind emerged from there. The 'Garden" of Adam was there, in the Heights. HUMAN LIFE AS WE KNOW IT BEGAN THERE. This is the truth that you people are refusing to accept.
Palestine was NOTHING.
The whole point of the thread is to prove this. And I WILL prove it.
The Greek and Roman historians and geographers, like Strabo, Herodotus, and many others, when they visited the lands of Palestine and Syria in ancient times, and made a study of its people, stated very clearly that the origin of all these Semitic races can be traced back to South West Arabia. That region is the wource of all Semitic migrations.
Back to the subject of Lot
THe Quran tells us the following facts
1- They were obliterated by a Volcanic Eruption
2- The remains of their town are VERY CLOSE to the place where Muhammad was preaching the Quran. (They passed by it day and night in their travels)
3- It was along a well-established trade route.Which region fits all these criteria? Definately nit Jordan or Palestine. Certainly not Ethiopia (despite the volcanoes) and it sure as Hell isn't India, China, or Malaysia (despite the riches).
These events took place inside that blue circle.
Now, take a look at theis next map
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The red arrow (from Iraq to Palestine) indicates the direction that the Jews and Zionist want is to believe was taken by the Assyrians and Babylonians when they marched on ancient Israel" (Which they insist was in Palestine).
But if you have carefully read my first two posts in this thread, you will come to the realization that ancient Israel was in Yemen, and bordered Sheba's kingdom. The Israelites were a thorn in the waist of the Mesopotamians. The black arrow shows the true direction of the Assyrian and Babylonian campaigns. They were directed to South West Arabia, in order to discipline the rebelious tribes who controlled the trade routes.
Thus, Bani Israel were from among the ancient and extinct Qahtani Arab tribes, who were originally in Yemen. The grandfather, Abram-Abrahm was born in YEMEN.
The stories of the Torah mention the following names Aden, Hazaramaveth, Uzal, and Ramah.
Do you know what those names are? They are places in YEMEN.
Aden is in Yemen
Hazaramaveth is Hadramoot in YEMEN
Uzal is the ancient and ancestral name of Sana'a in YEMEN. (go look up "Uzal" or "Ozal" in any encyclopaedia...ask any Yemeni, and he will confirm this)
Ramah is a river valley in YEMEN.The Torah is nothing but the account of Bani Israel, and their trials and ordeals in SOUTH WEST ARABIA.
The events of the Torah did not take place in Egypt, nor in Palestine, nor in Ethipia, nor in India, nor in Lebanon, nor in China or Malaysia.
They took place in that blue circle.
Peace...
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For me it is out of the question that bkk could be confused with the bqa3 there is just one consonant that matches. If that goes, anything goes. And 3ain is not a letter that any Arabic speaker misses. It is funny that it should be present in Lebanon and absent in Arabia.
Salaam
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Can u explain please why At-Tur is mount Sinai ?
Pl see location of At Tur
http//www.google.com.pk/imgres?imgurl=http//www.aquatours.com/egypt/misc_pics/map_sinai_and_suez2.jpg&imgrefurl=http//www.aquatours.com/liva/itin_turkia_wreck.htm&h=599&w=590&sz=146&tbnid=-LHSttGCzAo2jM&tbnh=90&tbnw=89&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dgulf%2Bof%2Bsuez%2Bmap%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=gulf+of+suez+map&docid=dMo-GJdoHIzANM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NUKtTq7WB8TE8QPP8bi8Cw&sqi=2&ved=0CDoQ9QEwBQ&dur=31
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Thank you Pazuzu
The Jews occupying Palestine today are Europeans and Khazars. They have NOTHING to do with Bani Israel whatsoever
I agree completely! There is plenty of proof for that out there.
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after reading this thread..i was wondering..why god only send down the book into middle east's populatuon..looks like god didn't care about other population?
No, he sent prophets everywhere
Solomon and David, were in Rome, Masjud Haram = Vatican of Roma
http//images.travelpod.co.uk/users/rcadventures/1.1274918852.vatican-city-st-peter-s-square-from-the-dome.jpg
The temple of Solomon, Massjid Harammore proofs
Allah said, The Jinn ( genuises, eveil people and good ones, worked for him, they buit for him, Jufane ( Fountains ) -- must be marvelous, and breathtaking, and cannot be duplicated, cause it was the wish of solomon ( Statuee) also has to be in abundance and marvellous etc..
http//www.paradoxplace.com/Perspectives/Rome%20&%20Central%20Italy/Rome/Rome_Churches/San_Pietro_in_Vaticano/Images/800/Vatican-Fountain2-May05-D0493sAR800.jpgJesus Nassiriya (modern name Bejaia) occupied by the frensh
http//www.vudd-labo.org/baoff/bibliotheque/images/fle1318677680le_jardin_d_essai_du_Hamma.jpg
Home garden of Jesus, called Garden of Essai, or Jardin d'Essai
Shuaib (Archimed) Mediteraneen city Tel Mizen, called now Tlemecen, his name is Shuaib Bu Median, his grave still vitited , as a holy man, a saint, but not the messenger
http//www.algerie-monde.com/actualite/article2495.jpg
city of sidi shaib bumedianLot ( Plato ) is from Greece
picture of prophet LOTT
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Plato_Silanion_Musei_Capitolini_MC1377.jpg/400px-Plato_Silanion_Musei_Capitolini_MC1377.jpg
Lot , city that was destroyed is called Santorini, u can google it
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Ia_Santorini-2009-1.JPG
City destroyed by lava , most of the islands sunk
Abraham ( Egypt, Alexandrai )
Saba is spain, where the Queen the suslited to Solomon, In Roma
Luqman ( Russia ) called Eloq, known as the wise man and his son - u can google his story -
Jesus , was in UM Al QURA , AFRICA now, AMERCIA us a new UMQURA , and one of the prophets , buillt a country that is known now as the USA , their constitution came directly from the Quran, and wasn't written by the illuminatis washingtonETC...
If someone need an explanation, as to why these prophets and these cities, we will discuss it, from the qura, AND gerography/archeology, but only backed by the quran
well, if ROMA was the MAsjid Haram, than where is the Masid Aqssa ??? it is called Constantine, a city on top of a mountain, it still exists, totally ignored by medias, or archeologists and historians, Ignored volunteeraly, U can google this Masjid Aqsa Constantine, theory, and see the PICS
http//ehprod.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/8104881472.jpg
Constantine - North Africa - Arab = Qustantina - Quast JusticeFor now, I have more pictures and cities of the messengers of the Quran, I will share only if u feel, this research is interesting, and in the same time, if prouven, VERY dangerous for the illuminati, THE FRENSH / BRITISH , who did the biggest crime against mankind by altering and hiding the True history, during the 18th and 19th centuries, when colonised the whole world
Well, with all this, I can add someting else, that might sound weird ; MEKA is MACEDONIA, Called in local dialect MAKE DONIA , in the quran BATNI MAKKA , same meaning, it is the place where alroum were defeated by one of the prophets
