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Salam Sister
I am sorry if I wrote in a way which could have come across as condensending. You are a smart person, I can see that from what you write, I didn't want you to think I am only adressing alcohol per-se. I wanted to share with you that there are places in the world where people have actually managed to find balance, and alcohol is described in the Quran as good as well as evil so it is a good example to use. On a side note I want to make clear that my country is not a good example of having a healthy attitude towards alchohol, I was referring more to our neigbour Germany. No, my country is more of a sad example of a government putting strict rules on the people without realizing they in practice take away people's ability to find a healthy attitude. The rules on under-age drinking is very strict here, the result is that when people turn 20 they try to make up for all those years "missed". IMO I think it is crazy to make people wait until they have a driver's license, no parental influence and probably a job enabling them to financially support their alcohol consumption. Recipe for disaster....But still we are blessed in the way that we actually grow out of adolesence and become a bit more responsible, not something you can say for the english speaking countries of this world elektro
I guess I'm saying the same thing that your mom did. Believe in God, not what man says about God. I come from the other side of your coin, I too had to tell my school and all that went to it to go screw themselves, not because they were religious but for being too non-religious...... Like I said before they have a good reason to throw out religion, nobody expects the victim to love the oppressor. The church was not nice to the people and finally the people rebelled.
I totally get where you are coming from. You need to break free from the schackles and repunt islam as practiced in order to find God. That is the direction I think you should go before the wounds inflicted by the salafis and other crazies become too deep for you to recover from. But that does not mean you must switch sides, you do not need to become an atheist. You just need to reboot your conception of God and start all over without any reflection of other people's conception.By the way, I know where the moderate muslims are. They are here.
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@Emil.
Are our views and beliefs based on the Koran with respect to drinking alcohol. Actually, I have consumed alcohol in the form of medicine (cough syrups). Does that make me less righteous?
There are muslims who won't cook or eat anything with alcohol in it (although most alcoholic content has been evaporated in the cooking process), anything marinated in alcohol or fried in beer batter (the fried food doesn't have alcohol in it), won't take any medications with alcohol in it.... I think it behooves us to question these views/beliefs.
I guess the question to be asked first is how do you define righteous? what characteristic, behavior or action is righteous?
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the answers to your questions hopefully will lead you to conclude there is Islam per God and then there is Islam per men. the 'school' you are questioning and confused by is the Islam per men. vast majority belong to this school of Islam according to men. the answers are in the Koran. you are in the right path with questioning and hope in time, you will go from being 'confused' to 'notconfused.'
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@Emil.
Are our views and beliefs based on the Koran with respect to drinking alcohol. Actually, I have consumed alcohol in the form of medicine (cough syrups). Does that make me less righteous?
There are muslims who won't cook or eat anything with alcohol in it (although most alcoholic content has been evaporated in the cooking process), anything marinated in alcohol or fried in beer batter (the fried food doesn't have alcohol in it), won't take any medications with alcohol in it.... I think it behooves us to question these views/beliefs.
I guess the question to be asked first is how do you define righteous? what characteristic, behavior or action is righteous?
Salam
Of course it doesn't make you less righteous. I believe alcohol and righteoussnes are two completely different subjects. Allah has clearly put a warning label on alcohol and also said He does not want to listen to a drunken prayer, and that's it. Being righteous is described elsewhere
Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but pious is one who believes in God and the Last Day, and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives money out of love to the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves; and who upholds the contact prayer, and who contributes towards purification; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of hardship and adversity and when in despair. These are the ones who have been truthful, and these are the righteous. -
Peace Confused. I am sure there are good Arabs same as with any other type in the world. Don't tell you self stuff like I don't want an Arab. There has to he god arabs out there like with any other nation in the world. Also, try and listen to sufis intetpretation of the Quran and you will see its ok to Mary anyone, even if they are not a Muslim. And if you ever want to talk about anything privately you can pm me if you wish.
Thanks
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Salam Sister
I am sorry if I wrote in a way which could have come across as condensending. You are a smart person, I can see that from what you write, I didn't want you to think I am only adressing alcohol per-se. I wanted to share with you that there are places in the world where people have actually managed to find balance, and alcohol is described in the Quran as good as well as evil so it is a good example to use. On a side note I want to make clear that my country is not a good example of having a healthy attitude towards alchohol, I was referring more to our neigbour Germany. No, my country is more of a sad example of a government putting strict rules on the people without realizing they in practice take away people's ability to find a healthy attitude. The rules on under-age drinking is very strict here, the result is that when people turn 20 they try to make up for all those years "missed". IMO I think it is crazy to make people wait until they have a driver's license, no parental influence and probably a job enabling them to financially support their alcohol consumption. Recipe for disaster....But still we are blessed in the way that we actually grow out of adolesence and become a bit more responsible, not something you can say for the english speaking countries of this world elektro
I guess I'm saying the same thing that your mom did. Believe in God, not what man says about God. I come from the other side of your coin, I too had to tell my school and all that went to it to go screw themselves, not because they were religious but for being too non-religious...... Like I said before they have a good reason to throw out religion, nobody expects the victim to love the oppressor. The church was not nice to the people and finally the people rebelled.
I totally get where you are coming from. You need to break free from the schackles and repunt islam as practiced in order to find God. That is the direction I think you should go before the wounds inflicted by the salafis and other crazies become too deep for you to recover from. But that does not mean you must switch sides, you do not need to become an atheist. You just need to reboot your conception of God and start all over without any reflection of other people's conception.By the way, I know where the moderate muslims are. They are here.
Yeah but how many people are in this forum? And let's not forget that the Quranists are reviled by the rest of the Muslim community.
But yes I agree with you. I need to fix this fast before the damage becomes irreversible. I decided today to make a concentrated effort to find answers. I reckon it's better than the confused state I am living in right now. However, I also decided not to think of myself as a Muslim (at least temporarily) until I feel better about my faith. This meant that I stopped praying today, which is really hard since I've been pretty good about my prayers since I turned 15. It also meant that I cannot read Ayet El Kursi 30 or 40 times a day, as I usually do which is killing me by the way. I tend to read Ayet El Kursi whenever I am stressed or worried or want things to go my way. Since I am an anxious person that usually adds up to 30 or 40 times a day Today, my work wasn't going very well and I was just about to read Ayet El Kursi to ask God to make it more smooth. Then I had to remind myself that I can't do that anymore. It's difficult to live without God after you've had him in your life for 31 years.
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It's difficult to live without God after you've had him in your life for 31 years.
Tell me about it. For me it is difficult to live with God after you've had him not in your life for almost the same amount of years
You were asking where all the moderate muslims are. Sorry sister I wasn't referring to this forum. I was talking about my neighbours. My apologies for not being clear.I think you are doing the right thing. Start over, reboot and meet God as a stronger person.
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ok - now, i am confused. why do you need to recite ayet el kursi when stressed? can't you just tell God, i am distressed and please help me? why can't you just talk to God?
and not saying salat means you are not a muslim? since when? says who? am i misunderstanding something here?
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why do you need to recite ayet el kursi when stressed? can't you just tell God, i am distressed and please help me? why can't you just talk to God?
Salaam,
Very well said bravo
May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr
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ok - now, i am confused. why do you need to recite ayet el kursi when stressed? can't you just tell God, i am distressed and please help me? why can't you just talk to God?
and not saying salat means you are not a muslim? since when? says who? am i misunderstanding something here?
For me prayer is one of the most fundamental aspects of Islam, so stopping it is a big deal for me.
As for Ayet El Kursi, no, it is not mandatory to read it when you are stressed. But the words in the Aya really soothe me so I used to read it a lot during the day.
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I don't agree that prayer (by this I am assuming you mean 'salat' is the fundamental aspect of Islam. Says who? People or God?
Fundamental aspect of Islam is (I believe) and I quote Sura 2ayat 62 "surely the believers and the Jews, Nazareans and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day, and whosoever does right shall have his reward with his Lord and will neither have fear nor regret."
Per Sura 29ayat 45....'surely prayer keeps you away from the obscene and detestable, but the remembrance of God is greater far..."
Piety/righteousness is the fundamental aspect of Islam.
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Are your views/beleifs/understanding based on teachings of the Koran or based on culture, tradition, what we have been told is Islam and practiced by people?
The moment you think about God, you establish connection. Sura 2186 - the moment you call upon God, He is near. You can make a connection with God anytime, anywhere.
Yes, salat is a way to make that connection with God but it has been turned into ritual, basically a tradition, or a habit obsessing over numbers and form than the intended purpose.
Salat is prescribed as it has been before for reasons as explained by God. How many people you know who pray 5 times and then in between making their connection, fornicate, lie, hurt, backbite, disrespect, oppress, unkind, uncaring, untrustworthy, etc..The fundamental of Islam is belief in God and in the life hereafter and attaining piety. A good muslim or practicing muslim is someone who does good works, is a good person. If you don't do salat that doesn't mean you are not a muslim or a practicing muslim.
There is Islam per God and then there is Islam according to men.