Inheritance according to Qur?an

[Noon_waalqalami]

Peace herbman,

Notice the switch " to them" with " to you" otherwise the math would not work.
Example 4 wives, no child, each wife would get 1/4, leaves nothing for the parents.

412
and to you half what left your spouses if not was to them waladun/offspring/child
so if kana/is (masculine) to them walad (if to deceased/wife a male child/born) so to you the fourth

and to them the fourth from what you left if not was to you waladun/offspring/child
so if kana/is (masculine) to you walad (if to deceased/husband a male child/born) so to them (feminine plural) the eight

Few more examples...

wife-1 (son)
wife-2 (son)
wife-3 (no child)
wife-4 (no child)
if son = true
if no child = false
wives share = 1/8 fixed
parent share = 1/6 fixed
1 - 1/3 parents - 1/8 wives = 13/24 sons

wife-1 (daughter)
wife-2 (no child)
wife-3 (no child)
wife-4 (no child)
if son = false
if no child = false
wives share = variable
1 - 1/2 daughter = 1/2 wives (1/8 each)

wife-1 (son)
wife-2 (daughter)
wife-3 (no child)
wife-4 (no child)
if son = true
if no child = false
wives share = 1/8 fixed
1 - 1/8 wives = 7/8 children (7/24 daughter + 7/12 son) 21 ratio male to female

[herbman]

Thanks a lot Noon.

It is very helpfull and instructive.

[Notexceling]

Hi guys,

I think I finally worked out inheritance.

https//drive.google.com/file/d/0B6KVs7S_G7YEQkN5Y3RlZmJzOFE/edit?usp=sharing

Here is a simple questionnaire that highlights the respective ayat related to your situation.

Answer the 5 questions, Get your answer.

Let me know if there are any problems....Been testing it seems to work fine.

Go to File and press download (doesnt work on the google drive, requires conditional formatting)

I need all the feedback I can get. Test it and tell me if you find errors.

[Noon_waalqalami]

Hi guys,

I think I finally worked out inheritance.

https//drive.google.com/file/d/0B6KVs7S_G7YEQkN5Y3RlZmJzOFE/edit?usp=sharing

Here is a simple questionnaire that highlights the respective ayat related to your situation.

Answer the 5 questions, Get your answer.

Let me know if there are any problems....Been testing it seems to work fine.

Go to File and press download (doesnt work on the google drive, requires conditional formatting)

I need all the feedback I can get. Test it and tell me if you find errors.

Peace Notexceling,

Incomplete, erroneous translation e.g. kalala, walad, etc., nor does it cover all combinations or give distributions.

Perhaps as an exercise distribute parents die leave property jointly owned.
3 children heirs; 2 sisters and 1 half-brother from father's first marriage

CASE 1 father dies then later that same day the mother
CASE 2 mother dies then later that same day the father
CASE 3 parents perish simultaneously as in an accident

Here are all the combinations that the calculator needs to consider ?

Daughter/s
Son/s
Father
Mother
Wife/Husband
Sister/s
Brother/s

Daughter/s, Son/s
Daughter/s, Father
Daughter/s, Mother
Daughter/s, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father
Son/s, Mother
Son/s, Wife/Husband
Son/s, Sister/s
Son/s, Brother/s
Father, Mother
Father, Wife/Husband
Father, Sister/s
Father, Brother/s
Mother, Wife/Husband
Mother, Sister/s
Mother, Brother/s
Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Sister/s, Brother/s

Daughter/s, Son/s, Father
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother
Daughter/s, Son/s, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Son/s, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother
Daughter/s, Father, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Father, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Father, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Mother, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother
Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband
Son/s, Father, Sister/s
Son/s, Father, Brother/s
Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband
Son/s, Mother, Sister/s
Son/s, Mother, Brother/s
Son/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Son/s, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Son/s, Sister/s, Brother/s
Father, Mother, Wife/Husband
Father, Mother, Sister/s
Father, Mother, Brother/s
Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Father, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Father, Sister/s, Brother/s
Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s

Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband
Son/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Son/s, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Father, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s

Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s

Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s

Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s

[Noon_waalqalami]

Perhaps as an exercise distribute parents die leave property jointly owned.
3 children heirs; 2 sisters and 1 half-brother from father's first marriage

CASE 1 father dies then later that same day the mother
CASE 2 mother dies then later that same day the father
CASE 3 parents perish simultaneously as in an accident

Peace, here are distributions for reference.

CASE 1 fathers? half property
1/8 wife
7/8 children (7/32 each daughter + 7/16 half-brother from fathers first marriage)
Then mothers 1/2 property + 1/8 to daughters (half-brother zero, not his mother)

CASE 2 mothers? half property
1/4 husband
3/4 daughters (half-brother zero, not his mother)
Then fathers 1/2 property + 1/4 to 3 children (3/16 each daughter and 3/8 to son)

CASE 3 parents perish simultaneously as in an accident
? mother?s half property to daughters (half-brother zero, not his mother)
? father?s half property to 3 children (1/8 to each daughter and 1/4 to son)

[Noon_waalqalami]

Wanted to link threads; two ways to resolved the contradictions

1. using 1, 2, or 3+ female to male ratios for children and siblings
2. toggle meaning of walad as exampled in this thread and below

Peace NielsJacob

It has to do with definition of walad and we know from 411 that either sex is included.
411 directs you the god in awldikum/children yours

Likewise with cross-reference we know yakun can refer to either sex.
2196 ... to whom not yakun/that be family his present

Likewise with cross-reference we know that ? family his? includes females
2932 and family his except lady his be she (f/s) from the remain behind

Whereas kana/be he (m/s) always refers to masculine

Example Case 3 daughters, husband

411 so if kunna/be they (f/p) nisan/womenfolk above two (f)
so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3)

412 and for you half what left spouses yours
if not yakun/that be for them walad (if no child 1/2)
so if kana/be (m/s) for them walad so for you the fourth

Therefore husband share is left variable/undefined this particular case and gets 1/3 remainder.
1/2 if no child = false
1/4 if son = false

That?s only non-contradicting reading far as I know for all combinations without surplus/deficit.

Contradiction excess 2/3 + 1/4 = 0.9167
1/2 if no child = false
1/4 if child = true

Contradiction deficit 2/3 + 1/2 = 1.1667
1/2 if no son = true
1/4 if son = false

4176 ... shows the god for you lest stray yeh and the god in every thing knower

[Noon_waalqalami]

Peace ? needed to update definition of Kalala as also a person who leaves no daughters as heirs else there is a contradiction in 412 and key difference whether to apply 412 presence of son or 4176 no son.

Thus siblings only inherit together with mother and/or son/s and never with daughter/s, spouse, or father.

411 directs you the god in children yours to the male similitude apportion the two (feminine) so if be/are (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above two (feminine) so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3*2=2/3) what left and if be she (f/s) one (f/s) so for her the half and to parents dual his to each one from them dual the sixth from what left if be (s/m) for him waladun/born (son) so if not that be for him waladun/born (child) and heirs parents dual his so to mother his the third so if be (s/m) for him ikh'watun/brother so to mother his the sixth from after will have made in it or judgment fathers yours and sons yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god be knowledge of wisdom of

412 and for you half what left spouses yours if not that be for them waladun/born (child) so if be (m/s) for them waladun/born (son) so for you the fourth from what left they from after will made they in it or judgment and for them the fourth from what left thou you if not that be for you waladun/born (child) so if be (s/m) for you waladun/born (son) so to them the eight from what left thou you from after will thou making in it or judgment and if be (m/s) rajulun/man inherited kallatan/fatherless spouse-less daughter-less (i.e. mother, son/s, and/or siblings are only heirs) or im'ra-atun/lady and to him brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth so if be they of (2+) more from such so they partners in the third from after will is recommended in it or judgment other than harmful will from the god and the god know-er forbear-er

4176 they seek ruling your say the god gives a ruling you in al-kallati/the fatherless spouse-less daughter-less (i.e. mother, son/s, and/or siblings are only heirs) if person perished not for him waladun/born (son) and for him sister so for her half what left and he inherits it if not that be for her waladun/born (son) so if be dual (f/d) two (f/d) so to them dual (f/d) the third dual (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left and if be they of (2+) ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk so to the male similitude apportion the two (feminine) shows the god for you lest stray yeh of and the god in every thing know-er

Examples

If children mixed 21 male to female (411)

3 daughters 2/3 (no son/s), 1/3 (parent/s and/or spouse) share equally
2 daughters (no son/s, unstated), parent/s, spouse; they share equally
1 daughter 1/2 (no son/s), 1/2 (parent/s and/or spouse); share equally

1/3 parents, 2/3 son/s or children mixed 21 male to female
1/3 mother, 2/3 father

1/2 husband, 1/2 parent/s (412 if no child)
1/4 husband, 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 5/12 children mixed 21 male to female (412 if son)

1/4 wife, 3/4 parent/s (412 if no child)
1/8 wife, 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 13/24 son/s or children mixed 21 male to female (412 if son)

412 ... and if be (m/s) rajulun/man inherited kallatan/fatherless spouse-less daughter-less (i.e. mother, son/s, and/or siblings are only heirs) or im'ra-atun/lady and to him brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth

1/6 mother, 1/6 sibling, 2/3 son/s

412 ... so if be they of (2+) more from such so they partners in the third

1/6 mother, 1/3 siblings (share equally), 1/2 son/s

4176 they seek ruling your say the god gives a ruling you in al-kallati/the fatherless spouse-less daughter-less (i.e. mother, son/s, and/or siblings are only heirs) if person perished not for him waladun/born (son) and for him sister so for her half what left and he inherits it if not that be for her waladun/born (son)

1+ brothers 5/6, mother 1/6 (411)
1 sister 1/2, mother 1/2

4176 ... so if be dual (f/d) two (f/d) so to them dual (f/d) the third dual (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left

2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each), mother 1/3
3+ sisters unstated share equally
3 sisters (1/4 each), mother 1/4
4 sisters (1/5 each), mother 1/5
5 sisters (1/6 each), mother 1/6

4176 ... and if be they of (2+) ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk so to the male similitude apportion the two (feminine) shows the god for you lest stray yeh of and the god in every thing know-er

21 male to female ratio siblings mixed
1/6 mother (411), 5/6 siblings mixed 21 male to female

[Noon_waalqalami]

Peace,

This has been puzzling me for a long time ? where is distribution for exactly two daughters?

411
so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above ith'natayni/two
so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3*2=2/3) what left
and if knat/be she (f/s) widatan/one (f/s) so for her the half

Lane, An Arabic English Lexicon
? thus one says, (Mgh, Msb) i. e. Ten is above nine; meaning ten exceeds nine
... also, in the Kur iii. 12], (Mgh, Msb) exceeding two

Likewise puzzling, where is distribution for 3+ sisters?

4176
so if knat/be (f/d) ith'natayni/two
so to them dual the third each from what left

The answer I believe has been there the whole time 4176 which is not two sisters.
Read closely the part right after if no child which then gives case for two daughters!

4176
they seek ruling your say the god gives a ruling you in al-kallati/the fatherless spouseless
if im'ru-on/person perished not for him waladun/born (child)
and for him sister so for her half what left
and he inherits it if not that be for her waladun/born (child)

so if knat/be (f/d) ith'natayni/two (daughters!)
so to them dual the third each from what left

and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude share the two (feminine)

Kalala case - fatherless spouseless, no child
1 sister 1/2, mother 1/2
2+ sisters, mother (share equally)

1+ brothers 5/6, mother 1/6 (411)

If siblings mixed 21 male to female (4176)
1/6 mother (411), 5/6 siblings mixed 21 ratio

Kalala case - fatherless spouseless, no son
3+ daughters 2/3 (411), sibling/s 1/3 (If siblings mixed 21 male to female 4176)
2 daughters 2/3 (4176), sibling/s 1/3
1 daughter 1/2 (411), sibling/s 1/2

3+ daughters 2/3 (411), (sister/s, mother) 1/3 share equally
2 daughters 2/3 (4176), (sister/s, mother) 1/3 share equally
1 daughter 1/2 (411), (sister/s, mother) 1/2 share equally

3+ daughters 2/3 (411), mother 1/6, brother/s 1/6
2 daughters 2/3 (4176), mother 1/6, brother/s 1/6
1 daughter 1/2 (411), mother 1/6, brother/s 1/3

3+ daughters 2/3 (411), mother 1/6, siblings mixed 1/6 (21 male to female 4176)
2 daughters 2/3 (4176), mother 1/6, siblings mixed 1/6
1 daughter 1/2 (411), mother 1/6, siblings mixed 1/3

412
and if be rajulun/man inherited kallatan (fatherless spouseless) or im'ra-atun/lady
and to him brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth
so if kn/be they of more from such so they partners in the third

Kalala case - fatherless spouseless, has son
1/6 sister/brother, 5/6 son/s or children mixed (21 male to female 411)
1/3 siblings, 2/3 son/s or children mixed

It needs to be resolved in 412 language to distinguish presence of son else contradicts if only daughters?

[Noon_waalqalami]

Kalala case - fatherless spouseless, has son
1/6 sister/brother, 5/6 son/s or children mixed (21 male to female 411)
1/3 siblings, 2/3 son/s or children mixed

It needs to be resolved in 412 language to distinguish presence of son else contradicts if only daughters?

Peace everyone,

Final notes to explain logic especially Kalala (fatherless spouseless daughterless).

Cannot say Kalala is fatherless spouseless with son then say in 4176 if no child.
That would be contradictory, like defining Kalala fatherless then say if no parent!

4176 siblings mixed no child (21 male to female) and father ? unsolvable! Father cannot inherit with siblings.
412 wife 1/4 no child, 1/2 sister (4176 no child) ? 1/4 too much! Spouse cannot inherit with siblings.
411 daughter 1/2, sibling 1/6 (412) ? 1/3 too much! Daughters cannot inherit with siblings.

411
directs you the god in awldikum/children yours
lildhakari/to the male similitude share al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)

If children mixed 21 male to female ratio

so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above two so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3*2 = 2/3) what left

3 daughters 2/3 (2/9 each), parent/s and/or spouse 1/3

Lane, An Arabic English Lexicon
? thus one says, (Mgh, Msb) i. e. Ten is above nine; meaning ten exceeds nine
... Kur iii. 12], (Mgh, Msb) exceeding two.

2 daughters 2/3 (4176), parent/s and/or spouse 1/3

and if knat/be she (f/s) widatan/one (f/s) so for her the half

1 daughter 1/2, parent/s and/or spouse 1/2

and to parents dual his to each one from them dual the sixth from what left if kna/be (m/s) for him waladun/born (son)

1/6 mother, 1/6 father, 2/3 son/s or if children mixed 21 male to female

so if not yakun/that be for him waladun/born (child) and heirs parents dual his so to mother his the third

1/3 mother, 2/3 father

so if kna/be (s/m) for him ikh'watun/brother so to mother his the sixth

1/6 mother, 5/6 brother/s

from after a will have made in it or judgment fathers yours and children/sons yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god kana/be knowledge of wisdom of

412
and for you half what left azwjukum/spouses yours if not yakun/that be for them (f/p) waladun/born (child)

1/2 husband, 1/2 parent/s

so if kna/be (m/s) for them waladun/born (son) so for you the fourth from what left they (f/p) from after will made they (f/p) in it or judgment

1/4 husband, 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 5/12 son/s or if children mixed 21 male to female

and for them the fourth from what left thou you if not yakun/that be for you waladun/born (child)

1/4 wife, 3/4 parent/s

so if kna/be (s/m) for you waladun/born (son) so to them the eight from what left thou you from after will thou making in it or judgment

1/8 wife, 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 13/24 son/s or if children mixed 21 male to female

and if kna/be (m/s) rajulun/man inherited kallatan/fatherless spouseless daughterless (i.e. possible heirs are son, mother, and siblings) or im'ra-atun/lady and to him brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth

1/6 sister/brother, 5/6 son/s
1/6 sister/brother, 1/6 mother (411), 2/3 son/s

so if kn/be they of more from such so they partners in the third

1/3 siblings (share equally), 2/3 son/s
1/3 siblings (share equally), 1/6 mother (411), 1/2 son/s

from after will is recommended in it or judgment other than harmful will from the god and the god knower forbearer

4176
they seek ruling your say the god gives a ruling you in al-kallati/the fatherless spouseless daughterless if im'ru-on/person perished not for him waladun/born (child) and for him sister so for her half what left and he inherits it if not yakun/that be for her waladun/born (child)

Kalala case - (no child)
1 sister 1/2, mother 1/2
2+ sisters, mother (share equally)
1+ brothers 5/6, mother 1/6 (411)

so if knat/be (f/d) ith'natayni/two (daughters!) so to them dual (f/d) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = /3) from what left

2 daughters 2/3 (see 411)

and if kn /be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk falildhakari/so to the male similitude share al-unthayayni the two (feminine)

If siblings mixed 21 male to female ratio
1/6 mother (411), 5/6 siblings mixed 21 male to female ratio

shows the god for you lest stray yeh of and the god in every thing knower

[taalibul_ilm]

SubhaanAllah, 27 pages of confusion. As with any topic, in-depth discussion requires that you know the topic being discussed.

No need for such discussion when the `ulamaa' have already explained everything.

Please visit this site to learn ilmul faraa'idh in-depth http//inheritancelawsblog.wordpress.com/

[JavaLatte]

No need for such discussion when the `ulamaa' have already explained everything.

Bold To be honest, I dislike this statement.

So, how do you know that 'the ulamaa' have already explained everything?

Are they "gods"?

[taalibul_ilm]

Bold To be honest, I dislike this statement.

So, how do you know that 'the ulamaa' have already explained everything?

Are they "gods"?

To be honest, I saw this comment coming from a mile away.

Never said they were gods, but they know the deen better than us. You guys like to play the mantra of "Qur'an only", right? How about when Allah says, "Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know".

When you follow a madhab, you are following a group of scholars. Its the safe road. And honeslty speaking, the question of madhabs does not even really come up when talking about inheritance, as there is very little ikhtilaaf in inheritance laws. All scholars agree on almost every ruling when it comes to inheritance.

Entire volumes have been written on this topic by the `ulamaa in great detail, masha'Allah. And here you are, 27 pages, still as confused as ever.

Make your life easy, and take the deen from people who know more than you. If you try to figure out every ruling for yourself, you'll end up with a headache, and still have no understanding of the issue.

[taalibul_ilm]

The site will explain the concept of `awl and Radd. Only when these two concepts are understood will theconfusion subside, at least a little.

[Noon_waalqalami]

SubhaanAllah, 27 pages of confusion. As with any topic, in-depth discussion requires that you know the topic being discussed.

No need for such discussion when the `ulamaa' have already explained everything.

Please visit this site to learn ilmul faraa'idh in-depth http//inheritancelawsblog.wordpress.com/

Peace -- the site is full of errors and contradictions which were parroted from long ago.

The site will explain the concept of `awl and Radd. Only when these two concepts are understood will theconfusion subside, at least a little.

Using al-awl or algebra to normalize or increase/decrease evenly all shares to new values that are never mentioned in Qur'an can be used to wrongly "fix" surplus/shortfall any combinations.

Case which supposedly occurred during caliphate of Umar ibn Khattab.
A woman left husband, mother, 2 uterine brothers & 2 full brothers.

Umar initially gave 1/2 husband + 1/6 mother + 1/3 two uterine brothers which left nothing to the two full brothers.

The two full brothers argued that even if their father was a donkey or a stone cast into the sea and they had no paternal relationship, they still had the same and equal relationship with the deceased as the uterine brothers through the same mother.

Umar reconsidered allowed the two full brothers to inherit equally with uterine brothers the 1/3.

Please ask ulamaa' explain husband, mother, 2 uterine sisters, 2 full sisters & 2 full brothers?

Please state which verses you are using for all cases above and where Qur'an differentiates full and uterine siblings?

[taalibul_ilm]

Peace -- the site is full of errors and contradictions which were parroted from long ago.

Using al-awl or algebra to normalize or increase/decrease evenly all shares to new values that are never mentioned in Qur'an can be used to wrongly "fix" surplus/shortfall any combinations.

Case which supposedly occurred during caliphate of Umar ibn Khattab.
A woman left husband, mother, 2 uterine brothers & 2 full brothers.

Umar initially gave 1/2 husband + 1/6 mother + 1/3 two uterine brothers which left nothing to the two full brothers.

The two full brothers argued that even if their father was a donkey or a stone cast into the sea and they had no paternal relationship, they still had the same and equal relationship with the deceased as the uterine brothers through the same mother.

Umar reconsidered allowed the two full brothers to inherit equally with uterine brothers the 1/3.

Please ask ulamaa' explain husband, mother, 2 uterine sisters, 2 full sisters & 2 full brothers?

Please state which verses you are using for all cases above and where Qur'an differentiates full and uterine siblings?

Nope, no contradictions. You are only saying that because you reject Hadith, which are HALF of Islam.

The case which you've brought up is quite interesting. This is actually one of the few instances in inheritance law where there is disagreement among the scholars.

The Shafi'i scholars accept the ruling of 'umar.

According to the Hanafi madhab, however, the two full brothers will simply not inherit.

There is consensus of the 'ulamaa that verse 4176 refers to full and consanguine siblings, while 412 refers to uterine siblings. This si mentioned in the books of tafseer. Of course, you guys wouldn't understand this because you only go by the Qur'an.

'Awl has been proves through narrations where umar applied it. Even if you dont accept that, its been proven through qiyaas (analogy) for when the shares of creditors is proportionally decreased when the assets care not enough to pay them all off. Agian, these are narrations, NOT in the Qur'an, so you guys will obviously dismiss them all. Even though the Qur'an tells us to follow the example of Rasulullah (sallAllaahu alayhi wasallama) MANY TIMES and he (sallallaahu `alayhi wasallam) tells us to follow his sahaabah.

Now since you claim you don't need ahadeeth or narrations from the sahaabah, here is a question for you.

What happens when only a spouse is inheriting? Where does the residue go?

May Allah guide you all. Ameen.

[taalibul_ilm]

Where did you derive this ruling "When there is a spouse the siblings dont inherit"?

Incorrect. Siblings DO inherit in the presence of a spouse. Only when a Father (or fathers' father etc..) or son (or sons son etc..) is inheriting are the siblings deprived.

You are claiming contradiction in rules which have already been established for 1400 years by the true scholars of Sunni Islam, yet you dont even know the basics of the rules of exclusion!

I can see this will be a waste of time. Insha'Allah, will take my leave now. No point in conversing with hadith-rejectors.

[JavaLatte]

To be honest, I saw this comment coming from a mile away.

I think you still don't understand why I dislike that statement.

And, could you answer these

How do you know that 'the ulamaa' have already explained everything?

And why you choose Hanafi madhab?

Do you also follow another madhab? Or perhaps only Hanafi?

Never said they were gods, but they know the deen better than us.

How do you know that they follow the right path?

You guys like to play the mantra of "Qur'an only", right?

I think you still don't understand about us.

How about when Allah says, "Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know".

Do you think that the famous of 'the ulamaa/scholars' are the people of knowledge?

When you follow a madhab, you are following a group of scholars.

I do not want to follow a path that may put me in big trouble in the hereafter.

Those scholars are not my guardians.

Its the safe road.

I don't think so. The safe road is to follow the truth, and the truth is from God.

Entire volumes have been written on this topic by the `ulamaa in great detail, masha'Allah.

I don't care whether it has 'great' detail or not. I am not impressed with the teachings that mix between right and wrong, because something like that is potentially misleading.

And here you are, 27 pages, still as confused as ever.

I suppose you could use this 27 pages as materials to study if you want, but if you feel confused, then... perhaps you could check these pages at another time, such as if one day you decide to study Qur'an without the influence of scholars.

Make your life easy, and take the deen from people who know more than you.

Well, if what you mean is to take the deen from the people who follow madhab/s, then I think the above sentence sounds like persuasion to enter the Hell.

What I want is following the path that God teaches me. I do not want to follow madhab/s.

If you try to figure out every ruling for yourself, you'll end up with a headache, and still have no understanding of the issue.

Headache if we study the Qur'an? No, inshaAllah.

If we are patient and constantly regard Allah as our Teacher, then inshaAllah we can improve our understanding and gain wisdom without headache.

Salm.

[Man_of_Faith]

It is quite apparent that the so-called hadith of Muhammad follow interpretation errors of Quran. One can always wonder why.

Hundreds of invented religious rules, just like the Jews. Oh, by the way they are the same, just took the name Muslim after the prophet of Quran came around.

Be of one with God

[si_di]

How do People come to a 21 ratio of man to female,i read something different in the second ayat it is clear to read that unto the male is the equivalent of the share of two females so according to my reading the Distribution is like

Man-2/3; Two man-2/3;...

Women-1/2; Two women-2/3; Three women-2/3; Four women-2/3...
Can someone clarify?

[Man_of_Faith]

The whole inheritance invention is nonsense since why should women get less inheritance because she also supposedly has her husband and they are like one body so the inheritance goes to their family and the other part, if she had a brother, goes to him, and not as suggested here with 2/3 to brother and 1/3 to sister or what it is you suggest. It does not make sense. God does not make any particular difference between man and woman and together they are ONE family. Should one of the spouses "die" they are still one even if one of them is temporarily gone, so the possession shall remain with one half which is husband or wife depending on who outlives the other.

If a husband or wife dies the wealth hence obviously stays within the household even if the children have moved out unless there is some kind of will or the mother wants to hand out from the deceased husband/wife's possessions.

If both parents are dead then their children share equally, disregarding gender, what was in the household, unless there is a will which says something else, and it gets merged into respective household.

This is so natural that you need no written book to see how obvious it is.

Be of one with God