Inheritance according to Qur?an

Samira1234

I am as confused as I could get regarding inheritance. I feel like I am rolling around in the mud with only mud in sight.

And that is one reason why I think God has allowed the rather irreligeous "west" to gain power, to open up a door from which honest belief in God and His revelation by sincere muslims may access to another stage of social conscience and humanity. God knows nd we do not. Praised be He and may He shower His guidance on us.

God did not let the West gain power, the West with their mindset and thinking gained power for themselves. Some of the Muslim countries are more blessed with their overload of natural resources. Yet due to having Muslim mindset from the scripture, the countries do not progress more than what would have been possible. See countries like Singapore. They built their country from scratch and is now a developed country, mainly for their mindset. The West adopted spiritual values from the 10 Commandments of Moses and teachings from the New Testament of Jesus, who first brought the teaching of The "Golden Rule", on 'do unto others what you would want for yourself', which I see nearly absent or hypocritical at times in the Quran in it's current interpretations, which gave them the opportunity to write on human rights and having a better conscience. I appreciate our Muslims' sense of modesty and chastity though.

Looks like for a long time we Muslims would have to look up to the West to teach us on human rights, and even give us human rights by migrating to the West or seeking their help, which many Muslims do already.

Peace.

huruf

Go ahead, forget God and create the Church of the Divine West, and the divine bible with the devil Eve and its racists horrors and genocides.

Good luck.

Who are you trying to delude? For God's sake you seem to be swallowing the christianist bullshit. Those same that killed millions of women in the fire because they were witches. Who did away with any disidents by the harshest means, who very recently sent millions upon millions to death in two great wars, and destroyed Palestine and somalia, and iraq and Libya.

Go and suck up to them and good luck.

Salaam

Samira1234

@huruf

The spiritual values and teachings of Jesus in the New Testament are basically good ones. If the Christians cherry-pick his teachings only, the fruit would be good more or less. And it's not just the West, even the European countries and mostly founded on similar values and teachings. Sweden managed to deflect war in it's country during World War 2 through peaceful means. Scandinavian countries are all mostly peaceful. It's their mindset more than anything else which contributed to their current state of country. Iceland can easily be taken as a symbol for feminism, while being the developed and peaceful country it is.

Go ahead, forget God and create the Church of the Divine West, and the divine bible with the devil Eve and its racists horrors and genocides.

I wonder if the Muslims think and behave the same way when they migrate to the West and look up to them to give them their human rights, which they enforced in the first place.

I still have no idea how you interpreted the inheritance verse. An example of your theoretical explanation would be helpful.

Peace.

Samira1234

the divine bible with the devil Eve

Good you pronounced her name properly. Instead of calling her "the devil Adam's mate".

huruf

Samaria, spare us, or at least me, your tricks aat moving posts and acting like the Qur'an is shit and christianity and Bible this and the Bible that. You make sorry fake with those things. If yu are interested in the Qur'an, discuss it loyaly, which you have not done yet. If what you ar einterested in is in spiting poison against the Qur'an and even God, go ahead andmake a laughing stock of yourself, but do not expect to get a better answer than what you give.

Your rants against the Qur'an and against other things yoou are so kin in discrediting and you ever so sweetness and sweet Jesus and that pop christian crap hope give you some profit in some respect, as to respect itself I doubt they willg et you any, but I also doubt that it is respect you are after or after being taken seriously.

Samira1234

@huruf

There are a number of very good and beautiful teachings in the Quran. I appreciate that. But there seems to be an overwhelmingly large number of non-spiritual type teachings, which concerns me regarding the scripture. Just read Surah al-Anfal, al-Tawbah and al-Masad as examples. When contrasted with such types of teachings I appreciate the character and teachings of Jesus in the New Testament at a number of places. The Quran seems to be missing that spiritual depth within it. And no, I am not a Christian simply for appreciating Jesus.

I am just a truth seeker at this point, that's all.

Peace.

Noon_waalqalami

2 daughters are apportioned 2/3 of wealth of the deceased parent by Allah the Exalted, inalienably.
husband, mother, and father surviving are to be given according to the will of the deceased from the remaining 1/3rd.

Explain (no will) he was suddenly hit in the head with a brick?
Explain which part states exactly two daughters get 2/3?
Explain be consistent (no will) 2 sons, husband, mother, father?

Please use verses #'s for benefit of others state exactly which Arabic word/s you are translating as what in English.

http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.178/36.gif It is plural and is NOMINATIVE. It is the subject noun of deficient perfect verb "Kana", and is about its fronted predicate. It means "However, if brothers and sisters of the deceased also existed, thereby, the One Sixth shall be the share apportioned for his Mother."

Are you sure it's plural applicable to either sex and have you cross-referenced all occurrences without dialectic marks?

Then distribute (no will) hit with a brick 2 daughters, mother, 1 sister, 1 brother

Again, explain which verses you are applying and which Arabic word/s you are translating as what?

I still have no idea how you interpreted the inheritance verse. An example of your theoretical explanation would be helpful.

That reading/view is thus...

411 instructs you the god in awldikum/offspring yours

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hawk99

Hello hawk99,

Um, can you show me how you translated those specific verses I showed in my last posts? Only then I can understand your point better.

Peace.

Peace Samira1234

Thank you for replying to my post.

I see nothing wrong with your translations, therefore I can conclude you do not understand my point.
I am convinced that you truly believe what you have learned from your atheist teacher to be true,
we have no conflict. Allah creates all kind of people from prophets to devils and all in between.

As for the Quran you seem to be one of those who have been led astray by it

I will divert from My revelations those who are arrogant on earth, without justification.
Consequently, when they see every kind of proof they will not believe. And when they see the
path of guidance they will not adopt it as their path, but when they see the path of straying they
will adopt it as their path. This is the consequence of their rejecting our proofs, and being totally
heedless thereof.

The mirror effect
The inherently violent person will "see" the Quran as a warriors manual, the confused
person will be confused by it, the non-believer will see it as nonsense, the humble
person will be made content by it. The person in search of salvation can find wisdom
and salvation in its ayats. The tyrant will use it to further his agenda, the believer will
fall prostrate.

God bless you

peace

Samira1234

@Noon

"to the male similitude apportion the two (females)"

Which means the distribution, when two females and one male, is equal for all of them?

huruf

@huruf

There are a number of very good and beautiful teachings in the Quran. I appreciate that. But there seems to be an overwhelmingly large number of non-spiritual type teachings, which concerns me regarding the scripture. Just read Surah al-Anfal, al-Tawbah and al-Masad as examples. When contrasted with such types of teachings I appreciate the character and teachings of Jesus in the New Testament at a number of places. The Quran seems to be missing that spiritual depth within it. And no, I am not a Christian simply for appreciating Jesus.

I am just a truth seeker at this point, that's all.

Peace.

If you cannot find anything spiritual int he Qur'an I am sorry for you. It is not the Qur'an's fault that is for sure. The pparables of Jesus in the gospels are good. Some very, very good but I do not see what is the use of starting a competiton between parables and The Qur'an. If there is such competition of course I pick the Qur'an any time, but in fact, that bompetition you are bringing up is nonsense. Good things do not compete with each other and that competition things makes me distrust the sincerity of peopole who come up with it. For me there is no question fo choosing this rather than that when in fact there is no need of choosing, because AS THE QUR'AN SAYS there is only one religion which is self delivery to God, submission to God, some say, I don't like that translation of islam, but rather self-delivery into God's Mercy.

I spit in this idiocy of making prophets fight each other. Haven' you read the Qur'an and seen that we should not do that. That we must accept ll prophets and that God has sent prophets to all peopple and that they are all one, no conflict between them?

What 3isa taught is what all prophets have taught everywhere.

Salaam

Samira1234

@hawk99

So you see nothing wrong with the translations of those verses I mentioned earlier? Those verses give a crystal-clear picture of hell, which is a roaring and raging fire, with hell angels, zaqqum tree and pus for food, boiling water being poured on the person which will melt their insides, etc. And somehow "magically" you transformed all of them into allegories. When I ask you on them, you don't reply how you turned them into allegories, you call me "arrogant".

Seeing this verse

I will divert from My revelations those who are arrogant on earth, without justification.
Consequently, when they see every kind of proof they will not believe. And when they see the
path of guidance they will not adopt it as their path, but when they see the path of straying they
will adopt it as their path. This is the consequence of their rejecting our proofs, and being totally
heedless thereof.

The Western and the European countries are seemingly "diverted" from the Quran, and are apparently doing just fine, actually better than a number of Muslim countries, particularly those without natural resources such as oil. And what proofs am I rejecting? I am trying to see things clearly without being religiously indoctrinated as I was my whole life and saw things with rose-coloured lenses, and people are trying to put me back in that religious indoctrination again. I don't know why.

The mirror effect
The inherently violent person will "see" the Quran as a warriors manual, the confused
person will be confused by it, the non-believer will see it as nonsense, the humble
person will be made content by it. The person in search of salvation can find wisdom
and salvation in its ayats. The tyrant will use it to further his agenda, the believer will
fall prostrate.

In other words people according to their subjective conscience and reasoning will see things as they see fit. And this is actually a drawback of the Quran in it's current interpretations. A good person would practice the good teachings and ignore the bad and unjust parts in the Quran, and the one who is prone to violence and fleshly attitude would practice the bad and the unjust and ignore the good teachings. For me I am trying to see it all with an unbiased eye. And getting blamed for that now. It's obvious everybody is steeped in their religious indoctrination in their own way.

Peace.

Samira1234

@huruf

What 3isa taught is what all prophets have taught everywhere.

Yeah the Prophets were supposed to preach the same message. But then, also the character of Eisa and Muhammad are in several ways sky and earth different. Muhammad apparently didn't seem to be as peaceful and merciful as Jesus was, in character and personality. Even just seeing the Quran's verses.

Also check verse 665. In that verse the wives of Muhammad were threatened to either "shape up", or be divorced and replaced with another harem of women in their place. I wonder what on earth happened that would cause even Allah to send revelation to resolve the matter. I doubt the wives were "that" bad that they would be threatened to even be replaced with another set in their place.

665 It may be that he would divorce you, then his Lord will substitute other wives in your place who are better than you; submitting, believing, dutiful, repentant, worshipping, devout, mature and youthful.

Anyway, I don't think there is any point discussing these matters further. I guess I am pretty much done here. People are already hurling accusations on me being arrogant, biased to see the bad, etc.

Peace.

huruf

Peace Samira1234

Thank you for replying to my post.

I see nothing wrong with your translations, therefore I can conclude you do not understand my point.
I am convinced that you truly believe what you have learned from your atheist teacher to be true,
we have no conflict. Allah creates all kind of people from prophets to devils and all in between.

As for the Quran you seem to be one of those who have been led astray by it

I will divert from My revelations those who are arrogant on earth, without justification.
Consequently, when they see every kind of proof they will not believe. And when they see the
path of guidance they will not adopt it as their path, but when they see the path of straying they
will adopt it as their path. This is the consequence of their rejecting our proofs, and being totally
heedless thereof.

The mirror effect
The inherently violent person will "see" the Quran as a warriors manual, the confused
person will be confused by it, the non-believer will see it as nonsense, the humble
person will be made content by it. The person in search of salvation can find wisdom
and salvation in its ayats. The tyrant will use it to further his agenda, the believer will
fall prostrate.

God bless you

peace

Indeed. that is what I meant when I spoke about the French proverb

Love is like a Spanish inn, you eat there what you yourself bring.

Useless to look for sincerity when one is being unsincere, to look for help, when one does not offer help (even to oneself), to look for love when one does not have love in his or her heart.

God, is fair and just. Gives you what you ask for.

And a beautiful for all believers a beautiful aya

1. The heavens are almost rent asunder from above them and the angels celebrate the Praises of their Lord, and pray for forgiveness for (all) beings on earth Behold! Verily Allah is He, the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (5) And those who take as protectors others besides Him,- Allah doth watch over them; and thou art not the disposer of their affairs.

Is it not moving that God created beings to ask for His forgiveness for His creatures. Mercy upon Mercy, Light over light... Lahu al hamd, lahu alhamd, subhanallah, subhanallah, subhanallah

Salaam

Samira1234

@huruf

Is it not moving that God created beings to ask for His forgiveness for His creatures.

Why does God need to produce creatures to ask for our forgiveness? Can't He forgive us directly? Isn't that a form of intercession in heavens, of angels on behalf of us? I don't get why God would spend time setting up angels to ask for our forgiveness when He could directly forgive us.

Peace.

Mazhar

Peace,

Here are the verses which if followed literally will give precise amounts without excess/shortfall.

411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine) so if be females above two (feminine) so for them two thirds what left and if she was one so for her the half and for their parents to each one from them the sixth from what left if is to person walad/son so if not is to person waladun child/born and heirs person?s parents (if only parents) so to his mother the third so if is to person ikh'watun brothers/siblings (at least one male present) so to his mother the sixth from after a will have made in it or judgment your parents and your children not you know which of them closer to you benefit obligation from The God indeed The God is Knowing Wise

412 and for you half what left your spouse?s if not is for them waladun child/born so if is for them walad/son so for you the fourth from what they left from after a will they made in it or judgment and for them the fourth from what you left if not is to you waladun child/born so if is to you walad/son so for them the eight from what you left from after a will you made in it or judgment and if is a man inherited kallatan (fatherless spouseless) or woman and has a brother or sister so for each one from them the sixth so if they were more from that so they partners in the third from after a will is recommended in it or judgment not harmful a will from The God and The God Knowing Forbearing

4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kallati (the fatherless spouseless) if a person died is not to that person waladun child/born and has sister so for her half what left and he inherits it if not is to her waladun child/born so if were two (feminine) so to them the two thirds from what left and if they were ikh'watun brothers/siblings men/males and females so to the male like share the two (feminine) clarifies The God to you lest you stray and The God in every a thing Knowing

Pay careful attention to see 411 kalala no son; 412 kalala with son; 4176 the kalala no child/born.

Salam,

First of all you totally ignore the basic principles of reading a text. You realize not what is meant by a condition clause and its apodosis clause. When condition is not met, the apodosis clause is no more applicable and of legal consequence.

You also realize not that each conditional clause is exclusive to other situation/conditional clause.

You do not differentiate between different conjuncts, like Fa and Waw and Fa for apodosis.

You do not care to determine from where a sentence starts and where it ends.
You either know not or ignore a sentence by structure nor its type by meanings.
You realize not which word is the Subject of sentence and which word/s are its predicate.
You realize not who is the subject/noun of verb; and if subject/noun is hidden to whom it is referring.
You either know not as to what is the function of a prepositional phrase in a sentence or deliberately ignore it.

You care not about suffixed pronouns as to whom it refer.
Moreover, you care not whether verb is perfect or imperfect, and if imperfect what is its mood.

Please don't take offence, if you know above point please analyse the aforementioned Ayahs according to accepted norms of translating a text.

hawk99

Peace Samira1234

) Why are you so desperately seeking approval for your points of view? Don't feel so "picked on"
because folks don't agree with you. The best way to find agreement is to speak to likeminded people.
Many atheist, Christians, Hindus, and Jews would agree with you but not many Muslims. Many atheist,
Christians, Hindus, and Jews would not agree with me, realizing this, I would not trouble myself
with force feeding my point of view in their forums. If for some reason (which I can't conceive of
right now), I would expect to be barraged with disapproval.

God bless you

peace

huruf

@huruf

Why does God need to produce creatures to ask for our forgiveness? Can't He forgive us directly? Isn't that a form of intercession in heavens, of angels on behalf of us? I don't get why God would spend time setting up angels to ask for our forgiveness when He could directly forgive us.

Peace.

God needs? God does not need anything at all. He does whatever He pleases and He pleased to create what He has created.

And for sure one thing he doesn't need is your approval for anything or your believing anything, He did not need you either, so why do you exist? Do you think you are in a situation to ask justifications from God. If you do, it is very simple;read the Qur'an in order to learn instead of picking things here and there from it in order to provoke. Because everything yu ask is in the Qur'an, very succintly and neatly explained. But I guess you get your sheet of the day with provoking questions that suposedly should irk the believers and destabilise our foundations...

And, by the way, I didn't write that aya to make a trial before jury of it. I wrote it just as a word of mercy from God. You do not want mercy if it comes from Qur'an, that is your business. I do not think you are upsetting anybody here because of that. We are not pushing down your throat any Mercy at all. We are sturdy people and besides as you well know "we are brainwashed by the Qur'aan" O0 O0 O0 O0 O0

Salaam

hawk99

We are sturdy people and besides as you well know "we are brainwashed by the Qur'aan" O0 O0 O0 O0 O0

)

Samira1234

@huruf

And for sure one thing he doesn't need is your approval for anything or your believing anything, He did not need you either, so why do you exist? Do you think you are in a situation to ask justifications from God. If you do, it is very simple;read the Qur'an in order to learn instead of picking things here and there from it in order to provoke. Because everything yu ask is in the Qur'an, very succintly and neatly explained.

Yeah that's true. God can do anything He pleases. The reason why he created us is also explained

5156 I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to serve Me.

@hawk99

Why are you so desperately seeking approval for your points of view? Don't feel so "picked on"
because folks don't agree with you.

I guess it could be true what you are saying. These things I am raising had occurred to me since childhood, but I never bothered investigating that time and I was too young as well. Now that I am investigating, I am finding things as they go and am surprised that similar ideas did not occur to other Muslims, who have spend much more time than me studying the Quran. I wonder why. Now I might get some response to this such as "Allah did not open your heart to it since you are so arrogantly holding onto your biased opinions", something of this sort. Um.

Perhaps the reason I asked my "provoking-type" questions is to see other people's responses to them, and whether they feel the same about them as I do. And if they have an answer for them I would be welcome to them to learn more, as long as they made sense.

By the way I am not a Christian or an atheist, as people might think of me. I am a truth seeker. I pick up teachings and values from other moral systems too as long as they make sense.

I found some quotes as follows

?Doubt isn't the opposite of faith; it is an element of faith.?
Paul Tillich

?Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt.?
Richard P. Feynman

?The fear of God is not the beginning of wisdom. The fear of God is the death of wisdom. Skepticism and doubt lead to study and investigation, and investigation is the beginning of wisdom.?
Clarence Darrow

Lol, this one ?Part of me was afraid that if I raised my fist to the sky and demanded an answer now, I would hear a thundering and calloused, 'Because I said so," from God in heaven. And I may not ever want to speak to Him again.?
Sarah Thebarge

Peace.

good_logic

Peace Samira.

I am sure you have heard of the human rights declaration adopted in 1948?

Here are some articles from that declaration

Article 1 All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood

Qoran endorses this
Their Lord responded to them "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you male or female - you are equal to one another.?

Article2 Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.
Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty

Qoran endorses this

Say, "We believe in God, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are Muslimeen."

O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of God is the most righteous. God is Omniscient, Cognizant.

Article3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Qoran endorses this

You shall not kill any person - for God has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder, he will be helped.

Article4No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms

Qoran endorses this

Did we not show him the two paths? He should choose the difficult path. Which one is the difficult path? The freeing of slaves. Feeding, during the time of hardship.

Righteousness is not turning your faces towards the east or the west. Righteous are those who believe in God, the Last Day, the angels, the scripture, and the prophets; and they give the money, cheerfully, to the relatives, the orphans, the needy, the traveling alien, the beggars, and to free the slaves;?

Charities shall go to the poor, the needy, the workers who collect them, the new converts, to free the slaves, to those burdened by sudden expenses, in the cause of God, and to the traveling alien. Such is God's commandment. God is Omniscient, Most Wise.

...etc.We can all pick bits if we want...

Please study the Qoran as a whole, when one gets the basics right, like Who is GOD? Who are we?What is "true Islam? Why are we here as humans?Why did GOD create this vast universe but a minute and insignificant planet earth for us to inhabit?,,,etc Qoran gives you all the answers and the whole picture! You need all the pieces of the jigsaw to make the picture.

I hope you succeed.
GOD bless you.
Peace.