Inheritance according to Qur?an

Noon_waalqalami

In Arabic it is ridiculous to say "women more than two" when noun Nisaa is used which itself means women who are three or more in number.

Dear Mazhar, not ridiculous and exactly what is written!

411
nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above ith'natayni/two (females)

Nisaa in general refers to any and all females 1, 2, 3+ else clear contradiction...

4176
and if be they of siblings rijlan wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (females)

Does not above apply for "all combinations" including when exactly two females as written?

1 male 1 female
1 male 2 females
1 male 3+ females

2 males 1 female
2 males 2 females
2 males 3+ females

Mazhar

Dear Mazhar, not ridiculous and exactly what is written!

411
nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above ith'natayni/two (females)

Nisaa in general refers to any and all females 1, 2, 3+ else clear contradiction...

4176
and if be they of siblings rijlan wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (females)

Does not above apply for "all combinations" including when exactly two females as written?

1 male 1 female
1 male 2 females
1 male 3+ females

2 males 1 female
2 males 2 females
2 males 3+ females

Dear,

Nothing will go into your mind unless you forget for a while your formula. You compare two different structures of discourse and think they describe the same content.
Nisaa is a plural noun, it does not have singular; it has only diminutive to describe few women.
is explained as comprising of men and women. Then the equation is narrated by using a cardinal number; not that Nisaa has become one woman.

Noon_waalqalami

Dear,

Nothing will go into your mind unless you forget for a while your formula. You compare two different structures of discourse and think they describe the same content.
Nisaa is a plural noun, it does not have singular; it has only diminutive to describe few women.
is explained as comprising of men and women. Then the equation is narrated by using a cardinal number; not that Nisaa has become one woman.

Dear Mazhar, clearly you do not understand the situation nor studied subject.

Likewise numerous contradictions applying assumed grammar rules to Qur'an.

IF rijlan wanisan always means 3+ males and 3+ females

Then ask yourself Kalala case only siblings no child where are instructions?

1 sister 1 brother
1 sister 2 brothers
1 sister 3+ brothers

2 sisters 1 brother
2 sisters 2 brothers
2 sisters 3+ brothers

3+ sisters 1 brother
3+ sisters 2 brothers

No answer from you as usual or let's ask "Jude Judy" or take it to "The People's Hadith Court" does not suffice.

Peace!

Mazhar

Dear Mazhar, clearly you do not understand the situation nor studied subject.

Likewise numerous contradictions applying assumed grammar rules to Qur'an.

IF rijlan wanisan always means 3+ males and 3+ females

Then ask yourself Kalala case only siblings no child where are instructions?

1 sister 1 brother
1 sister 2 brothers
1 sister 3+ brothers

2 sisters 1 brother
2 sisters 2 brothers
2 sisters 3+ brothers

3+ sisters 1 brother
3+ sisters 2 brothers

No answer from you as usual or let's ask "Jude Judy" or take it to "The People's Hadith Court" does not suffice.

Peace!

Every situation is covered in Grand Qur'aan. Allah the Exalted has determined shares, the inalienable right which can not be taken away by including the deceased.

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Here before we have noticed that injunctions in Ayah 411 and earlier part of 412 are about such deceased who have surviving parents, both mother and father alive, and bereaved spouse. Fortunes vary if the deceased had a son or did not have alive son at the time of death. We have not as yet seen instructions about a man or woman who dies leaving a son but without a surviving spouse - either already died or separated by divorce, and is bereaved by a single parent, either mother or father. It is mentioned later with conjunction particle in Ayah 412

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However, if it were a man or a woman who is single-spouseless survived by a single parent and a son; while a brother or a sister is also alive to bereave him/her, thereby, one sixth out of that which such man or woman has left is apportioned for either, be a brother or sister.
Thereat, in case they are more than one sibling, thereby, they all are the sharer in one third.

There may be a situation that the death expecting Man or Woman are in a state of single parent- no spouse with surviving singular son and a parent, either Father or Mother. In such situation, the Mandatory Share set aside by Allah the Exalted is 1/6th each for a brother or sister of the deceased Man or Woman. However, if they are more in number, the collective share shall be only 1/3rd for brothers and sisters, superseding that which the deceased might have allocated in the statement of distribution in his/her Will. The allocations in the Will for the remaining part of inheritance shall stand.

44.http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/12.gif Verbal Noun accusative. It is intriguing that people have been debating about this verbal noun as to its meanings and peculiarities of the person who is in such state-circumstance. This man or woman cannot be he/she who are already mentioned. He is not a person who is bereaved by a single daughter, two daughters or grouped progenies; he is not a person whose parents, both mother and father are alive; and he is not a person whose spouse is bereaved. It refers to that state of a person when the spouse is already dead or divorced and has single parent, either mother or father, surviving at the time of his death. In addition to this peculiar situation, such man may or may not have a surviving son at the time of his death. Here in this Ayah it is evident that this spouseless man or woman does have a surviving son to inherit from the inheritance.

The aforesaid instructions and Mandatory Allocation of parts of inheritance amongst various beneficiaries by Allah the Exalted cover all the situations that might be the ground realities at the time of death of a Man or a Woman. However, one situation is not covered whereby one will have to resort to other deductive method to infer the apportioned share. The people of the days of revelation fully acknowledged and understood the injunctions about inheritance. They did not have an iota of confusion. This fact is evident because people requested the Elevated Messenger of Allah the Exalted to give them the confirmation-strengthened verdict at his own about the only situation which was not covered in the aforementioned injunctions in Ayah 411 and 412. That situation is regards a person who is bachelor or single without spouse, has a singular alive parent, either Mother or Father, but did not have a son.

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They seek that you the Messenger give them the confirmation-strengthened verdict at your own. You tell them; " Allah the Exalted gives you the verdict in the situation regards a person being bachelor-without spouse, survived by a singular Parent, either Mother or Father.

In case he is such a person who died in condition that a son was not in his progeny;

Grand Qur'aan has no parallel and is par excellence in succinctness. The probable situations obtaining in the case of death of a wealthy Man or Woman are quite many. It is almost an impossible proposition for human beings to determine with absolute justice the rightful shares in all the possible situations. It will need volumes of laws and regulations, yet leaving areas for injustice.
Allah the Exalted has specifically covered those situations which are pregnant for abuse of man-dominance and injustice. In such situations, Allah the Exalted has exercised the Authority and Will to cut and demarcate certain Parts of the Inheritance, and Permanently allocate it to specific relatives in preference to others. This is signified by "This ordinance regards permanent apportionment of inheritance is a time bound obligation imposed by Allah the Exalted". This is also described by these words "This Binding Ordinance of Inheritance is promulgated by Allah the Exalted for adhering it-ever sticking to it".49. Laws and regulations to implement justice in all respects in the case of inheritance and other economic problems is quite a difficult proposition for majority of human beings. Therefore, Allah the Exalted encourages to create a situation wherein justice can be established in such matters by heightening the moral consciousness of man and showing of mercy and kindness to those undergoing tribulations. There can be hundreds of situations with conflicting considerations for allocating wealth of the deceased. Encompassing all those, a voluminous regulation book is needed. Allah the Exalted has given the solution for absolute justice. He the Exalted has first made it incumbent upon the wealthy man to dictate his Bequest allocating shares according to his own judgment and decision amongst his Father and Mother and nearer relatives, about whom he better understands regards eligibility and necessity. Thereafter, when the actual time happens for execution of the Will after the death of deceased, Allah the Exalted supersedes that Will partially, maximum to the extent of two third of inheritance. Allah the Exalted apportions the inalienable shares in favour of certain relatives and allows to stay other allocations bequeathed by the deceased.
Allah the Exalted has simplified the otherwise delicate and perplexing issue for humans by relating it to the circumstantial characteristic of the person and the Will bequeathed by deceased. All cases and situations that be obtaining on ground are covered in just six sub classifications. We have now the orders regarding the progenies, the mother and father, the spouse and siblings in different situations. Let us recap

Inheritance according to injunctions in Grand Qur'aan

Noon_waalqalami

Dear Mazhar, every time I ask a simple question you write paragraphs without giving an answer.

IF rijlan wanisan always means 3+ males and 3+ females

Then ask yourself Kalala case only siblings no child where are instructions?

1 sister 1 brother
1 sister 2 brothers
1 sister 3+ brothers

2 sisters 1 brother
2 sisters 2 brothers
2 sisters 3+ brothers

3+ sisters 1 brother
3+ sisters 2 brothers

OK like any issue no matter how complex; math, physics, etc. best to break it down simplify solve one at a time.

Please state clearly if deceased man leaves total wealth 60 gold coins only inheritors 1 sister and 1 brother?

Which verse 412 or 4176?
How much to each exactly?

Then we'll move on to next see if you are consistent.

Mazhar

Dear Mazhar, every time I ask a simple question you write paragraphs without giving an answer.

OK like any issue no matter how complex; math, physics, etc. best to break it down simplify solve one at a time.

Please state clearly if deceased man leaves total wealth 60 gold coins only inheritors 1 sister and 1 brother?

Which verse 412 or 4176?
How much to each exactly?

Then we'll move on to next see if you are consistent.

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According to 4176 two-thirds is earmarked for them; mandatory provision. They will share in the ratio of twice the luck of sister will accrue to brother.
One-third according to the bequath of deceased.

In case he is such a person who died in condition that a son was not in his progeny;
But a sister survives for him, thereat, half of that which he has left is apportioned for her.
And he becomes her Heir if survives her if a son was not her progeny.
However, if there were two surviving sisters, thereat, two-thirds of that which he the deceased has left is apportioned for them.
And if they were siblings, comprising men and women, thereat, the two-thirds allocation shall be subdivided on the principle that equivalent of the amount accruing to the surviving two females shall be the sum allocated for the male.

Noon_waalqalami

Mazhar, simple question was asked which again you did not answer?

Please state clearly if deceased man leaves total wealth 60 gold coins only inheritors

1 sister and 1 brother?

How much to each exactly?

Mazhar

What is two-thirds of 60?
Obviously 40

Distribute it to two by giving twice to male of female. 13.3 + 26.6

"Mislo" tells not to make fuss of decimal fractions.

Noon_waalqalami

What is two-thirds of 60?
Obviously 40

Where did you get that 1 sister & 1 brother get 2/3?

What happened to the other 20 gold coins to you?

Distribute it to two by giving twice to male of female. 13.3 + 26.6

Where you get twice to male of female if only heirs are 1 sister & 1 brother?

Mazhar

Where did you get that 1 sister & 1 brother get 2/3?

What happened to the other 20 gold coins to you?

Where you get twice to male of female if only heirs are 1 sister & 1 brother?

It is plainly mentioned in 4176

See it here, carefully look at the sequence of narration in Ayah and the last sentence wherein the presence of two females and one male distribution is given.

Inheritance from sibling

Noon_waalqalami

Quote from Noon waalqalami on Yesterday at 032003 PM
Where did you get that 1 sister & 1 brother get 2/3?

What happened to the other 20 gold coins to you?

Where you get twice to male of female if only heirs are 1 sister & 1 brother?

It is plainly mentioned in 4176

See it here, carefully look at the sequence of narration in Ayah and the last sentence wherein the presence of two females and one male distribution is given.

Again you contradict since the 2/3 pertains to exactly two females NOT one male & one female!

4176 ... so if knat/be dual (feminine) ith'natayni/two (females) falahum/so to them dual (feminine) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left

Again you contradict give 40 gold coins 2/3 of 60 gold coins leave 20 gold coins 1/3 to nobody!

4176... and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (females) shows the god for you lest stray ye of and the god in every thing knower

Again you contradict first say Nisaa is 3+ now see/agree above can apply to 1 sister & 1 brother!

Peace and goodbye!

Mazhar

Again you contradict since the 2/3 pertains to exactly two females NOT one male & one female!

4176 ... so if knat/be dual (feminine) ith'natayni/two (females) falahum/so to them dual (feminine) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left

Again you contradict give 40 gold coins 2/3 of 60 gold coins leave 20 gold coins 1/3 to nobody!

4176... and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (females) shows the god for you lest stray ye of and the god in every thing knower

Again you contradict first say Nisaa is 3+ now see/agree above can apply to 1 sister & 1 brother!

Peace and goodbye!

Oh God, I could never think that you did not know abc of Arabic; and how to read a text. I am astonished to note that you even do not know what is meant and who is who in a verbal sentence comprising a single word.

In case he is such a person who died in condition that a son was not in his progeny;

But a sister survives for him, thereat, half of that which he has left is apportioned for her.

However, if there were two surviving sisters, thereat, two third of that which he the deceased has left is apportioned for them.

Literally it means And if they were brothers and its predicate is plural noun meaning brothers .

The sentence is conditional. If the meanings were restricted to this word the apodosis clause is redundant since it has no relevance to this conditional clause because it refers only males-brothers.

Both the nouns are in accusative case. Preceding verb and predicate noun are masculine plural. It is disambiguation and can also be termed as Equivalent appositive for the preceding noun. The subject noun of the verb refers to at least three persons one of whom must be a male. After this disambiguation/equivalen apposition, the apodosis clause talks about the sharing of two thirds between two sisters and one brother; twice the fortune of female for the male present in composite siblings.

Noon_waalqalami

Oh God, I could never think that you did not know abc of Arabic; and how to read a text. I am astonished to note that you even do not know what is meant and who is who in a verbal sentence comprising a single word.

However, if there were two surviving sisters, thereat, two third of that which he the deceased has left is apportioned for them.

Mazhar, you're really testing my patience already thinking part of your brain to process simple logic is missing.

I asked to you to distribute 60 gold coins 1 brother & 1 sister which you gave 2/3 quoting 4176 above!

That is absurd! That is ignorant! 2/3 is for exactly 2 females! The brother is not castrated!

Of all the people on this site you do add value on a few things and thank you for that although when it comes to questions of applying logic, consistency, and answering simple questions have you in the same category of the numerologists crackpots who post illogical nonsense in the other forum for the mentally challenged.

Peace!

Mazhar

Then what does this sentence means and connects to according to your logic?

Noon_waalqalami

Then what does this sentence means and connects to according to your logic?

It needs to cover all combinations mixed siblings 1+ sisters 1+ brothers.
4176 and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings
rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude apportion the two (females)

example 60 gold coins

1 sister (20 coins) 1 brother (40 coins)
2 sisters (30 coins) 1 brother (30 coins)
3 sisters (36 coins) 1 brother (24 coins)

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Mazhar

It needs to cover all combinations mixed siblings 1+ sisters 1+ brothers.
4176 and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings
rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude apportion the two (females)

example 60 gold coins

1 sister (20 coins) 1 brother (40 coins)
2 sisters (30 coins) 1 brother (30 coins)
3 sisters (36 coins) 1 brother (24 coins)

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Then what about this

Noon_waalqalami

Then what about this

4176 kalala ? NOT for him waladun ? is the key difference or toggle
412 kalala waladun present else unknown which verse to apply e.g. 1 sister

412 ? and if be rajulun/man bestows to inherit kalalatan or im'ra-atun/woman and to said person brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth so if be they of more from such so they partners in the third

Example let?s say 72 gold coins underneath the wall and their father had only a brother/sister or siblings.

1882 and as for the wall so it was for boys two orphans two in the town and be underneath it treasure for them dual and was father theirs dual salih/righteous

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Likewise the uncle/s and/or aunt/s or who they are entrusted should hand over their inheritance upon maturity.

46 and test ye of the bereaved/orphaned until when attained they of the marriage so if perceive you from them right way/rational so deliver ye of to them wealth theirs and not eats/consumes ye it wastefully and hastily of lest/that grow up they of and who be ample of so should refrain and who be in need of so let eat/consume in the right so when deliver you to them wealth theirs so witnesses ye of over them and sufficient in the god reckoner of

Peace

Mazhar

Mazhar, simple question was asked which again you did not answer?

Please state clearly if deceased man leaves total wealth 60 gold coins only inheritors

1 sister and 1 brother?

How much to each exactly?

Then you said

It needs to cover all combinations mixed siblings 1+ sisters 1+ brothers.
4176 and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings
rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude apportion the two (females)

example 60 gold coins

1 sister (20 coins) 1 brother (40 coins)
2 sisters (30 coins) 1 brother (30 coins)
3 sisters (36 coins) 1 brother (24 coins)

Proposition given was
1 sister and 1 brother

I asked you to explain your distribution keeping this in mind;

Noon_waalqalami

Then you said

Proposition given was
1 sister and 1 brother

I asked you to explain your distribution keeping this in mind;

Mazhar, distributions were given numerous times and you answered nothing!

4176 kalala ? NOT for him waladun ? is the key difference or toggle
e.g. 1 sister (1/3) & 1 brother (2/3) i.e. 21 ratio male to female

412 kalala waladun present else unknown which verse to apply e.g. 1 sister
1 sister/brother (1/6) & son/s (5/6)

Refer to template posted which you would be torn to pieces in any debate on this topic since you contradict yourself every other post and cannot even give distribution of simple case of 1 sister & 1 brother nor do you know which verse to use only divert keep asking perpetual questions. This is really annoying so if that is your goal to annoy people not answer anything only keep asking perpetual questions, dodge, run away, divert, switch cases, etc., get last word so be it.

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411
instructs you the god in awldikum/offspring yours lildhakari/to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)

so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above two (f/d) so for them (f/p i.e. 3+) third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left

and if knat/be she (f/s) widatan/one (f/s) so for her al-ni'fu/the half

wali-abawayhi/and to parents dual said person to each one from them dual the sixth from what left if kna/be (m/s) for said person waladun/offspring (son) so if not yakun that be for said person waladun/offspring (child) wawarithahu/and bestows to inherit said person parents dual said person so to mother said person the third so if kna/be (s/m) for said person ikh'watun/brother so to mother said person the sixth from after will instructs in it or judgment

fathers yours and sons yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god be knowledgeable wisdom of

412
and for you half what left azwjukum/spouses yours if not yakun that be for them waladun/offspring (child) so if kna/be (m/s) for them waladun/offspring (son) so for you the fourth from what left they from after will made they in it or judgment

and for them the fourth from what left you if not yakun that be for you waladun/offspring (child) so if kna/be (s/m) for you waladun/offspring (son) so to them the eight from what left you from after will thou making in it or judgment

and if kna/be (m/s) rajulun/man yrathu/he bestows to inherit kalalatan (spouse-less without daughter) or im'ra-atun/woman and to said person brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth so if kn/be they of (2+) more from such so they partners in the third from after will instructs in it or judgment other than harmful will from the god and the god knower tolerant

4176
they seek ruling your say the god gives ruling you in al-kalalati (the spouseless without daughter) if im'ru-on/person perished not for him waladun/offspring (child) and for him sister so for her half what left and he yarithuh/he inheritor hers if not yakun that be for her waladun/offspring (child)

so if knat/be dual ith'natayni/two (i.e. daughters) so to them dual (f/d) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left

and if kn /be they of (2+) ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk falildhakari/so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)

shows the god for you lest/that stray ye of and the god in every thing knower

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Mazhar

Then you said

Proposition given was
1 sister and 1 brother

I asked you to explain your distribution keeping this in mind;

Please answer this only about one sister and one brother as you distributed and leave repeating that table made by your imagination without support of words of Qur'aan.

First line syays one brother or one sister, either case they get one-sixth

The other line syas one sister, she gets one half.