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Why is Rashad Khalifa wrong?

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    lordfox
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    Peace lordfox.

    If Rashad based salat on hadith, why did he correct how to pray?

    Do you mean there is no salat in the Qoran?

    The Qoran may not give the number of salat as 5 , but where does it say you cannot pray 5 times?

    It clearly says devote your prayer to GOD Alone and he did that.

    I do not lie deliberately. I fear my Lord. We are all accountable.
    Peace.

    I don't think you understood what I said. R.K did not base his salat on utterances that were supposedly said by Muhammad, but rather on hadiths that are thought to be transmitted generation to generation, from Abraham.

    I am not really interested in discussing the matter with you, personally I am convinced that R.K was not a messenger, I have written numerous essays in French detailing all of the arguments against him and his cult, obviously, you are very much attached to him and his teachings, so I will let you be, I can only wish you luck.

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      good_logic
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      Peace lordfox.

      I am attached to my creator.

      GOD ALONE will suffice for me.

      I am a believer. I believe in GOD, HIS Angels, HIS scriptures, HIS messengers, I do not make any distinction between any of HIS messengers.
      I hear and I obey ( my Lord).
      Peace.

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        Kaiokenred
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        Peace lordfox.

        I am attached to my creator.

        GOD ALONE will suffice for me.

        I am a believer. I believe in GOD, HIS Angels, HIS scriptures, HIS messengers, I do not make any distinction between any of HIS messengers.
        I hear and I obey ( my Lord).
        Peace.

        How can you be attached to your creator when your creator says there is no god whatsoever?

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          Carlee
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          Kaiokenred...please elaborate on that since I'm interested, as I believe there's no god (the kind the monotheistic religions claim exists) basically.

          Peace.

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            good_logic
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            Peace Kaiokenred.

            HE is the light and I am the servant.

            Is that fine with you?

            May HE guide you to the truth.
            Peace.

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              lordfox
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              Peace Kaiokenred.

              HE is the light and I am the servant.

              Is that fine with you?

              May HE guide you to the truth.
              Peace.

              Nice joke (servant of the light).

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                Kaiokenred
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                Kaiokenred...please elaborate on that since I'm interested, as I believe there's no god (the kind the monotheistic religions claim exists) basically.

                Peace.

                You're off to read something interesting then if you read articles here www.servantofthelight.com

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                  Kaiokenred
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                  Peace Kaiokenred.

                  HE is the light and I am the servant.

                  Is that fine with you?

                  May HE guide you to the truth.
                  Peace.

                  That's pretty much better and more correct

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                    es
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                    Let's just wait until jafar starts posting, then it'll get right interesting.

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                      Carlee
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                      I'm gonna have to agree way more with this light business and that there isn't a god - spent the last 1 to 1.5 hours reading one of the articles on that page. Pretty interesting. The Arabic phrase "la ilaaha illallah" actually means "there's no god but the one who is not god"! Again, VERY interesting (and I agree, for the most part).

                      brofist

                      P.S. es is pretty. P

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                        Mazhar
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                        Nice joke (servant of the light).

                        Had there been not the "light", you would have been dead long ago.

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                          Bigmo
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                          Peace Bigmo.

                          OK. Here we go. Let me start by saying I believe 381 refers to a messenger after Muhammed. Then you have

                          64-- 1587-- 2366--2367--2369--2782--3714--3737--542...and so many more( if you want more) like

                          " Well educated but crazy" verse and " We have given you the seven pairs and the great Qoran..."
                          Peace.

                          6.3-5 And He is Allah in the heavens and on earth. He knoweth what ye hide, and what ye reveal, and He knoweth the (recompense) which ye earn (by your deeds). But never did a single one of the signs of their Lord reach them, but they turned away therefrom. And now they reject the truth when it reaches them but soon shall they learn the reality of what they used to mock at

                          23.64-66 Until, when We seize in Punishment those of them who received the good things of this world, behold, they will groan in supplication! (It will be said) "Groan not in supplication this day for ye shall certainly not be helped by Us. "My Signs used to be rehearsed to you, but ye used to turn back on your heels

                          15.86-87 For verily it is thy Lord who is the Master-Creator, knowing all things. And We have bestowed upon thee the Seven Oft-repeated (verses) and the Grand Qur'an

                          What does this has to do with Rashad?

                          These verses are about the pagans and their disbelief on the messenger of the Quran.

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                            Carlee
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                            Irrelevant but, Bigmo has the best avatar.

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                              good_logic
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                              Peace Bigmo.

                              You left " Well educated but crazy" out.

                              Also the other verses talk about the " proof" of the Koran to this generation, not to the pagans. Remember Muhammed did not bring any sign. " They said why has a sign not come to him from his Lord, say" Wait" The future belongs to god , We too are waiting." A sign/proof to come in the future after Muhammed.
                              Peace.

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                                Kaiokenred
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                                I'm gonna have to agree way more with this light business and that there isn't a god - spent the last 1 to 1.5 hours reading one of the articles on that page. Pretty interesting. The Arabic phrase "la ilaaha illallah" actually means "there's no god but the one who is not god"! Again, VERY interesting (and I agree, for the most part).

                                brofist

                                P.S. es is pretty.

                                Congratulations, you possess common sense and wisdom. Lol

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                                  ayman
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                                  Peace Nevashiva,

                                  I apologies I read a lot of the posts in this website, and I can't get a clear answer about him, so I was wondering if someone knew a post I could refer to, or a website I could refer to, that is reliable and not full of claiming that he is a pig, and deserves to go to hell without actually saying why he is wrong.
                                  I realize people here do like the hadith free Islam, but I am wondering, why do you guys not like him? what was he wrong about?
                                  I will be very honest, I am very gullible sometimes, but I do move with instincts, and I came across his videos by complete accident, and I think I was looking for how to pray in Islam, although I knew how it is done, but I just never felt right praying the way I was taught to pray, I wanted to make sure I am not just doing whatever. Anyways at the first glance he seemed very refreshing to me, I almost said wow he seems like a messenger or something, and it was so WEIRD!!!, because I was like here I am being silly...but then I find out he actually said that he is, that kinda hooked me on, but I want to make sure I am not being superstitious...or that I just like him because of what he seems/talks about.
                                  I am horrible with math, and numbers really frighten me, I will try to get my calculator and see what he meant, but his story sounded exactly like a story of the Qur'an. So without much further babbling by me. Why do most people who even believe in Qur'an 'only'...even say things like they hate him. I want to learn!!! PLEASE HELP.

                                  Welcome to the forum .

                                  You said that you move with your instincts and that you just never felt right about the way you were taught to pray and your search led you by accident to a video about Khalifa.

                                  I would suggest that you continue to follow your god-given instincts. Do you know that Khalifa preached praying the same way that you never felt right about, including facing the pagan stone cube and all? Not only that but pretty much he preached all of the pagan rituals and nonsense that Sunnis do to the letter, including spinning around the Black Stone and stoning the three pillars and running between two hills in Mecca, all while being half naked and wearing nothing but a towel.

                                  Follow your god-given instincts and the answer will be clear.

                                  As for math, Khalifa's numerology is like all numerlogy. It sounds impressive until you realize that he only shared his successful trials and hid from you his many more failed trials, which we ALL know he had (but some sick people choose to delude themselves).

                                  Peace,

                                  Ayman

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                                    Edip_Yuksel
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                                    There are a few articles on Rashad Khalifa and his work at

                                    www.19.org

                                    Peace,
                                    Edip

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                                      unknownuser
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                                      Lots of valid points going around there!

                                      But my biggest problem is how to pray, the peculiar steps are just not mentioned. Prostrate...sit...Prostrate...Say this...say that....Stand

                                      Meh I guess there has been a lot of feuds going around about this, I should just give it a rest.... and get my try those numbers out my self I guess.

                                      Thanks for the Welcome Ayman D. I just need to sort out what is instincts, and what is 'hawa' (doing what you feel like). I GUESS!!

                                      Guessing is so exhausting!
                                      THANKS FOR THE INPUT EVERYONE!!!. And I still think a hell emoticon would be.. very expressive lol sun

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                                        unknownuser
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                                        There are a few articles on Rashad Khalifa and his work at

                                        www.19.org

                                        Peace,
                                        Edip

                                        http//19.org/776/rashad-translation/

                                        Nice Thanks!!!, I saw a youtube of this issue of translation and Rashad it was some sort of meeting or something, he was confronted about it, and I really did not appreciate him not trying to understand that he is coming across as infallible. And even someone in the crowd went like "you trying to correct him?!!" as in How dare you...which sounded scary.

                                        Thanks I thought the site only has books Didn't notice.

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                                          unknownuser
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                                          If you use that argument, they will simply reply that it is was a purification of the book. Rather, bring forth the fact that he claimed to know the exact date of the end of times, and even wrote an essay on it, while the Quran clearly states that no one but Allah knows it.

                                          Furthermore, good logic says that R.K rejected all hadiths, which is nothing but a lie. As R.K saw "salat" as a structured form of prayer, he based it upon hadiths that were thought to be preserved from the time of the messenger Abraham.

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                                          Very good points, exactly my problems with R.K., he still resorted to something outside of the Qur'an but he trapped him self in the position of not being able to.

                                          That and the story of what was the deal between God and the devil, which is not that detailed...at least not as detailed as how he described it.

                                          And God guaranteed happiness if you follow his will. I don't believe in that if you follow God you will never feel bad.

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