If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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Allah does whatever He wills
Allah recompenses every one justly; He is Most Forgiving; one cannot ask Allah why He has not punished any one, for He is Most Merciful. He does only good; and never does He punish instantly anyone's evil deeds for He knows everything, we never would know except by His leave; so be patient until the most Forgiving and the most Merciful, and the Knower of the hidden and the manifest of each and everything - makes you know about His decree and design.
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Allah has not made a book where he "orders immorality" of people, for example the Qur'an does not order immorality. They were lying that Allah has told them that their evil deeds are good. This is not the same as what I am saying at all, and you are merely lying (as usual, because you're evil of course).
What are you saying then? That God Wills people to do what It defined as evil in the Quran? That is what every careful reader can tell as the crux of all your posts. I am not defending drfazl, it's easy to see what he and his following are up to - the classic medical science wars (western vs eastern medicine, traditional vs modern, Allopathy vs Homeopathy) and mixing beliefs in the competition for gaining a customer base. I am saying you are up to a similar theme.
As for drfazl and co, I'll only say this, all chemicals and substances are from God. Of them, there are of use to us, and of them are harmful to us. Not all affect everyone the same way. So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help. As for those who seek to profit without truly helping someone seeking help in illness, God will judge when all of us will be called to account. Only those who are grateful, truly rely on God alone. God is not restricted by any means or forms or appearance of "help" to people. Do you accuse people of shirk when they go to a trader to buy bread? By your definition they are not relying on God but the trader is the one giving sustenance...Do you not have any sense? You falsify deliberately!
In other words, he is making them and what is bad (or is there some other power doing it? Blasphemer?).
To both drfazl and FreedomStands
Do you have divine knowledge from God when you claim God does this or that or wills this or that other than what is in the book?Allah does say "Had Allah not willed, they would not have done it". Does that strike any memory in your head? Also "Allah sets up enemies".
Check your phrases before you make claims, referring to your comment in red^.
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So the person spoken of in 7176 whom God gave signs, was it God who willed him to follow his desire or was it himself who followed his own desire? was it God who willed him to reject, or was it himself who detached himself from the signs given by God? Only when the people incline and do good then perhaps they receive God's forgiveness, mercy and guidance. God does not guide the wrongdoers. They are left astray by God, but even then it maybe that God sends guidance to them if It wills.
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*Do you read one part of a verse/sign/book and ignore the rest? Do you not comprehend? Reading the complete verse after the "part" with what you constantly cite
"...And you will certainly be questioned about what you used to do".
How shall you be questioned if you have not done good or evil of your own accord? Then do you still not reflect?
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That does not mean that in Allah's guidance to people Allah has said for them to kill their female children and whatever and say that it is good for them to do that. Allah created these evils but they are still evils, he didn't instruct people in religious revelations that it is good to do it and that they should do it, but Allah created all things and all events occurring (including the particular death of anyone including a little child) is from Allah, the people don't choose anything. The Qur'an says all that I'm saying. If you say otherwise, you're attributing powers to something else.
What on earth are you saying? Do you mock God and It's guidance? People don't choose a path to God (good/evil as defined by God) ? Subliminally telling people that the Quran is pointless? You twist the Quran's message and then say it is from God!
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The Qur'an clearly says that Allah is the one who has control over everything, wills whatever happens, that doesn't mean it is good for people always, and that doesn't mean that Allah has instructed in the religious books for them to do these things, which is why they were lying. Do you understand? You probably don't, and if you do, you deny it anyway, why? Allah wills it.
There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book.
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As for drfazl and co, I'll only say this, all chemicals and substances are from God. Of them, there are of use to us, and of them are harmful to us. Not all affect everyone the same way. So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help.
In everything God has created are evil and certain good, unless Allah's names are remembered and invoked upon them before our usage of them; but if we do not invoke His Names upon them, Allah warns of severe consequences from them all.
"Not all affect everyone the same way." Can you explain why, and how these differences happen - from Quran? Why will they have no effect at all in some? Why almost all people die under critical care, finally? Does it mean Allah had deliberately misguided asking the patients to go to doctors leaving Allah behind? I wish you cited the verses from Quran at least while concluding, that Allah guides us to the doctors while He inflicts punishment on us, for our evil deeds, by way of diseases.
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So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help.
It can be written this way to comply with Allah and His Quran
So whoever guides them in Allah's way as to how to make good use of Allah's creations ..... 5/32. -
As for those who seek to profit without truly helping someone seeking help in illness, God will judge when all of us will be called to account. Only those who are grateful, truly rely on God alone. God is not restricted by any means or forms or appearance of "help" to people.
truly helping someone seeking help in illness
We have to seek protection from shaitan as prophet Ayyub turned to Allah alone, finally. Prophet Ayyub admits to Allah, that he has every means of man invented methods of cure believing them all, until he came to a point of no return, when he was guided to turn to Allah; and Prophet Ibrahim followed the same line when he said, "it is Allah who heals me when I am down with diseases." Both the prophets did not drive mankind to doctors or medical systems, for their diseases.
Now you tell me what do you mean by truly rely on God alone. I do need an explanation to these words when you ask the ill to go to doctors. What is your account with God now?
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To both drfazl and FreedomStands
Do you have divine knowledge from God when you claim God does this or that or wills this or that other than what is in the book?When I speak of the Book, do you still pose this question? Point out to me from all my postings which one I have not spoken of the Book or contradicted any of its verses, if you are truthful; Do not become like freedomstands!
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So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help.
It can be written this way to comply with Allah and His Quran
So whoever guides them in Allah's way as to how to make good use of Allah's creations ..... 5/32.532 specifically talks about something else entirely.
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532 specifically talks about something else entirely.
Give me your interpretation of the ayat with regard to the present conflict between you and me; do not give your dictionary meanings; I want the sense from you of the ayat and how to apply 5/32 to suit the present situation especially between the two of us, if you are a believer in the ayats that every verse of it is suitable to all mankind of all the worlds of all times, the past, the present and for the entire future.
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Here is a problem of one of our brothers, whose identity I am not revealing because it is a pm. Yet it is important how to judge a situation in the light of Quran, it should be a situational effort to apply the Quran and the essence of its verses with reference to the context of the people involved. Here is the situation
Assalamu alaykum,
I have a personal problem and I would really appreciate if you could give me some advice. I tried to know as to what to do but cannot do it on my own. My sister-in-law had extramarital affair for a year. This happened two years ago. Her husband threw her out for this and that's how we the family came to know about it. We told him that if he wants a divorce she has to stay in his house for three periods according to the Quran (222. But he took her back when she repented and fasted for two complete months as a punishment (although in Quran this is for accidental murder not adultery but it was her choice). They now live peacefully and even have another baby together.
Answer What your brother did was perfect according to Quran; and what your sister-in-law did observing two months fasting with repentance, as a salvation to her sin is absolutely beautiful in the eyes of Allah. Your sister in law decided to fast for two consecutive months because she understood the pain she had inflicted to her husband?s heart and that she had almost killed her husband. Allah is most Forgiving, Merciful. Allah has forgiven the couple, has given peaceful life from Him, and also Allah had blessed them with another baby as a Sign from Him and of His Grace.
My problem is I don't know how to act towards her - we are being kind to her but I am thinking that maybe we are wrong in doing so (in the ayat about adultery it says we shouldn't have pity if we believe in Allah - but I'm not sure what this ayat means and how are we suppose to follow it). Someone said that maybe there weren't believers around and that's why the punishment never took place so does this mean I am not a believer?
Answer You shall have no problem at all when Allah has Himself Forgiven them by His Mercy; and do not entertain your mind regarding this, that too after one year of their happiest living, only by His leave. Extend your fairness and pleasantness toward your sister in law; Allah will absolve you from your future sins. And here is the warning from Allah
24.14 And now, and forever, had it not been for the grace and mercy of Allah, a severe punishment would have seized you because of your mental involvement in this affair.
I don't want to be rude and judge people - she repented and it is between her and Allah...Whenever she wants to visit I have this trouble and think that I should leave the house until she goes away or not accept her in.
Answer You have no business in the life of the blessed couple; nor you will set out of your house to nowhere. You will accept the blessed couple.
What is your advice? Did we do the right thing in accepting her with her mistakes after she repented, or we mistaken for not being little more harsh towards her (in the light of Quran)?
Thank you for your time.
Answer I think you know the answer by now.
If brothers here in this forum extend your views too, it would be of much help to the brother who had asked this questionnaire. He might choose what seems best and clear to his heart.
To both drfazl and FreedomStands
Do you have divine knowledge from God when you claim God does this or that or wills this or that other than what is in the book?When I speak of the Book, do you still pose this question? Point out to me from all my postings which one I have not spoken of the Book or contradicted any of its verses, if you are truthful; Do not become like freedomstands!
I did not answer any of those questions pertaining to how the matter (extramarital affair) is judged by God. You did. I never made such conclusions on behalf of God as I have no knowledge of it at all, and I fear God that I be of the wrong-doers. And I have said what I wanted to say with no intention of going into foolish arguments.
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I am not defending drfazl, it's easy to see what he and his following are up to - the classic medical science wars (western vs eastern medicine, traditional vs modern, Allopathy vs Homeopathy) and mixing beliefs in the competition for gaining a customer base.
thanks for judging! that 'gaining customer base'?; and 'are up to' . keep it up, great find.
classical medical science wars?.. this is what you are able to see in the posts.
mixing beliefs!? in the competition... when the need is filled by Allah alone, who is the competitor? can you understand what Allah alone meant here bro.
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I did not answer any of those questions pertaining to how the matter (extramarital affair) is judged by God. You did.
Is Quran not a guidance to all mankind? If yes, then why did you not answer from Quran? I have referenced 24/14 for my guidance; at least speak on that with your interpretation; you will not do anything but comment on the guidance foolishly in the first place and then say I do not engage in foolish arguments.
no intention of going into foolish arguments
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I did not answer any of those questions pertaining to how the matter (extramarital affair) is judged by God. You did. I never made such conclusions on behalf of God as I have no knowledge of it at all, and I fear God that I be of the wrong-doers. And I have said what I wanted to say with no intention of going into foolish arguments.
3.23 Beheld not thee ? those to who We had given a limited wisdom of the Book? They are called upon for the justice with total wisdom of Allah; but a party of them turns away; it is they who are averse.
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I did not answer any of those questions pertaining to how the matter (extramarital affair) is judged by God. You did. I never made such conclusions on behalf of God as I have no knowledge of it at all, and I fear God that I be of the wrong-doers. And I have said what I wanted to say with no intention of going into foolish arguments.
Peace brother,
It is OK that you try to keep yourself on safe side but how will you understand 549? And you are correct when you are not judging if you do not know the answer.
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Do you accuse people of shirk when they go to a trader to buy bread? By your definition they are not relying on God but the trader is the one giving sustenance...Do you not have any sense? You falsify deliberately!
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There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book.
Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts.quran say this
2.172 O you who believe! Eat of the good provisions We have provided for you. And if it is Allah whom you obey, be grateful to Him.26.79 - It is He who gives me food; and it is He who gives my drink
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26.80 - when i am ill; it is He who Heals me
quran guides us to eat; so not a shirk when you buy a bread. its shirk, only when you took the trader or anyone or anything for sustenance. do not say that is not intended. but the quran never said take medical help, its shirk. i know, almost all save some, shirk medical systems; this is hard for everyone who do not believe Allah alone. either you need proof in person to believe by the leave of Allah or Allah may make you a proof. anyway in this one is little easy path.
Allah Alone is His will, if you wish for it - it is there by His will. He will guide you individual, in your own pace. if you do not wish?
There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book.
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What are you saying then? That God Wills people to do what It defined as evil in the Quran? That is what every careful reader can tell as the crux of all your posts. I am not defending drfazl, it's easy to see what he and his following are up to - the classic medical science wars (western vs eastern medicine, traditional vs modern, Allopathy vs Homeopathy) and mixing beliefs in the competition for gaining a customer base. I am saying you are up to a similar theme.
As for drfazl and co, I'll only say this, all chemicals and substances are from God. Of them, there are of use to us, and of them are harmful to us. Not all affect everyone the same way. So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help. As for those who seek to profit without truly helping someone seeking help in illness, God will judge when all of us will be called to account. Only those who are grateful, truly rely on God alone. God is not restricted by any means or forms or appearance of "help" to people. Do you accuse people of shirk when they go to a trader to buy bread? By your definition they are not relying on God but the trader is the one giving sustenance...Do you not have any sense? You falsify deliberately!
To both drfazl and FreedomStands
Do you have divine knowledge from God when you claim God does this or that or wills this or that other than what is in the book?Check your phrases before you make claims, referring to your comment in red^.
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*Do you read one part of a verse/sign/book and ignore the rest? Do you not comprehend? Reading the complete verse after the "part" with what you constantly cite
"...And you will certainly be questioned about what you used to do".
How shall you be questioned if you have not done good or evil of your own accord? Then do you still not reflect?
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What on earth are you saying? Do you mock God and It's guidance? People don't choose a path to God (good/evil as defined by God) ? Subliminally telling people that the Quran is pointless? You twist the Quran's message and then say it is from God!
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There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book.
Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts.Hi.
Let me answer you line by line. First of all, you don't seem to have an incredibly strong knowledge of what the Qur'an actually says. I've provided numerous quotes from the Qur'an but you think I'm just making it up or something. I come from the angle of logic too, since you seem to not be understanding why it has to be the case and can not be otherwise, since if it is otherwise, another power altogether is being made "determiner". This is where you might be having some trouble comprehending what the problem is. When you say "it can go this way or that way, Allah does not choose it, but people choose it (which contradicts what the Qur'an also says, and I'll show you, I am not making it up), you are actually saying "Chance is the determiner, not God". So then "Chance" is the Ultimate, and whatever you're calling God is lesser and dependent on "Chance" to make the decisions and reality of things. So calm yourself down for two seconds, I'm not the one who "has no sense" and is not using my mind. If you are a good person, you'll actually listen and believe exactly what I am saying because there is no error in it, whereas what you are saying apparently is that "people decide" and "God doesn't do it" and ultimately the implications are "since it can go this way or that way and God doesn't do it, Chance is the determining factor, what Ultimately decides". So be it, then it is Chance I worship. I worship whatever is the Ultimate absolutely, nothing lesser.
"What are you saying then?"
I am saying what the Qur'an says. You seem to think it doesn't say that. Apparently you have ignored all the quotes I provide. What are you afraid of?
"That God Wills people to do what It defined as evil in the Quran?"
Yes. Are you not aware of that? Will you run from Islam if you find that is the case? Is that what you're afraid of facing, so you attribute other powers as the Ultimate responsible party? Do you think Allah does not do everything whatsoever? Is God not the director of the movie, the writer of the scripts? Watch, here is God directing evil
Did you not read all of this slowly and thoroughly and repeatedly?
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AND THUS it is that against every prophet We have set up as enemies the evil forces from among humans as well as from among jinn beings that whisper unto one another glittering half-truths meant to delude the mind But they could not do this unless thy Sustainer had so willed stand, therefore, aloof from them and from all their false imagery!Read it again and again and again until you get it through your pretty little head. Then either run from Islam or stay with it in wrong beliefs or come to right beliefs. You won't be able to do anything except as Allah wills. Do you hear that clattering? No it isn't your brain rattling around in your head as you shake it in denial, those are the chains which bind you and every move you make and thought you take!
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Had Allah willed, they had not been idolatrous. We have not set thee as a keeper over them, nor art thou responsible for them."And if Allah had willed, not (they would have) associated partners (with Him). And not We have made you over them a guardian, and not you (are) over them a manager."
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...Thus We have made fair-seeming to every community their deed.(It is saying this right after mentioning the shirk and "those they invoke other than Allah" it is taking credit for it again, Allah is the manager of all anyone or anything does, you're like the bees and the ants, and if you say it is not Allah, then know that the Ultimate is in control, even if you say Allah is something less and Chance is the determiner"
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And We have destined/assigned for them companions (who) made fair-seeming to them, what (was) before them and what (was) behind them, and (is) justified against them the Word among nations (that have) passed away before them of the jinn and the men. Indeed, they were losers.2868
Thy Lord bringeth to pass what He willeth and chooseth. They have never any choice. Glorified be Allah and Exalted above all that they associate (with Him)!7630
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But ye shall not will except as Allah wills,- the Cherisher of the Worlds.Read it again and again. Do you feel the shirk inside of you burn? Does it just make you want to burst out in more denial of the truth? Come, deny it then. Lets watch you deny and deny the reality until the end, or will you turn in repentance and true surrender to Allah? Allah determines what you will do, you can not even WILL to do it except as Allah wills you to will to do it, you have NOTHING to hold on to, NOTHING to claim as your own, NOTHING that can save you except ALLAH alone, you can destroy you, or help you, absolutely freely, just as Allah has made some people born deformed, some people born into poverty, some rich, some given Muslim families, some given abusive parents, and whatever else. Not a single experience isn't created by Allah alone, there simply is no other creator. Or are you and humanity the creators of all the experiences and God has let you loose on a playground and you move by some power of your own? Dream on!
"That is what every careful reader can tell as the crux of all your posts."
Do you know any of these "careful reader"s? Are you one of them? Surely not! I'm playing with you though, but really, you don't seem to understand why what I am saying is extremely specific and important. It is not only because of the implications of what the other things being said mean, it is also because the Qur'an explicitly says it too, and even if it didn't say it, it is the case with logic and linguistics that another power is being attributed if you say otherwise.
Allah has said that Allah created for the hellfire many men and jinn, created with ears with which they don't hear, eyes with which they don't see, and hearts that don't understand. CREATED for hell CREATED like that, they didn't create that, Allah created such a thing, and Allah does whatever Allah wants. Do you know that revelation?
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And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones."I am not defending drfazl, it's easy to see what he and his following are up to - the classic medical science wars (western vs eastern medicine, traditional vs modern, Allopathy vs Homeopathy) and mixing beliefs in the competition for gaining a customer base. I am saying you are up to a similar theme."
They are telling people to die, deny the gifts of Allah and perform shirk by attributing powers and creators besides Allah alone (when they say Allah did not create medical technology but jinn did besides Allah). I am not saying any such thing. There is no "similar theme" here, "careful reader". I am saying that "All is from God" as the Qur'an instructs me to say. That includes science, good or bad, in every detail it is experienced.
Look how you're continuously denying the truth, and how even after reading what I wrote above you're still in denial! Do you understand this is a trap set up by Allah? You're walking on coals towards a fire, turn around and flee!
"As for drfazl and co, I'll only say this, all chemicals and substances are from God."
MORE THAN THAT. Do you understand that everything your eyes see is "particular information" that is not the same as what others see because what you are experiencing is "seen as you". Do you understand that Allah takes credit for all "handiwork" and even the technologies, like the ships on the sea, the chainmail armor, and everything else? Allah created every detail in existence, humans do not just "use materials provided by Allah freely" but Allah creates every detail of the experiences, all the things in the experience, all the concepts, those are "things" and Allah creates them, good or bad. Everything means Everything, not "some things". Not "created by proxy, with partners creating the details where Allah created only the base materials used". Purify your religion according to what I say if you know what is good for you.
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"But Allah has created you and your handwork!"
"But Allah has created you and whatever you make!""Of them, there are of use to us, and of them are harmful to us. Not all affect everyone the same way."
Who made the medicines in every detail? Good or bad? I'll tell you who Allah.
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Wherever you be will overtake you death even if you are in towers lofty. And if befalls them any good they say, "This (is) from Allah," And if befalls them any evil they say, "This (is) from you." Say, "All (is) from Allah." So what (is wrong) (with) these people, they do not seem (to) understand any statement.5722
No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a book before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to AllahNot "Some evil". Evils, disasters, calamities, ALL of them, including disbelief, idolatry, human sacrifice, rape, adultery, and whatever other evil and disasterous things, not just Earthquakes, but even the "evil in your own souls" or within the person or the disasterous thinking. All ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL IS FROM ALLAH WHAT CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT HUH? STILL DENYING? PROBABLY!
Deny all you want, if you stay a Muslim and in denial, perhaps you'll be counted as a hypocrite. Do you know what happens to the hypocrites according to the Qur'an? Surely you remember, as a "careful reader". That is why is better for people to flee from Islam, so when they burn in hell, it might not be as terrible as the punishment of the Hypocrites, those people who were claiming to be Muslim but were not good Muslims.
You're not afraid are you? You should be. I should be afraid.
Yet when you blurt out your broken thinking and blasphemies, and insult me too while you're at it, (and I understand you probably don't even comprehend the implications of what you are saying so that you continue to say it) you are spreading grave error. You think I'm spreading grave error, I am not. I am saying Allah is the only power, All is from Allah, and if I say otherwise, I am attributing other powers, even if I say that the "humans choose to create their destiny by the actions they choose for themselves" I am then saying "it can go this way or that way" meaning "Chance is the determining power, Chance makes the decision of which way it will go, Allah looks to Chance for answers and FOLLOWS AFTER the humans like a slave". DO YOU UNDERSTAND? It isn't being overly dramatic. So if you can swallow your gigantic pride and surrender to this truth, then you'll be better off. I CAN NOT SWALLOW ANYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE IF I DO, I AM DENYING THE NATURE OF THE ULTIMATE ENTIRELY, IT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY IF I WERE TO SAY OTHERWISE.
"So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help."
Can they choose or even will it on their own, with some power of their own? You probably rush to say "Yes of course!". I hope that changes for your own sake.
"As for those who seek to profit without truly helping someone seeking help in illness, God will judge when all of us will be called to account. Only those who are grateful, truly rely on God alone."
Only those who know that there is no other reliance regardless of what you know, understand, or believe.
"God is not restricted by any means or forms or appearance of "help" to people. Do you accuse people of shirk when they go to a trader to buy bread? By your definition they are not relying on God but the trader is the one giving sustenance...Do you not have any sense? You falsify deliberately!"
Yeah, they are known as "stupid", but you should be wary of your own stupidity too. I know you think I'm stupid as well. I am stupid, but stupid for God.
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Do you have divine knowledge from God when you claim God does this or that or wills this or that other than what is in the book?"I use the quotes from the Qur'an. I do not make statements like drfazl when he says "God has forgiven the blessed couple" or whatever. When I state something it is based strongly on logical necessity and the Qur'an as well. Go read carefully. You haven't comprehended jack squat if you think I'm making false claims about anything. My reasoning is sound and with a strong basis. There is no way around it except shirk.
"Check your phrases before you make claims, referring to your comment in red^.
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So the person spoken of in 7176 whom God gave signs, was it God who willed him to follow his desire or was it himself who followed his own desire?"
The Qur'an has answered your question, which identifies you as very poor in your knowledge of the Qur'an
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Had Allah willed He could have made you (all) one nation, but He sendeth whom He will astray and guideth whom He will,...an-Nisa` 488
Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him.al-A`raf 7186
Whomsoever Allah causes to err, there is no guide for him;639
And those who rejected Our Verses (are) deaf and dumb in the darkness. Whoever Allah wills - He and whoever He wills - He places him on (the) straight way.(Do you understand that Allah even uses terminology of "deaf and dumb", people who are "deaf" and "mentally retarded" did not choose those states for themselves even, but they are given by Allah, even when they are deaf and dumb to Islam, remember Allah said in the verse I quoted above "created" them like that, just like fish are created for the sea, these are created "with ears with which they don't hear, eyes with which they don't see, and hearts/minds with which they don't understand" created more ignorant and astray than cattle. Deny all you want, do you have some more shirk vomit ready to come out?)
"was it God who willed him to reject, or was it himself who detached himself from the signs given by God?"
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Some of these apostles have We endowed more highly than others among them were such as were spoken to by God , and some He has raised yet higher.' And We vouchsafed unto Jesus, the son of Mary, all evidence of the truth, and strengthened him with holy inspiration. And if God had so willed, they who succeeded those would not have contended with one another after all evidence of the truth had come to them; but they did take to divergent views, and some of them attained to faith, while some of them came to deny the truth. Yet if God had so willed, they would not have contended with one another but God does whatever He wills.(Just shut your eyes really, really tight, and maybe you'll be able to continue in your denial, for the sake of your imaginary fluff. Identify what is keeping you in a state of shirk, for example the idea that "What about justice?" and get rid of stupidity and come to reality.)
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If God subjects you to a misery, none can save you from it. If, on the other hand, God decides to shower you with a blessing ; this is in account of the fact that God is the Most Powerful.618
God has absolute control over His servants as He is the Most Wise and the Most Knowledgeable.619
Say, "What thing (is) greatest (as) a testimony?" Say, "Allah (is) Witness between me and between you, and has been revealed to me this Quran that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches. Do you truly testify that with Allah (there are) gods other?" Say, "I (do) not testify." Say, "Only He (is) One God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate (with Him)."Only when the people incline and do good then perhaps they receive God's forgiveness, mercy and guidance."
THEY CAN NOT EVEN "Incline" Did you not see that it clearly says "You can not" EVEN "will it", you can't even DESIRE it or incline except as Allah decides and commands.
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Our Lord! Cause not our hearts to stray after Thou hast guided us, and bestow upon us mercy from Thy Presence. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Bestower.CAUSE NOT OUR HEARTS TO STRAY. Who is the CAUSE? ABSOLUTE? ALLAH! You're starting to piss me off now. Are you still in denial? Fall down on your face in repentance! I will too! Will you let me beat you in it?
"God does not guide the wrongdoers."
God has created everything, including a certain thing called "wrongdoers" and the calamities associated with them as well. Their "handiwork", everything. Not "some things", not "just base materials, not the details". EVERYTHING. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU WIGGLE YOUR TOE IT CHANGES THE DAY EVERYONE ON EARTH DIES? This is all precise, all the livelihoods, all the deaths. It can not be delayed for even a second without every detail changing entirely. Everything you do and think and experience is created by Allah and that is all you are and will ever be, and Allah will always be in control, not you, "never any choice had they".
"They are left astray by God, but even then it maybe that God sends guidance to them if It wills."
Not merely "left astray" but "caused to err", CAUSED. He is the CAUSE of everything always.
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*Those who associate others with Allah say exactly what you are saying, do you yet still not reflect? Allah wills people to go astray because of what is in their own hearts and their own evil inclinations. They like you, also argued that whatever they do or anyone else does or did, including generations before them is because God wills/willed them to do it. Still no effort at thought on your part?"No they don't say "exactly what I am saying" because the people are implying "it is from God so it is necessarily good". This is where the error is with people who say "All is from God" but add "so it is all good". No, the evil is from God too, the calamity, the misery, the trouble, the mental diseases, the madness, and it is not necessarily "good" for those people.
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*Do you read one part of a verse/sign/book and ignore the rest? Do you not comprehend? Reading the complete verse after the "part" with what you constantly cite"
Haha, talking to yourself too huh. Try to understand why I am saying what I am saying. If I say otherwise it is a big problem, you don't seem to understand why.
""...And you will certainly be questioned about what you used to do".
How shall you be questioned if you have not done good or evil of your own accord? Then do you still not reflect?"
Oh wow! I didn't think of that huh! Wowwww! Look at that! Hey smarty pants, did you not hear that Allah does whatever Allah wills, or is it that you're claiming when Allah "questions" it is that Allah does not already know? Questioning is just a method that humans will face, Allah already knows and created everything, or is it that Allah is dependent on other creators and so is "waiting to see what THEY do"? Do you comprehend any of your blasphemies man? Probably not. Allah can create the scene of a court case, have questions, have answers, can do whatever, its just a type of creation. It is not that Allah "really doesn't know what they will say" but is controlling their every action
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O assembly (of) jinn and men! Did (there) not come to you Messengers from (among) you, relating to you My Verses and warning you (of the) meeting (of) this day of yours?" They will say, "We bear witness against ourselves." And deluded them the life (of) the world, and they will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers.See? Allah already knows everything they will say and do. Allah is also the one creating it all
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Until, when they come to it (will) testify against them their hearing, and their sight, and their skins, (as) to what they used to do.4814
But God?s is the dominion over the heavens and the earth He forgives whomever He wills, and imposes suffering on whomever He wills - and He is indeed much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.3213
And if We had so willed, We could have given every soul its guidance, but the word from Me concerning evildoers took effect that I will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together.(Not "I will fill hell with jinn and mankind together if this dice roll, or probability, or Chance determines, and Justice says "yes you should do that, or else you will be unjust" or any varieties of the stupidity people are implying by their denial. Allah has already "created" for the "hell" those who "do not hear, see, understand" and they ALL are doing what Allah makes them do, their tasks, be it murder, rape, pillaging, lying, or whatever else, and then Allah puts them in the place that He alone determines.)
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7174Do you understand the implications of the conditional statement identifier "If" FreedomStands? As well as "Perhaps/Maybe" ?- (God frequently uses this in the Quran, see 490 and 1425 for example) Or do you not use your mind on purpose?"
Yes, I do understand what "if" means, and that it is "conditional" and I also understand that those who say Allah is driven by "conditions" and is not "unconditioned" are blasphemers and may have their faces burned off in hell. I use my mind, do you use yours? You probably do, but what can you do if it is broken? Allah meaning "if" and "maybe" means "Chance determines" thus Chance is the Ultimate power. In any case it is a figure of speech given to the humans, whereas God knows, but we do not know, so for us it is "maybe" we are left in suspense. Say otherwise, and you're a blasphemer. That is the bottom line.
"What on earth are you saying? Do you mock God and It's guidance? People don't choose a path to God (good/evil as defined by God)?"
GOD CHOOSES, YOU DO NOT CHOOSE ANYTHING. I've already quoted that above as well.
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(Do) not like those who disbelieve from (the) People (of) the Book and not those who associate partners (with Allah), that (there should) be sent down to you any good from your Lord. And Allah chooses for His Mercy whom He wills. And Allah (is the) Possessor (of) Bounty Great.374
He chooses for His mercy whom He will. Allah is of Infinite Bounty.2668
And your Lord creates and chooses whom He pleases; to choose is not theirs; glory be to Allah, and exalted be He above what they associate (with Him).326
Say "O Allah! Owner (of) the Dominion, You give the dominion (to) whom You will and You take away the dominion from whom You will, and You honor whom You will, and You humiliate whom You will. In Your hand (is all) the good. Indeed, You (are) on every thing All-Powerful."You are Qadirun (Omnipotent) wholly capable of doing all things""
Go read what Qadr is and Qadirun.
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That ye shall indeed have all that ye choose?2247
And said to them their Prophet, "Indeed, Allah (has) surely raised for you Talut (as) a king." They said, How can be for him the kingship over us, while we (are) more entitled to kingship than him, and not he has been given abundance of wealth?" He said, "Indeed, Allah has chosen him over you and increased him abundantly in knowledge and physique. And Allah gives His kingdom (to) whom He wills. And Allah (is) All-Encompassing, All-Knowing."144
And We did not send any messenger but with the language of his people, so that he might explain to them clearly; then Allah makes whom He pleases err and He guides whom He pleases and He is the Mighty, the Wise.So many more examples, it says it numerous times.
"Subliminally telling people that the Quran is pointless? You twist the Quran's message and then say it is from God!"
What are you talking about? The Qur'an is for those who believe, for others it serves to harm them and mislead them
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Lo! Allah disdaineth not to coin the similitude even of a gnat. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord; but those who disbelieve say What doth Allah wish (to teach) by such a similitude? He misleadeth many thereby, and He guideth many thereby; and He misleadeth thereby only miscreants;The ones who has created to serve the function of "miscreants" and "evildoers" will be misguided. Simple as that.
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So is (it) other than (the) religion (of) Allah they seek? While to Him (have) submitted whatever (is) in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and towards Him they will be returned.Willingly or unwillingly, they are all doing as Allah commands.
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Did not they see that We come (to) the land, reducing it from its borders? And Allah judges; (there is) no adjuster (of) His Judgment. And He (is) Swift (in) the reckoning.You do not adjust what Allah determines, you do not make any adjustments, you do only what Allah wills. So, shut up? You can't! Neither can I, except as Allah wills.
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Yes, the Qur'an says the enemies are set up by Allah, the shaitans of human and jinn-kind are all assigned and determined by Allah. Do you blasphemy and claim that there is another power besides God determining and assigning things, be it "Chance" or "individual wills/powers" or anything else? You're inferior, but I am trying to help you stand. You're promoting blasphemy without even realizing it, I am not at all, even though what I am saying might sound unpleasant.
"like you claim everywhere else that God Wills and guides the doings and inclinations of the wrongdoing folk. Who are the wrongdoing folk? Have you ever given thought?"
They are the ones who do wrong, "duh". Evildoers, unjust. What is unappealing to us, and what God has made "evil", they do it. Thought given.
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Ah yes, God runs after what people do. They make their own decisions, so that they decide to go out on Saturday the 25th at 313 PM stepping on a certain insect unwittingly, delayed at the Coffee shop so that they are not at the crosswalk at a certain time where their sunglasses flash in the light and catch the eye of a certain pedestrian who does not notice the car coming on ahead, with a driver dealing with a phone call and gets hit. God only "determines some of, the humans had a share in what happened". Seriously, shut up. You're just heaping sin on top of sin. They can not do ANYTHING, Allah determines what they do, even though they consciously appear to be making choices. One single difference and they become the determiners of all the fates.
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Believers, do not follow the example of the infidels, who say of their brothers when they meet death abroad or in battle 'Had they stayed with us they would not have died, nor would they have been killed.' God will cause them to regret their words. It is God who ordains life and death. God has knowledge of all your actions."617
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lol say what you want man, you're ignorant and don't understand the implications of what you are saying. I know you think you're speaking on behalf of justice and rightness, but you're doing major blasphemy, and I've explained why. God can send astray or cause to err anyone at all, he is also in control of their deeds and actions, as I've explained, he determines every aspect, there is no detail that he does not determine, as creator of everything, creator of every experience we experience, see, do, think. Not creator of "some things". They are "wrongdoers" and Allah has already sent them astray that they are "wrongdoers" "with ears that do not hear, eyes that do not see, and hearts that do not understand" "created for hell", Allah decrees it, they do not decree it. He chooses and selects, never any choice had they. It doesn't matter about your addiction to human justice, God does whatever God wills, and invented human justice in all its forms and facets, even the Aztecs justice, and made it "fair seeming" to them, are you reading anything I'm writing? I just keep repeating it, so if you want to stay a blasphemer and ignorant person, if that is your "choice", haha then so be it. It is a sad tale indeed, but Allah is the writer of all tragedies.
"There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book."
lol what a joke. You're the one saying that to me? Saying "God is absolute" coming from you is just "lip service" it means nothing. For you, what you call God is "following after" these powers which operate somehow on their own and doing whatever they will, and God chases after them. You have it backwards. If you don't listen now, maybe you'll learn later, and maybe you'll learn in the absolute worst manner.
Yet, what can I learn? Is it the lesson you're trying to teach me that Allah is not the controller of everything? Then I spit at such a disgusting pathetic God, I worship the Ultimate, nothing less, you can worship your fraud all you want, such a God does not even compare to my Master. Call your God Allah, I'll call my God Odin then, the fetterer of the will. Yet there is only ever one Ultimate.
"Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts."
MTHERFA** WHO PUTS IT IN THEIR HEARTS? WHO PUTS IT IN THEIR HEARTS! BRAIN BROKEN! WHO! WHO! I'm speaking your monkey language, WHO WHO WHO! WHO!
Come on.
Pissing me off. Talk to me on Skype or via email [email protected] or something, I'll slap you around more until you become a proper slave. Then a warrior who surrenders to the fray.
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@FreedomStands ,
Salam. Bravo. Fiery but so true and excellent speech. Don't despair (pointless to say that , you can't be cheerful unless Allah wishes you to be cheerful).Haha exactly! I laughed though! I'm cheerful now with what you said! Thank you!
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Hi.
Let me answer you line by line. First of all, you don't seem to have an incredibly strong knowledge of what the Qur'an actually says.
Allah asks each of us to obey Him and surrender to His admonition, saying, "None but Allah knows the ultimate meaning 3/7. " The Ruh of Allah breathed into man possesses a little of the knowledge 17/85 from His Quran. So seek from Allah with all humility before Him, "O Allah increase me in knowledge of the Quran."
But here is the One, who turns away from these admonitions of Allah and surpasses above Allah defying Him to say, I have incredibly strong knowledge of what the Quran actually says. Now should we proceed to answer the rest of the ramblings?
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Allah asks each of us to obey Him and surrender to His admonition, saying, "None but Allah knows the ultimate meaning 3/7. " The Ruh of Allah breathed into man possesses a little of the knowledge 17/85 from His Quran. So seek from Allah with all humility before Him, "O Allah increase me in knowledge of the Quran."
But here is the One, who turns away from these admonitions of Allah and surpasses above Allah defying Him to say, I have incredibly strong knowledge of what the Quran actually says. Now should we proceed to answer the rest of the ramblings?
So you call my saying that Allah alone has all the power and is the controller and determining of everything absolutely, "ramblings"?
BEHOLD! I have learned the magic of drfazl! Only Allah can stop me now!
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Hi.
Let me answer you line by line. First of all, you don't seem to have an incredibly strong knowledge of what the Qur'an actually says.
Can you explain the bold part alone as to what you think of others and what you demand of others to think of you, directly or indirectly? "Incredibly strong in Quran" is sure rambling and against 3/7, 20/114 and 17/85.