If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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Seems you're lacking Faith.
And your proof is what?
A man that says "Everything is possible nothing is impossible" and lives up to the motto can surely not be without Faith, can he? Do you know what the word means? Confidence, security and acknowledgement.
It is like holding the hand over a pitcher of polluted water and saying "be you clean" and it comes pure. If it does, did that one lack Faith? No, I would not think so.
Iman is security in yourself which is security in God. Confidence is everything, but also humbleness to avoid arrogance which comes with confidence without humbleness.
But I have noticed you have derailed emotionally completely. This is detrimental for you, but hopefully you will eventually grow out of it. You still have time.
Be well
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I've told you, stop repeating the same question over and over, you've done this in all our arguments in the past, it is extremely annoying.
Seek patience from Allah; Allah does not create haste for you but patience; do not get annoyed; Allah will change your mood to righteousness. Now answer to my query regarding 6/17 and to the next question from me to you based on 3/7, 17/85, 20/114. Write the ayats, and then your interpretation, and then your justification to your own statement.
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But does this person (I refer to FreedomStands) worship the All Mighty/ The Ultimate as he claims?
See
1690 ?Indeed, Allah orders justice and good conduct and giving to relatives and forbids immorality and bad conduct and oppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded.?But does this person really honor this order and command? If you think he does, then look at all of his speech and intentions, you will find precious little signs of it.
Iblees/Satan, devils and his following recognize the All Mighty as the One and Only Power too, but what does Iblees, the shayateen and his followers call to/ tempt/whisper/encourage/employ? The very opposite of what is in 1690.
So your lord of darkness and evil, is a false idol that you worship with no power at all except to call to every injustice, to every perverted and disgusting speech and deeds, to oppression and bad conduct. To make the human believe that it can never choose between right or wrong, and whatever you do are not your deeds because God is responsible for your disobedience/obedience and so you in-fact, end up denying the judgement and trial and the All Mighty.
6112 And as such, We have permitted the enemies of every prophet?devils of mankind and Jinn?to inspire each other with fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.
6113 That is so the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter will listen to it, and they will accept it, and they will take of it what they will.
6114 ?Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you the Book fully detailed?? Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
Then do you worship the Lord of the worlds as you claim?
Refer to the Quran
711 And We created you, then We shaped you, then We said to the angels ?Yield to Adam;? so they yielded except for Satan, he was not of those who yielded.
712 He (God) said ?What has prevented you from yielding when I have ordered you?? He said ?I am far better than him, You created me from fire and created him from clay!?
713 He (God) said ?Descend from it, for it is not for you to be arrogant here; depart, for you are disgraced.?
714 He (Satan) said ?Grant me respite until the Day they are resurrected??
715 He (God) said ?You are granted.?
716 He (Satan) said ?For that which You have caused me to be misled, I will stalk for them on Your straight path.?
717 ?Then I will come to them from between their hands, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left; and You will find most of them unthankful.?
718 He (God) said ?Get out from this, you are despised and banished. As for those of them who follow you, I will fill Hell with you all!?
Satan/Iblees disobeyed, and blamed God for it. Disgraced is he who follows in these footsteps.
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I am replying on the phone. You made claims about faith in the post I was replying to. Can you do those things? No? That is what I was commenting on. That you said one who has faith can do such and such so I said it looks like you are lacking in faith since you can't apparently do such and such. I haven't derailed emotionally. Don't worry. I am just seeing how people respond to what is being said and how it is being said.
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I am responding on my phone to you A.W.
I am saying the Ultimate is all I call God. You are claiming God does not determine but things can go this way or that way and God doesn't know and chance determines the outcome. You are saying I am false and saying false things. You are saying it is false that Allah is determiner and you are saying you are the determiner and you can freely do this or that so chance determines the results which Allah also doesn't know. You are saying I am cursed for believing and stating Allah is the sole determiner. You are saying Shaitan could turn around and not be outcast regardless of Allah. You are implying I am like Shaitan and very likely Shaitan's follower ny saying Allah is the sole determiner while you say you determine and chance dwyer ines and Shaitan can determine too. You think I will be punished for saying Allah is the sole power and creator of everything and you will be spared for saying Allah is lacking in knowledge of what will happen and what will be done and relies instead on chance and follows after what people determine by chance. Do you really think you are right? Do you really think there is a source of anything at all in existence but Allah? I say that everything whatsoever in the Universe and on Earth is created by Allah entirely and Allah alone determines and creates what Allah wills and you are claiming no and that I am Satanic for saying Allah created everything whatsoever and that includes good and evil and not everything is necessarily good for people. That whatever is experienced is determined and created by Allah and decreed by Allah before it is brought into existence by Allah be it in the Earth or in yourself. You are saying no. You are saying I am wrong and Satanic and cursed for saying these things and that instead of God alone being determiner, you deterkine your fate by the actions you determine for yourself left up to chance since you can do this or that and God does not create absolutely everything and does not decree or determine or even know what will happen but is left in suspense waiting to see what chance determines and does not create all experiences bit people choose and determine. Perhaps you can go back and read the quotes I provided too.
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I am responding on my phone to you A.W.
I am saying the Ultimate is all I call God. You are claiming God does not determine but things can go this way or that way and God doesn't know and chance determines the outcome. You are saying I am false and saying false things. You are saying it is false that Allah is determiner and you are saying you are the determiner and you can freely do this or that so chance determines the results which Allah also doesn't know. You are saying I am cursed for believing and stating Allah is the sole determiner. You are saying Shaitan could turn around and not be outcast regardless of Allah. You are implying I am like Shaitan and very likely Shaitan's follower ny saying Allah is the sole determiner while you say you determine and chance dwyer ines and Shaitan can determine too. You think I will be punished for saying Allah is the sole power and creator of everything and you will be spared for saying Allah is lacking in knowledge of what will happen and what will be done and relies instead on chance and follows after what people determine by chance. Do you really think you are right? Do you really think there is a source of anything at all in existence but Allah? I say that everything whatsoever in the Universe and on Earth is created by Allah entirely and Allah alone determines and creates what Allah wills and you are claiming no and that I am Satanic for saying Allah created everything whatsoever and that includes good and evil and not everything is necessarily good for people. That whatever is experienced is determined and created by Allah and decreed by Allah before it is brought into existence by Allah be it in the Earth or in yourself. You are saying no. You are saying I am wrong and Satanic and cursed for saying these things and that instead of God alone being determiner, you deterkine your fate by the actions you determine for yourself left up to chance since you can do this or that and God does not create absolutely everything and does not decree or determine or even know what will happen but is left in suspense waiting to see what chance determines and does not create all experiences bit people choose and determine. Perhaps you can go back and read the quotes I provided too.
Then let the All-Mighty be witness, i am innocent of all your false accusations on my part. I seek refuge with God from being of the ignorants.
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What false accusations. I was trying to clarify our positions and what you are saying. Did I misunderstand you?
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Praise be to Allah. Now I have strong reason to not follow drfazl.
@ DrGm, I hope that you're not following him (drfazl) blindly
to me and my family and thousands of believers, no doctor needed so far. we pray and believe the Almighty will protect us from medicines and doctors in the hereafter too.
So, you and your family also do not need drfazl, right?
Are you also a doctor?
And, maybe now you're drfazl's assistant? Is it correct?
Why it seems like you're someone who's "following drfazl closely"?
. . . thousands of believers,
I doubt that the amount of believers (true ones) could reach thousands nowadays.
Peace.
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I doubt that the amount of believers (true ones) could reach thousands nowadays.
Peace Javalatte,
Dr Fazl's meetings (6 meetings per month) happens every month all over tamilnadu, southern state in India. Every meeting, 200 to 400 people attend. Also, a few listen over phone regularly. People abroad (Singapore, Malaysia, Dubai,etc.) download and listen to his speeches from foolproofcure website.
There are others who read his books and magazine - Health time.
So, you and your family also do not need drfazl, right?
Yes. Some do not go to him for treatment when they are ill, because Drfazl insists that we turn to God and not to him.
Gita
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Peace Javalatte,
Dr Fazl's meetings (6 meetings per month) happens every month all over tamilnadu, southern state in India. Every meeting, 200 to 400 people attend. Also, a few listen over phone regularly. People abroad (Singapore, Malaysia, Dubai,etc.) download and listen to his speeches from foolproofcure website.
There are others who read his books and magazine - Health time.
Yes. Some do not go to him for treatment when they are ill, because Drfazl insists that we turn to God and not to him.
Gita
So he is a big killer, not just one sitting on this forum, but killing people in the Tamilnadu, killing men, women, children, and the elderly with his misleading them and letting infections attack them and kill them and mutilate them from the inside. The Tamilnadu has many diseases and he is working for the diseases and allowing them to spread by not combating them. His sins are TREMENDOUS. He may have already led to the deaths of people, and you losers on this website take him as a joke and say that I'm being overly dramatic.
Javalatte used to enjoy coming around and kicking me when others would kick me urging them on saying "yeah, you tell em!" type stuff, when I am fighting for what is absolutely right.
Drfazl is a genocidal murderer and should not be tolerated whatsoever. There is nothing innocent about what he is doing or saying, he is sitting there and having people killed in the Tamilnadu apparently with a major influence over people.
You all are sitting and saying "no, no, it is ok, let people say whatever they want but you FreedomStands shouldn't say Allah is the only power", who CARES about that? This person is KILLING PEOPLE and spreading disease in a diseased populace with low health care already, he is harming and manipulating villagers, the Muslim population of the Tamilnadu, he is a SHAITAN OF EXTRAORDINARY PROPORTIONS. I'm not kidding!
If a mother thinks his lies are true, she won't give the medicine to her child, this man is a MURDERER.
I'm not being "overly dramatic". People who are tolerant of it are supporters of Murder too (Man of Faith, A.W., and whoever else who are always on the wrong side).
There should be 0 TOLERANCE of a person going around and having people killed.
He is worse than that, he is using the Qur'an to have MUSLIMS manipulated and killed.
Do you know what kind of punishment he is in store for? Yet he needs to be stopped NOW, the people of the Tamilnadu and Muslims are being harmed by him and he is spreading his shirk and misleading over them to lead to the harm of them and their families.
I will say it again and again, and you fools on this website want to have me banned?
drfazl is the MOST dangerous person on this website. I did not make as much of a fuss about the other deficient people on this website because they aren't nearly as lethal and dangerous as drfazl nor influencing and harming as many as he is. He is putting people at huge risk without any precautions and claiming it is in the name of Allah and the Qur'an, misleading the weak in knowledge and ignorant so that the infections are not combated and their bodies are harmed, he is a SHAITAN, an ENEMY, try to get it through your idiotic skulls you freaks!
Your disgusting tolerance of a flat out murderer means SUPPORT. This is not an issue you can sit by and say they are totally fine spreading news among Muslim villagers that they should allow the spread and progress of disease, you IDIOTS. This is why I hate the stupid fools on this website so much, they are all devils because they tolerate a murderer like this among many of their other disgusting and stupid traits and think they are righteous. Hey you animals, you are not RIGHTEOUS AT ALL, because you DO NOT STAND UP AGAINST EVIL, you stand up instead against ME and my saying "Allah is the Ultimate, there is no other power", you shirk riddled scum, and you sit and you tolerate a murderer like drfazl who is having children and the elderly die because they are not fighting infections.
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Freedom... ?do you always take what people say in this forum about who they are or do or any other claim as proven facts?
There is nothing easier than pretending without having to show your face or prove whatever. For all we know a person who says I am so and so and believe so and so is just a mole or a nuts who may be wanting to pose as somebody great or important. We do not know.
Do not get upset. People in Tamil Nado are no more idiot that anywhere else to spot trickers, and who knows whehter anybody here is doing anythin in tamel nadu or the anthartic.
There are thousands of forum in the internet no to speak of the face book or the twitter. Don't get mad about somebody who says this and that becuase you think it is really this and that. That is a good job internet has done. Instead of having the nuts running wild through th streets, we can all join here and do our nuttingness in in this palce without harming the streets.
Salaam
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Freedom... ?do you always take what people say in this forum about who they are or do or any other claim as proven facts?
There is nothing easier than pretending without having to show your face or prove whatever. For all we know a person who says I am so and so and believe so and so is just a mole or a nuts who may be wanting to pose as somebody great or important. We do not know.
Do not get upset. People in Tamil Nado are no more idiot that anywhere else to spot trickers, and who knows whehter anybody here is doing anythin in tamel nadu or the anthartic.
There are thousands of forum in the internet no to speak of the face book or the twitter. Don't get mad about somebody who says this and that becuase you think it is really this and that. That is a good job internet has done. Instead of having the nuts running wild through th streets, we can all join here and do our nuttingness in in this palce without harming the streets.
Salaam
Thank you, but it doesn't matter if it is true or not (but this drfazl, a person called drfazl has a website with videos and everything, you can find it too, if it is the same guy here or a guy pretending to be him or not isn't the point at all), the point is that Allah sets up unjust ones and enemies, and it is our duty to fight evil and misleading and injustice, and speak out against it at the very least and persist against it.
It doesn't matter what is true or not true regarding this individual, they need to be fought against because of what they are saying and trying to lead people to, even on the internet which is a form of communication. I am fully aware that no one will get fooled by him except who Allah wills, that isn't the point at all.
The polytheists in Mecca, the evildoers of Egypt, and the people of Abrahim and Lot all had to be fought against and spoken out again, and Noah had to speak out against evil as well. This is a duty upon true Muslims, and Allah sets up enemies to demonstrate who are the ones who speak out against evil and oppression and who quietly do not offer much resistance or opposition and who actually attack the ones fighting evil. A.W. who loves saying "you've proven what you are" has for example proven to be on the side of injustice multiple times, though he thinks he is on the side of justice, he was easy on Man of Faith and easy on drfazl, drfazl being a serious murderer and misleader, even if it is just online (but there is a real guy in the world too, who he is supposed to be, and the internet is real as well, we are all real people, so don't let the internet cause you to become detached or not fight as hard as you might in real life).
Generally, what is proven time and again is that the people on this website are evildoers and hypocrites. They sit by and tolerate misguidance and evil even when it reaches murderous levels, this is because they are not at all surrendered to Allah and devoted to true righteous action. Instead you see them repeatedly attack the one saying "Allah alone is the Ultimate, there is no other power whatsoever", making it very clear who and what they are, that they chose that to fight rather than to fight injustice, they fight a devotee of Allah. They are hypocrites and kaffirs wholeheartedly. They tell people not to pray and mock it as "acrobatics" they tell people to turn away from the qiblah, they tell people not to fast, do you understand what level of evil these people are? They are on the internet, they are real people, communicating to each other, and all this is real, don't get confused by the typing aspect, its real communication and these are real deeds being done.
Not one of them is a strong fighter, in the ancient times they would likely not have taken up arms against oppression and evil, since they lack the hatred of it even now, but certainly hate one who says "Allah is the Ultimate, there is no other power whatsoever than Allah, controller of all things".
Allah sets up enemies and evildoers to "prove" and "make manifest" (what is often translated as "testing", but for Allah there is no "I don't know what I'm making" but only like a chemical test, bringing about exactly what Allah intends to bring about, manifesting his creation) who are the righteous, who are the evil, who is strong, who is weak, who will stand up and fight evil. This is not Allah not knowing and seeing, this is Allah manifesting exactly what Allah wills, "this is the fighter, this is the weakling, this is the evildoer, behold".
drfazl, the poisonous serpent, has been set up on this forum as a Shaitan and evildoer spreading misguidance and shirk that can genuinely be the cause of misleading and harming people (just like disease himself), and now it is our duty to fight evil and misguidance, and notice that I'm the only one fighting so hard, I'm always ahead of the pack, foremost in the battlefield. Even you are saying "no no, its all fantasy, don't worry", this is the kind of self comforting that others did in the past perhaps too, no, it doesn't matter if drfazl listens or not or anyone listens or not, its about OUR actions, do we stand up against evil? are we one of those who fight misguidance vehemently and viciously? Do we sit back and let others fight and we let injustice and disease spread? Allah makes distinctions and who is who is made manifest.
So join me in the fight against this simple, online, propped up demon and speak out against evil openly, and gain some merit and be heroic. Protecting a person spreading disease is not justice or righteousness at all.
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I already had a heated exchange with drafzl. At one point I read something interested from him, but later I did have that exchange and since them I have ignored him. As far as I am concerned, without precluding that some time he might say something of interest, he got disqualified. I do not usally have the time or strength to wngage in long battles, and I also think that people, each people must think up for themselves, if they refuse to do that, we are presching to them and it is as if we were selling them our own goods, which is not the case and they will turn away from us. So I think even in uncovering pretence one has to use some measure, because otherwise it has the opposite result.
May be I do not feel the danger as you do, but at any rate I can tell you that too much adjectivation is counterproductive. We have had good arguments on this question of God relaying on God means doing nothing and I think anybody who wants to reason has already done it. If you keep harping, you will convince less and defeat your own purpose.
You are young I think and you want all action, but we are not all as fit as you.
Salaam
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I already had a heated exchange with drafzl. At one point I read something interested from him, but later I did have that exchange and since them I have ignored him. As far as I am concerned, without precluding that some time he might say something of interest, he got disqualified. I do not usally have the time or strength to wngage in long battles, and I also think that people, each people must think up for themselves, if they refuse to do that, we are presching to them and it is as if we were selling them our own goods, which is not the case and they will turn away from us. So I think even in uncovering pretence one has to use some measure, because otherwise it has the opposite result.
May be I do not feel the danger as you do, but at any rate I can tell you that too much adjectivation is counterproductive. We have had good arguments on this question of God relaying on God means doing nothing and I think anybody who wants to reason has already done it. If you keep harping, you will convince less and defeat your own purpose.
You are young I think and you want all action, but we are not all as fit as you.
Salaam
I agree. My idea is more about "doing right in the immediate as yourself for yourself" regardless of any objectives such as "convincing" people which is not possible. For example, Noah didn't seem to convince anyone much, nor did Ibrahim, but their whole function was being exemplars of the right. So our job, and your job, is a simple one, its simply to act rightly, to speak out against evil when it appears, and this is such an easy version, just an online forum where anyone can easily at least type their opposition to wrong things being stated and then you've done a little justice. You do alright though.
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Peace.
There is only one truth. Whether you defend it or not ,it will prevail.
Defending the truth means calling to GOD Alone and Qoran Alone. GOD does everything.
Proclaim "O people, the truth has come to you herein from your Lord. Whoever is guided is guided for his own good. And whoever goes astray, goes astray to his own detriment. I am not a guardian over you."
Praise God, who revealed to His servant this scripture, and made it flawless.
A perfect (scripture) to warn of severe retribution from Him, and to deliver good news to the believers who lead a righteous life, that they have earned a generous recompense.Such is God, your rightful Lord. What is there after the truth, except falsehood? How could you disregard all this?
Say, "The truth has come; while falsehood can neither initiate anything, nor repeat it."
We only send the messengers as simply deliverers of good news, as well as warners. Those who disbelieve argue with falsehood to defeat the truth, and they take My proofs and warnings in vain.
God cites the example of a man who deals with disputing partners (Hadith/personal opinions/innovations/...), compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source (Qoran). Are they the same? Praise be to God; most of them do not know.
Qoran 3933] As for those who promote the truth, and believe therein, they are the righteous.
Among our creations, there are those who guide with the truth, and the truth renders them righteous.
God took a covenant from those who received the scripture "You shall proclaim it to the people, and never conceal it." But they disregarded it behind their backs, and traded it away for a cheap price. What a miserable trade.
And preach with this (Qoran) to those who reverence the summoning before their Lord - they have none beside Him as a Lord and Master, nor an intercessor - that they may attain salvation.
We are fully aware of everything they utter, while you have no power over them. Therefore, remind with this Qoran, those who reverence My warnings.
So ,whoever is claiming the truth but is following falsehood GOD is aware of them.
In GOD we trust . Help us Lord to promote your truth to defeat falsehood in whatever guise it may appear.
GOD bless.
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Peace.
There is only one truth. Whether you defend it or not ,it will prevail.
Defending the truth means calling to GOD Alone and Qoran Alone. GOD does everything.
Proclaim "O people, the truth has come to you herein from your Lord. Whoever is guided is guided for his own good. And whoever goes astray, goes astray to his own detriment. I am not a guardian over you."
Praise God, who revealed to His servant this scripture, and made it flawless.
A perfect (scripture) to warn of severe retribution from Him, and to deliver good news to the believers who lead a righteous life, that they have earned a generous recompense.Such is God, your rightful Lord. What is there after the truth, except falsehood? How could you disregard all this?
Say, "The truth has come; while falsehood can neither initiate anything, nor repeat it."
We only send the messengers as simply deliverers of good news, as well as warners. Those who disbelieve argue with falsehood to defeat the truth, and they take My proofs and warnings in vain.
God cites the example of a man who deals with disputing partners (Hadith/personal opinions/innovations/...), compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source (Qoran). Are they the same? Praise be to God; most of them do not know.
Qoran 3933] As for those who promote the truth, and believe therein, they are the righteous.
Among our creations, there are those who guide with the truth, and the truth renders them righteous.
God took a covenant from those who received the scripture "You shall proclaim it to the people, and never conceal it." But they disregarded it behind their backs, and traded it away for a cheap price. What a miserable trade.
And preach with this (Qoran) to those who reverence the summoning before their Lord - they have none beside Him as a Lord and Master, nor an intercessor - that they may attain salvation.
We are fully aware of everything they utter, while you have no power over them. Therefore, remind with this Qoran, those who reverence My warnings.
So ,whoever is claiming the truth but is following falsehood GOD is aware of them.
In GOD we trust . Help us Lord to promote your truth to defeat falsehood in whatever guise it may appear.
GOD bless.
Peace.Exactly!
Salaam good logic
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Peace.
There is only one truth. Whether you defend it or not ,it will prevail.
Defending the truth means calling to GOD Alone and Qoran Alone. GOD does everything.
Proclaim "O people, the truth has come to you herein from your Lord. Whoever is guided is guided for his own good. And whoever goes astray, goes astray to his own detriment. I am not a guardian over you."
Praise God, who revealed to His servant this scripture, and made it flawless.
A perfect (scripture) to warn of severe retribution from Him, and to deliver good news to the believers who lead a righteous life, that they have earned a generous recompense.Such is God, your rightful Lord. What is there after the truth, except falsehood? How could you disregard all this?
Say, "The truth has come; while falsehood can neither initiate anything, nor repeat it."
We only send the messengers as simply deliverers of good news, as well as warners. Those who disbelieve argue with falsehood to defeat the truth, and they take My proofs and warnings in vain.
God cites the example of a man who deals with disputing partners (Hadith/personal opinions/innovations/...), compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source (Qoran). Are they the same? Praise be to God; most of them do not know.
Qoran 3933] As for those who promote the truth, and believe therein, they are the righteous.
Among our creations, there are those who guide with the truth, and the truth renders them righteous.
God took a covenant from those who received the scripture "You shall proclaim it to the people, and never conceal it." But they disregarded it behind their backs, and traded it away for a cheap price. What a miserable trade.
And preach with this (Qoran) to those who reverence the summoning before their Lord - they have none beside Him as a Lord and Master, nor an intercessor - that they may attain salvation.
We are fully aware of everything they utter, while you have no power over them. Therefore, remind with this Qoran, those who reverence My warnings.
So ,whoever is claiming the truth but is following falsehood GOD is aware of them.
In GOD we trust . Help us Lord to promote your truth to defeat falsehood in whatever guise it may appear.
GOD bless.
Peace.Good post. The Truth will always prevail, that is, whatever Allah determines will always prevail, but the idea I'm also trying to promote is that regardless of the truth prevailing or not, in focusing on ourselves we should not stand by or sit by or sleep by as evil and injustice, misguidance and lies abound, but the least we can do is stand up and speak out against wrong, and that is good for us, regardless if anyone listens or if truth prevails or not, that we stood up against and opposed evil and fought against it, its part of our duty and obligation as true Muslims, it is part of striving in the cause of Allah (Jihad), it is a religious and personal practice that has nothing to do with actually winning or not.
Ibrahim stood upright for righteousness and truth against the lies. He was sickened by the lies and destroyed idolatry and mocked it. Nuh stood against lies where the people worshiped "Love" (Wadd) and others concepts. Musa stood against the Pharoah with Harun, Lut spoke out against the evils of his community. These people were the righteous, and Muhammed fought against evil as well, as Allah commanded and prescribed. It is no little thing, and it doesn't matter what the results are at all, just that we do it, like charity. Charity is not about if it actually ends up resolving all poverty in the world, but is about our individual action of being intent on relieving trouble and anxiety, another form of fighting evil and injustice.
So we must, if we are to be proven as true Muslims, stand up and speak out against evil, against shirk, against all the vipers and the witches and their poison and lies.
I am not wrong in this. This is just an internet forum, and is one of the easiest places we can speak out against evilness when it is spotted, but I didn't come here for that purpose, its just that a Muslim naturally hates evil and is sickened by it and speaks out against it, the same way these hypocrites are disgusted by the statement that Allah alone is the Ultimate who determines everything absolutely and there is no power but Allah alone nor anything which Allah relies on for results, such as "Chance".
Remember the Qur'an says how they are disgusted when Allah alone is mentioned and love only when Allah is mentioned with other powers and partners and concepts.
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Exactly!
Salaam good logic
lol what in the world are you saying "exactly!" for while promoting that Allah relies on chance to determine things, does not know what people will necessarily do nor determines it, and that they operate on their own power? Telling people who are trying to straighten you up not to address you and that you are not going to learn anything, when you are a shirk promoter, and also a defender of evilness, who comes and opposes people fighting against evil and does so by saying "no, God is not the Ultimate controller or determiner, but we determine what paths we choose, and it is left to chance, and God doesn't determine or choose, or but we choose, and God watches in suspense, not knowing, and leaving it up to chance since it can go this way or that way" these are NOT false accusations, these are the actual things implied in what you are saying, and you come and fight me instead of a devil like drfazl and other promoters of falsehood and evil. You are always on the wrong side of the fence, why don't you humble yourself and come to the side of right?
You won't be able to, save as Allah wills. You can not even will it, except as Allah wills it.
Allah has placed you on the wrong side of goodness, because you say that Allah does not choose and determine, because you think it is unjust or evil to say that Allah is the determiner and cause of evil. In your hope for piety, you become a blasphemer and performer of shirk.
Is there ANY shirk in the statement that ALLAH ALONE IS THE POWER WHICH DETERMINES AND CONTROLS EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY, THE SOLE CREATOR OF EVERY DETAIL OF WHICH THERE IS NO OTHER CREATOR? IS THERE ANY SHIRK IN THAT STATEMENT?
NO!
YET IS THERE SHIRK IN THE STATEMENT THAT "GOD DOES NOT CREATE EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY, ONLY SOME THINGS, HUMANS CHOOSE WHAT GOD CREATES OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT IN THEIR EXPERIENCE AND CHANCE DETERMINES SINCE IT CAN GO ANY WAY BASED ON VARIOUS PRE-CALCULATED PATHS WHICH GOD HAS NO IDEA WHAT WILL BE CHOSEN"
Do you understand? I'm trying to help you.
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lol what in the world are you saying "exactly!" for while promoting that Allah relies on chance to determine things, does not know what people will necessarily do nor determines it, and that they operate on their own power? Telling people who are trying to straighten you up not to address you and that you are not going to learn anything, when you are a shirk promoter, and also a defender of evilness, who comes and opposes people fighting against evil and does so by saying "no, God is not the Ultimate controller or determiner, but we determine what paths we choose, and it is left to chance, and God doesn't determine or choose, or but we choose, and God watches in suspense, not knowing, and leaving it up to chance since it can go this way or that way" these are NOT false accusations, these are the actual things implied in what you are saying, and you come and fight me instead of a devil like drfazl and other promoters of falsehood and evil. You are always on the wrong side of the fence, why don't you humble yourself and come to the side of right?
You won't be able to, save as Allah wills. You can not even will it, except as Allah wills it.
Allah has placed you on the wrong side of goodness, because you say that Allah does not choose and determine, because you think it is unjust or evil to say that Allah is the determiner and cause of evil. In your hope for piety, you become a blasphemer and performer of shirk.
Is there ANY shirk in the statement that ALLAH ALONE IS THE POWER WHICH DETERMINES AND CONTROLS EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY, THE SOLE CREATOR OF EVERY DETAIL OF WHICH THERE IS NO OTHER CREATOR? IS THERE ANY SHIRK IN THAT STATEMENT?
NO!
YET IS THERE SHIRK IN THE STATEMENT THAT "GOD DOES NOT CREATE EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY, ONLY SOME THINGS, HUMANS CHOOSE WHAT GOD CREATES OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT IN THEIR EXPERIENCE AND CHANCE DETERMINES SINCE IT CAN GO ANY WAY BASED ON VARIOUS PRE-CALCULATED PATHS WHICH GOD HAS NO IDEA WHAT WILL BE CHOSEN"
Do you understand? I'm trying to help you.
Again, mere accusations those too things that i have never believed nor have i ever said and those too without any proof or warrant, complete vindictiveness, keep up your attempts of arrogant posts without knowledge, God will bring out what you fear.
Shall i seek other than God as a guide when He (no gender implied) revealed the Quran fully detailed?
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Again, mere accusations those too things that i have never believed nor have i ever said and those too without any proof or warrant, complete vindictiveness, keep up your attempts of arrogant posts without knowledge, God will bring out what you fear.
Shall i seek other than God as a guide when He (no gender implied) revealed the Quran fully detailed?
Dude, do you not understand those are not "mere accusations", they are what your statements imply. Explain yourself then if you're claiming it false. I explained already that when you say "God doesn't determine, we determine" those are the implications.
You're the one lying by saying you are not saying that. Go look at your posts, you've clearly made these implications. If you are saying what I am saying, then you're right, if you are saying anything else, then you are wrong and saying the other thing.
It is pretty simple. Stop denying like a chicken and then explain your beliefs as not meaning that "it can go this way or that way". You can't just explain it then? You keep saying these are accusations out of nowhere? You are the one saying that I'm wrong and Satanic, and then you're denying that you're saying something different than me?
Explain yourself already. You claim you don't believe those things I've said are the implications of what you are saying. I agree, you probably haven't thought it through to realize those are the implications involved with what you are saying, and instead believe some other stupid thing.
So go ahead and explain to everyone here your beliefs, and then I'll tell you the implications they logically induce or mean, and then if you have any guts and brains you'll admit that oh yeah those are the implications.
Just like I admit that the implications of what I am saying are that God controls every single rape that occurs (calamitous as they are, and how they are experienced, and the thoughts and actions related to them too, as those are all "created" information, and there is no other creator).
See? I'm not a coward like you. So man-up for once in your life, this is just an internet forum, and go ahead and explain yourself and how I can possibly be "wrong" and how your blasphemous garbage is actually "right" when it implies God doesn't know and God didn't determine it, and God leaves it to chance for humans to determine the paths and coordinates and thus which experiences occur.
Go ahead. Or maybe swallow that you've been a fool, and say "Allah alone is the Ultimate power, controller of everything absolutely, all experiences, good and evil, determiner of all livelihoods and what happens, and who dies and how and when and every detail, we have no power but are powerless before Allah, if Allah has saved us it is not due to any merit of our own, we own nothing, God gives us everything, Allah freely gives and freely takes away".
You either say that, or you're a shirki, so explain your shirk.