If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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you are equating prayers of a God alone servant to selling a tea? and then lowering the prayer.
61.10 - O! ye who believe, shall i inform you to a business that will save you from painful disgrace?
lol, do you not understand that he has no right to "sell prayers" whatsoever? If Allah is doing the work, what does he deserve any money for? Is the idea that "Allah does not listen to the people, but listens to drfazl because of some special quality of drfazl which the people lack"? This is like the "saint worship" then, making drfazl an intercessor with God "he will intercede on my behalf, drfazl's prayers are heard when I pay him 2000USD, whereas when I pray, my prayers are not heard, so I will pay drfazl to pray for me so that he intercedes with Allah on my behalf".
Do you understand what you are saying and doing?
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Any visitors can start reading from here!
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373323#msg373323
Join the battle against an evildoer who is selling lies and deception to the people for a high price of 2000USD.
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lol, do you not understand that he has no right to "sell prayers" whatsoever? If Allah is doing the work, what does he deserve any money for? Is the idea that "Allah does not listen to the people, but listens to drfazl because of some special quality of drfazl which the people lack"? This is like the "saint worship" then, making drfazl an intercessor with God "he will intercede on my behalf, drfazl's prayers are heard when I pay him 2000USD, whereas when I pray, my prayers are not heard, so I will pay drfazl to pray for me so that he intercedes with Allah on my behalf".
Do you understand what you are saying and doing?
do you understand my post and do you ponder your above sayings? do you?
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So, is it your fish in colours who creates your things in you or you are a creator yourself or things create themselves by themselves?
You make too much theater with so much shock but in fact you are not bringing up any solid explanation for the questions that have been raised.
Getting shocked and acting horrified is no substitute for explanations nor for making sense.
Who creats evil? or is it uncreated? Or evil exist by itself since ever? Or did Iblees create by himself?
Another show of shockedness might not be felt as sufficient answer by those who indeed want to have an answer along the line you seem to believe is the correct one.
Salaam
Great post! He seems to ignore most things brought up to him. Maybe he will manage to ignore the feeling of his flesh burned off repeatedly in hell fire if he ends up there.
"Why would I end up there?"
Well, Allah can do whatever Allah wills, but you have also charged the poor, sick, and needy 2000USD to "pray" on their behalf as a "intercessor" with God, you have stated shirk by saying "Allah did not create everything", you have supported the spread of disease among the sickness struck people of the Tamilnadu region by saying "do not fight disease" and your explanation is shirk "because Allah has not created the means by which diseases are typically fought, such as antibiotics, but jinn have created it or other creators besides Allah have created these things" despite the Qur'an even saying "you and all you make" were created by Allah, and even if the Qur'an had not said that, that is simply the logical case that whatever is Ultimate refers to what is Ultimately responsible for everything absolutely.
Your crimes are many, besides being a zalim and an ingrate, who says "I refuse the help of Allah, and what FreedomStands is saying" and zalim because of suggesting "they died or suffered because they had no faith in Allah, they sought treatment to fight disease because they are performers of shirk instead of coming to me and paying 2000USD for a prayer" and other things, such as fighting against me when I am trying to make you a good man for once in your life.
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do you understand my post and do you ponder your above sayings? do you?
Yes, actually. I am reading and re-reading all my posts and yours. I do pay attention to what you are saying very carefully, but I don't think you actually care or pay any attention to what I am saying at all. You are just defending this person, the way people defend their cult leaders who have taken wealth from them often and they say "we must pay, I wanted to pay and I am happy that I paid" and whatever, you can read about how these things work and the more people invest the more they justify it and defend their stupidity and mistakes.
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This is the kind of stuff
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja0Hs7Ryth0
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https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPbstGMt4Fw
At 37 minutes you say "I was a fraud and I was a killer until 1986" haha, I think that might be when you became a fraud and a killer for real, it was also the year I was born to come and tell you to become a proper Muslim.
Now you charge money for prayers, say that Allah is not the creator of everything absolutely, and tell people to not fight against disease and its spread, making you a fraud and a killer for real.
You should, even as a shirk promoting thief, at least find time to perform some exercise for health purposes, or is that a bad idea and "shirk"? Shall I pay you 2000USD to intercede with Allah and pray for my physical fitness while doing no exercise? I don't know, I might end up looking like a fat snake if I were to do that!
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what is that *facepalm. i do not understand.
I am sorry, please ignore it.
did you read my post fully. that which brought your attention is only the payment part.
Because I think that ("payment" is strong evidence to know the error of drfazl's practice.
Don't you understand?
did i say he is concerned with the rest of the money?
If he doesn't have concern (doesn't care) about it, then he should tell them not to pay again - something like that, right?
do you really think you can sell prayers?
I think we should not sell prayer/s.
Hope that is clear enough for you.
If you pray for someone else, then I suggest to drfazl & his team
do not take any fee for that - whatever you named it (the fee).Is this so hard for you to understand @ DrGm, or you deliberately playing dumb here?
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when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.
whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.
now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.
he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.
please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.
they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.
when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.
he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.
Salaam brother,
I have a question.
Do those patients who were already cured will return to him again for any other illnesses?May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Salaam brother,
I have a question.
Do those patients who were already cured will return to him again for any other illnesses?May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan"With the help of the intercession of drfazl"
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I am sorry, please ignore it.
Because I think that ("payment" is strong evidence to know the error of drfazl's practice.
Don't you understand?
If he doesn't have concern (doesn't care) about it, then he should tell them not to pay again - something like that, right?
I think we should not sell prayer/s.
Hope that is clear enough for you.
If you pray for someone else, then I suggest to drfazl & his team
do not take any fee for that - whatever you named it (the fee).Is this so hard for you to understand @ DrGm, or you deliberately playing dumb here?
Hehe cool!
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Salaam brother,
I have a question.
Do those patients who were already cured will return to him again for any other illnesses?May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanpeace mmkhan,
it is prayer healing, the patients need to know what is it. the first thought of anyone who hears it is they compare with the christian prayer healing. but it is not. may be i don't know a correct word in english. so the patient's are taught what is God? what is disease? why we get disease? how it gets cured?
these questions are normally cleared when some one attend the meetings which are free to public. many who come to the meetings to hear the teachings do not even meet drfazl and when i discuss with them they are leading a life without any medicines even paying a single penny to drfazl. drfazl do not know them, but they know drfazl.
only who want to meet drfazl privately come to his clinic, they pay for witnessing the sign of healing. what he teach in the meeting is free when they come to him privately for the same they are paying. even though he is doctor, now he has only quran and God with him. so, God brings him patients. if a patient returns to him it is only to strengthen his belief in God? many people are ready to pay even their entire wealth (patients tell this) to modern medicine to see a cure, but they didn't find a cure for any disease, they only lost their organs. but when they come to drfazl they want it free because it is only a prayer for them like many here. after seeing this for a long time he was guided by 9.103 only this time he in the public meeting announced his fees is 2000USD to motivate them to spend. the same time he announced in freeminds also. people here started to think as usual he must have huge wealth milking by prayer for so many years and so many patients. their jealous fires their belly so they can't comprehend. because they have not met a single servant of God who is truthful to God. there was a hue and cry here too but after seeing what is happening they understood.
drfazl teaches quran the way he lives. whoever comes to the meeting regularly you can see them they removed their religious identities be a muslim, or a christian or a hindu or an atheist. they wish to become humans instead of religious divisions. hindus takes quran, christians takes quran, atheist takes quran and muslims takes quran to read in their native language first time to understand. many with their families turning towards Allah against all accusations more than what you see in this forum. it is a peaceful renaissance shielded from the disbelievers eyes (yet they call themselves believers as in the aforesaid periods) by Allah. unless you see by your own you will not understand what is happening by the Grace of Allah.
may we be protected from shaitan who puts us doubts in believers.
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peace mmkhan,
it is prayer healing, the patients need to know what is it. the first thought of anyone who hears it is they compare with the christian prayer healing. but it is not. may be i don't know a correct word in english. so the patient's are taught what is God? what is disease? why we get disease? how it gets cured?
these questions are normally cleared when some one attend the meetings which are free to public. many who come to the meetings to hear the teachings do not even meet drfazl and when i discuss with them they are leading a life without any medicines even paying a single penny to drfazl. drfazl do not know them, but they know drfazl.
only who want to meet drfazl privately come to his clinic, they pay for witnessing the sign of healing. what he teach in the meeting is free when they come to him privately for the same they are paying. even though he is doctor, now he has only quran and God with him. so, God brings him patients. if a patient returns to him it is only to strengthen his belief in God? many people are ready to pay even their entire wealth (patients tell this) to modern medicine to see a cure, but they didn't find a cure for any disease, they only lost their organs. but when they come to drfazl they want it free because it is only a prayer for them like many here. after seeing this for a long time he was guided by 9.103 only this time he in the public meeting announced his fees is 2000USD to motivate them to spend. the same time he announced in freeminds also. people here started to think as usual he must have huge wealth milking by prayer for so many years and so many patients. their jealous fires their belly so they can't comprehend. because they have not met a single servant of God who is truthful to God. there was a hue and cry here too but after seeing what is happening they understood.
drfazl teaches quran the way he lives. whoever comes to the meeting regularly you can see them they removed their religious identities be a muslim, or a christian or a hindu or an atheist. they wish to become humans instead of religious divisions. hindus takes quran, christians takes quran, atheist takes quran and muslims takes quran to read in their native language first time to understand. many with their families turning towards Allah against all accusations more than what you see in this forum. it is a peaceful renaissance shielded from the disbelievers eyes (yet they call themselves believers as in the aforesaid periods) by Allah. unless you see by your own you will not understand what is happening by the Grace of Allah.
may we be protected from shaitan who puts us doubts in believers.
Peace brother,
Thanks for your reply.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Peace to all.
I have been following these posts for quite a while now. Been following drfazl's posts and his methods of treating patients through quran. Its very interesting and surprising to know people actually get cured without medicines or any surgeries. since the topic is now getting hotter day by day i thought i could make myself get clarified on some points.
Lets assume that if a person is suffering from coronary heart disease and he needs a bypass surgery. He doesnt want to be operated upon as the person is afraid of open heart surgery and he knows the side effects of it and he searches options other than surgery for his cure from this illness. He comes to know about drfazl's way of treatment and he sees him. 'IF' he gets cured of his problem ,wouldnt that be a miracle cure for him and allah has shown the righteous path for him?. What will he be thinking? He is saved from a open heart surgery and its morbidity. And he's also saved from endless,huge medical expenses which he has to afford all the rest of his life. I hope u guys know the cost of a bypass surgery in your respective countries. Its not cheap. Comes close to 5000 USD for the surgery alone and the medical expenses for him all his life is about 10 times that. So he just spends 2000 USD for his treatment and by allah's grace he is getting cured. Thats a cost you would anyhow give because its your life which is at stake. Whats the point then in pinpointing his fees alone? The final result is you enter allah's grace and for the rest of his life he is surrendered and submissive to allah and seek allah for all his needs.
2- Viceversa in allopathy, if the same person gets this surgery done and he is informed cured by the doctor who has operated upon him, wont the patient associate the doctor to a god? Isnt that open shirk? and above that i have seen so many people getting multiple bypass surgeries done due to failure of the graft. So what the doctor promised of his cure is a BLATANT LIE. Will this be the work of god? Seriously? I mean will this increase my belief in allah in anyway? If i truly believe in allah then allah shall show me the way to further increase my belief in him,which is what drfazl seems to be doing. This is (allopathic system) contradictory to what is in the quran.
These are few of the questions and thoughts in my mind. Wanted to share it with you all. Peace.
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Peace to all.
I have been following these posts for quite a while now. Been following drfazl's posts and his methods of treating patients through quran. Its very interesting and surprising to know people actually get cured without medicines or any surgeries. since the topic is now getting hotter day by day i thought i could make myself get clarified on some points.
Lets assume that if a person is suffering from coronary heart disease and he needs a bypass surgery. He doesnt want to be operated upon as the person is afraid of open heart surgery and he knows the side effects of it and he searches options other than surgery for his cure from this illness. He comes to know about drfazl's way of treatment and he sees him. 'IF' he gets cured of his problem ,wouldnt that be a miracle cure for him and allah has shown the righteous path for him?. What will he be thinking? He is saved from a open heart surgery and its morbidity. And he's also saved from endless,huge medical expenses which he has to afford all the rest of his life. I hope u guys know the cost of a bypass surgery in your respective countries. Its not cheap. Comes close to 5000 USD for the surgery alone and the medical expenses for him all his life is about 10 times that. So he just spends 2000 USD for his treatment and by allah's grace he is getting cured. Thats a cost you would anyhow give because its your life which is at stake. Whats the point then in pinpointing his fees alone? The final result is you enter allah's grace and for the rest of his life he is surrendered and submissive to allah and seek allah for all his needs.
2- Viceversa in allopathy, if the same person gets this surgery done and he is informed cured by the doctor who has operated upon him, wont the patient associate the doctor to a god? Isnt that open shirk? and above that i have seen so many people getting multiple bypass surgeries done due to failure of the graft. So what the doctor promised of his cure is a BLATANT LIE. Will this be the work of god? Seriously? I mean will this increase my belief in allah in anyway? If i truly believe in allah then allah shall show me the way to further increase my belief in him,which is what drfazl seems to be doing. This is (allopathic system) contradictory to what is in the quran.
These are few of the questions and thoughts in my mind. Wanted to share it with you all. Peace.
Why is there a 2000USD fee (on the poor people of Tamilnadu) for praying to Allah?
Why can't drfazl go around and pray for people for free?
The doctor is not commonly thought of as a God, but a technician, like a baker is a scientist of baking, the doctor learns about the human bodily functions.
The doctor is performing a service, drfazl is not doing anything but praying to Allah.
People don't even consider the Doctor and intercessor with Allah. Yet if "drfazl's prayer works, while my prayer doesn't work" that is definitely making drfazl an intercessor with Allah "Allah listens to drfazl, but doesn't listen to me".
This is the evil of old, evil people used to do this in the past too, it doesn't matter if it works or not, it is the same as
"So what is wrong with going to an idol, and praying to that idol, asking the idol to go before God spiritually and ask for help, if the cure then comes after that? Is there anything wrong with that idol and if it seems to help to pour milk on that idol's head, is there anything wrong with pouring milk on the idols head and leaving food for it if it helps me get cured?"
It is a grave sin to sell religion and prayer for a price.
It is a grave sin to say "Allah is not the creator of everything absolutely", that is true shirk.
It is a grave sin to say "drfazl's prayers work, but my prayers do not work, Allah listens to drfazl because of some special quality of drfazl, but Allah doesn't listen to my pleas".
This is "intercession" it is a huge sin in Islam. There were many "healers" and "saints" of old who used to do this practice. Even if it works or appears to work, that is the deception of shirk leading people to destruction. The ones who think that drfazl's prayers work and ask for his intercession are performing a terrible sin.
You can't go around paying people for prayers.
drfazl should go and pray for all the people and heal the Tamilnadu, or does he fear poverty will strike him if they don't pay him each 2000USD in their sick desperation?
So tell me Raul, what is wrong with asking the intercession of an individual? What is wrong to pouring milk on an idols head if it works to intercede and heal? What is wrong is the belief and the implications and the charges, that is what is wrong. What is wrong is the injustice and thievery.
If it is Allah that is healing, then why is drfazl taking money for the work of Allah if drfazl has no part in it? Is it that drfazl is an intercessor who has some special quality that his prayers are answered, so instead of healing all the people with this special power he makes a profit from it?
Raul, do you use your mind at all when you're doing this "thinking" of which you speak?
Raul, tell me what is wrong with me saying, God will listen to you and not me, so I'll pay you to pray for me because God listens to you and not me?
What is wrong with you saying "I accept payment and I will talk to God for you, because God listens to me and not you".
What is wrong with saying "this idol, when I ask it for help, my prayers are answered, because the idol goes before God and intercedes and God listens so I am healed?"
Tell me, Raul, what is wrong with all the people claiming Jesus, the icons and images of saints, the graves of saints, the individual living saints, or idols of any kind are part and have a "share" or some portion in having a person healed? Do you know how many Hindus claim such things about their idols? How many Christians? How many Sufi's about their saints?
Tell me what is wrong, if you are a Muslim at all, and if you are not a Muslim at all, tell me what is RIGHT about those things.
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Peace to all.
I have been following these posts for quite a while now. Been following drfazl's posts and his methods of treating patients through quran. Its very interesting and surprising to know people actually get cured without medicines or any surgeries. since the topic is now getting hotter day by day i thought i could make myself get clarified on some points.
Lets assume that if a person is suffering from coronary heart disease and he needs a bypass surgery. He doesnt want to be operated upon as the person is afraid of open heart surgery and he knows the side effects of it and he searches options other than surgery for his cure from this illness. He comes to know about drfazl's way of treatment and he sees him. 'IF' he gets cured of his problem ,wouldnt that be a miracle cure for him and allah has shown the righteous path for him?. What will he be thinking? He is saved from a open heart surgery and its morbidity. And he's also saved from endless,huge medical expenses which he has to afford all the rest of his life. I hope u guys know the cost of a bypass surgery in your respective countries. Its not cheap. Comes close to 5000 USD for the surgery alone and the medical expenses for him all his life is about 10 times that. So he just spends 2000 USD for his treatment and by allah's grace he is getting cured. Thats a cost you would anyhow give because its your life which is at stake. Whats the point then in pinpointing his fees alone? The final result is you enter allah's grace and for the rest of his life he is surrendered and submissive to allah and seek allah for all his needs.
2- Viceversa in allopathy, if the same person gets this surgery done and he is informed cured by the doctor who has operated upon him, wont the patient associate the doctor to a god? Isnt that open shirk? and above that i have seen so many people getting multiple bypass surgeries done due to failure of the graft. So what the doctor promised of his cure is a BLATANT LIE. Will this be the work of god? Seriously? I mean will this increase my belief in allah in anyway? If i truly believe in allah then allah shall show me the way to further increase my belief in him,which is what drfazl seems to be doing. This is (allopathic system) contradictory to what is in the quran.
These are few of the questions and thoughts in my mind. Wanted to share it with you all. Peace.
So , the patient has to pay 2000$ after he is cured of his heart disease without being done heart surgery or before cure when he meets drfazl?
No body associate the doctor to a god except few ignorant illiterates. Usually people pray to god even before and during surgery. These people does not rely only on doctors , let alone make shirk. They know that if Allah wills (except aetheists may be), only then the operation will be successful. So many patients die during and after surgery. Doctors also know that. Doctors are merely a tool. -
Why is there a 2000USD fee (on the poor people of Tamilnadu) for praying to Allah?
The doctor is performing a service, drfazl is not doing anything but praying to Allah.
If a doctor gets money and if the patient dies or if any disabling morbidity occurs to the patient, you call that a service? isnt that a gamble?
you pay hell a lot of money for chance/gamble.
If a believer truly believes in cure through prayer to allah alone(and if he gets the cure) and not associating the doctor with allah, isnt that is what called a true connection with god? Isnt that a service to the entire humanity.?"drfazl's prayer works, while my prayer doesn't work" that is definitely making drfazl an intercessor with Allah "Allah listens to drfazl, but doesn't listen to me".
Do you think drfazl is the only one whose prayer works? And i havent come across such a proclamation from his posts. Allah accepts a sincere prayer from whomsoever he is pleased with. So if a person prays and if its not accepted by allah, then it means allah is not pleased with his doings nor with his ways of praying. In that case he has to be guided towards proper way of praying the almighty to relieve of his sins,thereby his ilnesses. While typing these lines it struck me that it(the fees) can be called as an offering out of respect for his works in the path of the almighty. This is not intercession but its a guide to set right whats wrong in the ways of your prayer.
It is a grave sin to say "Allah is not the creator of everything absolutely", that is true shirk.
Coming to your line of thought,,,Do you pray?And if so what do you pray for?For peace ultimately right? If according to you,god is the creator of 'everything',then why would you pray for peace?...He created a situation for you,a problem,why do you want to come out of it?Then doesnt it imply that god wants himself not to be sought after.? Why should a god exist then?. In a simple plain proverbial way,"You reap what you sow". Basic. Is your concept is of any use to anybody? Prayers dont work because of such wrong concepts.
If you watch closely such misconceptions/misconcepts occur in societies.They start doing/preaching what they think is right.It goes the same for praying allah through quran to get cured/healed. They had to be 'taught' the ways to pray the almighty through only quran. Once they start living in the beautiful blessings of the almighty,they can start guiding others in the path of allah. -
pls ref my answer to mmkhan
Reply #791 ?
For me, that post shows further proof that you and drfazl are indeed untrustworthy.
I think if we truly listen to the messages of the Qur'an, then it's quite clear that drfazl and you (if you're indeed his accomplice) have committed fraud,
and I call it "Tipuan Murahan" in my language.
Btw, I wonder whether it is possible for the members to know "dummy accounts" - whether those are fake accounts?
If that is something important, maybe we should know which ones?
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9.103 Take of their wealth a freewill offering, to purify them and to cleanse them thereby, and pray for them; thy prayers are a comfort for them; God is All-hearing, All-knowing.
Is there any one who cares for this ayat? Who wants to interpret it? Of course the demon cannot. Any one else?