If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.
whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.
now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.
he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.
please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.
they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.
when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.
he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.
Where is your trust in Allah to provide you, that you support the asking of 2000USD from people or ANY PAYMENT WHATSOEVER for "prayers" and religious teaching?
This is a grave sin, and those who support it are also among the sinners, so flee from the support of drfazl if you know what is best and can do it.
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when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.
whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.
now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.
he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.
please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.
they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.
when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.
he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.
now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient
Wow, so the criminal only provides 2 minutes for 2000USD for "praying"?
You are truly an admirer of an evildoer if you support this criminality.
DrGm, you don't seem as evil as him, so stop supporting him, you must leave this madness and abide closely to what I am showing you and saying, otherwise you may be cast into the fire along with him as a "follower" and because he promotes shirk by saying "Allah did not create all things". Cease and desist, this isn't a game.
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If one looks into Quran Allah says spend, spend, and spend in the path of Allah; if you have a disease it is because there is a disease in the soul of your heart 2/10; and he increases the diseases in multiples form it because of the rejection of Allah and resorting to spend for the cure from the doctors whom they think can cure what Allah made them suffer. This is pure shirky heart; and Allah increases their diseases further and further until they become a bundle of diseases dying finally at the mercy of the doctors through 'Euthanesia', the final treatment of the advanced science. Here the demon favours this spending of the money, in the cause of the doctors.
Now Allah says, 9.103 it is pertinent to make the ill and afflicted to take to spending in Allah's way instead of doctors' ways, trying to outstrip the realm of Allah.
Demons cannot touch the Quran; I challenge again, is the demon ready for the discussion on 9/103?
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So, the prayer can be sold?
when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.
*facepalm
Why not he insisted to them for not paying him?
Or why he still concerned with "the rest (of the money)"?
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If one looks into Quran Allah says spend, spend, and spend in the path of Allah; if you have a disease it is because there is a disease in the soul of your heart 2/10; and he increases the diseases in multiples form it because of the rejection of Allah and resorting to spend for the cure from the doctors whom they think can cure what Allah made them suffer. This is pure shirky heart; and Allah increases their diseases further and further until they become a bundle of diseases dying finally at the mercy of the doctors through 'Euthanesia', the final treatment of the advanced science. Here the demon favours this spending of the money, in the cause of the doctors.
Now Allah says, 9.103 it is pertinent to make the ill and afflicted to take to spending in Allah's way instead of doctors' ways, trying to outstrip the realm of Allah.
Demons cannot touch the Quran; I challenge again, is the demon ready for the discussion on 9/103?
"Spend spend spend" to "fill fill fill" the pockets of drfazl.
The demon is ready!
So it is "pure shirky heart" to say "Allah alone is the only power, creator of all things, do not defraud the poor, those who are sick, those who are in need, and ask no fee for "religious matters" or "praying" or spending "2 minutes" or anything like that, and do not say there are other creators besides Allah and that Allah has not created all things but only some things, and not all things surrender to Allah willingly or unwillingly but only some things, and some things Allah controls while other things Allah doesn't control and there are other determiners, choosers, and controllers".
That is "pure shirky heart"?
The demon of Allah is ready!
Who will be a demon with me in the cause of Allah?
Who will fight with me against the criminality of drfazl, who robs and defrauds the poor, takes 2000USD for "prayers" and the work of Allah? He does not "loan a good loan" but instead defrauds the people, taking money for "prayers" and teaches a disease stricken people "do not fight disease" and then says if they die "they did not have faith" because he is a Zalim and a sinner of extraordinary levels for all to witness.
Will you all let me have all the honor in fighting injustice and reciting the praises of Allah against the shirk of the criminal who robs the poor and sick and need, even spending so little time with them after they have paid so much, and then says "Allah is not the creator of all things" in exchange for his enormous fee.
So be it, if no other demons will stand up with me, the honor shall be mine in roasting this pig fattened with sin and the wealth of those crying out for relief.
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I think, if you make the concoction of herbal tea and selling that product,
then such job is much better and honorable than selling the prayers.
Good, but not good enough. Remember how harsh you have been to me when I'm actually speaking righteousness. Now make yourself bolder and fight him vehemently as he deserves to be fought, because his sins are ENORMOUS.
He robs the poor, the needy, the sick, the people who have no money whose economy is so bad and the wealth is so low there, and he takes from them in their time of need 2000USD in exchange for "2 minutes" or so for "2000USD" for "prayers" where ALLAH does the work, and he is taking the money, and then in exchange for that "teaches" them that "Allah is not the creator of everything" and to a disease stuck community says "do not fight disease" and if they die he says "they did not have sufficient faith in Allah, or else they would not have died" and opposes the statements that "Allah is the one who creates everything, the Ultimate, the chooser" and ignores the revelations.
Do you think being gentle with him is allowed? Being gentle with him is a sin and a crime, you must FIGHT INJUSTICE, this is an opportunity to fight evil, Allah has set him up and the righteous might speak out against him at least.
FIGHT HIM HARD. Turn all your hatred for injustice, the harming of the poor, and whatever else on him and FIGHT HIM WITH WORDS OF JUSTICE AND TRUTH.
If you do not have the Hatred, you are not a good Muslim in your heart. If you dislike me instead, you are on the wrong path for sure.
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And know that God?s Apostle is among you were he to comply with your inclinations in each and every case, you would be bound to come to harm . But as it is, God has caused faith to be dear to you, and has given it beauty in your hearts, and has made hateful to you all denial of the truth, and all iniquity, and all rebellion. Such indeed are they who follow the right course -
Good, but not good enough. Remember how harsh you have been to me when I'm actually speaking righteousness. Now make yourself bolder and fight him vehemently as he deserves to be fought, because his sins are ENORMOUS.
I think I shouldn't be too harsh toward the elderly.
If you do not have the Hatred, you are not a good Muslim in your heart. If you dislike me instead, you are on the wrong path for sure.
) elektro
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Where is your trust in Allah to provide you, that you support the asking of 2000USD from people or ANY PAYMENT WHATSOEVER for "prayers" and religious teaching?
This is a grave sin, and those who support it are also among the sinners, so flee from the support of drfazl if you know what is best and can do it.
can you support me with quran for the above. moreover you have not read the answers by drfazl to AW (reply 743). it clears your question.
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I think I shouldn't be too harsh toward the elderly.
elektro
Pharoah was an old man too.
This guy is really bad, he is taking advantage of poor sick people in the name of Allah spreading shirk and disease simultaneously for an enormous fee.
I feel bad that he is an old man too a little bit, but when one brings to mind what this old snake is doing to this day, these are not past crimes but current crimes, it is like a snake, albeit an old snake, devouring children to this day, the old fat snake filled with the wealth of the poor needs to be stopped.
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can you support me with quran for the above. moreover you have not read the answers by drfazl to AW (reply 743). it clears your question.
Have you read all that I've written to drfazl recently? You can't deny what he is doing, and you can't deny the Qur'an. By "can't" I mean you shouldn't, but clearly you are denying both and ignoring it.
This is no joke man, what he is doing is criminal. Someone should call the cops and have him charged with fraud for what he is doing.
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Wow, so the criminal only provides 2 minutes for 2000USD for "praying"?
You are truly an admirer of an evildoer if you support this criminality.
DrGm, you don't seem as evil as him, so stop supporting him, you must leave this madness and abide closely to what I am showing you and saying, otherwise you may be cast into the fire along with him as a "follower" and because he promotes shirk by saying "Allah did not create all things". Cease and desist, this isn't a game.
now anyone can understand your jealous. this jealous brings you haste and it shows how you read. you are accusing based on assuming. when my postings say drfazl was doing acupuncture and his time with the patient is 2 mins then. you have assumed below your nose and started accusing. that was not prayer healing. have patience, think for a while what you are doing.
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now anyone can understand your jealous. this jealous brings you haste and it shows how you read. you are accusing based on assuming. when my postings say drfazl was doing acupuncture and his time with the patient is 2 mins then. you have assumed below your nose and started accusing. that was not prayer healing. have patience, think for a while what you are doing.
I promise you I am not jealous. I will tell you why I'm not jealous. To me it is dreadful to do what he is doing and say what he is saying. When a person is jealous typically, by definition, they WANT what the other has. I would RUN HEADLONG from his lifestyle, because to me it is CERTAIN DOOM to accept money for prayers. The doom for that is tremendous as far as I believe, it is not a joke at all. I am not at all covetous of his lifestyle. To acquire money in this way, for religious teaching and prayer, is a huge sin in my view. I refused even to accept money to be the friends of people and to give them counsel and did not like the idea of psychology because how can you take money for just sitting with people and listening to them and being their friend? I do that for free.
No, this man is a sinner, and I do not desire what he does or what he has, because that to me would be desiring hell-fire.
I don't know if Allah will throw him in hell or not, but in my view he is worthy of hell for sure and because I seriously believe that, I would NEVER want to do what he is doing. I am genuinely afraid of asking for money for such things. I don't think it is wrong to work at labor for money, but I do believe it is very wrong to take money for "prayers" or religious teaching. I think people should get their money in some other way and then do religious teaching for free, except what he teaches religiously is also sin and shirk, so he is bad all around.
This is no joke, you shouldn't be ok with what he is doing either, it is not ok.
It would be a little less bad seeming if he asked no fee and did everything for free, never accepting money from people at all.
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now anyone can understand your jealous. this jealous brings you haste and it shows how you read. you are accusing based on assuming. when my postings say drfazl was doing acupuncture and his time with the patient is 2 mins then. you have assumed below your nose and started accusing. that was not prayer healing. have patience, think for a while what you are doing.
So now he spends less than 2 minutes to "pray" for people and takes 2000USD from the poor, sick, and needy? Is that the correction? My apologies if I said that he spends any time with people worthy of 2000USD.
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Pharoah was an old man too.
This guy is really bad, he is taking advantage of poor sick people in the name of Allah spreading shirk and disease simultaneously for an enormous fee.
I feel bad that he is an old man too a little bit, but when one brings to mind what this old snake is doing to this day, these are not past crimes but current crimes, it is like a snake, albeit an old snake, devouring children to this day, the old fat snake filled with the wealth of the poor needs to be stopped.
Pharaoh?
Maybe your accusation toward dr fazl is exaggerated? I don't think that he can be equated with pharaoh.
Honestly, I might gladly let (or even maybe support) drfazl to keep doing his practice - praying for healing - if he is doing it for free for any good* people, either they're poor or rich.
*yes, good people, not bad/evil people, because I don't mind if evil people like rapists are dead because of illness
And IF, drfazl is living in poverty, then I think it is okay if he receives charity/alms from other people, but the charity given to him is because he's poor, not because of the prayers he did for them.
But people who are not living in poverty should not receive alms, in my opinion.
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So, the prayer can be sold?
*facepalm
Why not he insisted to them for not paying him?
Or why he still concerned with "the rest (of the money)"?
what is that *facepalm. i do not understand.
did you read my post fully. that which brought your attention is only the payment part. think for a while no need to tell me. why your attention went only into that? there was other things which you have not come across in your life probably. no bad intention pls.
did i say he is concerned with the rest of the money? drfazl insists that they fear Allah, so he do not keep account of it. also he do not know whether the patient is lying that they have not enough money. if at all they pay they pay only to fulfill their word. like many here who want to get cure by prayers but wish need not pay for their cure; there are many in Tamilnadu also.
do you really think you can sell prayers? everyone pray here, can anyone show a sign of healing? and can you sell it? will anyone believe? all questions you have no answers. this is a sign from Allah to His servant. will you then understand?
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So, the prayer can be sold?
*facepalm
Why not he insisted to them for not paying him?
Or why he still concerned with "the rest (of the money)"?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373363#msg373363
This would be SO funny if it were not for actual human victims involved! That is what makes such a ridiculous thing so tragic and horrible that there is a person doing this to living human beings.
Living, but for how long?!
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Pharaoh?
Maybe your accusation toward dr fazl is exaggerated? I don't think that he can be equated with pharaoh.
Honestly, I might gladly let (or even maybe support) drfazl to keep doing his practice - praying for healing - if he is doing it for free for any good* people, either they're poor or rich.
*yes, good people, not bad/evil people, because I don't mind if evil people like rapists are dead because of illness
And IF, drfazl is living in poverty, then I think it is okay if he receives charity/alms from other people, but the charity given to him is because he's poor, not because of the prayers he did for them.
But people who are not living in poverty should not receive alms, in my opinion.
drfazl may be worse than Pharoah, though Pharoah was an evildoer who killed people, drfazl tells people to allow disease to spread and robs them while doing it, indirectly killing them by promoting the spread of disease while taking huge sums of money for "praying". A person who receives 2000USD per sessions and has a big following of people is not in poverty for long!
Pharoah did not say to his people "allow disease to spread among yourself", and before he died Pharoah admitted to God, though it was too late.
drfazl on the other hand, is denying that Allah is the creator of all things, which is shirk, he is using this shirk as his excuse to tell a poverty and sickness struck people "therefor do not fight disease" and may be genuinely leading to much damage and death in the populace that listens to him and refuses medical help out of feeling that it is "shirk" based on what he claims "Allah did not create everything, for example, Allah did not create medical technologies or medicines, so you should not fight disease or else you are performing shirk" and misleading people.
So don't be on the wrong side of the fence (as usual!). Do not support him at all, even if it were for free and not charging an enormous sum, he is still performing shirk by denying that Allah is the creator of everything absolutely, and he is still harming the populace by saying to them "do not fight disease". This is not someone to support unless you want to be counted among the unjust.
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what is that *facepalm. i do not understand.
did you read my post fully. that which brought your attention is only the payment part. think for a while no need to tell me. why your attention went only into that? there was other things which you have not come across in your life probably. no bad intention pls.
did i say he is concerned with the rest of the money? drfazl insists that they fear Allah, so he do not keep account of it. also he do not know whether the patient is lying that they have not enough money. if at all they pay they pay only to fulfill their word. like many here who want to get cure by prayers but wish need not pay for their cure; there are many in Tamilnadu also.
do you really think you can sell prayers? everyone pray here, can anyone show a sign of healing? and can you sell it? will anyone believe? all questions you have no answers. this is a sign from Allah to His servant. will you then understand?
Just so you know, *facepalm means "putting my palm to my face" or "putting my face into my palm", like "sigh! I give up! this is ridiculous!" and things like that. The * symbol signifies an action being taken, such as catches drfazl by his snake tail and bashes him against every wall for robbing the poor the sound is percussive, like money clattering
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I think, if you make the concoction of herbal tea and selling that product,
then such job is much better and honorable than selling the prayers.
you are equating prayers of a God alone servant to selling a tea? and then lowering the prayer.
61.10 - O! ye who believe, shall i inform you to a business that will save you from painful disgrace?
prayer healing is a business with God alone.