If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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Hadith of Allah & Hadith of Buhari
Which is true and which is satanic? What do we understand by the following ayat?
- God - save whom there is no deity - will surely gather you all together on the Day of Resurrection. Which is beyond all doubt? And whose Hadith could be truer than God's?
Only if we discard Buhari's Hadiths as comprising of doubts, mischiefs and falsehood, there is no way a word of Quran could be understood in the right direction. If we are to read Quran, we have to seek from Allah the revelation of what every ayat, words mean pertaining to each of our situation at any given point of time. Quran is not Arabic language. Quran is Wahi given in Arabic syllables. Such as Alif, Laam, Meem, Raa, Noon, Kaf, Ha, Ya, Ain, Saad etc. every syllable of Quran has meanings which Allah alone could reveal and teach. But we believe in Arabic language and derive the mundane meanings as Allah's revelation. This amounts to pride and prejudice. It is surely a manner of association to Allah's Hadiths.
If we are humble before Allah and wait in patience to totally surrender to the Revelation of His Hadiths, then we shall be elevated with Revelation as and when it reaches us as Wahi. Only now 411 is easy to get at.
drfazl
7750 Then in what Hadidths after this (the Hadidth of Allah - Quran) will they believe?
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Which is true and which is satanic? What do we understand by the following ayat?
- God - save whom there is no deity - will surely gather you all together on the Day of Resurrection. Which is beyond all doubt? And whose Hadith could be truer than God's?
Only if we discard Buhari's Hadiths as comprising of doubts, mischiefs and falsehood, there is no way a word of Quran could be understood in the right direction. If we are to read Quran, we have to seek from Allah the revelation of what every ayat, words mean pertaining to each of our situation at any given point of time. Quran is not Arabic language. Quran is Wahi given in Arabic syllables. Such as Alif, Laam, Meem, Raa, Noon, Kaf, Ha, Ya, Ain, Saad etc. every syllable of Quran has meanings which Allah alone could reveal and teach. But we believe in Arabic language and derive the mundane meanings as Allah's revelation. This amounts to pride and prejudice. It is surely a manner of association to Allah's Hadiths.
If we are humble before Allah and wait in patience to totally surrender to the Revelation of His Hadiths, then we shall be elevated with Revelation as and when it reaches us as Wahi. Only now 411 is easy to get at.
drfazl
Quran Only (22) This the Book
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On that day those who reject Faith and disobey the messenger will wish that the earth Were made one with them But never will they hide which single Hadith from Allah!7185
Have they not considered the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and what things Allah hath created, and that it may be that their own term draweth nigh? In what Hadidth (Other Than Hadidth of Allah ) after this will they believe?5234
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Peace
Welcome to this forum johnson )
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Peace noon,
47 to 410 is the prelude before entering 411. Please read post 137. http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg333602#msg333602
And 48 needs special mention. Msg# 145
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg333637#msg333637Where is the question of assigning responsibility to the weak offsprings? Wherefrom in 411 you got this?
It is the duty of all the near relations to come together to settle the debts and fulfil the Will of the deceased, in whatever and every means possible. Then you shall sit together and take account of the necessary financial assistance on daily or monthly basis and pour in your contributions as per shares prescribed. And wealthy among you can give more for Allah's sake, and among them who have not much finance to support there is no blame on them if they can only contribute less. Allah is sufficient as Reckoner. Even the distant relations and all those who wish to take part and spend in Allah's case however poor they are, they shall be given permission to do so. "Those who spend benevolently in ease as well as in straitness, and Allah loves the doers of good to others."
411 says regarding those poor families with little children whose deceased father was earning every day for their livelihood and their livelihood is straitened with the debts in addition. Wherefrom you got 72 gold coins? This imaginary case has no standing here. They have nothing left with them like what you say according to 411.
drfazl
Inheritance or Responsiblity
My sons after graduating from medical college , they are running an outpatient clinic in my city. Yesterday my son was discussing with my daughter in law who is also a doctor about a hospital nursing staff. I enquired about it , this is about my nursing staff , Mrs.Daisy 50 yr old, working in our hospital for the past 15 years. My son said that she was crying whenever she was alone, unable to concentrate on her job, she is very much disturbed and very sad. He came to know that she is having lots of debts and unable to pay the money.
Actually i didnot know about her personal and family life after the demise of her husband last year. Many times i tried to convince her not to worry about the loss of her husband and beyond that i did not know about her life. But today i wanted to enquire about her and family situation, so i called her over phone. I asked her , " how are you managing your family". She is having a bachelor son who joined a private company afetr the completion of school education. He was working in a nearby city. Her daughter finished engineering graduation and joined as an assistant prof in a college and got married. It all happened when her husband was alive. Now her daughter also wasnt living with her. Her husband who was a tailor used to earn 500-600 rupees per day had heart attack 2 years before, for which her husband was admitted in a hospital. She spent 55000rupees for hospital stay and 30000rupees for medicines. After the discharge they did angiogram for which she spent 30000 rupees. So nearly she borrowed 400,000 rupees while her husband was alive. Suddenly her husband died last year.
She was able to pay the interest money when her husband was alive. After his demise she couldnt pay the interest money with what she earned. She is having brothers, sisters and lot of relatives. She says all the relatives after her husband's death didnot turn up to take responsibility or atleast reduce the burden of my debt. So im praying all the time at my home. Im unable to answer the money lenders who is coming to my house daily. I couldnt sleep easily, my son or daughter is not here. Im unable to control my emotions. Im believing in god and only he has to help me to come out of the crisis. My only daughter is not at all coming to my house to see me, i helped a lot for her education and marriage. None of my brothers or sisters turned up to visit me after my husband's death. Even my younger sister who is living close to my house doesnt come to see me.
I told her, " You had great regards for your near and distant relatives. Now see what happened when you are grieving and in debt. Nobody is there to help you out. So now you believe in god alone. Dont depend on your relatives. Dont have any doubt on god's grace ". She has got money from us too and for that we were deducting 1000 Rs per month from her salary. I told her hereafter we wont deduct that money. That much help i can do for you.
Actually after reading dr.fazl's posting in about inheritance and responsibility in the family of deceased , i realised that i should contact that staff and enquire her status. Thank allah for conveying this good message through dr.fazl.
Dr.R.Kanagasabapathy
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dr.rks
Since you followed 411 in its prestine sense and essence, Allah had guided you till the end of your life. Allah shall not waste a bit even, of what they had understood from any ayat of Quran. Sister Daisy has been your hospital staff since 15 years and you have become one with her as her brethren. Until you came to know of 411 you were deducting 1000 rupee from her salary but having come to know how you should treat an orphan immediately you waived the deduction. If everybody follows 411 in this manner there cannot be orphans. The following is the ayat to which Allah had guided you and He would guide you till the end of your life and its fruits would reach far and wide, till the end of the world. Clearly Buhari and co were the mischief makers to destroy such great guidance to mankind concerning orphans.
- They ask thee concerning orphans, Say till the end "The best thing to do is what is for their good; if ye mix their affairs with yours, they are your brethren; but Allah knows the man who means mischief from the man who means good. And if Allah had wished, He could have put you into difficulties He is indeed Exalted in Power, Wise."
drfazl
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Inheritance or Responsiblity
I told her, " You had great regards for your near and distant relatives. Now see what happened when you are grieving and in debt. Nobody is there to help you out. So now you believe in god alone. Dont depend on your relatives. Dont have any doubt on god's grace ". She has got money from us too and for that we were deducting 1000 Rs per month from her salary. I told her hereafter we wont deduct that money. That much help i can do for you.
Actually after reading dr.fazl's posting in about inheritance and responsibility in the family of deceased , i realised that i should contact that staff and enquire her status. Thank allah for conveying this good message through dr.fazl.
Dr.R.Kanagasabapathy
Peace Dr.R.Kanagasabapathy -- it's great that you helped out although has nothing to do with inheritance 411
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Peace drfazl, was tied up and still traveling although wanted to reply...
46 is not to be applied here for the ayat is concerning the orphans who have no relatives at all; or in other words abandoned by the relatives because of such misinterpretation of 411.
411 is not concerning with orphans but either of the parents and all the near and far relatives are bonded together. If you follow this ayat, there cannot be orphans at all. The ayat is all about the indebted family as the earning member, male dies. The relations of the husband play major role in streamlining the family affairs. Their first duty is to pay debts.
No, verse 46 ties to 411 which you are not reading in context are concerning children orphans and non-orphans. Your translation of luck/fortune/share as "responsibilities" makes no sense...
An Arabic-English Lexicon By Edward William Lane
, sec. pers. , (S, K,) aor. , (S,) inf. n. , (K,) He was, or became, fortunate, or possessed of good fortune...
Fortune; or particularly good fortune; syn. (S, Nh, Msb, K) and (Nh and a share, portion, or lot (S, Msb, K or particularly a share, portion, or lot, of something good or excellent...3176 ... that not he make for them share of (responsibilities?) in the afterlife and for them punishment mighty
410 surely the ones eating wealth the orphans injustice of only eating in bellies theirs fire of and will be burning a blaze
411 directs you the god in children yours lildhakari/to the male likeness share al-unthayayni/the two (f) so if kunna/are (f/p) nisan/women above two (f) falahunna/so for them (f/p) thulutha/third dual (2/3) what left and if kanat/she is whidatan/one (f/s) so for her the half ...2879... said the ones desiring the life the world O would that for us like what was given Qrnu surely he owner luck/fortune/share/portion (responsibilities?) mighty
What were they envious above -- his responsibilities?
Make it clear a family in debt has no property. They are to be sold or to be mortgaged to settle debts. In addition they are to be helped by the near ones. The family members such as spouse, sons and daughters are very young and financially weak and they have no role. But father, mother, brothers, sisters of the deceased do have a role.
Unless you get this there is no seeing each other eye to eye, for fruitful discussion.
I am not ambiguous in my take. I respect your take if your understanding is original, uncontaminated by Hadiths.
What you write is not in the book; inheritance left is distributed after will and debts settled.
OK let's see who is using hadith; perhaps tell us how much responsibilities these situations?A) father and brother?
B) mother and sister (1/6 or 1/2)?
C) 2 brothers and 4 sisters?412 ... from after a will made they in it or judgment
and if he is (m/s) a man inherited kalalah or im'ra-atun/lady
and to deceased a brother or a sister so to each one from them both the sixth
so if were they greater from that so they partners in the third
from after a will is recommended in it or judgment...4176 they seek ruling yours say the god gives a ruling you in al-kalalah
if person perished is not to deceased walad/born (if no child)
and to deceased a sister so for her half what left
and he inherits it if not was for her walad/born (if no child)
so if kanata/were (f) two (f) so to them both the third dual (2/3) from what left
and if were they ikh'watun/siblings rijlan/men wanisan/and women
falildhakari/so to the male like share/fortune al-unthayayni/the two (f) -
Peace Dr.R.Kanagasabapathy -- it's great that you helped out although has nothing to do with inheritance 411
Peace noon
After reading and understanding the verse 411 it inspired me to do the help to my staff. But you are saying me it has nothing to do with 411. So what else you think inspired me other than 411? -
Peace noon
After reading and understanding the verse 411 it inspired me to do the help to my staff. But you are saying me it has nothing to do with 411. So what else you think inspired me other than 411?Peace dr.rks -- what inspires you is up to you and what inspires others to spend is throughout the book...
21 alif lam meem
22 that the book not doubt in it guidance for the righteous
23 the ones believing in the unseen and establishing the prayer and from what provide we them are spending
24 and the ones believing in what descended to you and what descended from before you and in the afterlife they are assuring
25 surely those on guidance from lord theirs and surely those they the successful -
Peace Dr.R.Kanagasabapathy -- it's great that you helped out although has nothing to do with inheritance 411
peace,
603 Neither your relatives nor your children will benefit you;
because they will come to you only to take away from you. they will not follow 411 unless Allah wills.
875 and after, those who believed, left their homes and strive with you in the straight path, are among you; and as per Allah's commandment they are your relatives. one is nearer to the other - surely Allah is Knower of all things.
i believe dr.rks surely found the staff one among him. not only because he helped her but directed her towards God alone.
peace
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Peace drfazl, was tied up and still traveling although wanted to reply...
No, verse 46 ties to 411 which you are not reading in context are concerning children orphans and non-orphans. Your translation of luck/fortune/share as "responsibilities" makes no sense...
Peace noon,
46 is concerned with the rich orphan children's wealth and the properties kept under a guardianship who should act as a trustee. The whole ayat is delivered to the trustee as to how he should behave with the responsibilities given to him. From such rich orphan's no relative far or near can take a single penny. They shall never be distributed.
But in
- It is about not letting an orphan develop particularly when an earning family member male, dies leaving behind his wife, weak children and debts. They have nothing to inherit; on the other hand they need help from the relatives all around near or distant. Contributions shall pour in; no distribution for there is nothing to distribute.
I want to know how do you see link between 'rich-to-be-orphans' and 'poor-to-be-orphans'? If you had seen a link you would have distributed the money and again nothing will be left with the trustee.
drfazl
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Peace dr.rks -- what inspires you is up to you and what inspires others to spend is throughout the book...
21 alif lam meem
22 that the book not doubt in it guidance for the righteous
23 the ones believing in the unseen and establishing the prayer and from what provide we them are spending
24 and the ones believing in what descended to you and what descended from before you and in the afterlife they are assuring
25 surely those on guidance from lord theirs and surely those they the successfulPeace Noon waalqalami
Now you accepted that the verses 411 is meant towards spending to others and all throughout the quran all the ayats favours spending for others which also you seem to accept. None of the ayats tells you to take possession from others. But you tell 411 is only for inheritance rather. As you know in quran one ayat never contradicts the other but only contributing. -
603 Neither your relatives nor your children will benefit you;
because they will come to you only to take away from you. they will not follow 411 unless Allah wills.
875 and after, those who believed, left their homes and strive with you in the straight path, are among you; and as per Allah's commandment they are your relatives. one is nearer to the other - surely Allah is Knower of all things.
i believe dr.rks surely found the staff one among him. not only because he helped her but directed her towards God alone.
Peace -- and your point is exactly what pertaining to 411, not about distributing inheritance to ones children?
4 11 directs you the god in children yours ...
46 is concerned with the rich orphan children's wealth and the properties kept under a guardianship who should act as a trustee. The whole ayat is delivered to the trustee as to how he should behave with the responsibilities given to him. From such rich orphan's no relative far or near can take a single penny. They shall never be distributed.
But in
- It is about not letting an orphan develop particularly when an earning family member male, dies leaving behind his wife, weak children and debts. They have nothing to inherit; on the other hand they need help from the relatives all around near or distant. Contributions shall pour in; no distribution for there is nothing to distribute.
I want to know how do you see link between 'rich-to-be-orphans' and 'poor-to-be-orphans'? If you had seen a link you would have distributed the money and again nothing will be left with the trustee.
Peace drfazl,
Where do you read rich-poor stuff and where exactly is poverty line how much wealth?
It says exactly what it says and is explicitly directed to ones children firstly -- is it not?411 directs you the god in children yours
lildhakari/to the male like share al-unthayayni/the two (f. dual)
so if are nisan/women above two so for them (f/p) third dual (2/3) what left
and if kanat/she is widatan/one (f/s) so for her the half ...Likewise, please distribute "responsibilities" as requested earlier and state which verses to use?
A) father and brother?
B) mother and sister (1/6 or 1/2)?
C) 2 brothers and 4 sisters?Now you accepted that the verses 411 is meant towards spending to others...
and all throughout the quran all the ayats favours spending for others which also you seem to accept. None of the ayats tells you to take possession from others. But you tell 411 is only for inheritance rather. As you know in quran one ayat never contradicts the other but only contributing.
Peace dr.rks -- where I accept 411 is meant towards spending to others?
411 is explicitly directed towards ones children then toward ones parents.
Prescribed to write a will and if no will or partial will use inheritance verses.2180 prescribed for you when comes any of you the death if left best of the will to the parents both and the near relatives in the fair manner truthful on the righteous
411 ... from after a will have made in it or judgment fathers yours and children yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god he is knowledge of wisdom of
Peace
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Peace -- and your point is exactly what pertaining to 411, not about distributing inheritance to ones children?
peace,
1882 "As for the wall, it belonged to two orphaned boys in the city, and underneath it was a treasure for them, and their father was a good man, so your Lord wanted that they would reach their maturity and take out their treasure as a mercy from your Lord.
here too, Allah's bondmen only gave his share of responsibility to the orphans.
we should keep in mind God does not say conflicting things. His words will not split humans into sects. His words will give only good tidings.
human interpretations only create sects / conflicts resulting bad happenings. in other words those who reject God take the meaning that benefits them materially. these meanings are beneficial only to a group of like-minded men, not to all mankind. no soul ever can reject God's words. rejects, only to its ruin.
411 the interpretation you have taken/made brings conflict. everyman / organisation / country get into conflict because of this interpretation i.e. take my share of property. whereas take my share of responsibility is a revelation from God to mankind. i am like everyone eager to know from you if there is any ayat that say take it. give it / spend is all in Quran.
revelation will be accepted only by men/women who fear God. this happened in all ages. righteous men guided by consciousness / God's words knows this brings peace / unity.
1=1 is correct, whereas 1=>1 is generous / giving (will unite us).
1=1 make us maths/scientific/machines. but, 1=>1 this generous in behaviour to mankind is possible only if we take Allah's guidance. this generous is beyond maths because it has no limits and is unique in context to context, man to man.
Allah's commandment cannot be done by us. if we accept His commandment only then He make us to live by it.
peace
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411 the interpretation you have taken/made brings conflict. everyman / organisation / country get into conflict because of this interpretation i.e. take my share of property. whereas take my share of responsibility is a revelation from God to mankind. i am like everyone eager to know from you if there is any ayat that say take it. give it / spend is all in Quran.
Peace,
Again, what exactly are talking about? What conflict? What responsibility? What book are you reading?
Again, your translation of luck/fortune/share as "responsibilities" makes no sense.An Arabic-English Lexicon By Edward William Lane
, sec. pers. , (S, K,) aor. , (S,) inf. n. , (K,) He was, or became, fortunate, or possessed of good fortune...
Fortune; or particularly good fortune; syn. (S, Nh, Msb, K) and (Nh) and a share, portion, or lot (S, Msb, K) or particularly a share, portion, or lot, of something good or excellent...2879... said the ones desiring the life the world O would that for us like what was given Qrnu surely he owner luck/fortune/share/portion mighty
Again, what were they envious above; his responsibilities or his wealth?
Again, is not 411 directed toward one's children then towards parents?4 11 directs you the god in children yours ...
Again, what are you talking about and which words are you translating as what?
Again, answer the questions posted prior or if you don't know then simply say it?Example person dies leaves behind property (no will) who gets what exactly?
Likewise person dies leaves behind debt; who get how much responsibilities?1 daughter, brother/s
1 daughter, sister/s
1 daughter, sister/s, brother/s
2 daughter/s, brother/s
2 daughter/s, sister/s
2 daughter/s, sister/s, brother/s
3 daughter/s, brother/s
3 daughter/s, sister/s
3 daughter/s, sister/s, brother/s
daughter/s, son/s
daughter/s, son/s, brother
daughter/s, son/s, brothers
daughter/s, son/s, sister
daughter/s, son/s, sister/s, brother/s
daughter/s, son/s, sisters
father, daughter/s, son/s
father, husband, daughter/s, son/s
father, husband, son/s
father, husband/wife, 1 daughter
father, husband/wife, 2 daughter/s
father, husband/wife, 3 daughter/s
father, sibling/s
father, wife, daughter/s, son/s
father, wife, son/s
husband, daughter/s, son/s
husband, son/s
husband/wife 3 daughter/s
husband/wife, 1 daughter
husband/wife, 2 daughter/s
husband/wife, sibling/s
mother, 1 daughter, brother/s
mother, 1 daughter, sister/s
mother, 1 daughter, sister/s, brother/s
mother, 1 sister
mother, 2 daughter/s, brother/s
mother, 2 daughter/s, sister/s
mother, 2 daughter/s, sister/s, brother/s
mother, 2 sisters
mother, 3 daughter/s, brother/s
mother, 3 daughter/s, sister/s
mother, 3 daughter/s, sister/s, brother/s
mother, 3 sisters
mother, brother/s
mother, daughter/s, son/s, brother
mother, daughter/s, son/s, brothers
mother, daughter/s, son/s, sister
mother, daughter/s, son/s, sister/s, brother/s
mother, daughter/s, son/s, sisters
mother, father
mother, father, 1 daughter
mother, father, 2 daughter/s
mother, father, 3 daughter/s
mother, father, daughter/s, son/s
mother, father, husband
mother, father, husband, daughter/s, son/s
mother, father, husband, son/s
mother, father, husband/wife, 1 daughter
mother, father, husband/wife, 2 daughter/s
mother, father, husband/wife, 3 daughter/s
mother, father, husband/wife, 3 daughter/s
mother, father, son/s
mother, father, wife
mother, father, wife, daughter/s, son/s
mother, father, wife, son/s
mother, husband, daughter/s, son/s
mother, husband, son/s
mother, husband/wife, 1 daughter/s
mother, husband/wife, 2 daughter/s
mother, husband/wife, 3 daughter/s
mother, sister/s, brother/s
mother, son/s, brother
mother, son/s, brothers
mother, son/s, sister
mother, son/s, sister/s, brother/s
mother, son/s, sisters
mother, wife, daughter/s, son/s
mother, wife, son/s
mother/father, 1 daughter
mother/father, 2 daughter/s
mother/father, 3 daughter/s
mother/father, husband
mother/father, son/s
mother/father, wife
sister/s, brother/s
son/s, brother
son/s, brothers
son/s, sister
son/s, sister/s, brother/s
son/s, sistersEverything is explicitly and clearly given in 411, 412, and 4176 if one bothers to read carefully and study thoroughly not post random thoughts that pop into your heads which are no where stated in the book.
Peace
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Peace -- and your point is exactly what pertaining to 411, not about distributing inheritance to ones children?
4 11 directs you the god in children yours ...
Peace noon,
Children of yours - whose children Allah directs in 411? I believe it is directed at all the grown up males and females from among the near relations of the bereaved, for Allah shall not direct the weak offsprings of the deceased.
All duly grown up males and females are your children i.e, your progeny. Males will inherit the responsibilities twice as that of the females. This is the general rule and I am sticking to it. And in 412 Allah says while sharing your responsibilities take care not to cause losses to any one's own financial position.
In what your wives leave, your share is 1/2, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a 1/4; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is 1/4, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get 1/8; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets 1/6; but if more than two, they share in 1/3; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused to any one. Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.
If you take this into account, under such situation if a wealthy female could take the responsibility in addition to her own, there is no blame. Allah loves such actions. If another wealthy male relative comes forward to relieve the stress of the other relatives, it is not forbidden. Allah directs us not to be stingy while spending in the cause of Allah. Main thing here is not to leave the bereaved family dry and abandoned.
Do not you see this? What these ayats are all about? All shall take part in this with expanded heart in the cause of Allah. Then shares become only as an induction of your hearts into spending. From any angle I could see from Quran it is impossible to take away others wealth but to give and help as zakah- to give of your wealth to purify your souls - and sadaqa, - to give of your wealth to please Allah. It is absolutely impalpable to my senses as to how one could reach up to such explanations. Taking away the wealth is far from any Quranic context.
Noon Waalqalami, I appreciate your vast work in this shares, but in the end if it does not fit the purity of Quran and its purpose? Only with regard to the poor family Allah marks share of responsibilities as a means and measure towards zakah and sadaqa so that your life will not suffer in the end.
"Let those have the same fear in their minds as they would have for their own if they had left a helpless family behind Let them fear Allah, and speak words of appropriate.
drfazl
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Children of yours - whose children Allah directs in 411? I believe it is directed at all the grown up males and females from among the near relations of the bereaved, for Allah shall not direct the weak offsprings of the deceased.
All duly grown up males and females are your children i.e, your progeny. Males will inherit the responsibilities twice as that of the females. This is the general rule and I am sticking to it.
Peace drfazl,
- The word used is share (of inheritance) and not responsibility or debt
a) $1 or $100K or $900K according to you an only daughter pays half! - The verse is pertaining to your children drfazl and not others children
- The verse is pertaining to your parents drfazl and not others parents
And in 412 Allah says while sharing your responsibilities take care not to cause losses to any one's own financial position.
In what your wives leave, your share is 1/2, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a 1/4; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is 1/4, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get 1/8; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets 1/6; but if more than two, they share in 1/3; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused to any one. Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.
If you take this into account, under such situation if a wealthy female could take the responsibility in addition to her own, there is no blame. Allah loves such actions. If another wealthy male relative comes forward to relieve the stress of the other relatives, it is not forbidden. Allah directs us not to be stingy while spending in the cause of Allah. Main thing here is not to leave the bereaved family dry and abandoned.
"left neither ascendants nor descendants?" Where you get kalalah definition, hadith?
- Again, what you write are not stated in verse nor is responsibilities or debt in verse
- The verse is pertaining to what your spouse leaves you drfazl and not anyone else
- The verse is pertaining to what you leave your spouse drfazl and not anyone else
Do not you see this? What these ayats are all about? All shall take part in this with expanded heart in the cause of Allah. Then shares become only as an induction of your hearts into spending. From any angle I could see from Quran it is impossible to take away others wealth but to give and help as zakah- to give of your wealth to purify your souls - and sadaqa, - to give of your wealth to please Allah. It is absolutely impalpable to my senses as to how one could reach up to such explanations. Taking away the wealth is far from any Quranic context.
Noon Waalqalami, I appreciate your vast work in this shares, but in the end if it does not fit the purity of Quran and its purpose? Only with regard to the poor family Allah marks share of responsibilities as a means and measure towards zakah and sadaqa so that your life will not suffer in the end.
"Let those have the same fear in their minds as they would have for their own if they had left a helpless family behind Let them fear Allah, and speak words of appropriate.
See what exactly? What you write is nowhere stated in verses.
Perhaps you show us a simple example say which verse to use-
man perishes leaving only his parents, a wife, and 3 underage daughters (see 42-6)
a) the man left property $100k who gets how much?
b) the man left property $900k who gets how much? -
man perishes leaving only his parents, a wife, and 3 underage daughters
a) the man leaves a debt $100k who pays how much?
b) the man leaves a debt $900k who pays how much?
Everything that is needed as in above is clearly stated; read carefully in context...
41 O dear/you the humankind fear yeh lord yours the one created you from soul one and created from it zawjah/spouse its and dispersed from them both men much of and women and fear yeh the god the one you asking with it and the wombs (i.e. blood relations) surely the god he is over you watchful
42 and give yeh the orphans wealth theirs and not exchange the bad with the good and not thou eat/consume yeh wealth theirs to wealth yours surely it it is sin great of
43 and if fear you that not do justice yeh in/concerning the orphans so marry yeh what lawful (of age, agree, etc.) for you from the women paired/twos and three and group of four so if fear you that not do justice yeh so one or what possess thou right hands/oaths/commitments (use context, those offered shelter/protection) yours that minimum that not oppress yeh
44 and give yeh the women handouts theirs graciously so if remit for you about thing from it soul of (freely/themselves) so eat/consume it satisfaction ease
45 and not give the foolish wealth yours the one made the god for you standing/support and provide yeh them in it and clothe yeh them and speak yeh to them word of kindness of
46 and test yeh the orphans until when attained they the marriage so if perceive you from them rational so deliver yeh to them wealth theirs and not eat/consume it wastefully and hastily lest/that grow up they and from he is rich so should refrain and from he is in need of so let eat/consume in the fair manner so when deliver you to them wealth theirs so witness yeh upon/over them and sufficient in the god reckoner
47 to the men share from what left the parents and the close relatives and for the women share from what left the parents and the close relatives from what small from it or large share of obligatory
48 and when comes the division those the relatives/near and the orphans and the needy so provide yeh them from it and speak yeh for them word of kindness of
49 and let fear the ones if left they from behind them offspring weak fear they over them so let fear they the god and to say they word of right
410 surely the ones eating/consuming wealth the orphans injustice of only eating in bellies theirs fire of and will be burning a blaze
411 directs you the god in children yours to the male likeness share the two (f. dual) so if are (f/p) nisan/women above two (f) so for them (f/p) third dual (2/3) what left and if kanat/she is whidatan/one (f/s) so for her the half wali-abawayhi/and to parents his/deceased to each one from them both the sixth from what left if kana/he is (m/s) for him/deceased walad/born (if male child born i.e. son) so if not was for him/deceased walad/born (if no child) and heirs parents his (if only parents heirs) so to mother his/deceased the third so if kana/he is (m/s) for him/deceased ikh'wat/brethren (if male sibling i.e. brother) so to mother his/deceased the sixth from after a will have made in it or judgment fathers yours and children yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god he is knowledge of wisdom of
412 and for you half what left azwjukum/spouses yours if not was for them (f/p) walad/born (if no child) so if kana/he is (m/s) for them walad/born (if male child born i.e. son) so to you the fourth from what left they from after a will made they in it or judgment and for them the fourth from what left you if not was for you walad/born (if no child) so if kana/he is (m/s) for you walad/born (i.e. if male born/son) so to them the eight from what left you from after a will made they in it or judgment and if kana/he is (m/s) man inherited kalalah/fatherless and spouse-less (deceased left no crown/head of household) or im'ra-atun/lady and to him/deceased brother or sister so to each one from them both the sixth so if were they more/greater from that so they partners in the third from after a will is recommended in it or judgment other than harmful a will from the god and the god knower forbear-er...4176 they seek ruling yours say the god gives a ruling you in al-kalalah/the fatherless and spouse-less (the no head of household/crown) if person perished is not to him/deceased walad/born (if no child) and to him/deceased sister so for her half what left and he inherits it if not was for her walad/born (if no child) so if were (f) two (f) so to them both the third dual (2/3) from what left and if were they ikh'watun/siblings rijlan/men wanisan/and women so to the male like share the two (f. dual) shows the god for you lest stray yeh and the god in every thing know-er
Peace
- The word used is share (of inheritance) and not responsibility or debt
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Peace drfazl,
- The word used is share (of inheritance) and not responsibility or debt
a) $1 or $100K or $900K according to you an only daughter pays half! - The verse is pertaining to your children drfazl and not others children
- The verse is pertaining to your parents drfazl and not others parents
Peace noon
You are mistakenly reading translations of human beings as Quran. You are reading the sentences men had translated thinking you are reciting the verses of Allah. And your involvement in the words of men and the literal meaning they carry is too deep.
I am not fault-finding; just saying the painful reality that has taken heavy toll on the entire humanity. Whoever has taken Quran by translation, or, he may even be a born classical Arabian, he and everyone are just humans having sinful mind and obsession with the worldly pleasure and amusements. From the lofty heavenly life we had fallen as earthy ones. Arabians are as mundane as any other earthling.
What Allah says regarding the Quran and Straight Path is 554 Allah created man and it is He who would explain Quran to him. In such explanations are the Guidance. Who can Reveal the Quran, but Allah? Opt and wait for Allah's Revelations until it is completed on you for any single ayat. Until it is completed on you try not reciting but keep rehearsing. Once you are sure you had experienced the Truth in physical life, it is that the verse is completed on you and now you can speak.
But you are asking me a question who else can teach other than hadith-sayers ?
"left neither ascendants nor descendants?" Where you get kalalah definition, hadith?
Whatever question you have been asking for so repeatedly have got answers in all my posts if only you pause to ponder for a second. Yet you ask for a simple example. We are poles apart here in understanding and comprehension
- Again, what you write are not stated in verse nor is responsibilities or debt in verse
- The verse is pertaining to what your spouse leaves you drfazl and not anyone else
- The verse is pertaining to what you leave your spouse drfazl and not anyone else
See what exactly? What you write is nowhere stated in verses.
Perhaps you show us a simple example say which verse to use-
man perishes leaving only his parents, a wife, and 3 underage daughters (see 42-6)
a) the man left property $100k who gets how much?
b) the man left property $900k who gets how much? -
man perishes leaving only his parents, a wife, and 3 underage daughters
a) the man leaves a debt $100k who pays how much?
b) the man leaves a debt $900k who pays how much?
3 years daughter, $100K, 900K all these things are not in the verses. As relatives our business is to sustain the family of wife and children. As to the money left with the family, the mother will take full care of. It is none of our business.
Peace
drfazl - The word used is share (of inheritance) and not responsibility or debt