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Salaam Bender
Here is something worth reading for you;
GentlemenThe starting point of this discussion is my central thesis, which is
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DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern; it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism.
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All codes are created by a conscious mind; there is no natural process known to science that creates coded information.
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Therefore DNA was designed by a mind.
If you can provide an empirical example of a code or language that occurs naturally, you've toppled my proof. All you need is one.
Perry Marshall
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Let's review where we've been in this thread. I have said(1) The sequence of base pairs in DNA is a code.
Much effort has been made to discredit this statement, unsuccessfully. This statement is fully and explicitly supported in virtually all of the scientific literature since the 1960s.
(2) All codes that we know the origin of come from a mind.
Much effort has been expended to discredit this statement as well. Assertions have been attempted that gravity, snowflakes, magma flows and the like are codes. But none accurately conforms to Shannon's communication model. Most of the examples cited do not contain an encoding system, and none contain a decoding system.
(3) Therefore DNA came from a mind.
The objection to this statement has been that the conclusion is reached inductively. Complaints have been lodged that inductive reasoning is inherently unreliable. But we do observe that the laws of thermodynamics and in fact the majority of known scientific laws are determined inductively and not deductively. If you wish to throw out inductive reasoning, then we can discard almost all scientific knowledge and start all over again and use rocks and sticks to make fire.
Thus we have, right here on the Infidels discussion forum, after more than 300 posts, robust evidence that life was intelligently designed.
It is not possible for me to persuade people to believe in God if they do not want to; that is not my job. But one can hope that some will follow the evidence, wherever it leads.
Perry Marshall
http//www.vina.cc/news/index.php/General/DNA-proves-the-existence-of-God.html
Salaamsalaam
The Universe is an Illusion, But Consciousness Isn't
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byqy249bXkc
Comments welcome
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Salaam,
Post No. 17 is overdue. Will you please come up with.
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Salaam,
Post No. 17 is overdue. Will you please come up with.
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Yes! Post 17 is long overdue and it would not have been long overdue if it was not due to some threats of closure by certain persons who present themselves as promoters of freedom of speech but really do not like it at all when it begins to destroy their world views.
I am still waiting for the moderators to respond to my request why they closed the thread The Qur'aan Cosmological Model. I am busy on another 50 other forums and can truly say that this forum is the first who have particularly blocked The Qur'aan Cosmological Model. I have been waiting for a reply now for about two months. Only one moderator returned to say that he did not block it.
In the meantime I would say that about 50% of the regular members of Free Minds have given me a very good positive response and many are learning the Book (al-kitaab) on other venues.Think about this
" Is it not strange that this forum has banned almost all members from South Africa for absolutely no reason. I have all the proofs for this. For example one lady whom I met only once in about twenty five years called to ask me why she was banned and she did not even post anything. She was a Christian and I showed her to the way of islaam in 1983 when she was 16 years old. Her children are now at university and they spoke to her about the Book (al-kitaab). She got into contact with me and I recommended her to join some forums to learn more. A few days later she was banned. This forum does not seem to be able to stomach this knowledge. It seems to go into a frenzy when the subject of the Book (al-kitaab) is discussed.
Every step I take here is monitored for an opportunity to justify a ban ( I was banned on five other forums over a year ago and I am discussing on another 50+).I will write again inshaa ALLAAH.
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Salaam al-amiyr,
It has gone so long I have started to wonder where you went.
God bless you
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salaam
I am one of the old members that were banned, a few years back, when debating the subject of ?Hot Ramadhan?. After some time the forum went quiet and the ban was lifted. Being banned from the forum is not a pleasant experience; one feels like never returning. However I felt it?s my duty to speak up for what, in my view is right, so I started once more to take part in the discussions from previous ramDaan.
A few months back I again received a warning, from a moderator, for starting a thread that questioned their policies. I have been here long enough by now to know that this forum?s relative popularity is not derived from its administrators, but from some very genuine members who, like me, are seeking knowledge, so I again pushed my ego aside and resumed posting.
I?m finally entering the Hidden Book in earnest, and the feeling is great, so I wanted to share that. I am able now to work out the meanings of many words, from the Qur?aan, like what and where is ?muqaam-e-Ibrahiym?. At other times I have learned the innate meanings of words, written in English letters. Just this morning the word END came to my mind and I was able to work out, from my knowledge of al-kitaab of what the letters E and N stand for, to D for duration. There I had in full the explanation of the word END.
At other times I am googling away, looking in awe at the structure of a molecule or an atom. Amazed at the favours of ALLAAH that surround us, the more I look the more my eyes turn back ?humbled and defeated?. Often I?m anxious to get to the next lesson, as I too am waiting for it, but then next morning my eyes open to fresh findings, and then I realise that I?m still not ready for the next stage.
So to all those who are anxious for the next post I say; if I can learn from the Book then so can you. All we need is dedication and ALLAAH will help us. Use every minute to understand fully what has been given to us, in drawing and writing from al-kitaab. Make your own drawings and if you feel that the diagrams are somehow in conflict with the letters of the Qur'aan, then confront him, with constructive criticism. I too checked his posts with a critical eye but I was unable to detect any fabrication. If others can, then do bring it out.
Finally I want to make it clear that I firmly believe Muhmmad (saws) was the last nabiyh and messenger, and that ALLAH?s message to all mankind was perfected in the Qur?aan. We will from time to time get warners or teachers (not messenger) and that ALLAAH has given His chosen servants the Book, in inheritance.(3532),
(1644)
and for us record 5452This is the era when with a click of a button technology lays open all sorts of information right in front of us now is the time to learn who guarded for us the documentary proofs for us to see with our own eyes signs from ALLAH and His ultimate Grand Plan.
3542. They swore their strongest oaths by Allah that if a warner came to them, they would follow his guidance better than any (other) of the Peoples But when a warner came to them, it has only increased their flight (from righteousness),May ALLAAH guide all to learn from His knowledge inshaa ALLAAH
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salaam
Finally I want to make it clear that I firmly believe Muhmmad (saws) was the last nabiyh and messenger, and that ALLAH?s message to all mankind was perfected in the Qur?aan. We will from time to time get warners or teachers (not messenger) and that ALLAAH has given His chosen servants the Book, in inheritance.(3532),
(1644)
and for us record 5452May ALLAAH guide all to learn from His knowledge inshaa ALLAAH
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With your statement above can you explain what the below verses mean to you
2129 ?Our Lord, and send among them a messenger from among themselves, that he may recite to them Your revelations and teach them the Book and the wisdom, and purify them. You are the Noble, the Wise.?
2151 As We have sent a messenger to you from among yourselves to recite Our revelations to you, and purify you, and teach you the Book and the wisdom, and teach you what you did not know.
3164 God has bestowed grace upon the believers by sending them a messenger from among themselves reciting His revelations and purifying them and teaching them the Book and the wisdom, and they were before in manifest darkness.
386 How can God guide a people who have rejected after believing, and they had witnessed that the messenger was true, and the clarity had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people.
3132 And obey God and the messenger so that you may obtain mercy.
353 ?Our Lord, we believe in what You have sent down, and followed the messenger, so record us with those who bear witness.?
3179 God was not to leave the believers as they were without distinguishing the rotten from the good. And God was not to let you know the future, but God chooses from His messengers whom He wishes; so believe in God and His messengers. And if you believe and are righteous, then you will have a great recompense.
353 ?Our Lord, we believe in what You have sent down, and followed the messenger, so record us with those who bear witness.?
Regards
BalaChandran
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With your statement above can you explain what the below verses mean to you
Regards
BalaChandran
Do you understand the gravity of your question; do you realise Whose prerogative it is to explain His revelations?
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If you still don?t get it, then what will explain to 'thee'
Al-Qur'aan 7427, 7714, 8217/18, 838, 8319, 1013, 10110, 1045 -
Do you understand the gravity of your question; do you realise Whose prerogative it is to explain His revelations?
(7519)
If you still dont get it, then what will explain to 'thee'
Al-Qur'aan 7427, 7714, 8217/18, 838, 8319, 1013, 10110, 1045Hope I have not commited sin to go to hell by asking you a simple question.
Let me rephrase my question as to what is the Quranic reference to your belief
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Finally I want to make it clear that I firmly believe Muhmmad (saws) was the last nabiyh and messenger, and that ALLAHs message to all mankind was perfected in the Quraan. We will from time to time get warners or teachers (not messenger) and that ALLAAH has given His chosen servants the Book, in inheritance.(3532),
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Hope I have not commited sin to go to hell by asking you a simple question.
It is not for me to guide you, pray to ALLAAH to lead you to His straight path pr
Let me rephrase my question as to what is the Quranic reference to your belief
Each to his own, I owe you no explanation concerning my beliefs.
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Salaam al-amiyr,
It has gone so long I have started to wonder where you went.
God bless you
salaam+ Man of Faith
Do not worry! ) I have been regularly visiting the site and probably read most of your posts during this time as well. Thank you and my God bless you as well.
al-amiyr
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As far as I understand, it is against the Sunnatullah to be behave like a filthy dictator. Creating an enabling environment thereby facilitating people to choose from wright and wrong, is a well defined Divine Law. Allah(swt) allowed even the Shaitan to exist with all its might whom we confront each and every moment. So why there is a need to put a censorship on anyone from expressing one's views peacefully. After all, each one of us has got the faculty of understanding. I think brother Al-Amiyr may be allowed to complete his project without any undue hassle. I hope administration will have a re-think.
Salaam!
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As you can see this thread the Book (al-kitaab) has now reached over 10 000 views.
If it will not be blocked like my other thread The Qur'aan Cosmological Model then I predict that this thread of the Book (al-kitaab) would soon become the most popular in the history of Free Minds. -
Peace with you all people sun
A question.
Do you posses the Al-Jafr (book) and have knowledge from it?PS I don't believe the book has ever existed and were narration from Prophet Mohammed sas.
May God the Mercifully lead everyone to the stright path.
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Peace with you all people sun
A question.
Do you posses the Al-Jafr (book) and have knowledge from it?PS I don't believe the book has ever existed and were narration from Prophet Mohammed sas.
May God the Mercifully lead everyone to the stright path.
salaam+ Birdy
I wondered when someone would ask me this question. Yes I possess al-jafr. It has passed through the 44 generations of my fore fathers. The sons of our paternal uncle imaam muhammad al-baaqir (fifth imaam of the Shia Muslims inherited the physical jafr. Our line through amiyr zayd ibn ali (brother of imaam muhammad al-baaqir) inherited the mental 'jafr'. It is lodged into our brains and we teach it to whomever ALLAAH wishes guide anywhere. That is why so many of my fore fathers were killed and beheaded by the ruling elite and we had to go into hiding for all the time. But the time has come for it to be made known to the world. Nothing can stop it. With ALLAAH is the decree for all things. If you wish I can teach you al-jafr inshaa ALLAAH.
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salaam+ Birdy
I wondered when someone would ask me this question. Yes I possess al-jafr. It has passed through the 44 generations of my fore fathers. The sons of our paternal uncle imaam muhammad al-baaqir (fifth imaam of the Shia Muslims inherited the physical jafr. Our line through amiyr zayd ibn ali (brother of imaam muhammad al-baaqir) inherited the mental 'jafr'. It is lodged into our brains and we teach it to whomever ALLAAH wishes guide anywhere. That is why so many of my fore fathers were killed and beheaded by the ruling elite and we had to go into hiding for all the time. But the time has come for it to be made known to the world. Nothing can stop it. With ALLAAH is the decree for all things. If you wish I can teach you al-jafr inshaa ALLAAH.
So are you claiming to be the hidden imam? The promised Mahdi?
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Peace with you all sun
Thanks for response Al-Amiyr and for the invitation but I'm sorry I have to refuse it. I have already the best teacher ever and that's enough for me. I appriciate your understanding and remain with kindly regards.
May Allah the All-Wise lead us to the stright put.
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Peace with you all sun
Thanks for response Al-Amiyr and for the invitation but I'm sorry I have to refuse it. I have already the best teacher ever and that's enough for me. I appriciate your understanding and remain with kindly regards.
May Allah the All-Wise lead us to the stright put.
Peace upon and with all of you too
Thanks Birdy. I wish you all the best and great success in your studies. May ALLAAH guide all to his right path inshaa ALLAAH.
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