Why the Quran decreed 3 daily ritual prayers with 2 rak'ahs each
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Peace
6619 is correct, almathani means in pairs, in fact it emphasises it by saying al meaning only in pairs, and min meaning throughout or continually in pairs...so each salat cannot have more than two recitations of the first sura of the Quran, and cannot have less... i.e. exactly two...
and when you collate that with other verses, the tally comes to three prayers of two rak'3a each with one fatiha in each rak'3a...in fact, I have advised all my family members who do pray to always pray only three times a day
in the fajr, in the middle of the day and just after sunset, reading the fatiha only twice per salat, i.e. once per rak'3a with the tally of rak'3at per salat as being two...Salaam brother,
God bless you for admitting the literal truth in the verse.
"Sab'an minalmathani" are something that have been revealed to Muhammad according to 1587.
Therefore it is either 7 verses or 7 suras, that are known to be repeated in sets of two. Any sincere person will know that it cannot be other than sura 1 in Salat. It is clear just by doing this simple elimination process.
God bless you.Pierre
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I am not the only one who chose to translate "sab'an min al mathani" in a literal way by "the seven in sets of two".
Qaribullah does pretty much much the same in his translation
(1587) We have given you the seven dual (verses, Al Fatihah) and the Mighty Holy Reading (Koran).
"seven dual" (verses of al fatiha) because they are recited twice in salat.When you look at the meaning of the singular "mathna" in the Quran (two, pair), you have to translate its plural "al mathani" by "sets of two" or "sets of pairs". It is pure logic.
Peace.Pierre
Peace Pierre,
How will you translate 1140, specially the red part below?
1140
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhanPS. BTW, I don't believe in any historical books, because alQuraan is more than enough for me.
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Peace Pierre,
How will you translate 1140, specially the red part below?
1140
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhanPS. BTW, I don't believe in any historical books, because alQuraan is more than enough for me.
Salaam brother,
I would translate this by "From every species two couples".
The root means "to marry", couple anything with, etc... and yes it means a pair, but more specifically a couple of a male and a female here. The word is associated with ithnayn (two, dual form), which shares the same root as "al mathani" in 1587, which means there "in sets of two" or "in sets of pairs", but without the connotation of male and female, as one of the meanings of the root " " is simply "to double".
Please read carefully the update that I made on my website regarding salat in the Quran (http//www.islamrevolution.org/salatinthequran.htm)
Some people may object that 1587 does not seem to refer to the practice of sal?t. That would be denying (A) the obvious meaning of the verse and (B) the circumstantial evidence of the practice of sal?t and historical sources for over 1400 years. Let's read again the verse(A) Quranic evidence
(1587) We have revealed to you the seven recited in sets of two and the sublime Quran.
God says that He revealed to our holy prophet the Quran (literally, "the recitation", and puts the emphasis on a subdivision of the Quran that is called literally "the seven in sets of two", that is to say in the context of the verse, since the Quran means "the recitation", "the seven in sets of two". Since the expression mentions a specific number (seven) regarding this subdivision of the Quran, it is not rocket science It designates either Quranic verses or suras, one or the other. Now please ask any Muslim around the world who practices sal?t "What is it in Islam that refers either to 7 verses or suras that are known to be recited in sets of two, or sets of pairs? I guarantee you that virtually 100% of Muslims will tell you that it refers to sura 1 and the fact that it is repeated in sets of two in sal?t. This is why 1587 designates no other than sura 1 and the fact that it shall be recited in sets of two in sal?t. God does not even need to mention what it means People know. Similarly, if you give the opportunity to explain people what verse 1587 really means literally, they also will know exactly that it refers to sura 1 and its recitation in sal?t, if they are sincere.
(B) Circumstantial evidence
B.1 The Friday prayer
It is very significant that hadiths followers were not able to alter the 2 rak'ah Friday "middle" prayer (and even the fact it is recited aloud, as prescribed in the Quran) because all Muslim communities around the world have always gathered on that occasion and the pill would have been too hard to swallow. This is the first circumstantial evidence of the fact that originally, our holy prophet Muhammad was commanded to pray only two rak'ahs in sal?t.
B.2 Shia Islam
In addition to the fact that the Bible, just like the Quran, commands only three daily prayers, it is noteworthy that the Shias, despite the fact that they historically allowed themselves to be perverted by Sunni Islam by observing five daily prayers, usually group their five prayers by only praying three times a day. Even more interesting, a brother who follows the Quran alone and lives in Iran, pointed out that Shias in Iran never recite sura 1 more than twice in each prayer, as they do not recite sura 1 in rak'ahs number 3 and 4 (!). We can therefore say that there is heavy circumstantial evidence in Shia Islam that they originally performed only the three daily prayers decreed in the Quran (dawn, middle and sunset) in which they used to (and still) recite sura 1 only twice, that is to say that they used to perform only two rak'ahs, as God commands in 1587.
B.3 Hadith Bukhary, volume 6, Livre 60, num?ro 1
Despite the fact that hadiths have caused a widespread perversion of the true Islam found in the Quran, we can occasionally identify the original Quranic truth in some of them. This is the case of hadith Bukhari (Sahih) number 346, narrated by Aisha
The mother of believers "Allah enjoined the prayer. When He enjoined it, it was two rakat only , both in residence or on a journey. Then the prayers offered on a journey remained the same, but the prayers for non travellers were increased."
I hope you did not miss that brother "theNapster" in a previous post ackowledged that the meaning of 1587 does refer to reciting twice sura 1 in every salat and started praying that way. On my website, I have had already several people who agreed as well and updated their practice of salat. This is just in passing, what matters is what the Quran REALLY says literally and the context in the Quran and Islam.
Peace and God bless.
Pierre
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This is why Shia Imams who were very well versed and knowledged with Quran said that one needs to pray three times a day!
And that is why Shias combine prayers (zuhur va asar) and maghrib and Isisha. But they still do 17 rakkahs.I have been looking into this myself this is very interesting. Keep on purifying and reading and learning and aks for Allah's guidance. Thanks for bringing this up.
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This is why Shia Imams who were very well versed and knowledged with Quran said that one needs to pray three times a day!
And that is why Shias combine prayers (zuhur va asar) and maghrib and Isisha. But they still do 17 rakkahs.I have been looking into this myself this is very interesting. Keep on purifying and reading and learning and aks for Allah's guidance. Thanks for bringing this up.
Salaam brother,
Shia Islam allowed itsef to be bullied by the Sunnis regarding 5 prayers and 17 rak'ahs, but their Salat bears witness to 3 original salawat with the recitation of 2 Fatihas, that is to say 2 rak'ahs, as detailed in 1587.
Peace and God bless.Pierre
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Salaam Pierre,
You are absolutely right in what you are saying. It all makes sense. Why would God change His ritual from 3 to 5 prayers per day in His last revelation we can ask ourselves. And that surah 1 is to be recited twice in each prayer does also make sense.
I have heard that before Muhammad people used to pray only two rakah, so why would this change?
By the way dear Pierre, I am brother Henrik. I just registered here.
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Arabic original text is this
is the definite PLURAL noun. Plural Noun in Arabic quantitatively denotes three and more. It does not denote two.
Serious mistake in featured article What is Salat?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604761.0Salaam Mazhar,
I agree 1 zillion%, of course the plural "salawat" implies by definition three or more prayers. But the authors seem to claim, from what I heard in the past, that the verse does not necessarily deal with one specific day. That way, they find a way to save face regarding a minimum of three salawat implied by definition in the verse. The problem is that the Quran keeps on defining periods of salat through one day, that is to say Dawn, Middle (literally starting "from midday in 5038...), and sunset. If midday is not the middle then what is it?
All we can do is point at, as you said, at the "serious mistake" and warn the others not to listen to them in that regard.
Peace,Pierre
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Salaam Pierre,
You are absolutely right in what you are saying. It all makes sense. Why would God change His ritual from 3 to 5 prayers per day in His last revelation we can ask ourselves. And that surah 1 is to be recited twice in each prayer does also make sense.
I have heard that before Muhammad people used to pray only two rakah, so why would this change?
By the way dear Pierre, I am brother Henrik. I just registered here.
Salaam Henrik,
God bless you.
Pierre
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Salaam Mazhar,
I agree 1 zillion%, of course the plural "salawat" implies by definition three or more prayers. But the authors seem to claim, from what I heard in the past, that the verse does not necessarily deal with one specific day. That way, they find a way to save face regarding a minimum of three salawat implied by definition in the verse. The problem is that the Quran keeps on defining periods of salat through one day, that is to say Dawn, Middle (literally starting "from midday in 5038...), and sunset. If midday is not the middle then what is it?
All we can do is point at, as you said, at the "serious mistake" and warn the others not to listen to them in that regard.
Peace,Pierre
Arabic Phrase denotes nothing but that one which has two on its both sides. It is itself relatively in the middle of other four. Ask those who say three, that whether can be used to indicate something in between another two.
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Dear brothers and sisters, salamun 'alaykum,
By the grace of God, I now understand very clearly that only three prayers have been decreed in the Quran.
The following information is in my opinion a major turning point in true Islam (based on the Quran alone) and I pray that you will not miss this
Verse 1587 is the key to understand how many rak'ahs have been decreed for us in salat(1587) We have revealed to you the seven recited in sets of two and the sublime Quran.
I will not spoil all the details and the easy secret that explains why this is the correct interpretation and why it does mean that two rak'ahs (i.e. 2 recitations of sura 1) have been decreed in each salat. Please read section 14 in the article on salat
http//www.islamrevolution.org/salatinthequran.htm
This article also explains the Friday prayer (section 17) in the light of this new discovery, and a lot more.
God bless you all, and please pass down this message to as many people as possible.Pierre
Salaam,
The Red part of the next verse has the same construction as the red part I highlighted from your post.
444Can you please translate the red part of 444 in the same way as you did for 1587.
Salaam,
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Arabic Phrase denotes nothing but that one which has two on its both sides. It is itself relatively in the middle of other four. Ask those who say three, that whether can be used to indicate something in between another two.
Salam
can be used to indicate something in between another two ? Not?? hmm
what i read is, that the catholic church (i.e. monks and nuns) prays five prayers every day PLUS prayers in the night (special midnight prayer)... Jesus also prayed 1, 3, 6, 9, 12 hour (in the DAY)
Jews knew the five prayers, but for practical reasons they shortened them together to three. They took the morning with the sunrise prayer and the afternoon prayer with the evening prayer and prayed the main prayers (morning and evening) at the temple.
According to historical sources, the Muslims prayed two prayers every day. So we are back to the begin...But in regards to the two Rakas, I agree - this is well possible. But a prayer is less a recitation than conversation and ask for help. nope
(so in the end we found the middle way two rakats with two fatihas and two public prayers on day and five or more (night) individual prayers...(my own opinion...)
Salam -
Salaam,
The Red part of the next verse has the same construction as the red part I highlighted from your post.
444Can you please translate the red part of 444 in the same way as you did for 1587.
Salaam,
BenderSalaam,
A portion from the book, meaning "a portion that belongs to the book".
The Seven from the sets of two , meaning "the seven that belong to the sets of two" .
In other words, "sab'an min al mathani" are the seven verses recited in/from the sets of two performed in salat.
Peace.Pierre
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Arabic Phrase denotes nothing but that one which has two on its both sides. It is itself relatively in the middle of other four. Ask those who say three, that whether can be used to indicate something in between another two.
Salaam Mazhar,
(223 Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (assalawat), and the middle prayer (Salaat al wusta), and stand up before God with humility.
My point in the translation is that all prayers are to be preserved or performed by definition, mentioning the middle prayer afterwards is simply about emphasizing its importance as being the one in the middle, both in terms of being in the middle of the other two, and starting exactly in the middle of the two at midday.
It does not make sense in my opinion that saying "Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (assalawat)" would not include one of the prayers directly.Peace.
Pierre
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Salaam Mazhar,
(223 Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (assalawat), and the middle prayer (Salaat al wusta), and stand up before God with humility.
My point in the translation is that all prayers are to be preserved or performed by definition, mentioning the middle prayer afterwards is simply about emphasizing its importance as being the one in the middle, both in terms of being in the middle of the other two, and starting exactly in the middle of the two at midday.
It does not make sense in my opinion that saying "Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (assalawat)" would not include one of the prayers directly.Peace.
Pierre
Assalawat is not an object-commodity which needs to be preserved. The command is to remain self vigilant-on guard upon performing the Time bound protocol of servitude and allegiance. People are individually made responsible.
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Salam Pierre
While reading this excellent article on salat at http//www.islamrevolution.org/salatinthequran.htm
a confusion came up. As per 4102........
what I under stood is that imam will complete two rakats but each group will complete only one raka behind the imam.
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Dear brothers and sisters, salamun 'alaykum,
By the grace of God, I now understand very clearly that only three prayers have been decreed in the Quran.
The following information is in my opinion a major turning point in true Islam (based on the Quran alone) and I pray that you will not miss this
Verse 1587 is the key to understand how many rak'ahs have been decreed for us in salat(1587) We have revealed to you the seven recited in sets of two and the sublime Quran.
Pierre
Seven heavens above us is the oft repeated in Quran for those who reflect.
And wherever and however oft the Quran recites the seven heavens, it is always paired with the earth as a set of two.
This verse has nothing to do with either the ritualistic salat or sura Al Fathiha.
With this Seven, Allah guides whom He will; and sends astray whom He will.
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Well, i would like to add that yes, the seven pairs might refer to the fatha, because the way the Quran is organized, sura 2 looks like the actually the beginning of the Quran, mainly because sura 2 starts with ALM, THIS BOOK....
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Well, i would like to add that yes, the seven pairs might refer to the fatha, because the way the Quran is organized, sura 2 looks like the actually the beginning of the Quran, mainly because sura 2 starts with ALM, THIS BOOK....
Salaam Youssef,
(1587) We have revealed to you the seven recited in sets of two and the sublime Quran.
This is a great remark.
I always add a feeling that sura 2 looks like you are really starting the Quran
(21) ALM. (22) This is the book for which there is no doubt. It is a guide for those who are God conscious.I also have the feeling that the entire sura 1 was known at the time of Abraham and maybe Adam, and that it was lost afterwards.
We are at least sure that Solomon knew the expression "Bismillah al Rahman al Raheem" from 2730.
God bless you.Pierre
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Seven heavens above us is the oft repeated in Quran for those who reflect.
And wherever and however oft the Quran recites the seven heavens, it is always paired with the earth as a set of two.
This verse has nothing to do with either the ritualistic salat or sura Al Fathiha.
With this Seven, Allah guides whom He will; and sends astray whom He will.
.Salaam,
1587 We have revealed to you the seven in sets of two and the sublime Quran.
Very obviously, God did not reveal to Muhammad the seven heavens paired with the earth since they were already there millions of years before him.
We have to stick with the meaning of the verse to understand what it really means It is about God revealing the Quran to Muhammad, as well as seven that are in sets of two.
Therefore, "sab'an minalmathani" are either seven verses or suras by definition, and only the seven verses of sura 1 fits the description since they are recited in sets of two in salat.
It is when we try to reinvent the wheel and not paying attention to what the Quran exactly says (here it is about 7 in sets of two revealed to Muhammad) that we end up being lost. The verse simply details what we call today rak'ahs in salat, as any Muslim around the world who practices salat knows that it comes in sets of two.
Peace.Pierre