Do we need books to believe in God?

drfazl

Peace.
tell us which Quran you read?

That which Allah sends down upon me as revelation as you read the TEXT of the Book, that has no contradiction to the All Time Truth. If you find the following verse in your Quran also, then do not ask again which Quran I read.

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Follow what has been revealed to you from your God and do not follow other than Him any guide. Little do you remember.

The original point is authored in Quran 262
Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in God, and
(2) believes in the Last Day, and
(3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

While you are following The Book 262 why you did you start this thread? You wanted to play games with others whom you consider are below par? Is this not then shaitan's business inducing vain arguments? Are you an ally of him? If I answer you anymore and let myself to be lured into such inducements and involve in this particular thread it is considered I am obeying shaitan and become of the associators.

6121
And indeed shaitan inspires their allies among men to dispute with you. And if you were to obey them, indeed, you would also be of the associators.

See if the above verse is in your Book and follow it for guidance. Do not keep saying, "We do not need the Book". Just see where you stand by starting this thread. You do need the Book. Read!

Bahman

Peace Bahman, All.

Does it really matter? The fact remains we have a" proven" scripture now, whether we need one or we do not! Yes ,there is proof that it is the word of God.( For me anyway and others...)

Those who do not accept the " proof" that the Qoran is authored by GOD

5357 The inevitable is imminent.? ( Resurrection and Judgement?, Who do you answer to?)

5358 None beside GOD can relieve it.?

5359Are you questioning this matter??

5360 Are you laughing instead of crying??

5361Are you insisting on your ways.?

( Here is a message from your creator, Yes you this computer/technology Generation!)

541 The hour (Resurrection and judgement!) has come close, and the Moon has split.?( 1969, Man landed on the Moon and brought Moon rocks to be analysed!)

542 Then they saw a miracle, but they turned away and said? Old magic.? ? ( 1974, The discovery of- Code 19- with the aid of computers, proof that the last message from GOD ? Koran? could not have been authored by Man!)

543 They disbelieved, followed their opinions and adhered to their old traditions.?

( GOD sent this last message more than 1400 years ago!)

546 Ignore them; The day will come when the caller will announce a terrible disaster.?

548 As they respond to the caller, the disbelievers will say? This is a difficult day.? ?

5417 We have made this Koran (Last message!) easy to learn; Does any of you wish to learn??

( Simple criteria, Submit to your creator and see for yourself? Do not be like past generations!!!)

5442 They ( Past generations) rejected all Our signs, ( and miracles!) consequently, We requited them as an Almighty, Omnipotent should.? ( Read their stories, Noah, Pharaoh, etc?.)

5443 Are your disbelievers ( You, this generation!) better than those disbelievers? Have you been absolved by the scripture?? ( Are you exempt?)

5444 Perhaps they think( You this generation!)? We will be the winners!? ( Humans and Arrogance!)

5445 All of them ( Disbelievers of all generations!) will be defeated; They will turn around and ( try to ) flee.? ( Only there is nowhere to escape to! )

5446 The hour is awaiting them ( Judgement day!!!) and the hour is far worse and more painful.?

5449 Everything We created is precisely measured.?

5450 Our commands are done within the blink of an eye.?

5451 We annihilated your counterparts. ( From the old generations) Does any of you wish to learn??

5452 Everything they did is recorded in scrolls.? ( Accurate records!)

5453 Everything ,small or large, is written down.? ( Remember, GOD is forgiver, Most Merciful if you submit!)

5677 to 5687

? This is an honourable book.? (Message)? A protected book.? ( By ..proof!)

? None can grasp it except the Sincere!? ( Simple criteria of submission, no other Motives!)

? Are you disregarding this narration??

? Do you make it your business that you do not believe??

? When the time comes and ?it? ( Your last breath as you are dying!) reaches your throat.?

? You will then look around.?

? We are closer to it than you are, but you do not see.? ( The Angel of death!)

? If it is true that you do not owe any accounting.? ( That you are not returning to your creator for judgement!)

? Why do you not restore ( your life!) if you are truthful!?

Yes it does not matter a jot!!! Because

5722 Anything that happens on earth or to you, has already been recorded, even before the creation; This is easy for GOD to do.? ( GOD knows the past, present and the future!)

? This is the absolute truth.?

? You shall glorify the name of your Lord, the Great.?

Peace.

Peace dear Goo Logic.
I am in lne up to response to your frwell, although ihave missed many of your posts here and there with your good logi and peaceful manner but as we say is Persian Mosht nemoonah kharvar ast. A hanfuul is sample of a ton )
I wish you best luck for your study and God bless you.
Peace.

Bahman

That which Allah sends down upon me as revelation as you read the TEXT of the Book, that has no contradiction to the All Time Truth. If you find the following verse in your Quran also, then do not ask again which Quran I read.
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Follow what has been revealed to you from your God and do not follow other than Him any guide. Little do you remember.

Peace.
If you do not like people asking you question then what are you doing on this screen and in this topic?

I am showing you clearly that all Quarns are copy and original one has been burnt. And as dear Layth has done his search and study shows how many and how they differs in number of verses, why you here?
My Quran is Dr. Rashad Khalifah translation.
7-3
You shall all follow what is revealed to you from your Lord; do not follow any idols besides Him. Rarely do you take heed.
http//submission.org/QI#7-3
and proof for book is this one
http//purified-scripture.com/
this verse has 14 (7x2) words and totla of 57 (19x3) letters

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140027061 401 150730 130102040 4050 20022040 6301 40040027061 4050 46505 16301011 1003010301 401 40070020200650=
7x7x...............

3,140027061 401 150730 130102040 4050 20022040 6301 40040027061 4050 46505 16301011 1003010301 401 40070020200650,7=
7x........

While you are following The Book 262 why you did you start this thread? You wanted to play games with others whom you consider are below par?

Where do you find in 262 says to follow Quran when says
Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in God, ....
Any of those do not follow Quran but their book which are manipulated as Quran was too and now is purified.
There is no game ,clear crystal question. I believe in Quran as a sign for proof for existence of GOD, billions before and now and after are no following Quran but among them are many that believe in God Alone and cite their Shahada in any language There is no god beside God
Quran was revealed in Arabic may understand it but they did not and resulted such anarchy and bloody religion and now by his Sign again warns those following their parents and teachers belief blindly by his Signe for this 7430 in His First commandment may Arab and those know Arabic understand it and correct their Shahads as first step returing to God Alone and then which book we discuss it here.

If you are good teacher then you should add proof for Quran to your claim otherway for this era is hot air.

Is this not then shaitan's business inducing vain arguments? Are you an ally of him? If I answer you anymore and let myself to be lured into such inducements and involve in this particular thread it is considered I am obeying shaitan and become of the associators.

This is problem with you people that as soon as you can not answer Question instead of clearing doubt you accuse me of Satan follower and leave the tread 7431

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And indeed shaitan inspires their allies among men to dispute with you. And if you were to obey them, indeed, you would also be of the associators.

See if the above verse is in your Book and follow it for guidance. Do not keep saying, "We do not need the Book". Just see where you stand by starting this thread. You do need the Book. Read!

Rashad translated
Do not eat from that upon which the name of God has not been mentioned, for it is an abomination. The devils inspire their allies to argue with you; if you obey them, you will be idol worshipers.*

*6121 Dietary prohibitions instituted by other than God represent idolatry.

It is baout food but say do not follow Satan , do not say accuse them when you do not know and do not say discuss with them and answer their question.

It seem you are nother confused one with Islamic (Mohammedans) apearance ( 1000 kinds )
leading navies and simple poeple to wrong path as yours and talking with sword in street and such language here.
peace

drfazl

drfazl

Peace.

My Quran is Dr. Rashad Khalifah translation.
7-3
You shall all follow what is revealed to you from your Lord; do not follow any idols besides Him. Rarely do you take heed.

But you are following what was with your idol rashad khalifa and not following what is revealed to you. Does the verse say you shall all follow what is revealed to you through your idol rashad; or that which is revealed to you from your Lord direct?

http//submission.org/QI#7-3
and proof for book is this one
http//purified-scripture.com/
this verse has 14 (7x2) words and totla of 57 (19x3) letters

73
140027061 401 150730 130102040 4050 20022040 6301 40040027061 4050 46505 16301011 1003010301 401 40070020200650=
7x7x...............

3,140027061 401 150730 130102040 4050 20022040 6301 40040027061 4050 46505 16301011 1003010301 401 40070020200650,7=
7x........

Is Quran a jargon with junk letters; or do you think Quran is only for maths followers? Or Quran is even for the illiterate?

I want to proceed further after I fix this first. Because you are an idol worshiper in rashad as of now.

Peace

drfazl

Where do you find in 262 says to follow Quran when says
Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in God, ....

Why did you stop there? Will you not continue the ayat to learn what you have to follow if you are a believer?

Any of those do not follow Quran but their book which are manipulated as Quran was too and now is purified.

Leave alone manipulation of Quran. Rashad threw away the ayats of Quran because of his pride that the ayats did not suit his formula. Should Rashad not know that he should have pushed his 19 formula into the dustbin because he was check-mated and made to meet his Waterloo in those two verses by Allah, The Almighty? No Rashad has gone astray. And you are his follower. Please follow Allah alone, the Only A'alim.

There is no game ,clear crystal question. I believe in Quran as a sign for proof for existence of GOD, billions before and now and after are no following Quran but among them are many that believe in God Alone and cite their Shahada in any language There is no god beside God
Quran was revealed in Arabic may understand it but they did not and resulted such anarchy and bloody religion and now by his Sign again warns those following their parents and teachers belief blindly by his Signe for this 7430 in His First commandment may Arab and those know Arabic understand it and correct their Shahads as first step returing to God Alone and then which book we discuss it here.

If you are good teacher then you should add proof for Quran to your claim otherway for this era is hot air.

The proof of my promise that I bear witness that Allah and His Quran alone is sufficient for my entire life - is I eat no one's brain nor do I follow any one's translation but what is revealed to me by Allah direct as I read the TEXT of Quran, and as a result no evil has touched me, my family and all those thousands who have been following Quran this way of learning Quran directly from Allah. And because I follow Allah there is no worry nor fear except that I have fear for Allah, Almighty.

Peace

drfazl

Rashad translated
Do not eat from that upon which the name of God has not been mentioned, for it is an abomination. The devils inspire their allies to argue with you; if you obey them, you will be idol worshipers.*

*6121 Dietary prohibitions instituted by other than God represent idolatry.

It is baout food but say do not follow Satan , do not say accuse them when you do not know and do not say discuss with them and answer their question.

6121
Taste not the fruits of the worldly things without remembering with gratitude, the One who Provides.....

Is 6121 about the dispute in the matter of food alone or regarding all the matters of dispute in your life? If you seek from Allah alone, then you will know for sure, "Yes. This verse cites food only as an example to make clear to one that it is mandatory that you should turn only towards the Quran of Allah; and take not to the Book which Rashad invented in consultation with the devil that forced Rashad to be proud of His 19 formula and further directing Rashad all he had to do is to clip away the verses and truncate the Quran of Allah. turn only towards the Quran of Allah seeking His Guidance alone to understand and practice it."

Peace

Bahman

But you are following what was with your idol rashad khalifa and not following what is revealed to you. Does the verse say you shall all follow what is revealed to you through your idol rashad; or that which is revealed to you from your Lord direct?

1997 i was agnostic and an incident encourage me to search in internet for existence of God with same quaetions asking religiouse poeple prove INVISIBLE God first then show me a sign for his existence like apple falling from tree due to INVISIBLE Gravity and or like compass needle stays in direction of north and south due to INVISIBLE Magnetic line of force. .
My search took me to this file
11] In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.*

*11 The first verse in the Quran represents the foundation upon which a superhuman 19-based mathematical miracle is built. This important statement consists of 19 Arabic letters, and every word in it occurs in the whole Quran in multiples of 19 (see Appendices 1 & 29 for the details).
*11-7 Sura 1 is God's gift to us to establish contact with Him through the daily Contact Prayers. This fact is supported by an earth-shattering, simple-to-understand-but- impossible-to-imitate mathematical composition that challenges the greatest mathematicians on earth, and stumps them; it is far beyond human capabilities
(1) The sura number, followed by the numbers of verses, next to each other, give 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. This number is a multiple of 19.

I rejected this one as any book with ame nymber of verses can have same product

(2) If we substitute the number of letters per verse in place of verse numbers, we get 1 19 17 12 11 19 18 43. This number is also a multiple of 19.
My response was coincidence

(3) If we insert the total gematrical value of every verse, we get 1 19 786 17 581 12 618 11 241 19 836 18 1072 43 6009. This number is a multiple of 19.

Here i was amazing how this can be done.

Verse No. of Gematrical
No. Letters Value
1 19 786
2 17 581
3 12 618
4 11 241
5 19 836
6 18 1072
7 43 6009

Totals 139 10143

(4) The number shown above includes all parameters of Sura 1, and consists of 38 digits (19x2).
(5) It is noteworthy that this 38-digit number is still divisible by 19 when we write its components backwards, from right to left as practiced by the Arabs. Thus, 6009 43 1072 18 836 19 241 11 618 12 581 17 786 19 1 is also a multiple of 19.
Here then believed that no human can produce one like it.
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For 14 years I have posted this on amy forum and asking many well educated mathemtician if they can produce one. How about you Dr Fazi ?

and later I found whole chaopter done
http//creatorsignature.com/19key.jpg

I was lucky that knew Arabic Alphabet to understand that how about you? Do you know Arabic? Do you understand INTERLOCK in above patterns. ?

Is Quran a jargon with junk letters; or do you think Quran is only for maths followers? Or Quran is even for the illiterate?

I am not sure how many of those Arabic spoken people are well educated are interested to read Quran and i am not sure how many of those billion called falsely Muslim hence they have deserted Quran and follow their religious readers have study Quran and examined the their parents belief and not following blindly? Hoe about you?
M For months I did not know who discovered it , no matter who found it as it is not work of human but Creator which has created another Miracle to enlighten vield eye of all corrupted riligion including Islam abusing name of God and Quran and you wrongly supporting such idolization blindly. I follow Rashad only for his monotheism and uniting humanity under one Book which has proof for its divinity and it will not be consider man mad like other scriptures.

I want to proceed further after I fix this first. Because you are an idol worshiper in rashad as of now.

I do not agree with all opinion of Rashad and as human meagerness of God can be influenced by negative path ( Satan) like previous ones.
Please go back and answer my question before fixing anything )
Peace

Bahman

Why did you stop there? Will you not continue the ayat to learn what you have to follow if you are a believer?

peace
I have studied Quran for 14 years, Quran is revaeld for all generations up to end of world and each verse and message belongs to situation and level of human knowledge, You can not invite womens with high level education and as nation leaders for borrowing money to bring another women to put her finger as uneducated one under the contract

Two men shall serve as witnesses; if not two men, then a man and two women whose testimony is acceptable to all 2282 .

Nothing wrong with such message for places that their Satanic leaders forbid female going to school and are in same life style like 1400 years ago. But today we borrow money from financial institution which is run by Satan to make rich richer and poor poorer. )

GW we go over the instructions in Quran and find which one deals with our era.

Leave alone manipulation of Quran.

You stop accusation without examining and understanding Miracle.

Rashad threw away the ayats of Quran because of his pride that the ayats did not suit his formula. Should Rashad not know that he should have pushed his 19 formula into the dustbin because he was check-mated and made to meet his Waterloo in those two verses by Allah, The Almighty?

Wonder what area is your PHD with such shallow and nonsense accusation. or that DR front of your id is just dr not DR )

Show us one item here relates to 2 verses removed. That is his later discovery. The mani core of Miracle embedded into 14 Initials on top of 29 chapter and has no link to removing 2 verses
His claim for 2 verses in based on history now we have Purified Quran by removing 2 Satanic verses there is no provability to add or deduct even one letter or number.

No Rashad has gone astray. And you are his follower. Please follow Allah alone, the Only A'alim.

I am following Quran Alone ( for proof for existence of) God Alone and follow messages that yet are applicable.

The proof of my promise that I bear witness that Allah and His Quran alone is sufficient for my entire life - is I eat no one's brain nor do I follow any one's translation but what is revealed to me by Allah direct as I read the TEXT of Quran, and as a result no evil has touched me, my family and all those thousands who have been following Quran this way of learning Quran directly from Allah. And because I follow Allah there is no worry nor fear except that I have fear for Allah, Almighty.

Which Quran? )

In 3146 the difference is between a prophet and those with him being killed, while in the other the difference only means that they fought by his side.

Verse counts for Hafs are 6236, while Warsh records 6214(other versions record 6616, 6217, 6204, and.........

You are running away from my question and its wasting time when you do same thing that those mullah do, diverting from subject to save their false learning and hide their corruption as has done for 1400 years .I feel sorry for such darkened mind , here is place for free minds not people lie you, go do your idolization as your parents and your teacher done and remeber these post and date in day of judgement
Peace

Bahman

6121
Taste not the fruits of the worldly things without remembering with gratitude, the One who Provides.....

Is 6121 about the dispute in the matter of food alone or regarding all the matters of dispute in your life? If you seek from Allah alone, then you will know for sure, "Yes. This verse cites food only as an example to make clear to one that it is mandatory that you should turn only towards the Quran of Allah; and take not to the Book which Rashad invented in consultation with the devil that forced Rashad to be proud of His 19 formula and further directing Rashad all he had to do is to clip away the verses and truncate the Quran of Allah. turn only towards the Quran of Allah seeking His Guidance alone to understand and practice it."

Peace

Peace
Devil told you that Rashad was consulting him. Shame that you are accusing a death man which proudly put his life for God's Miracle and God path to save poeple like you that blindyly following your parent belief hiding under cyber id and accusing others like you parent and teachers has done it. You are following corrupter of religions, the only thing satisfy you is your presence with different clothing, beard and hat or change suite to 3 pieces but your mind is locked into your childhood brainwashing
Introducing Quran your way bleongs to 1400 years ago after prophet by Satanic followers which added 2 verses to bring human same level of God as Raheem to create monarchy and invade other lands abusing name of Quran and Allah for their own satanic desire with force of swords which yet is going one and they are killing each other when either side have Quran in their hand and scream Allah.
Or for greed and power they take over governments and rape, torture,kill their own people, shame on people that support such tyrannous and bloody system which has no place in God word which brings peace,love and care to humanity.

Repent to day and you do not need to defend Quran as no matter how much you know, you are painting on water with no base and proof, not many agree with your manner if they are free minds.
I am not discussing with you more unless you answer my clear questions.
refuging into God Avoiding Satan
1/26/2013 82257 PM

drfazl

*11 The first verse in the Quran represents the foundation upon which a superhuman 19-based mathematical miracle is built. This important statement consists of 19 Arabic letters, and every word in it occurs in the whole Quran in multiples of 19 (see Appendices 1 & 29 for the details).
*11-7 Sura 1 is God's gift to us to establish contact with Him through the daily Contact Prayers. This fact is supported by an earth-shattering, simple-to-understand-but- impossible-to-imitate mathematical composition that challenges the greatest mathematicians on earth, and stumps them; it is far beyond human capabilities
(1) The sura number, followed by the numbers of verses, next to each other, give 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. This number is a multiple of 19.

I rejected this one as any book with ame nymber of verses can have same product

(2) If we substitute the number of letters per verse in place of verse numbers, we get 1 19 17 12 11 19 18 43. This number is also a multiple of 19.
My response was coincidence

(3) If we insert the total gematrical value of every verse, we get 1 19 786 17 581 12 618 11 241 19 836 18 1072 43 6009. This number is a multiple of 19.

Here i was amazing how this can be done.

Verse No. of Gematrical
No. Letters Value
1 19 786
2 17 581
3 12 618
4 11 241
5 19 836
6 18 1072
7 43 6009

Totals 139 10143

(4) The number shown above includes all parameters of Sura 1, and consists of 38 digits (19x2).
(5) It is noteworthy that this 38-digit number is still divisible by 19 when we write its components backwards, from right to left as practiced by the Arabs. Thus, 6009 43 1072 18 836 19 241 11 618 12 581 17 786 19 1 is also a multiple of 19.
Here then believed that no human can produce one like it.
(
For 14 years I have posted this on amy forum and asking many well educated mathemtician if they can produce one. How about you Dr Fazi ?

and later I found whole chaopter done
http//creatorsignature.com/19key.jpg

I was lucky that knew Arabic Alphabet to understand that how about you? Do you know Arabic? Do you understand INTERLOCK in above patterns. ?

From this what I learn from you is unless one who is lucky enough to know Arabic, Quran is out of bounds to them. And also secondly, unless one is a maths wizard and has the ability to understand interlock patterns Quran is not for them. And then, you have to be well-versed in Arabic to get anywhere near Quran. Am I right?

I believe unless one ponders, reminisces, reflects and strive to rehearse every single ayat with sense of justification and purity at heart alone can even touch Quran. If you really need to know the ayats ask for it I will produce them.

Now I want the ayat from you that says Quran is meant only for Arabic pundits and scholars; and meant only for mathematicians with sound knowledge in interlock patterns.

I am independent learner of Quran without being tainted by mullahs and madrasahs. I am the one who disengaged from the parental pseudo religion called Islam.

M For months I did not know who discovered it , no matter who found it as it is not work of human but Creator which has created another Miracle to enlighten vield eye of all corrupted riligion including Islam abusing name of God and Quran and you wrongly supporting such idolization blindly. I follow Rashad only for his monotheism and uniting humanity under one Book which has proof for its divinity and it will not be consider man mad like other scriptures.

I do not want to be blind. Show me a plain ayat that says about interlock patterns and sound Arabic knowledge is essential to prove this Quran is from Allah. Before that I will show you the verse how to testify that this is from Allah and not from man.

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Do they not then reflect on the verses of Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

Prove with your ayat now.

Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

I do not agree with all opinion of Rashad and as human meagerness of God can be influenced by negative path ( Satan) like previous ones.
Please go back and answer my question before fixing anything )

I think it is your turn now.

Peace

drfazl

peace
I have studied Quran for 14 years, Quran is revaeld for all generations up to end of world and each verse and message belongs to situation and level of human knowledge, You can not invite womens with high level education and as nation leaders for borrowing money to bring another women to put her finger as uneducated one under the contract

Two men shall serve as witnesses; if not two men, then a man and two women whose testimony is acceptable to all 2282 .

Nothing wrong with such message for places that their Satanic leaders forbid female going to school and are in same life style like 1400 years ago. But today we borrow money from financial institution which is run by Satan to make rich richer and poor poorer.

Where is the need for you to jump from 262 to 2282 irrelevantly? Clearly you are out of context here.

GW we go over the instructions in Quran and find which one deals with our era.
You stop accusation without examining and understanding Miracle.

I am not accusing! I just want you to justify reason why you removed Allah's Ayats in sura Tauba and destroyed Quran thereby totally.

Wonder what area is your PHD with such shallow and nonsense accusation. or that DR front of your id is just dr not DR

There you are going very personal showing your intolerance as you grow weaker in your defence.

Now we have Purified Quran by removing 2 Satanic verses there is no provability to add or deduct even one letter or number.
I am following Quran Alone ( for proof for existence of) God Alone and follow messages that yet are applicable.

You call the verses of Allah as satanic verses because satan did not like those 2 verses? How do you call your Quran as purified while you fell prostrated to the likes and dislikes of satan; and when you abide by his order and removed the said verses?

Which Quran? You are running away from my question and its wasting time w

Not the Satanic Quran of Rashad! I am not running away; it seems your wits are running out of your time. I am following my Quran which has not been adulterated by satan.

Peace

drfazl

Peace
Devil told you that Rashad was consulting him. Shame that you are accusing a death man which proudly put his life for God's Miracle and God path to save poeple like you that blindyly following your parent belief hiding under cyber id and accusing others like you parent and teachers has done it. You are following corrupter of religions, the only thing satisfy you is your presence with different clothing, beard and hat or change suite to 3 pieces but your mind is locked into your childhood brainwashing
Introducing Quran your way bleongs to 1400 years ago after prophet by Satanic followers which added 2 verses to bring human same level of God as Raheem to create monarchy and invade other lands abusing name of Quran and Allah for their own satanic desire with force of swords which yet is going one and they are killing each other when either side have Quran in their hand and scream Allah.
Or for greed and power they take over governments and rape, torture,kill their own people, shame on people that support such tyrannous and bloody system which has no place in God word which brings peace,love and care to humanity.

Repent to day and you do not need to defend Quran as no matter how much you know, you are painting on water with no base and proof, not many agree with your manner if they are free minds.
I am not discussing with you more unless you answer my clear questions.
refuging into God Avoiding Satan
1/26/2013 82257 PM

I am sorry I have not offended any one intentionally but my offence is against shaitan. Rashad just fell a prey to satan by a thread from him. Allah might forgive Rashad; Allah is the only judge; we do not judge here. We all seek forgiveness to ourselves and others. Had he lived today he might have undone the damage he had caused to Quran. The killers of Dr Rashad Khalifa will be in hell for sure for they took the judgment in their hands belying that Allah is the only Judge. Thus the killers are the disbelievers in Allah and the Last Day. I am sorry. I did not mean to demean anybody. I am here to discuss and exchange my view points.

I pray for you; you pray for me.

Salam, Bahman

drfazl

Noon_waalqalami

Is Quran a jargon with junk letters; or do you think Quran is only for maths followers? Or Quran is even for the illiterate?

Peace, the numerologists are the most ignorant of basic math concepts.

My search took me to this file
11] In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.*

Here i was amazing how this can be done.

Verse No. of Gematrical
No. Letters Value
1 19 786
2 17 581
3 12 618
4 11 241
5 19 836
6 18 1072
7 43 6009

Totals 139 10143

For 14 years I have posted this on amy forum and asking many well educated mathemtician if they can produce one. How about you Dr Fazi ?

Peace -- the above is simple numerology junk (7431 ... and not We made their count only temptation for those who disbelieved/reject...) easily done with most any text and interlock is nonsense suggestive thoughts in your head...

in name BaHMaN
26040 254050 13020084050 13020081040

w l tl wgv lgv lgv-added
1 3 3 102 26040 2 62 102
2 4 7 97 254050 104 109 149 199
3 6 13 329 13020084050 200 230 430 438 478 528
4 6 19 289 13020081040 529 559 759 767 777 817

Fact 1 19 Letters
Fact 2 817 Total Geometrical Value = 43 x 19
Fact 3 102 3 3 97 4 7 329 6 13 289 6 19
Fact 4 102 3 26040 97 4 254050 329 6 13020084050 289 6 13020081040
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The book is Qur'an written in the media of the mind which contains the guidance ...

151 ALR these verses the book and Qur?an/recitation clear

3669 and not We taught him the poetry and not it befitting for him indeed it only remembrance and Qur?an/recitation clear

7517 indeed upon Us its collection and its Qur?an/recitation
7518 so when We recited it so follow its Qur?an/recitation
7519 furthermore indeed upon Us its explanation
7520 nay rather you love the immediate
7521 and leave the afterlife

Bahman

From this what I learn from you is unless one who is lucky enough to know Arabic, Quran is out of bounds to them.

Pleas read this tread

I am not sure why Rashad used Mathematical for his discovery, general public mathematic means calculating using number for formula and equation, a primary school student cn understand it easily which is pure number interlocked to each other and there is no other way to fit unless changing understanding Interlock is very simple and simplest one is jig saw puzzle which there is only one way for fitting each peace and no probability, which is interlock, I call Miracle
Numerical Textual Security Interlocking System

And then, you have to be well-versed in Arabic to get anywhere near Quran. Am I right?

For meaning you are and yet you may be another translation differing from others, I prefer to use translation for reading but for witnessing God's design of text and how is interlocked knowing alphabet is enough, it can bee witnessed even by one letter Q which have same shape as English or simplest one
is this one

I believe unless one ponders, reminisces, reflects and strive to rehearse every single ayat with sense of justification and purity at heart alone can even touch Quran. If you really need to know the ayats ask for it I will produce them.

God made it easy to understand and we should stay away from making it difficult, God is only teacher of Quran , in older time our parents were illiterate and school ans cholar were teaching words of God in all religions, now we have proof for Quran and this screen , slowly those school get empty unless forcing people to attend, this screen is best source for study and no scholar can replace it. There would not be paid job as scholar for explaining God's words as God warned prophet is not his duty to explain.

Now I want the ayat from you that says Quran is meant only for Arabic pundits and scholars; and meant only for mathematicians with sound knowledge in interlock patterns.

Not such verse exist and in above I have explained it that we do not need Mathematic jus 4 arithmetic functions -+/* little patience and knowing how interlock works in text like Q in chapter 50

I am independent learner of Quran without being tainted by mullahs and madrasahs. I am the one who disengaged from the parental pseudo religion called Islam.

Masha Allah, that is great and you are right but you need water in your tank and you need proof for Quran other way it is another scripture like the previous one.
God bless you for your clear path.

I do not want to be blind. Show me a plain ayat that says about interlock patterns and sound Arabic knowledge is essential to prove this Quran is from Allah. Before that I will show you the verse how to testify that this is from Allah and not from man.

I am not rejecting Text Miracle of Quran in its time and even now for those like you know good Arabic.
Writting such rhymes and deepness in meaning which loose it in translation could not be work of prophet that only knew ABJAD for his business. But as time change and people can imitate it then God reveals new Miracle challenging the knowledge of human in that Era, in Moses time magics were populate and and may may claim their work is divine. so God supported Moses with best as Miracle and opening sea which was using sight,in Jesus time medication and recovering sick people was populate and God supported the only prophet with God's soul with miraclouse rev covering, In time of prophet Mohammed already Bible were produced and learning reading and writing poems were populate. Then God supported prophet with ever best rhyme in Arabic language which may they understand it.
But god knows future and knew human will discover this screen and his knowledge reach to a point that imitate His work in Quran like this
http//suralikeit.com
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When we abrogate any miracle, or cause it to be forgotten, we produce a better miracle, or at least an equal one. Do you not recognize the fact that God is Omnipotent?
The excellency an deepness of Arabic Quran can not be seen by 7 billions poeple as they do not know Arabic.

My Arabic is not enough to find if that writing has same value as Quran has but I reject it because do not have same protection with letters and numbers.

we produce a better miracle

Now we are at Hi Tech era and all our destine are based on numbers.
God clearly say
We do not see direct verses in Quran referring to count numbers in Quran but

....He is fully aware of what they have. He has counted the numbers of all things.7228

When God say all things from DNA to unverses how we can exclude Quran which is His DESIGN
,
Then is authored

I swear by the positions of the stars. This is an oath, if you only knew, that is awesome.*
This is an honorable Quran. In a protected book. None can grasp it except the sincere.*A revelation from the Lord of the universe.5870-85
I have posted verses that call those i INITIALS secret and proof for book.

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Do they not then reflect on the verses of Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.
Prove with your ayat now.
Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.
I think it is your turn now.

dis?crep?an?cy
/diskrepns/
Noun
A lack of compatibility or similarity between two or more facts.
Synonyms
variance - difference - disagreement - contradiction

I have not claimed for any discrepancy but manipulation which is 9128-129
peace

Bahman

Where is the need for you to jump from 262 to 2282 irrelevantly? Clearly you are out of context here.

peace
Oldness, low visions mistake sorry mean 262 )

I am not accusing! I just want you to justify reason why you removed Allah's Ayats in sura Tauba and destroyed Quran thereby totally.

Rashad has removed and has explained why? and I accept as is rejected in hundred cases and finally in final discovery of whole book which do not function with those verses
http//purified-scripture.com/

There you are going very personal showing your intolerance as you grow weaker in your defence.

It is not personal when you added to your name, the reason iam asking is if your PHD has any link with theology and Quarn study .

You call the verses of Allah as satanic verses because satan did not like those 2 verses? How do you call your Quran as purified while you fell prostrated to the likes and dislikes of satan; and when you abide by his order and removed the said verses?

You are repeating same question in many different ways and such discussion could be tiring and no ending one if you do not read material I post and pinpoint the flaw .

Not the Satanic Quran of Rashad! I am not running away; it seems your wits are running out of your time. I am following my Quran which has not been adulterated by satan.

Expecting more valuable and reasonable response than this for question, you should come with some answere which of those Quran are the right copy of burnt one. ?
Peace

Bigmo

Peace everybody.
I have tried to retire from this forum few times but still I am here )
I have been enough here and is time to stay away from any discussion after this topic.