Do we need books to believe in God?
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One of the greatest misconceptions of all time is that the quran belongs to any certain group or religion, or vice versa, that any certain religion or grouping is more related to the quran than any other part of humanity. It is with this idea that everything begins to fail and crumble and a blinding misunderstanding of the quran takes form. So, while Islam (the world religion) follows a twisted and sick interpretation of the quran.... the real message and spirit of the quran has no kinship with this Islam, and is hence forgotten and hidden from plain sight. This religion has hijacked a great arabic word and turned it into its own name.... such an formidable deceit and lie.
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The most despised cursed society, this, Islamic. The less we talk of or even think about these people, would bring more glad tidings from Allah. May Allah bless us all.
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Refreshing the topic and may you have some idea too )
I have explained why we should read our book but do not brain wash our children with our understanding and let them do their own search when they reach to age 14-16 and access to this screen.
It is almost one year and only 30 people share the idea here. The reason for such low result is due to religious category of publicizing the concept. Each have their own book or same book but different ideas and then what would happen if we close all those 4200 books and stop teaching them, it is end of religious corporations. Unemployed clergies and scholars which majority of them are living by explaining God's word when God's prophet was not allowed to teach and explain without PAY. -
Someone else have taken that job and they are brainwashed anyway.. so as the adults
They have already implanted the subliminal ideas into your subconscious mind.. miracles! magic!
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=plcVyx6V7ms
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=QObPj36CV9Ethe consequences...
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=67tE0UD4PhE
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcmTbFM1S7sand you still believe that you are going to rely or solve this through numbers? laugh
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Peace Bahman.
The " books" are becoming less and less. anyway How many bookshops are closing or changing into other...
The World Wide Webb ( WWW ) will slowly kill the " books".
By the way W = " " in Arabic its numerical value is 6 .( WWW = 666).The mark of the beast or the awaken er for the masses?
It is interesting how in sura 47 called " Muhammed" God says
... If you turn away, He will substitute other people in your place, and they will not be like you.
God is talking to those who think they own Qoran but have abused and are still abusing Qoran.
Praise be to God ,Lord of the universe.Peace to you.
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Do we need 19 to believe in God?
No. We don't.
Quranically speaking, to believe in God is to ponder Quranic texts and study nature and reflect.
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To believe we need Faith only.
God bless you
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Peace with you all, sun
".. to believe in God is to ponder Quranic texts and study nature and reflect".
Yes, I emphasis this one.
Why do we need books, prophets, ect... Well, I think because human beings need warning and to be reminded because with the time people mix the true message with tradition or cult, or what ever - human being recollect yourself!
To bethink oneself of the logical thinking and to comprehend that we can't go true a wall, means we can't change the nature rules. Not only we are allowed to govern the earth, it's more our dealing with everything what God left us in trust on this earth and to treat that righteous. For me that is responsibility.
As a side note So I am responsible for the hungry, although I give something from my income. But that isn't
real help. Real help would be to don't take anything from the poor, means to not harm their life -physical and
psychological (a.ex. exploitation). The same counts for the nature. For me that means peace. All
mentioned is only an approach that I try to keep with me.Do we need holy books? I think not everyone needs a holy book to believe in a creator, because this kernel is in us.
Sometimes we need, because we need maybe an approval for that what we think or belief; Uncertainty belongs to the human nature.To believe in God is a private issue, because it is personal and individual matter between a human being and God.
May God lead us to the right path
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Do we need 19 to believe in God?
No. We don't.
Quranically speaking, to believe in God is to ponder Quranic texts and study nature and reflect.
Not spamming numbers.Peace
Missing this tread for while, God authored several time that Quran is confirming previous scripture , how Quran can do this hence do not have any proof like previous scriptures, the only proof for existence of God and His words is design of superhuman Textual Numerical Interlocking System which can be witnessed and understand by those that have knowledge of INTERLOCK.
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Are you refereing that the Quran is a book ?
I don't think it is a book. A book needs structure yet the Quran does not have structure . Often the topics are mixed and over lapping . The Quran seems to hold to story structure as well. The last thing I can say is that this Quran can never be a book , it is a " Kitab " . A Kitab is not just a book . Now a day Arabic has spoiled our understanding . A Kitab seems to be much more than a book . It is more interactive in a way as if changing . But back to your question if I was to assume do we need Quran to believe in god . I would say no , but we need Quran to be guided in what is better for us . To now what is belief is it the picture or the idea is that belief or could there be some thing else , could belief in Quran mean liberation from preconception . Set your self free . You still think like you are owned by an idea . Let the Quran liberate you my friend .
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Are you refereing that the Quran is a book ?
I don't think it is a book. A book needs structure yet the Quran does not have structure . Often the topics are mixed and over lapping . The Quran seems to hold to story structure as well. The last thing I can say is that this Quran can never be a book , it is a " Kitab " . A Kitab is not just a book . Now a day Arabic has spoiled our understanding . A Kitab seems to be much more than a book . It is more interactive in a way as if changing . But back to your question if I was to assume do we need Quran to believe in god . I would say no , but we need Quran to be guided in what is better for us . To now what is belief is it the picture or the idea is that belief or could there be some thing else , could belief in Quran mean liberation from preconception . Set your self free . You still think like you are owned by an idea . Let the Quran liberate you my friend .
Peace.Peace.
There are 4200 cults including Islam ( Sunni and Shia) and every single one claiming their book is right and is Kitab.
The only book that has proof and represent its divinity according to this era knowledge is its own Miracle which can be witnessed and examined any time any where on this screen is Quran , the context of Quran regardless stories and law and rules which relates to its time and location are completion of previous Krtabs as is claimed. The essence of this Kitab is authored in 262.The main issue of this concept is to stop brainwashing our children by our understanding which usually is following parent belief blindly. World situation is changed and our children reaching certain age asking about Creation can search on this screen for the truth.
Division and differences in understanding Kitabs has caused many bloodshed and yet do.
Let us read our book and discuss it as these discussions could lead younger generation to right path. Is long term process and may take few decades but worth for future peace if Satan do not influence.
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Peace,
I take kitaab as meaning message or even lore. It is in an abstract sense, ie non-physical, and it is quran that is the real word for book.
An important part of God's book contains an illogical reference to kitaab as physical book since Abraham revealed no book, if one chooses to translate it as such. And there would be several books out there if all instances of kitaab would be translated as physical books. And no books were written in first-person view and which author writing would write about himself in third-person if they were part of it?
And in addition to this God's book refers to a singular ketaab so then what sort of book was that because it is clear in the narration that it is not what you refer to as Quran. The Book refers to ketaab as a Grand Message or Grand Lore when it refers to ketaab. Ahle ketaab is like followers of the Message.
In case you say that Abraham wrote a book then what did he write about?
And if you have witnessed the Torah (teachings) of Moses then you basically know the Message. God's book reveals that Moses was the one who received something physical from God and that was it, and after that it is the Gospel of Jesus which is an abstract reminder and some news for the Believers. The Book is yet another and this time physical reminder and some additional news for the Believers (news = elaboration on the teachings). It was for the first time a fully detailed and comprehensive Message compared to the short revelation given to Moses.
My only logical conclusion that I came to myself is that ketaab cannot mean a physical book but for that sake perhaps abstract book although I would say something else like Lore or similar. I tend to use Message for simplicity.
There are even people who argue that Quran is a recitation and not book but then ketaab must follow the same logic. I say that man's obsession with physical items is playing tricks on people and man is turning it into an idol. It is part of a grand message not confined to some physical book. People do not understand what God means when He says fully detailed because they stare themselves blind at their perceived physical object. And the Message in The Book is fully detailed because it is so very simple that it is laughable to those who claim otherwise and it is repeated over and over and over again in The Book and that is Believe while being good people by upholding or establishing a system of justice and fairness. It is not rocket science.
And even a complete ignorant knower of Arabic could work that out.
You could basically throw your book over your shoulder and remember to be good and not evil and know that God is your only Lord. Of course you miss the good tips and tricks from it so until you remember its helping words by heart you may as well read and read. Be mindful of God and keep your bond with Him always and purify your mind. May the Force (of God) be with you.
God bless you
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Do we need books to believe in God?
It's like How we know the "god" withouth books/Scriptures?
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It's like How we know the "god" withouth books/Scriptures?
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It gives us "realm" data (3) as proposed in my thread Nearness and Guidance. We can know about God without knowing the scriptures but we may gain additional Knowledge and Wisdom from the Messages of God. However, that is not all means of gaining it as God works on multiple dimensions. Verbal transmission of the Knowledge is also possible through a wise man who is blessed by The Lord and many of those in known narrations went away to be tutored such as Moses is rumored to have gone to Jethro to serve him and it is inclined that he also is taught Wisdom and Knowledge. Abraham is rumored to have gone to the house of Noah I think from reading a book called "Book of Jasher". It is a myth that has emerged that we cannot use those who have gained Wisdom and Knowledge to seek inspiration and spiritual development. If one is blessed by The Lord and well-founded in Knowledge and Wisdom why should we not go to him because he is like a spiritual powerhouse. That is what drew people to the Prophets and Messengers of old.
And the Message is simple; Faith in The Lord and advocate righteousness by establishing or maintaining a system of Justice and sound Judgment. We are told to communicate with The Lord frequently throughout the day and this is the way we are helped to do this. The Lord will channel Inspiration and Guidance to the one who calls upon his Lord and lead him straight, but only as long as the person purifies his deeds steadfastly and patiently and uses the brain, hearing and eye-sight that The One blessed him with. There was a reason why God equipped this subjects with senses if you only knew.
The Message will turn obvious for the one who drops all the conjecture, idolatry, his ego and turns himself to God alone, and you shall see that the Message was almost laughably simple when you see the Message "with your own eyes".
The way we are helped by traveling or searching contact with blessed people is that their strength in spirituality is spreading and they can share their Wisdom and Knowledge in what is more right in Judgment and Justice through the active Guidance of The Lord. It is not the words of the blessed one but from the one who blessed him, and as you can guess all good comes from God and the bad comes from ourselves. It is not for a blessed one to teach strange rituals or for them to follow any other than God alone. What we should follow when we follow a Messenger of God is his example, i.e. his complete devotion to God alone and adopting his Judgment and Justice that is from The Lord but it is not blindly following just about anything but utilizing the brain that your Lord equipped you with. What the Messenger did should be an inspiration for you to activate your own mind and thinking, and the best teachings are done through parables as demonstrated by The Book (Qur'an). It is also a sales technique utilized by skilled salesmen in our daily lives and it works very well on the human mind.
It is the moral standards and thus the sound Judgment of the one who is blessed that ought to be adopted from the one you wish to seek inspiration from. Take many good examples from The Book, but it could be from anywhere of one who tells a wise story that is promoting Justice and rejecting selfishness and injustice. You need to make sure that people are treated fairly and not transgress when people are treating you unfairly but seeking a conversion from that behavior for those who perform the unrighteous deeds that they convert to God's system and not follow the one of Shaytaan and his followers.
This is thus why I reject the complete obsession with The Book (Qur'an) and I think this idolization is preventing people from seeing the Message in its true Light. The Message IS NOT confined to physical books and this message I try to convey plentifully wherever I get the chance. It may also be the reason why there was no distinct book before The Book because the Realm data was spread across mankind and the Judgment and Justice was that taught by the short inscription given to Moses and was accepted as the general rule of thumb for a long period and even Jesus follow that and showed people that we can elaborate on this law as long as we remain fair in our Judgment and Justice and remain fully devoted to The Lord.
The Book (Qur'an) shows that people cannot refrain from idolization and get completely soaked up by any material thing disregarding its spiritual and abstract source. Ironically it is translated and understood as "The Recitation" which ought to make it less of a concrete object.
If it was not for the repetitive nature of The Book and all parables it could teach what it needed in less than a dozen pages, but that was not the whole point of it. Like for many other people its composition has puzzled me and there is no distinct structure in the narration but more like jumping from one parable to another and sometimes changing topic and could also be feeling more like an imperfect conversation. Point is that God wanted it this way, but nothing should be blamed on Him. It truly feels like God inspired him (Muhammad?) to write down words that sprung to mind and not so much in an organized manner, and he was attended to by Gabriel. But the prophet wrote down words clearly presented for him because else it would be pretty grotesque considered the person view. All the "say" commands clearly seem to indicate that writings that he wrote down were intended to be used as a help when he met people to talk about God. If the narration was written by a human author it is indicating severe mental disorder because it would not make sense at all, yet there is immense Wisdom and Knowledge within its passages that could not originate from a madman and someone who is not close to God.
The Book also shows a little hint how stunted God's inspiration and guidance can emerge at any time.
If you know your Realm knowledge you know that Abraham grew up with a polytheistic father and thus he could not develop his spirituality through him and could be a reason why he left his home town of Ur. It is highly probable that he went off searching for where he could be with people who were more close to God and likely the narration that he went to the house of Noah away from his father is true. It is a logical move nonetheless from that perspective.
Most sons of righteous fathers could be fostered and taught the right path from their own father and did not need to go elsewhere. And we are taught to show great respect to our parents as far as coming as a rule from The Lord, and even without this commandment it ought to come naturally. Despite that Abraham's father treated him badly his son did not respond in wrath but was relatively kind towards his father and even pledged to ask for forgiveness on his account to The Lord which God however rejected of course, but Abraham was a kind man and God knew this and this is why Abraham is always portrayed as a grand role model for God's system and of serving God alone.
Those who have the proper approach to God's system and are thus guided will realize that there is something wrong in tradition and how Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism or Judaism etc have come along. It is always a good idea that has turned horribly wrong due to man's tendency to idolize those who possess Knowledge and Wisdom. I swear that none of these people ever asked for the publicity that they have gained, i.e. Muhammad, Jesus, Buddha, Zoroaster or whoever came around with a Message of God were advocating full devotion to God and never wanted to be treated the way they are treated up until now after their demise.
God bless you
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Peace everybody.
I have tried to retire from this forum few times but still I am here
I have been enough here and is time to stay away from any discussion after this topic.Do we need books to believe in God?
Either way yes or no please explain why?
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2 years later still here.
I came here to pick up url for this discussion.
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Salaam,
No. We do not need books to "believe" in God. We just need to work on our ways and make sure we become good humans. The nearness to God will more or less come automagically and through this obviously guidance. It is about affinity if one becomes spiritually enlightened. Texts such as Quran or the Biblical scriptures may help, but they are hardly essential, and people would know this if they have things clear to themselves. Also texts like Quran can turn a person away from God due to misinterpretation too.
Salaam
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I think belief should be based on understanding, and God created language as a means to understand. Belief is a good place to start, but greater understanding comes through the written word. I read somewhere words are alive, therefore they should not be taken for granted. If we look (or read) in the right place, then God can offer His guidance. To believe, we do not need books, but to know, we need books. They are a part of God's plan and provisions. Our minds are fed by them, and our hearts change through them. I do not believe, however, that we need every book, and only God's wisdom can lead us to the right book(s).
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. . . to believe Only in God, to make us stand firmly by Him during our testing times, to protect and correct us from the path of error and to Guide us in the Straight Path, the Luminous Book is absolutely essential.
Hmm... I think I agree.
I'm grateful to Allah for the Qur'an,
and I think I do perceive the Qur'an as a book.
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I am grateful to The Rabb for nearness and guidance, and knowledge and wisdom. That is more important than any specific text.
And affinity brings nearness which leads to guidance which in return leads to knowledge and wisdom. It is all interconnected.
Salaam