Who is ideal translator in your consideration?
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Earlier it was explained that exceptions are of two types; same kind and not same kind.
Salaamun alayka,
I do not agree nope
There is always a common denominator otherwise there can not be an exception (=ILLA).Information in the First Ayah is confirmation of communication of Qur'aan.
The desire, intent and objective of this communication is NOT that "you" to whom the Qur'aan is communicated might burden "yourself". There is a second person masculine pronoun in the verb "anta" meaning "you" and the verb is in subjunctive mood.
The objective of the communication is restricted by Illa to serve as a verbal reminder-frequented source for him - any unidentified person who is mindfully apprehensive of eventuality.
Relative pronoun does not refer to A B C person but to that person who is specified by the following relative linkage clause for the relative pronoun. The pronoun in the linkage relative clause which is a verb has third person mascuine pronoun referring to Man.
Can this "you" of 202 ONLY be Mohammed?
salaam,
Bender -
Salaam,
Then I think I misunderstood you again
what did you mean with "and sometimes the most controversial verses or topics such as 434 do not have a bracket for the most controversial part"
Salaam,
BenderSalaam,
Oh, I was referring to the point about interpretation of the text being the most important issue at hand, in my opinion. So its not just about brackets that can create issues with translations, its the whole interpretation of verses, words, etc as evidenced by 434 when interpreters/translators translate the last part of the verse as "beat your wife" which I completely disagree with.
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Salaamun alayka,
I do not agree nope
There is always a common denominator otherwise there can not be an exception (=ILLA).Information in the First Ayah is confirmation of communication of Qur'aan.
Can this "you" of 202 ONLY be Mohammed?
salaam,
BenderSalamun alaika,
Common denominator thought as restricted to persons seems the problem to perceive the information in the text. Common denominator ascribed in the Ayah is "Ma Anzalna" and its purpose is restricted by words Illa tazkeratan.
For convenice What is common denominator - ascription in this sentence I saw the travellers except their luggage.
It is seeing informing I saw the travellers only, I did not see their luggage.
Pronoun "Ka" in prepositional phrase "upon - to you" and pronoun "Anta" concealed in the second person subjunctive verb is exclusively for the Messenger Muhammad . Qur'aan was sent to him see 472.
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Salamun alaika,
Common denominator thought as restricted to persons seems the problem to perceive the information in the text. Common denominator ascribed in the Ayah is "Ma Anzalna" and its purpose is restricted by words Illa tazkeratan.
Salaamun alayka,
The negation in 202 + "exception" in 203 together are the common dominator.
If one reads 202 without the "MA" and instead of the "ILLA" a "WA" (in 203) then it makes it easier to understand what the common dominator is.For convenice What is common denominator - ascription in this sentence I saw the travellers except their luggage.
It is seeing informing I saw the travellers only, I did not see their luggage.I am not sure "common denominator" was a good choise of words from me but inshaAllah you understod what I meant.
In the sentence you mentioned, the "common denominator" is (The travellers + Their luggage)
You were expecting to see them (The travellers + Their luggage) as a whole, BUT you saw only the travellers, that's why you used "except".And yes I understand what you mean that they are of different kind, but there is alwas a relation.
Pronoun "Ka" in prepositional phrase "upon - to you" and pronoun "Anta" concealed in the second person subjunctive verb is exclusively for the Messenger Muhammad . Qur'aan was sent to him see 472.
If we hold only The Quran as our judge then it is very hard to proof this, there are a couple of things to ponder on.
-- If Allah wanted to use the name "Mohammed" or "messenger" in the ayaat then He for sure would be capable to do it, just like how he calls Musa several times by his name, when He calls him.
But He did not do it for a reason. So in my opinion a good translator should at least not put words in places when they are not there in arabic, or at least put it in brackets or as footnote, but not like how you did it with the word "messenger" in 202. It is there without brackets so someone who reads it without knowing arabic might think that in arabic the word also exist in that verse.-- If the ayaats were like this
202 We did not send down to you the Qur'an so you may suffer O Mohammed (or any specific name of a person).
203 It is but a reminder for he who is concerned.
Then the relation between 202 and 203 is making no sense at all. That is why imo no name is used but simply "you".-- about 472, first you have to proof to what the red part is referring to, Allah has anazala a lot of things
472 And those who believe and do good works, and believe in what was sent down to Mohammed, for it is the truth from their Lord, He cancels for them their sins, and relieves their concern.
and after that you have to proof that the "you" in 202 is referring ONLY to the Mohammed of 472.
With proof I mean only Quran ayaats.-- please take a look at the next ayaats
2136 Say "We believe in God and in what was onzila to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him we submit."2231 And if you have divorced the women, and they have reached their required interim period, then either you remain together equitably, or part ways equitably. And do not reconcile with them so you can harm them out of animosity; whoever does so is doing wrong to his soul; and do not take the revelations of God as mockery. And remember the blessings of God upon you, and what was anzala AAalaykum of the Book and the wisdom, He warns you with it. And be aware of God and know that God is knowledgeable of all things.
6114 "Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He anzala ilaykumu the Book fully detailed?" Those to whom We have given the Book know it is munazzalun from your Lord with the truth; so do not takoonanna who have doubt.
There are many many more, I see no exclusivity for Mohammed for something that is anzala from The One who has created the earth and the heavens above.
Also note in 6114 the changing in perspective, who is the "I" and who is the plural "you", why this change?Salaam,
Benderanyways we are going oftopic, but at least I gave my opinion about which translations I like and which not
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Salamun alaika,
Illa in Arabic and exceptive words in English are used for economy. In English example exception was about the act of seeing relating to two different things - genus . Use of except yielded economy of repeating the act.
Change of form of address by name or by pronoun does not change the actual person. Please run through some grammar book about the Arabic pronouns. Thereat, we might continue about "Ka" issue as to who is that person identified by it.
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If the ayaats were like this
202 We did not send down to you the Qur'an so you may suffer O Mohammed (or any specific name of a person).
203 It is but a reminder for he who is concerned.
Then the relation between 202 and 203 is making no sense at all. That is why imo no name is used but simply "you".Salamun alaika,
I think we also need to look at English grammar book. What you have written still does make a little sense. But you remove words after "you may suffer", both the sentences seem meaningless and contradictory.The conjunction "so" denotes in order that introduces the reason for doing what has just been mentioned. And what is mentioned before it is "We did not send the Qur'aan to you". And the whole sentence would be "We did not send the Qur'aan to you in order that you may suffer". This sentence in English does not confirm sending of Qur'aan but negation of sending.
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Restoring the thread to original question
Translating the text of Qur'aan Reason and the best approach for its translation.
(i) Translation theory----------Post 21
(ii) Superb system of transcription and translation of Information-Code the guidance in DNA---Post 22
(iii) Information code Guidance for self governing humanity endowed with will and liberty of choice---Post 22(iv) Information code necessary for relative time and space was transmitted in verbal form through certain book to individual nations.--------Pst 22
(v) Era of universalization of information Perpetual Universal information code Qur'aan communicated through Universal Messenger.
(vi) Grand Qur'aan being universal information-code and in Arabic needs to be translated for dissemination across the linguistic boundaries into non-Arab world.
(vii) Is Grand Qur'aan translatable? Yes, because it is neither poetry nor fiction.The last in the line of elevated Messengers of Allah the Exalted exclusively designated for and sent to individual nation was the distinguished, elevated and honoured Easa alai'his'slaam son of Maryam the truthful. He was sent as the Messenger of Allah the Exalted to the nation identified in timeline as the Sons-Posterity of Iesraa'eel . He was granted the book named -In'jeel
And We succeeded them by Easa son of Maryam on their successive pattern after Ms .
He acted as the Testifier-Affirmer-Certifier-Sanctifier-Authenticator of prevalent information before him which was truly the content of Tor'aat..
And We gave him the book named In'jeel. Regulation - information code for aright course of conduct was prescribed therein. And it had the illuminating light in its contents showing the straight path to destination.
And this book acted as affirmer and sanctifier of prevalent information before it which was truly the content of Tor'aat.
And this book served as a Guide and cautioning advice for those who endeavor to remain cautious and avoid conduct inspired and governed by emotion in reverence and fear of Allah the Exalted.Era of universalization of information.
Easa alai'his'slaam had pronounced informing the Posterity of Iesraa'eel"Moreover, my assignment is as the Pronouncer of glad news of one Messenger. His specific peculiarity is that he will corporeally come in the times after me. Other peculiarity of this Messenger is that his name is the admirer and praiser of Allah the Exalted."
His information and recognition of the Messenger who was to appear corporeally in physical realm after his death, at the point in time of this disclosure, was by the name Ahmad the admirer and praiser of Allah the Exalted. This disclosure was a pointer towards universalization henceforth his death. He disclosed that for sending information for universal purposes and application, the Sustainer Lord of all that exists was about to send the Universal Messenger the Messenger mentioned in the Mesaq Nabiyeen The Covenant between Allah the Exalted and His Chosen, Dignified and exalted Sincere Allegiants.** The news broken by Easa alai'his'slaam was witnessed as reality in just about half a millennium of his natural death
O you the Mankind, listen!
The Messenger has certainly come to you with infallible Information Qur'aan from your Sustainer Lord.
Therefore you people accept and believe him and the conveyed information. This is best course for you the humanity.You the Messenger pronounce
"Listen O you the Mankind; Indeed I am the Messenger of Allah the Exalted towards you people universally - all people collectively;Be it the living cell or the self governing humanity enjoying the personal will and liberty of choice, the information code for sustaining life and its aright functionality is transferred by the Creator through the courtesy of the Messenger
O you the Mankind, listen!
Primary Source of information irrefutably manifest in timeline has certainly just reached to you people from your Sustainer Lord.
And We have descended for you people Visible Light Qur'aan manifestly illuminator of Path.
There were always a Truth-bearer, Primary Source of Information and Evidence in timeline for various peoples of different geography. None is perhaps available now. However, they all are affirmed and incorporated in the Universal Criterion-Truth bearer Grand Qur'aanA book existed for guidance conveyance of knowledge Life Manual for each period of time.
Allah the Exalted obscures that about which He so wills,
and He the Exalted perpetuates that which He so wills.
Take note that the Mother of the Book has been sent from His Grace.Grand Qur'aan being universal information-code and in Arabic needs to be translated for dissemination across the linguistic boundaries into non-Arab world.
The Universal Messenger is perpetually the sole Warner and survivalist for all those whom Grand Qur'aan reaches in time and space"And this Qur'aan has verbally been communicated to me so that I may by it admonish and awaken you my contemporaries - people in my presence and all those people whomever this Qur'aan is transmitted in time and space".
You the Messenger pronounce "It is a fact that an evocative documentary Grand Qur'aan has since reached you people as verbal presentation from the Sustainer Lord of you people.
Thereby, whoever envisioned it he in fact visually perceived it for his personal good.
However, whoever displayed blindness to Verbal Documentary Qur'aan, thereby its effect will be on his own self.
Remain cognizant that I am certainly not corporeally the guard-onlooker upon you people."You the Messenger pronounce
"O you the Mankind! Know the fact that the Infallible Doctrine-Statement of Established Fact in the form of Grand Qur'aan has since reached to you people from your Sustainer Lord.
Therefore, in response the Qur'aan having reached to him, whoever endeavoured getting guided, thereby he is guiding-leading on the way only for his own self.
Similarly, the person who remained neglectful-indifferent towards Grand Qur'aan, thereby the consequential fact is that his strays-neglect has effect upon his own self.
Remain aware that I-Muhammad am not required or made responsible to act upon you people as disposer of affairs-caretaker-a guard".You the Messenger pronounce
"Listen O you the Mankind; Indeed I am but to act as Manifest Warner - Revivalist -Admonisher for you people"The Omnipresent, Perpetual, the Absolute is He the Exalted Who gradually communicated the Criterion to the Sincere Allegiant Muhammad of Him the Exalted.
The purpose of communication of the Criterion Qur'aan is that he may retain the status of a Revivalist-Warner-Awakener for peoples in time and space - the Worlds.People should realize that We have not sent you Muhammad but to act as the Messenger universally for the Living Humanity.
Your role is that of the guarantor-conveyor of glad tidings and revivalist-Warner-awakener.
However, the fact remains that many of the people do not accept it - intend to recognize this fact.The elevated Universal Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam pronounced that he is the Admonisher by using the information text-ed in Qur'aan for every such person in timeline whom it reached. Grand Qur'aan shares two elements of characteristic traits of the Elevated Universal Messenger, i.e. Bashir and Nazir.
It is a book of characteristic feature that its Aa'ya'at Unitary Verbal Passages are organized in distinct enclaves - individuated distinguishing and exposing information in a crystallized manner.
A compilation named Qur'aan having characteristic feature of transcription in Arabic language for people who obtain knowledge- learn it.
Qualitatively it is guarantor-conveyor of glad tidings and revivalist-Warner-awakener.
Thereat, despite deliverance most of them after having seen the Qur'aan have inclined themselves to turn away- refrain from it.
Thereby, they people persistently do not listen.Is Grand Qur'aan translatable? Yes, because it is neither poetry nor fiction.
The elevated Universal Messenger has orally and in writing passed on the Qur'aan to humanity exactly as Allah the Exalted compiled and communicated him in Arabic language. After having read that it is a message transcribed in Arabic language for the entire humanity and its status is of a permanent Bashir and Nazir guarantor-conveyor of glad tidings and of revivalist-Warner-awakener in time line, it may seem naive to ask this question.
However, certain texts are considered non-translatable or difficult to translate, or translation renders the original lost. Robert Lee Frost said "poetry is what is lost in translation."
We need not enter in controversy as to what Robert Frost intended when he said the above quote usually attributed to him. We might take it literally, that what constitutes poetry is lost when translated in another language. May be, the moment "imagination - emotion" is translated, vacuities become manifest. Qur'aan describes the majority of poets in these words
Know about the Poets, only the transgressors-deviants follow them in letter and spirit.
Have you not noticed that they roam-wander about in imagination in each valley-vacuity.
Moreover, they the poets narrate to people that which they themselves do not act upon.The Grand Qur'aan is not a book of poetry, but a book that crystallizes everything.
Know it that We did not teach poetry to him the Messenger . Nor it is befitting that he should desire learn it for himself.
This is not poetry, in fact it is but the Reminder-Admonisher-Revivalist and it is Qur'aan characteristically Explicit conveyor of information in succinct, individuated, distinct and crystallized manner.It is a fact that it Grand Qur'aan is certainly the Oral and written word-narration by the exalted Messenger.
Mind it that it the Grand Qur'aan is not the Oral and written word-expression of a poet.
Little is that which you people accept-believe-acknowledge.
Comic texts are notoriously difficult to translate. Noted British novelist Virginia Woolf once said that "humor is the first gift to perish in a foreign language". Grand Qur'aan is a unique book wherein it is stated that nothing relevant is neglected mention . Qur'aan is not a comic text that it might create difficulties for its translationTake note that it Grand Qur'aan is certainly a conclusive verbal statement characteristically elaborate, organized, differentiating and delineating, contrasting and isolating each element rendering it crystal clear.
And it does not comprise of the comic text.
Experts in translation study opine that non-fiction, on the other hand, is often very straight forward to translate, as meaning is all that is important.This Qur'aan is an explicit elucidation for the people at large.
And it is guidance and advice - disclosure of factual outcome of acts good and bad eventuality for those who endeavor to remain cautious and avoid conduct inspired and governed by emotion in reverence and fear of Allah the Exalted.This Grand Qur'aan is a delivered-transmitted conclusive proclamation for the Mankind.
The purpose is that with this they might get warned-admonished-awakened.This Qur'aan is an evocative documentary for the humanity.
Moreover this is a Guide and Mercy-Blessing for the people who have conviction-firm belief. -
Salamun alaika,
Illa in Arabic and exceptive words in English are used for economy. In English example exception was about the act of seeing relating to two different things - genus . Use of except yielded economy of repeating the act.
Salaamun alayka,
The whole Quran is written in economy, there is not 1 letter to much or to little.
Allah could have revealed " " only once for economy if He wished to do so, but He did it 31 times.Please take a look at the next
A 2017
A 2018A 2019
A 2020
A 2021A 2632
A 2645InshaAllah it will make you ponder on the use of every term in The Quran.
Change of form of address by name or by pronoun does not change the actual person.
The actual person is undefined here (that means without name), you can try to hang a name on it by inserting it by force in the text or by adding brackets or by footnotes or any other form but Allah will establish His ayaats and He is 3aleemun Hakeemun.
Please run through some grammar book about the Arabic pronouns. Thereat, we might continue about "Ka" issue as to who is that person identified by it.
If you can name me 1 grammar book about the Arabic pronouns which is " " then I will be happy to study it, otherwise I am not interested.
Salaam,
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Salamun alaika,
I think we also need to look at English grammar book. What you have written still does make a little sense. But you remove words after "you may suffer", both the sentences seem meaningless and contradictory.The conjunction "so" denotes in order that introduces the reason for doing what has just been mentioned. And what is mentioned before it is "We did not send the Qur'aan to you". And the whole sentence would be "We did not send the Qur'aan to you in order that you may suffer". This sentence in English does not confirm sending of Qur'aan but negation of sending.
Salaamun alayka,
I thought you already understood that I copy-pasted it from FM translation with an insertion to make a point, and I thought that you would understand the point I was making, but I was wrong in assuming it. Unfortunatly you are more interested in correcting my english rather then discussing the ayaats of The Quran.
Anyways I am out of this discussion.
May Allah open up our eyes and not mix up truth with falsehood pr
Salaam,
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Please run through some grammar book about the Arabic pronouns. Thereat, we might continue about "Ka" issue as to who is that person identified by it.If you can name me 1 grammar book about the Arabic pronouns which is " " then I will be happy to study it, otherwise I am not interested.
Salamun alaika,
The first and foremost point for understanding the text of Qur'aan
The prerequisite to accurately and comprehensively perceive the perception and thought conveyed in Arabic text is to know and determine the relation of each and every word with its preceding and subsequent word, while determining its own position and role played in the sentence/text. One cannot comprehensively perceive the thought-idea conveyed therein merely by knowing the vocabulary of language. Some say about Arabic that we learn Arabic to read Arabic.
All nouns of Arabic in default state are nominative. And grammar of Qur'aan is quite easy since there are only 22 case endings that determine and show the role of the Noun in text. Verbal Noun in the quoted Ayah is in accusative case. Thereby, its role must be determined first. It is Cognate Adverb which is used to explain the manner in which action takes place. This is explaining the manner in which the act denoted by verb in relation to its direct object .
There is no personal pronoun in this Ayah. Instead, the doer is mentioned by a Relative Pronoun Who is identified in the linkage clause as the Creator of the Earth and the relatively upper-higher Skies . And the next sentence begins with Personal Name in nominative state as Subject of the sentence .
It seems strange that some people think that they are understanding the information conveyed in the text of a foreign language without knowing its grammar.
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Peace All
The Quran has innumerable meanings such as The Guide, The Sign, The Warner, The Giver of Good News, The Admonition, The Providence, The Wisdom, The Truth, The Straight Path, The Revelation, The inspiration, The Luminescence, except that it is a text or a literature. All the said attributes of Quran, though they are words in English, none of them can be translated into any language, including in the language in which it is written. They can be considered as words, 'INTUITIVE' having no physical, or physiological, or psychological implications or application. All those words are a feel of virtue, relating to the soul of a man which you would love to experience all through your life.
The entire Quran is to be viewed upon this basis. Any attempt at translation in any language is GROSS and would only be GROSS. And a GROSS translation is sufficient, extraordinarily sufficient for those whose RUH are pure, because of His presence, the RUHUL QUDDUS, The Angel Jibril, who is to relate, reveal, recite and remind of the TRUTH, The Quran we have forgotten, by the leave of Allah. The whole Quran is a virtuous feel that leads us to experience the inspired future.
In this way understand Quran, stand as a model example before your linguistic community as you rehearse the life of virtue before their very eyes, by Allah. Believe Allah would Guide you through Quran and complete His Grace on you. He would choose you as His Messenger for that linguistic community to which you are a brethren. Until such time do not hasten to read Quran to them as text. And do not hasten to say of Quran that you yourself have not experienced. For to say that that you do not do is most hateful in the eyes of Allah.
Here are the examples of GROSS translation;
- Allah is your true Revealer. Until you are inspired with the virtue of Quran and attain totality in your Faith in His Guidance, never hasten to read from Quran or recite of Quran. Have patience and seek from Him, The WISDOM.
61 2, 3 Allah does hate us if we speak of things we have not rehearsed before our community.
Unless one is a messenger, and become a rehearser as only a sign that he is from Allah, none can recite or relate from or of QURAN.
Peace
fazlur rahman. -
I have come across many idiotic remarks and viewpoints on this site. . . but this really takes the biscuit. Quran is book in Arabic - hence it is understandable and translateable. . . as have been done repeatedly.
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, , are but an inventor ." But most of them do not know."
This verse in no way counters this.
Agree. Such ideas annoying me every time.. every where..
Regarding to topic, best translations are those ones totally made in linguistic sense (is there any?).. Linguistics is only connection. Those ones polluted with traditional islamic sense (which means majority..) are not accurate and realistic.
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Peace people
why do you always go off topic disusing nonsense, feeling sorry for one another, asking forgiveness, why don't you solve those maters through personal messages instead of wasting precious space in the pages of the forum, and the time of the readers. You think you are so wise trying to explain the things that only God knows, but you don't even understand the simple question "who is the ideal translator in your consideration".
The translation I consider the best is Mohamed Assad
*He does not seem to have approach the Qur'an in haste. He started his journey in Islam in his 20', he finished his translation after his 80' (not and age to be worry about fame like other young translators like edyp yunksel) and after traveling the wide and length of the Muslim world and seen all the misery that ignorance has brought to it. It took him around 17 year to finish his translation. He knew all the different sects, and believes of the Muslim sects. His book is a dedication for those who reason. He died at 91, God gave wisdom and long life to this man.
*He did not belonged to any sect, and though he started his journey in the sunny world, he ended exiled in Spain and most of his work banned from the sunny world. He saw hadits as historical reference but never as source of law. He was only Muslim, for he criticized the sunny blindness of following scholars, muslims lost in adoration of the west, muslims lost in superstitions and nonsense, etc (book this law of ours by mohamed asad).
*He learned the true Arabic of the nomads, which he said would be lost with the introduction of the radio in the early 1900' (now tv too), here he talks about the beduin nomads ( http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtcbukncXvA )Furthermore From (Assessing English Translations of the Qur'anby Khaleel Mohammed Middle East Quarterly) Not every translation preaches the Saudi line Muhammad Asad, for example, presents a rendering that is simple and straightforward. A Jewish convert to Islam, the former Leopold Weiss (1900-1992) sought to depart from the traditional exegetic approaches and reflect independent thought. Asad, an Austrian journalist, was well-versed in the Jewish and Christian scriptures and brought this knowledge to bear in the form of erudite footnotes. Strangely, though, he chose to interpolate material in his translation of chapter 37 to show that the sacrificial son was Ishmael and not Isaac. This is rather unusual, for while most contemporary Muslims opine that Ishmael was the sacrificial son, early exegetes differed on his identity, and as is well known, the Bible clearly states that it was Isaac (Genesis 229). Indicative of the desire and drive of Saudi Arabia to impose a Salafi interpretation upon the Muslim world, the kingdom has banned Muhammad's work over some creedal issues. Because the Saudi government subsidizes the publication and distribution of so many translations, the ban has in effect made Asad's translation both expensive and difficult to obtain. Nevertheless, it remains one of the best translations available, both in terms of its comprehensible English and generally knowledgeable annotations.
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Peace people
why do you always go off topic disusing nonsense, feeling sorry for one another, asking forgiveness, why don't you solve those maters through personal messages instead of wasting precious space in the pages of the forum, and the time of the readers. You think you are so wise trying to explain the things that only God knows, but you don't even understand the simple question "who is the ideal translator in your consideration".
The translation I consider the best is Mohamed Assad
*He does not seem to have approach the Qur'an in haste. He started his journey in Islam in his 20', he finished his translation after his 80' (not and age to be worry about fame like other young translators like edyp yunksel) and after traveling the wide and length of the Muslim world and seen all the misery that ignorance has brought to it. It took him around 17 year to finish his translation. He knew all the different sects, and believes of the Muslim sects. His book is a dedication for those who reason. He died at 91, God gave wisdom and long life to this man.
*He did not belonged to any sect, and though he started his journey in the sunny world, he ended exiled in Spain and most of his work banned from the sunny world. He saw hadits as historical reference but never as source of law. He was only Muslim, for he criticized the sunny blindness of following scholars, muslims lost in adoration of the west, muslims lost in superstitions and nonsense, etc (book this law of ours by mohamed asad).
*He learned the true Arabic of the nomads, which he said would be lost with the introduction of the radio in the early 1900' (now tv too), here he talks about the beduin nomads ( http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtcbukncXvA )Furthermore From (Assessing English Translations of the Qur'anby Khaleel Mohammed Middle East Quarterly) Not every translation preaches the Saudi line Muhammad Asad, for example, presents a rendering that is simple and straightforward. A Jewish convert to Islam, the former Leopold Weiss (1900-1992) sought to depart from the traditional exegetic approaches and reflect independent thought. Asad, an Austrian journalist, was well-versed in the Jewish and Christian scriptures and brought this knowledge to bear in the form of erudite footnotes. Strangely, though, he chose to interpolate material in his translation of chapter 37 to show that the sacrificial son was Ishmael and not Isaac. This is rather unusual, for while most contemporary Muslims opine that Ishmael was the sacrificial son, early exegetes differed on his identity, and as is well known, the Bible clearly states that it was Isaac (Genesis 229). Indicative of the desire and drive of Saudi Arabia to impose a Salafi interpretation upon the Muslim world, the kingdom has banned Muhammad's work over some creedal issues. Because the Saudi government subsidizes the publication and distribution of so many translations, the ban has in effect made Asad's translation both expensive and difficult to obtain. Nevertheless, it remains one of the best translations available, both in terms of its comprehensible English and generally knowledgeable annotations.
Salamun alaika,
He was our first Ambassador to United Nations. His work is undoubtedly his personal effort; not like Rashad Khalifa and many others who place a couple of translations and exegeses on the table and start writing their own--99% plagiarism and one percent twisting for their own selfish motives.
Traditionalists criticised him allegedly for Mutazillite leanings. Interestingly, he also wrote translatiion of Bukhari.
My view for translation
Translation of Qur'aan Reason and the best approach.
Introduction
Grand Qur'aan is alive in time and space. Major classification of books is Grand Qur'aan; and other than Qur'aan book family. Translations and interpretations can never exhaust a living book. No translation is its final and exhaustive translation. No discussion and interpretation ever runs it dry. We will never find its words emptied even if scholars add fresh exegesis avoiding plagiarism, everyday. Today, there is an information boom. Universe is getting unfolded. Qur'aan precedes the physical world since information and its blueprint is always prior to physical thing taking existence. Therefore, literally we need a skilled laborer - translator and interpreter every other day to unfold the blue print and information stored in the Aa'ya'at Unitary Verbal Passages miscellany of words and sentences of Qur'aan.
We know a book is authored by a living. So every book is unique since it is the idea and special quality that belongs only to the individual author. It has Author's voice in it. The voice in the book is unique; it cannot be learnt; it cannot be copied. Therefore, no translation, no interpretation, no exegesis in Arabic and Non-Arabic languages can be Qur'aan. They are other than Qur'aan, though about it.
Qur'aan is inimitable because it is Kalam Allah Parlance-Message of Allah the Exalted. However, it is relayed to mankind by the articulators and right hand of the elevated Last Messenger of Allah the Exalted. It is therefore declared
It is a fact Qur'aan is certainly the relay of the exalted Messenger.
Mind it the Qur'aan is not relayed by a poet. Yet little is that you people accept-acknowledge.
And nor is it relayed by a soothsayer - prognosticator. Yet little is that you people self retain it.
Qur'aan is the gradual revelation upon the exalted Messenger by the Sustainer Lord of the Worlds - all that exists. -
The relaying - transmission is through articulation and right hand of the exalted Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam. Some exploit this fact by showing volitional perplexity about its authorship
And listen Provided you are perturbed cast in disconcerting duality of mind regarding authoring- compilation of that Qur'aan, which We have gradually revealed upon Our Sincere Allegiant;
The best course to get out of disconcerting duality of mind on this point is that you bring one Surat Segment authored in semblance of a Segment of it Qur'aan.
For the needful, you invite-get help of all your friends-helpers-lawyers available to you other than Allah the Exalted.
Try it, if you were truthful in expressing perplexity about source of Qur'aan.A simple solution is suggested. If someone is perplexed that the Qur'aan is not a Divine Revelation but is authored by the exalted Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam it should be easy to find a short text authored by another writer-linguist, not replica, but just resembling that of Qur'aan. Moreover, the tools of Arabic language are equally available to writers and linguists the world over. Therefore, if he is its author, then it should not be hard to find another work resembling it.
The humanity is the audience of Qur'aan; Arabs and non-Arabs. Therefore, suggestion is not for trying authoring a a segment denoting "an Enclave of superiority and elevation-Ascending Leap", resembling one of Qur'aan. But the challenge is to bring it from anywhere including the Mother City Mecca and at any point in time. The challenge will never be met.
Much is discussed about the inimitability of Grand Qur'aan, though mostly on premises other than the primary objective of authoring a book - the voice; its provenance and the role of transmitter - the exalted Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam. We will discuss it; however, our main concern is Whether this fact is a barrier for its understanding, comprehension and thereby for its translation and interpretation? No, on the contrary, its inimitability feature universalizes its Voice for hearing by the humanity. Allah the Exalted proclaims
Thereby, for reason of its universality and permanence, We have certainly rendered it Grand Qur'aan facilitative for reading and comprehending by transcribing it in the mother tongue Arabic language of you Muhammad .
Thereby, for reason of its universality and permanence, We have certainly rendered it Grand Qur'aan easy, open and facilitative for reading and comprehension by transcribing it in the mother tongue Arabic language of you Muhammad .
The purpose of its facilitative rendering is that people might at their own-sincerely comprehend; recall and relate it.Know the certain fact We have simplified-rendered the Grand Qur'aan easy, open and facilitative for reading, comprehension and saving in memory to recall, take lesson and to relate.
; Both are complete verbal sentence Verb - Subject - Direct Object. The Subject is Allah the Exalted. Verb is Perfect; Form-II; - Verbal noun; Root " ". Basic perception infolded in the Root and the verb is to render something facilitative, easy and smooth; open and light. It also signifies to divide a thing into parts or portions. Qur'aan is divided in distinctly split parts . The best author is he who is much concerned about the convenience for his audience.
Hearing of voice, embedded in the written words, by a reader is dependent upon the author's honesty, sincerity of purpose and affectionate care for the intended audience. Only such author will render his work facilitative to read and comprehend enabling its reader to hear the voice to grasp the purpose of communication, and its practicability. Only such author then shifts upon the reader the responsibility and burden to act. -
Peace Family,
I prefer the Rk translation it is the best overall english translation.
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Yakhruju min bayni alssulbi waalttara-ibi
YUSUFALI Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs
PICKTHAL That issued from between the loins and ribs.
SHAKIR Coming from between the back and the ribs.
KHALIFA From between the spine and the viscera. BestGOD BLESS
peace
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Peace Family,
I prefer the Rk translation it is the best overall english translation.
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Yakhruju min bayni alssulbi waalttara-ibi
YUSUFALI Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs
PICKTHAL That issued from between the loins and ribs.
SHAKIR Coming from between the back and the ribs.
KHALIFA From between the spine and the viscera. BestGOD BLESS
peace
Salamun alaika,
Sorry, RK's translation is the worst. Neither there is word for spine and viscera nor it has any relation to the subject discussed in Ayah.
The second peculiarity of this "the pushing water; outpouring water, forcefully flowing water" is that it secretes-discharges from the location situated at the middle of the Loin , a location which is the central point of the Ribs .
See his translation for 423 how he translates plural of same word AsSulbe.
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Peace Mazhar,
I am aware of your personal dislike for RK, but I said "best overall english translation,
while your translations are difficult not only to read, but also to understand in english.Quote
For the needful, you invite-get help of all your friends-helpers-lawyers available to
you other than Allah the Exalted.Try it, if you were truthful in expressing perplexity
about source of Qur'aan. ???No offence intended
GOD BLESS
peace
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I am aware of your personal dislike for RK, but I said "best overall english translation,
while your translations are difficult not only to read, but also to understand in english.Peace
No, it is not for dislike. You did not attend to what I said about the two words which he used but are not there in Arabic text. He is not translating, but writing his own ideas.