How can the God Alone movement advance?
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So far the common view on this forum is
God Alone = Quran Alone
Thus God = Quranwrong equation
God alone = Quran alone = a last testimony for all religionsUntested.. wait until they gained power.. and my bet is that they will end up the same as other religious movement..
"if you want to test a man's character, give him power"
-- Abe LincolnA religion / cult need dogma and union of society..
Otherwise the religion / cult shall become weak without anything to bind the people upon..Free minders and dissenting opinion goes against such objective..
upon seeing few fanatics here regrading Quran alone , i may agree with you to some extent .if they finish as one more sect on the ground then it is not GOD alone
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wrong equation
God alone = Quran alone = a last testimony for all religions upon seeing few fanatics here regrading Quran alone , i may agree with you to some extent .if they finish as one more sect on the ground then it is not GOD aloneGod Alone = God Alone
God Alone = Quran Alone Then God = Quran, Idolating a book titled Quran
God Alone = Jesus Alone Then God = Jesus, Idolating a person named Jesus
God Alone = Bible Alone Then God = Bible, Idolating a book titled Bible -
God Alone = God Alone
God Alone = Quran Alone Then God = Quran, Idolating a book titled Quran
God Alone = Jesus Alone Then God = Jesus, Idolating a person named Jesus
God Alone = Bible Alone Then God = Bible, Idolating a book titled BibleAmazing Jafar
as per you ,an atheists think he got the absolute power over his life .do you really think nobody controls your life .do you think you can get whatever you have planned .
the reality is ,no one can control his own life .as a matter of fact even salah , prayer, quran or even black magic can never control his/her/other people life
the author of quran claims that he has the absolute control of everything and commands the reader to follow his book cover to cover but never guaranties the control to anyone . following quran can never mean to idolizing it .quran cannot harm or gain anyone or anything .i believe the one who controls my life has given quran and i should abide him .
BTW ,do you have an answer to this ayah
Verse 22.73O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away from them a thing, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued.
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@ brother pervaiz
God alone = God alone no left and right
rest are the creation signs and messages of God in the shape of books,planets,prophets,sun,moon stars etc
what you are asking from brother jaffar is same if u tell a hadith person whats about this hadith " in which u must have to follow hadith" otherwise u ll misguided or kafir
he take the same approach not only stick to quran but he said bible torah and everything whatever is availaible
so its a logical fallacy to think that way let say like other wholy scriptures people mix truth with falsehood but soon after the universal God make their lie infront of them so he is not unaware and his signs are not stopped yet thats what he said
you beleive in quran becoz quran is saying you to beleive in quran
you beleive in bible bcoz bible is saying you to beleive in
exactly God alone = God alone
and he dnt need the help of any creation to run his system of God alone
the only exception in quran is the book is standing what he claims thats why i give this book a real consideration
there are some verses regarding hell punishment what i have to talk about with people but i feel nobody is attempting that things as they say its metaphorical approach and so thats why its not for kids under age 13 a really horrible stuff in hell prison
even the book is saying to you the mininmun requirements of getting successful in 2 62
so yeh you dnt need anything to approach GodGod bless you
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wiki says
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IdolAn idol is an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed or any person or thing regarded with admiration, adoration, or devotion.
i dont see any of Muslims make any idol of any for their worship
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God Alone = God Alone
God Alone = Quran Alone Then God = Quran, Idolating a book titled Quran
God Alone = Jesus Alone Then God = Jesus, Idolating a person named Jesus
God Alone = Bible Alone Then God = Bible, Idolating a book titled BibleThat's very poorly designed because
then
Me alone= Idolization of me
My intellect alone= Idolization of my intellect alone
Me taking my lessons only from the world= Idolization of the worldSpending time on something I despise Wasting time on something I despise
There might be some misunderstandings I have. But if there are means for clarification right on the site where I believe people are idolizing the book and I am not open to that despite requests from others then me = troll.
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yes , you are correct
quran alone will never take off unless we have a rich ,influential or a political leader who will change a country .in the present scenario ,we need a rich and powerful man who will promote .otherwise , May ALLAH subhanavatala make one of us to be rich and powerful so that these system will come out this stupid boxYep, and your sectarian leaders understand that quite well. That's why, they start fox news styled rumors to make sure the Quran aloners who have a huge voice are dead!!!!
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That's very poorly designed because
then
Me alone= Idolization of me
My intellect alone= Idolization of my intellect alone"Me alone" A is TRUE because I SAID SO
"My intellect alone" A is TRUE because my intellect SAID SOCommonly refered as "ego centrism".. self worshiping..
From Egyptian Pharaoh, Roman Emperor, Ottoman Sultan to today's dictators.. The Supreme Leader of North Korea or even The Leader of the Free World.Thus IF
"Quran Alone" A is TRUE because the Quran SAID SO..Fell into the same characteristics as above..
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Amazing Jafar
as per you ,an atheists think he got the absolute power over his life .do you really think nobody controls your life .do you think you can get whatever you have planned .I didn't said that.. you must conjure that up from your own perception..
In reality, everything shall perform everything as planned by the ultimate planner up to meticulous details..
the reality is ,no one can control his own life .as a matter of fact even salah , prayer, quran or even black magic can never control his/her/other people life
Agree..
the author of quran claims that he has the absolute control of everything and commands the reader to follow his book cover to cover but never guaranties the control to anyone . following quran can never mean to idolizing it .quran cannot harm or gain anyone or anything .i believe the one who controls my life has given quran and i should abide him .
See above.. if one think can argue that A is true just because His/Her Holy Book said so.. then it is the same as idolizing his / her holy book, whatever the title of his / her holy book is.
Quran (and also Bible, Book OF The Dead, Sumerian Tablet and other scriptures claimed to be written by God/ Deities) cannot harm or gain anyone or anything I agree...
The next question should be
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And why people always think of ADVANCEMENT as
"Gaining More Power / Influence"?First meaning noun
the process of promoting a cause or plan."Me alone" A is TRUE because I SAID SO
"My intellect alone" A is TRUE because my intellect SAID SOIs that how your mind operates and thus, you believe all of us think that way?
Commonly refered as "ego centrism".. self worshiping..
From Egyptian Pharaoh, Roman Emperor, Ottoman Sultan to today's dictators.. The Supreme Leader of North Korea or even The Leader of the Free World.Thus IF
"Quran Alone" A is TRUE because the Quran SAID SO..Fell into the same characteristics as above..
So you basically came to Quran alone at first because the Book said so and you actually did not care about other verses?
Is "God Alone Movement" a "Political Movement"?
Why are you always miffed at Saudi government? How do you stand up against them all by yourself? And if they go atheist how would you stand up against them all by yourself? Freaky thing is that there is literally no diff between the "wahabbi" and "atheist" Arabs of that country. That confirms my idea that present day Islam is atheism. Try talking to some of their citizens on reddit.
"In the social sciences, a political movement is a social group that operates together to obtain a political goal,on a local, regional, national, or international scope. Political movements develop, coordinate, promulgate, revise, amend, interpret, and produce materials that are intended to address the goals of the base of the movement." https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_movement
God alone comes with the idea of eliminating oppression. It is the way of making sure God given rights of people are respected.
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That's very poorly designed because
then
Me alone= Idolization of me
My intellect alone= Idolization of my intellect alone
Me taking my lessons only from the world= Idolization of the worldRed That sounds like Materialism.
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There's no such thing as "God alone movement", this is unfortunately a deceiving name, when we should be called Muslims and not Quran-alone Muslims, and it should be Islam, not Quran alone or other weird names.
Muslim, Mumin, Islam. God has named us those who have submitted (Muslims), so there's no need to use other names.
The striving may already have begun or will soon, and there should be 100% confidence that there will be a nation with system Islam as it's already said in Quran that "Israel" will fall a second time and the Sacred Temple will be retaken.
I hope it's soon.
Salam
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There's no such thing as "God alone movement", this is unfortunately a deceiving name, when we should be called Muslims and not Quran-alone Muslims, and it should be Islam, not Quran alone or other weird names.
Muslim, Mumin, Islam. God has named us those who have submitted (Muslims), so there's no need to use other names.
The striving may already have begun or will soon, and there should be 100% confidence that there will be a nation with system Islam as it's already said in Quran that "Israel" will fall a second time and the Sacred Temple will be retaken.
I hope it's soon.
Salam
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Yep, and your sectarian leaders understand that quite well.
i dont think you and me are different sect .as a matter of fact i can't even say others whom you call "sectarians" are different from us . their perception of Quran is different andwe are not authorized to find faults with others instead we can correct our selfs .by dividing me ,you have just formed an sect called Quran aloners .congratulations .can you guaranty , only Quran alnoners are the true followers of Islam. can you give a proof from GOD .Do you have a mail or a sms message from GOD for that claim .i think you have missed my post , have a look at this post
wrong equation
God alone = Quran alone = a last testimony for all religions upon seeing few fanatics here regrading Quran alone , i may agree with you to some extent .if they finish as one more sect on the ground then it is not GOD aloneThat's why, they start fox news styled rumors to make sure the Quran aloners who have a huge voice are dead!!!!
money matters ,reel
it was zakir naik who changed my life.they conducted a expo in Chennai about a decade ago .they invited hundreds of international orators ,it was a huge exhibition conducted in an area of about 10 acres .do you know the cost of that expo .it was about 5 crores Indian.after that ,each year they conducted such expos and it was a run away success .partly they invested and partly they raised funds in the expo itself .
this is what i call a huge voice
we dont have voice ,reel .even to conduct a workshop ,in Chennai , we need about a million Indian rupees
the fact is ,we cannot conduct even a workshop anywhere in the world .we born here and die here .if you still think you have "huge voice "......lol -
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In reality, everything shall perform everything as planned by the ultimate planner up to meticulous details..........
who is that meticulous ultimate planner .the quest for the answer of this question must be the same age as the human race on this earth
See above.. if one think can argue that A is true just because His/Her Holy Book said so.. then it is the same as idolizing his / her holy book, whatever the title of his / her holy book is.
Quran (and also Bible, Book OF The Dead, Sumerian Tablet and other scriptures claimed to be written by God/ Deities) cannot harm or gain anyone or anything I agree...
the above question was repeatedly answered in each and every religious book some took them as idols and few took them as way of life .Quran endorse all those books and at the same time ,it stands apart from them .believing something is not idolizing .
The next question should be
Why did people wrote materials and make a claim that it was written by Gods / Deities..i think i have just answered your question
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i dont think you and me are different sect .as a matter of fact i can't even say others whom you call "sectarians" are different from us .
If you were actually living Quran you would have known our view on the sectarians.
their perception of Quran is different andwe are not authorized to find faults with others
There you go, every time an issue related to your kind of Islam is presented in front of you people, instead of trying to solve it, you try to shut the person.
Not find fault in others who kill someone trying to promote a diff, but more peaceful perspective than theirs???? Thanks for that. I am keeping a screenshot of this.
instead we can correct our selfs .by dividing me ,you have just formed an sect called Quran aloners
Irony at best. First you say we can correct ourselves and that I am dividing you. Just at the end, you bring up your innovation that I am forming sect with Quran alone.
God himself gave us the meaning of sect in that Book. I stick to that. It seems you don't!
.congratulations .can you guaranty , only Quran alnoners are the true followers of Islam. can you give a proof from GOD .Do you have a mail or a sms message from GOD for that claim .
Of course yes!!!!!! Just follow what the Quran says and see the result. That's the reason why we can't reconcile with your sects.
i think you have missed my post , have a look at this post money matters ,reel
it was zakir naik who changed my life.they conducted a expo in Chennai about a decade ago .they invited hundreds of international orators ,it was a huge exhibition conducted in an area of about 10 acres .do you know the cost of that expo .it was about 5 crores Indian.after that ,each year they conducted such expos and it was a run away success .partly they invested and partly they raised funds in the expo itself .
this is what i call a huge voiceDude, you can't compare us to you. Your sectarian folks hate us to death because of our decision to follow Quran alone despite the fact they hardly have any idea about all the hadiths. In your society, a person must accept at least a few dozens hadiths to remain alive. I do not understand the psychology behind that. And your charity is not sign of anything big at all in front of the fact that majority of the Muslim countries are lagging behind. Plus, your sectarian Islam whether salafi or anything else provides certain benefits to men such as 0 percent moral standard. Why wouldn't naik be then successful?
if you still think you have "huge voice "......lol
Reread my post. I am not dead.
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If you were actually living Quran you would have known our view on the sectarians.
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Irony at best. First you say we can correct ourselves and that I am dividing you. Just at the end, you bring up your innovation that I am forming sect with Quran alone.
God himself gave us the meaning of sect in that Book. I stick to that. It seems you don't!
Great ,reel
let me start me answer with this verse
Verse 20.88
And he extracted for them a calf which had a lowing sound, and they said, "This is your god and the god of Moses, but he forgot."
Arabiclet me illustrate your case with an example Salah
first you bash all the sects by saying each one of you got different types of salah you make a column and highlight the differences then you introduce a new pattern of salah which you claim that it is from Quran and say this was the original pattern of salah which all the Muslims forgot (َ
thus making one more pattern in salah which belong to your sect called "quran alone" .thus making one more salah pattren in the varieties of salah .as a matter of fact , whether you pray in masjid or in church or in any synagogue Quran makes no distinction .i made that post keeping you and only you in my mind , reelDude, you can't compare us to you.
Never i will do it , i am not interested in joining a new sect on the ground . i still stand by my first encounter with you
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608188.msg382459#msg382459
i don't belong to any sect .Your sectarian folks hate us to death because of our decision to follow Quran alone despite the fact they hardly have any idea about all the hadiths. In your society, a person must accept at least a few dozens hadiths to remain alive. I do not understand the psychology behind that. And your charity is not sign of anything big at all in front of the fact that majority of the Muslim countries are lagging behind. Plus, your sectarian Islam whether salafi or anything else provides certain benefits to men such as 0 percent moral standard. Why wouldn't naik be then successful?
i just fell down from my chair laughing . i cannot control my laughter , reel .is it an excuse to hide your face .do you really think ,salafi or any other sect dont have any other work except to kill the quran alone Muslims rotfl
In Chennai , even Qadianis used to conduct seminars ,workshops and even debates .at the end of the day you are just one of them ,A brand new sect ,reel -
Thanks for more data for our analysis on salafi game. Ladies and gentlemen, if you just check his earlier replies to me and then the ones from me you will see that below for the second time he deviates from the topic. He was told his sects kill Quran alone people who have big voice. He refuses to go fully into that and keeps introducing new topics.
However, his post is a clear depiction of why rejection of hadiths is important. I'll show you in the end what's wrong with the writing and serve you a cup of dessert from God about it )
Great ,reel
let me start me answer with this verse
Verse 20.88
And he extracted for them a calf which had a lowing sound, and they said, "This is your god and the god of Moses, but he forgot."
Arabiclet me illustrate your case with an example Salah
first you bash all the sects by saying each one of you got different types of salah you make a column and highlight the differencesIn the line above, he deviates by introducing the salah topic. He creates a lie that I made column and highlighted differences in his sects salah. Truth is that his own people did that. Here is their page
https//www.oneummah.net/islam/salat.htmlthen you introduce a new pattern of salah which you claim that it is from Quran and say this was the original pattern of salah which all the Muslims forgot (َ
The salafi here is avoiding bringing up the fact that I showed him how his sectarian prayers don't live up to
2945 Recite, , what has been revealed to you of the Book and establish prayer. Indeed, prayer prohibits immorality and wrongdoing, and the remembrance of Allah is greater. And Allah knows that which you do.
thus making one more pattern in salah which belong to your sect called "quran alone" .
The salafi now forcefully shows his rejection for the sect definition God gave in the Quran.
Say, "He is the one Able to send upon you affliction from above you or from beneath your feet or to confuse you sects and make you taste the violence of one another." Look how We diversify the signs that they might understand.But your people have denied it while it is the truth. Say, "I am not over you a manager." 665-66
Dear people, we here disagree with each other, but we don't go around making new sects. We don't use violence between each other. As per 665-66, thus, we are not a sect.
Secondly, there is a day and night difference between Quranic Islam and Hadith driven Islam. The two can never be reconciled without utter dishonesty. See below
Allah presents an example a slave owned by quarreling partners and another belonging exclusively to one man - are they equal in comparison? Praise be to Allah ! But most of them do not know.3929
Quran alone is a compliment though. It reaffirms that we follow God's Book. I would be embarrassed if someone called me hadither, bukharist and supporter of Quran and hadith. The latter is an insult against God.
thus making one more salah pattren in the varieties of salah .as a matter of fact , whether you pray in masjid or in church or in any synagogue Quran makes no distinction .
People, be careful about the above misleading words. The focus is on ISLAM. The user, just like every other bukharist asked us how we pray without hadiths and just like every other bukharist, he knew not about the variation in salah. Once he was shown the table, he flipped.
And here is the funny thing, he has problem with some "new patterned" salah, but he is okay with the rest. It was actually me back then defending the salat done by other Quran followers by saying that they have the right to do it their way because sects do the same. In short, he is giving me back my own argument D
i made that post keeping you and only you in my mind , reel
Never i will do it , i am not interested in joining a new sect on the ground . i still stand by my first encounter with you
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608188.msg382459#msg382459
i don't belong to any sect .i just fell down from my chair laughing .Is hadithist a sect? Then progressive Islam?
i cannot control my laughter , reel .is it an excuse to hide your face .do you really think ,salafi or any other sect dont have any other work except to kill the quran alone Muslims rotfl
In Chennai , even Qadianis used to conduct seminars ,workshops and even debates .at the end of the day you are just one of them ,A brand new sect ,reelThere, he is denying the problem by hiding himself under the sect population. He doesn't even challenge my comment about morals. He doesn't respond to my comment about following Quran alone for results. As you can see, for him salah is more important than a human life. He literally avoided going to Quran by making noise.
Aha, there is a verse on that
4126 And those who disbelieve say, "Do not listen to this Qur'an and speak noisily during it that perhaps you will overcome."
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I am well within the topic ,reel
And here is the funny thing, he has problem with some "new patterned" salah, but he is okay with the rest. It was actually me back then defending the salat done by other Quran followers by saying that they have the right to do it their way because sects do the same. In short, he is giving me back my own argument D
Dear people, we here disagree with each other, but we don't go around making new sects. We don't use violence between each other. As per 665-66, thus, we are not a sect.
what to do , reel i have a bad habit of remembering things and also i apply them whenever i need them .
i cannot forget your "Soooo important "BTW who are those "other Quran followers " a sub sect of Quran aloners ?
it is amazing to see that a person who says Quran approves any type of prayer is a "salafi" and one who bash and make mockery of other sect is "progressive Muslim"
a read will immediately judge
yes i came to know about that classification table of salah somewhere here .do they were bashing or making mockery of it or they just gave the information .again go to this kink and see what you have done about it
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608260.msg383670#msg383670
dont fail to read my answer post their
you haven't change a bit ,reelyou can scream but in reality ,you are promoting a new sect .otherwise ,just accept everyone and be on your way without making mockery of others .i used to these types of argument ,reel .day in and day out , salafis mocks at hanafis and hanafis do the same .what is the difference between you and them
People, be careful about the above misleading words. The focus is on ISLAM. The user, just like every other bukharist asked us how we pray without hadiths and just like every other bukharist, he knew not about the variation in salah. Once he was shown the table, he flipped.
Verse 22.40
those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.now club this verse with Verse 2.62
Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.and
Verse 5.69
Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians - those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.Am i misleading anyone here .is it a view of a salafi .salafis believe that the verse 2.62 was abrogated ,deliberately ignoring the verse 5.69
this is the view of a progressive Muslim .There, he is denying the problem by hiding himself under the sect population. He doesn't even challenge my comment about morals. He doesn't respond to my comment about following Quran alone for results. As you can see, for him salah is more important than a human life. He literally avoided going to Quran by making noise.
i dont know weather sir syed ahmed khan or ghulam ahmed parvez were killed because they were hadith rejectors .BTW Edip Y?ksel is living peacefully even after bashing bilal Phillips .this is you own cooked up curry ,reel
i just want to make a add on which i for got yesterdayyour sectarian Islam whether salafi or anything else provides certain benefits to men such as 0 percent moral standard. Why wouldn't naik be then successful?
Islam in Chennai can be divided into two eras .pre zakir naik and post zakir naik .pre zakir naik .pre DZN era never had Muslim schools and rich and wealthy Muslim folks were just freaking out they were not aware of even zakat .poor and illiterate Muslim were just spoiling their life by boozing and gambling
in post era , the first Islamic school that came to Chennai was Islamic international school ,followed by olive international school ,now there are hundreds of Muslims schools running all over Chennai .most of the schools were started/run by the followers of zakir naik .DZN manage to change the rich people in Islamic way .you don't know how many good things are happening in Chennai
with these popularity , another group called tamilnadu towheed jamat came into lime light and they managed to show the poor the right path .
do you still think he is not successful
BTW the what is your contribution ,reel .....just bashing
