Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Users
Skins
  • Light
  • Brite
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse
Free Minds Forum Icon
  1. Home
  2. Community Needs
  3. Salat & Zakat
  4. Non performers of As-Salaat are not true believers

Non performers of As-Salaat are not true believers

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Salat & Zakat
231 Posts 20 Posters 12.7k Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • M Offline
    M Offline
    Mazhar
    wrote on last edited by
    #1

    Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat; and just peep in the Hell-Prison to listen its dwellers.

    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00024.%20Salat%20Suad%20Lam%20Waw/25.gif The time bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance is the fundamental protocol for non-verbal demonstration of the truthfulness of one's claim of having accepted and become a believer. This is manifestation of belief and key to success and fruitfulness

    Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
    • G Offline
      G Offline
      god1quran1
      wrote on last edited by
      #2

      Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat; and just peep in the Hell-Prison to listen its dwellers.

      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00024.%20Salat%20Suad%20Lam%20Waw/25.gif The time bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance is the fundamental protocol for non-verbal demonstration of the truthfulness of one's claim of having accepted and become a believer. This is manifestation of belief and key to success and fruitfulness

      Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat

      Is there anywhere in the quran where the action verb used alongside salat is equivalent to 'to perform'?

      1 Reply Last reply
      0
      • M Offline
        M Offline
        Mazhar
        wrote on last edited by
        #3

        Is there anywhere in the quran where the action verb used alongside salat is equivalent to 'to perform'?

        Perform Fulfill requirement to do what is stated or required;
        accomplish something to carry out an action, especially one requiring care
        fulfill obligation

        The verbs and the words used are all action words; I hope it is known that Active Participles are made from verbs and they are called Verbal agent. Verbs and verbal agents perform that what is required in the verb.

        1 Reply Last reply
        0
        • G Offline
          G Offline
          god1quran1
          wrote on last edited by
          #4

          Perform Fulfill requirement to do what is stated or required;
          accomplish something to carry out an action, especially one requiring care
          fulfill obligation

          The verbs and the words used are all action words; I hope it is known that Active Participles are made from verbs and they are called Verbal agent. Verbs and verbal agents perform that what is required in the verb.

          Yes the verbal agents may perform what is required in the verb but that does not mean the meaning of every verb in a language changes to 'to perform'. What the action should be is decided by the verb that does the action on the noun.

          The verb in the Quran most commonly used with the noun 'As-Salaat' is 'aqimu' which has an entirely different meaning from to perform.

          By claiming that as-salaat should be 'performed' implies that this noun is some kind of a ritual. This is not supported by the actual action verb used with salaat everywhere in the Quran.

          When 'aqimu' is understood as 'to remain steadfast' it suggests that 'salaat' is a more meaningful activity that has some practical value.

          1 Reply Last reply
          0
          • I Offline
            I Offline
            IAMOP
            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            The idea that salat is a ritual or practice, which is intended for The God and somehow is obligatory because The God needs it from us, that idea is a delusion and a lie and a grievous wrongdoing to all of mankind and those who propagate it shall not be helped.

            We cannot feed The God but The God can feed us. There is nothing we can do towards The God to help The God because God is free of need.

            Then we must understand that all such commands are for US. So that we can see the God's handiwork, so we can escape the confusion and fog of those who do not appreciate the God. If your salat does not give real results, and real changes in your emotions in every salat, it is not salat. You are pretending but you will not fool those of us who know. And those who practice the real salat will know because it strengthens them from the inside, it brings cool water to the hot and dry parts of their heads - both figuratively and literally.

            1 Reply Last reply
            0
            • M Offline
              M Offline
              Mazhar
              wrote on last edited by
              #6

              We cannot feed The God but The God can feed us. There is nothing we can do towards The God to help The God because God is free of need.

              Living by one's own opinions and understandings is individual's prerogetive. But still he needs excuses to uphold his opinion.

              Allah does not need to be fed; He feeds but does ask for Assalat

              Refer 20132

              1 Reply Last reply
              0
              • M Offline
                M Offline
                Mazhar
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                Yes the verbal agents may perform what is required in the verb but that does not mean the meaning of every verb in a language changes to 'to perform'. What the action should be is decided by the verb that does the action on the noun.

                The verb in the Quran most commonly used with the noun 'As-Salaat' is 'aqimu' which has an entirely different meaning from to perform.

                By claiming that as-salaat should be 'performed' implies that this noun is some kind of a ritual. This is not supported by the actual action verb used with salaat everywhere in the Quran.

                When 'aqimu' is understood as 'to remain steadfast' it suggests that 'salaat' is a more meaningful activity that has some practical value.

                A protocol that comprises of more than one action-gestures when referred as a collective unit, its heading will be "to perform" as I have captioned it.

                The first protocol is

                http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/2.238q.gif

                And you people stand for Allah the Exalted in the posture of devoted humble servants-subjects.

                The basic perception infolded in the Root Root " " and Verbal Noun is of standing; straight position on feet as distinct from sitting, reclining or lying; or walking. In physical terms it is the most stable, established state of strength, alertness and equilibrium which other postures of sitting, reclining and lying flat lack. This state grants an ability to quickly react and respond to a sudden threat/attack.

                Balance and equilibrium strengths a thing and grants stability, prominence and durability. Balance and equilibrium also create a stationary state. This Root thus also conveys the meaning of staying somewhere. And the point of staying becomes a place of gathering. Balance and equilibrium yields state of peace and tranquility. In whatever shade the words derived from this Root are used the; perception of balance and equilibrium, which is the primary condition of standing erect, shall remain predominant/prevail.

                Qaniteena It is circumstantial clause ; and is plural active participle; stand in the manner of devoted humble servants-subjects. The postures are a nonverbal communication that provides significant information and emotional cues. The posture also communicates social standing. A person of lower status typically stands or they may remain standing until they are asked to sit. Gesture has a fundamental metaphoric property; it is not mere ornamentation. Gesture-speech combinations co-expressively embody the point of highest communicative dynamism. Gestures are the imagery of the thought of the performer for the onlookers.

                It is Gesture-speech, highest communicative dynamism Sublime submission of servitude and allegiance;

                1 Reply Last reply
                0
                • I Offline
                  I Offline
                  IAMOP
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #8

                  Living by one's own opinions and understandings is individual's prerogetive. But still he needs excuses to uphold his opinion.

                  Allah does not need to be fed; He feeds but does ask for Assalat

                  Refer 20132

                  And enjoin prayer on your followers, and steadily adhere to it; We do not ask you for subsistence; We do give you subsistence, and the (good) end is for guarding (against evil).

                  So now you can see quite clearly

                  salat is NOT a subsistence towards the God
                  salat is a subsistence towards the believer, it FEEDS the believer

                  I love how you cite the very ayat I referred to in the first place in some faint hopes of proving such a point, did you not step back and think for a second, "wait a minute, that's the very verse this person is referring to in the first place"?

                  Keep in mind I have said nothing about the fact it is a timed ordinance. Certainly it must be "performed" morning and evening at the very least but as to WHAT is being performed, the actual content of the ritual, that is where I see problems arising. Because as you very much well know, people do not go to the mosques to feed themselves. They go to appease a deity who they do not even understand or truly believe in. And this is the lie that is confusing and destroying the entire community

                  peace

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  0
                  • M Offline
                    M Offline
                    Mazhar
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #9

                    So now you can see quite clearly

                    salat is NOT a subsistence towards the God
                    salat is a subsistence towards the believer, it FEEDS the believer

                    Salat has nothing to do with sustenance. You are confusing two things that are poles apart.

                    And they steadfastly maintain the Institution of As-sa'laat Time Bound Formal Protocol of demonstrating Servitude and allegiance to Allah the Exalted.
                    Further, they heartily spend part of the worldly resources for other's welfare which We have given to them as sustenance. .

                    Moreover, you people remain steadfast in maintaining Institution of As-sa'laat Time Bound Protocol of Servitude and allegiance;
                    And remain willingly determined to pay Az-zakat financial contribution for economic uplift of society;
                    And you kneel together in the company of those who kneel.

                    First is social contact with the Sustainer Lord showing servitude and allegiance.
                    The other is social conduct with members of his species and other living.

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    0
                    • A Offline
                      A Offline
                      ansmeh1998
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #10

                      Salaam,

                      As far as I understand, those who insist for practicing a ritual in the name of salaat are virtually undermining the glorious term and their adherence to salat is nothing more than whistling and clapping as has been indicated in the verse 835.

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • M Offline
                        M Offline
                        Mazhar
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #11

                        Salaam,

                        As far as I understand, those who insist for practicing a ritual in the name of salaat are virtually undermining the glorious term and their adherence to salat is nothing more than whistling and clapping as has been indicated in the verse 835.

                        Please read the article; it is not ritual. And also read 835 as to who they were. And then read in the end the verdict of Allah the Exalted that only the Munafiqeen Imposter believers are reluctant to perform it. A non performer under whatever pretext and excuse is declared not to be a true believer. Choice is one's own. Also try to peep into the Hell-Prison so that we can avoid to be their companions.

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        0
                        • Z Offline
                          Z Offline
                          Zulf
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #12

                          If your salat does not give real results, and real changes in your emotions in every salat, it is not salat.
                          ...
                          And those who practice the real salat will know because it strengthens them from the inside, it brings cool water to the hot and dry parts of their heads - both figuratively and literally.

                          bravo

                          Salat, for sure, is not synonymous to Namaz.

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • A Offline
                            A Offline
                            ansmeh1998
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #13

                            Please read the article; it is not ritual. And also read 835 as to who they were. And then read in the end the verdict of Allah the Exalted that only the Munafiqeen Imposter believers are reluctant to perform it. A non performer under whatever pretext and excuse is declared not to be a true believer. Choice is one's own. Also try to peep into the Hell-Prison so that we can avoid to be their companions.

                            May I request your good self to express the meaning of the term 'salat' as per your understanding in the light of Quran?

                            Salaam!

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            0
                            • M Offline
                              M Offline
                              Mazhar
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #14

                              May I request your good self to express the meaning of the term 'salat' as per your understanding in the light of Quran?

                              Salaam!

                              Salamun alaika

                              Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat; and just peep in the Hell-Prison to listen its dwellers.

                              http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00024.%20Salat%20Suad%20Lam%20Waw/25.gif The time bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance is the fundamental protocol for non-verbal demonstration of the truthfulness of one's claim of having accepted and become a believer. This is manifestation of belief and key to success and fruitfulness

                              Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat

                              The prohibition not to perform As-sa'laat is when a man is not in the state of self-awareness lacking conscious understanding of his verbal expressions-language. It is thus abundantly evident that is NOT a ritual. According to dictionary ritual is defined as an established and prescribed pattern of observance, performance of formal acts the observance of actions or procedures in a set, ordered, and ceremonial way; system of rites the system of set procedures and actions of a group. But a perception of monotony and routine has also become associated to it when this is referred for a religious activity. Ritual is usually the concern and domain of Non-Declarative Memory which can be performed without being consciously aware of happenings.

                              Preparatory protocols for performance

                              The presence of all sorts of moral ills in Muslim societies is reflective that either the majority does not perform the Time Bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance; or we perform by giving it a status of "ritual" that is performed thoughtlessly and habitually. Allah the Exalted is on the lips of every Muslim; but His Parlance-Discourse conveyed verbatim by exalted Messenger Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam are obscured by artfully fabricated conjectural widespread stories.

                              It is Gesture-speech, highest communicative dynamism Sublime submission of servitude and allegiance

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              0
                              • A Offline
                                A Offline
                                ansmeh1998
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #15

                                Salaam,

                                What is your conclusion about the term 'As-Salaat'. Is it a ritual of standing, bowing and prostration in the cyclic manner as is the practice world over or it is a term attributed to the system of Governance taught by Allah(swt) in Quran. Kindly sum up facts to be understood by a lay man instead of playing with the English words. I hope you understand what I mean??

                                1 Reply Last reply
                                0
                                • WakasW Offline
                                  WakasW Offline
                                  Wakas
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #16

                                  peace,

                                  And enjoin prayer on your followers, and steadily adhere to it; We do not ask you for subsistence; We do give you subsistence, and the (good) end is for guarding (against evil).

                                  So now you can see quite clearly

                                  salat is NOT a subsistence towards the God
                                  salat is a subsistence towards the believer, it FEEDS the believer

                                  Interesting observation. However, rather than saying it is clear, there is certainly an implication.

                                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  0
                                  • M Offline
                                    M Offline
                                    Mazhar
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #17

                                    Salaam,

                                    What is your conclusion about the term 'As-Salaat'. Is it a ritual of standing, bowing and prostration in the cyclic manner as is the practice world over or it is a term attributed to the system of Governance taught by Allah(swt) in Quran. Kindly sum up facts to be understood by a lay man instead of playing with the English words. I hope you understand what I mean??

                                    Salam,

                                    Take a little botheration of reading the Ayahs of Qur'aan on the subject to get the point. And just see the difference between English word "ritual" and "protocol". As-Salaat is not the system of governance; it is merely demonstration of one's thought of servitude and allegiance and his claim of belief of considering Allah the Exalted as his Sustainer Lord.

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    0
                                    • A Offline
                                      A Offline
                                      ansmeh1998
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #18

                                      Salaam brother Mazhar,

                                      it is merely demonstration of one's thought of servitude and allegiance and his claim of belief of considering Allah the Exalted as his Sustainer Lord.

                                      As suggested by your good self, I have studied verses related with Salat several times. I am yet to get the clear understanding of it. But I do not find the understanding of Salaat you are pushing through as apt as is intended in Al-Quran. Incidentally, you are presenting the same ritual form of salat in a new spectre by using the English words suited your design.

                                      1 Reply Last reply
                                      0
                                      • M Offline
                                        M Offline
                                        Mazhar
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #19

                                        Salaam brother Mazhar,
                                        As suggested by your good self, I have studied verses related with Salat several times. I am yet to get the clear understanding of it. But I do not find the understanding of Salaat you are pushing through as apt as is intended in Al-Quran. Incidentally, you are presenting the same ritual form of salat in a new spectre by using the English words suited your design.

                                        If you have studied several times; please write under them what you got from those--only about words and sentences of Ayah. Those are mentioned in the Article on every aspect of As-Salat. Everything comprising physical gestures does not necessarily mean ritual. The word ritual seems got stuck up in thoughts.

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        0
                                        • M Offline
                                          M Offline
                                          Man_of_Faith
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #20

                                          Fare thee well brothers and sisters,

                                          Salat means as the word implies, a connection/communication/conversation by contacting the Lord as a focused session. This is at least what I have understood from reading Quran and my interpretation and independent tinkering.

                                          The seemingly extra-religious practices such as repeating the first chapter of Quran several times may however not belong to this 'salat' and be inventions belonging to fairytale authors. If we think about it from a logical viewpoint (God is certainly a being of logic) it seems illogical to believe God would appreciate parroting of the same words several times in a row.

                                          The prostration is a gesture belonging to how people paid homage to respected individuals 1000 years ago and beyond. It may not be a necessity when we perform salat, but is certainly a valid act should people wish to express themselves this way. It did not necessarily originate in religion, but was practiced in all sorts of ways.

                                          I have thought about the so-called 'rakah system' and it is just as weird as the hadith which talk about how many stones Muhammad use to wipe himself after answering the call of nature. I think frankly that it is a human invention just like the hadith about the sanitary procedures.

                                          That does not say salat cannot be something we use uniformly as to make it easily practiced but making it different number of prostrations per salah is causing it to make God's religion complicated. People who have chosen to simply prostrate in sets of two twice may have made it sufficiently convenient and makes it more focused on God than like a meaningless ritual.

                                          Personally I do not live as I teach as I have up until now still practiced the traditional rakah system out of fear lest I do wrong, but I begin to realize I may do the same level of error by doing it the way I do now.

                                          Ironically I have convinced myself all the things I talk about yet I cling on to my old ways as if I do not believe in what I utter. Yet I do but stubbornly retain my current practices. I need to let go of my old perception of God's religion and trust I know better. There are no prescribed three stones to wipe myself when I go to bathroom and the same there are no specific three rakah at a prayer traditionally called maghrib.

                                          Even hadith indicate that asr and maghrib were prayers which Muhammad himself voluntarily observed and later became "Sunnah".

                                          Although brother Wakas disagree I am certain that there is at least one prayer during daylight. I believe 2238 to talk about that. It is not overly important as a righteous Believer will observe regular prayers more than God prescribed as minimum anyways. I suspect that, for example, Muhammad did asr and maghrib prayers as his own preference of regular prayers.

                                          God bless you

                                          1 Reply Last reply
                                          0
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Don't have an account? Register

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Recent
                                          • Users