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    muslims
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    Comparison

    A comparative study of religion or madhhab, and din, should help us understand the vital and fundamental characteristics of each and the differences between the two

    1. Madhhab is merely some sort of subjective experience and is concerned only with the so-called private relationship between God and man.

    Din is an objective reality and a system of collective life.

    1. Every follower of a madhhab is satisfied that he has established a communion with the Almighty, and the objective of each individual is his own salvation.

    The aim of din on the other hand is the welfare and progress of all mankind, and the character and constitution of a society indicates whether or not it is founded upon the Divine Law.

    1. Madhhab does not afford us any objective. criterion by which we could determine whether or not our actions are producing the desired results.

    In a social order governed by din, the development of a collective and harmonious life correctly indicates whether or not the people are pursuing the right course.

    1. Madhhab is hostile to scientific investigation and is an adversary of reason, so that it could flourish unhampered with the aid of a blind faith.

    Din helps in the development of human reason and knowledge, allows full freedom to accept or reject on the basis of reason and arguments, and encourages investigation and discovery of all the natural phenomena to illumine the path of human life and its advancement in the light of the Permanent Values.

    1. Madhhab follows the susceptibilities and prejudices of men and pampers them.

    Din seeks to lead men to a path of life that is in harmony with the realities of life.

    1. In every age, therefore, madhhab sets up new idols and mumbo-jumbos in order to keep the people's attention away from the real problems of life.

    But din is rational and radical it breaks all idols, old and new, and is never variable in its principles.

    1. Madhhab induces a perpetual sense of fear in the minds of men and seeks to frighten them into conformity;

    While din treats fear as a form of polytheism and seeks to make men courageous, daring and self-reliant.

    1. Madhhab prompts men to bow before every seat of authority and prestige, religious as well as temporal.

    Din encourages man to walk about with his head erect, and attain self-confidence.

    1. Madhhab induces man to flee from struggle of life.

    But din calls upon him to face the realities of life squarely, whatever the hazards.

    1. Madhhab treats the world of matter with contempt and calls upon man to renounce it. It promises paradise only in the Hereafter as a reward for the renunciation of the material world.

    Din, on the other hand, enjoins the conquest of matter and leads man to immeasurable heights of attainment. It exhorts him to seek well-being and happiness in this world as well as felicity in the life Hereafter.

    1. Madhhab encourages belief in fatalism, and this tends to dissuade man from active life and self-development.

    Din gives man power to challenge fate, and provides energy for a life of activity and self-development.

    1. Madhhab seeks to comfort the weak, the helpless and the oppressed with the belief that the affairs of this world are governed by the Will of God and that its acceptance and resignation helps to endear them to God. This sort of teaching naturally tends to morbidity, and emboldens their religious leaders who profess to interpret the Will of God, so that they indulge in their misdeeds with perfect impunity and persuade the adherents to a complete and quiet submission.

    Din, on the other hand, raises the banner of revolt against all forms of tyranny and exploitation. It calls upon the weak and the oppressed to follow the Divine Laws and thereby seek to establish a social order in which all tyrants and oppressors will be forced to accept the dictates of right and justice. In this social order, there is no place for dictators, capitalists or priests. They are all enemies of din.

    1. Madhhab enjoins religious meditation in the name of worship and thus induces self-deception.

    Din exhorts men to assert themselves and struggle perpetually for the establishment of the Divine Social Order, and its betterment when attained. Worship in din really means obedience to the Laws of God.

    1. Madhhab frowns and sneers at all things of art and beauty.

    Din defies those who forbid the enjoyment of the good and beautiful things of life which God has created for the enjoyment of man.

    1. Madhhab denounces everything new and declares all innovation as sin.

    Din holds that the needs and demands of human life keep changing with the change in the conditions of life; change and innovation are, therefore, demanded by life itself. Only the Divine Laws are immutable.

    It should now be easy for us to see the fundamental difference between din and madhhab. Islam means saying "Yes" to life; while the response of religion is "No"!

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      Scribbler
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      #223

      +salaam brother al-amiyr

      Thank you and you are also a great thinker and I'm learning a lot from you. We do our best to "Salat".

      +salaam
      muslims

      Dear brother, muslims.

      May peace be upon you.

      I would like to kindly ask you, from a Quranic perspective, what do you believe the word 'salat' to mean?

      You don't have to explain in details, just put your response in a simple sentence.

      Peace to you )

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        muslims
        wrote on last edited by
        #224

        Dear brother, muslims.

        May peace be upon you.

        I would like to kindly ask you, from a Quranic perspective, what do you believe the word 'salat' to mean?

        You don't have to explain in details, just put your response in a simple sentence.

        Peace to you )

        Dear brother, Scribbler.

        This is salat.

        Indeed, prayer prohibits immorality and wrongdoing (<a href="http//quran.com/29/45">2945</a&gt

        May peace be upon you. pr

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          Scribbler
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          Dear brother, Scribbler.

          This is salat.

          May peace be upon you. pr

          Peace be with you, brother.

          Thank you for your kind reply.

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            muslims
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            #226

            To every nation We appointed acts of devotion which they observe (5101)

            Meaning of Salat for each element.

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            and basically, the objectives of Ibada are as follows

            Fast "..decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you
            that you may become righteous.." (2183)
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            Sadaqah "..Take from their wealth a charity by which you purify them
            and cause them increase.." (9103)
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            Hajj (or else) "..That they may witness benefits for themselves
            and mention the name of Allah.." (222
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            Salat "..prayer prohibits immorality and wrongdoing.." (2945)
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            Shahada Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameen

            comparison

            The Formula

            It is He who has sent among the unlettered
            a Messenger from themselves

            1. reciting to them His verses and
            2. purifying them and
            3. teaching them the Book
            4. and wisdom
              although they were before in clear error
              (<a href="http//quran.com/62/2">622</a&gt

            Primary importance

            Command War zone Objectives (primary importance)
            (illusion) (reality)
            an acts of -> How -> - become righteous (ourselves)
            devotion to - to purify ourselves
            perform? - witness benefits in ourselves
            etc. - prohibits immorality/wrongdoing in ourselves

            • understanding of reality (ourselves)

            Have we achieved the objectives?

            If not, we are still not performing those "Ibada".

            It is, in fact, not an Ibada (iman and amal, burden of proof).

            For example

            We will know what is the reality, universe and what is Allah. We are able to return our Shahada, and not as hypocrites; ie. those who will not benefit from the Shahada and no matter how many times he may have made that statement during his life.

            Say Shall We inform you of the greatest losers in (their) deeds?

            (These are) they whose labor
            is lost in this world's life
            and they think
            that they are well versed in skill of the work of hands

            These are they who disbelieve
            in the communications of their Lord and His meeting
            so their deeds become null
            and therefore We will not set up a balance for them
            on the day of resurrection.

            Thus it is that their recompense is hell

            because they disbelieved
            and held My communications
            and My messengers
            in mockery
            (<a href="http//quran.com/18/103-106">18103-106</a&gt

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              muslims
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              #227

              He said, "Indeed, with me you will never be able to have patience
              and how can you have patience for what you do not encompass in knowledge?
              (1867-68)

              What does the Qur'an teach?

              Rule Justly Balanced Exception
              (Right) (When being wrong is right)

              Human (?) cause I know that Successor
              corruption which you (Adam & Angels)
              (230) do not know (230)

              Unlawful sexual Marriage Lawful sexual
              intercourse intercourse
              (1732) (1732)

              Cannot kill War/ Can kill
              a person Defense a person
              (532) (22.39)

              Forbidden to eat Emergency Can eat
              swine flesh swine flesh
              (2173) (2173)

              One wife Orphan Multiple wives
              (3350) (43)

              Follow strictly Signs/ Use reasoning
              Allah's words Awwaliyah (822)

              Cannot commit Avoid Can commit
              mischief Mudharat mischief
              (1867-82)

              Cannot commit Just Can commit
              evil evil
              (16125)

              Unity Wrongdoing No unity
              (4213) (3030-32)

              and so on...

              From the above, we can see that the Qur'an teaches us how to balance and achieve justice ..

              It is the "Ihdina assirata almustaqeem" (16); "..and you become three kinds.." (567)

              Why it is about balance and just?

              Because ...

              We cannot change to what is right (just) in the fire element. -> unjust to the air, water and earth.
              We cannot change to what is right (just) in the air element. -> unjust to the fire, water and earth.
              We cannot change to what is right (just) in the water element. -> unjust to the fire, air and earth.
              We cannot change to what is right (just) in the earth element. -> unjust to the fire, air and water.
              We cannot change to what is right (just) in all these elements.
              We cannot change what is wrong (unjust) in all these elements.

              However, we can balance the major and minor "right (just)" in all these elements.
              ie. right 1 + right 2 + right 3 + right 4 and so on...

              For example

              The degree of what is right.

              25% wrong (unjust) -> means 75% right (just)
              50% wrong (unjust) -> means 50% right (just)
              75% wrong (unjust) -> means 25% right (just)
              100% wrong (unjust) -> means 0% right (just)

              http//s11.postimg.org/hq4ht9ic3/humanunity.png

              Can 0% or less than 50% wrong (unjust) be achieved?

              Nope, because all these elements exist in all living creatures.

              It is Sunnatullah, and Allah is The Just, Al-`Adl (&#1604.

              Therefore, our real issue in life is why human are fighting each other and standing for what is right or wrong? (refer here)

              Our real issue in life is why not stand up for human unity, based on what is just and balance?

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              To this then go on inviting <-- Task for Muslims
              and go on steadfastly <- refer to the above sponsorship program - Duty Awareness
              on the right way
              as you are commanded
              and do not follow their low desires <- don't argue with them, focus on unity, peace and harmony
              and say What is a Mushrikeen? (3030-32)

              I believe in what Allah has revealed of the Book
              and I am commanded to do justice between you <-- role as Mediators and Conciliators
              Allah is our Lord and your Lord vs. Provoker & create more divisions
              we shall have our deeds
              and you shall have your deeds
              no plea need there be (now) between us and you <- no argument! ignore right/wrong &
              Allah will gather us together focus on unity, peace and harmony
              and to Him is the return

              (<a href="http//quran.com/42/10-16">4210-16</a&gt

              ..

              A Muslim must now learn how to become Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator. There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".

              Follow this rule....

              O mankind, indeed We have created you
              from male and female <- differences - What we can learn from husband & wife relationship?
              and made you peoples How they can build family and unite under one roof?
              and tribes How they balance their differences? Protect each other.
              What about different species of animals? How they live?
              that you may know one another <- unite and learn how to balance our life from others

              Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah
              is the most righteous of you <- justly balanced
              Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
              (4913)

              http//s13.postimg.org/f0sag5q85/solat.png

              • Compare with how other religions performing their prayers. Which element?

              Not this rule...

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              http//s24.postimg.org/ebh5sqdth/fire.png

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                Zulf
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                #228

                Peace,
                Just wondered, where do all the graphics and illustrations come from?

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                  muslims
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #229

                  Peace,
                  Just wondered, where do all the graphics and illustrations come from?

                  Salam Zulf

                  Self edit image, for easy understanding.

                  Peace.

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                    muslims
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                    #230

                    Other forms of Shirk

                    The Flow of Ideas

                    Basically, Shirk relates to "ideas" that are inconsistent and against the ideas in the Qur'an. It is the "gods and ulamas inside ourselves" that count. Nothing can harm our relationship with Allah if we are not accepting these inconsistent "ideas" (<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a&gt.

                    Consequence Self Acceptance Human Ideas Self Action (Conduct)
                    vs. Qur'an Ideas

                    No Shirk <- Internal Self <- Consistent <- Prophet Sulaiman build statues
                    (Acceptance) Ideas for communication (<a href="http//quran.com/34/10-16">3410-16</a&gt

                    Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Stone as God
                    (Acceptance) Ideas

                    Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Fire as God
                    (Acceptance) Ideas

                    Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Shiva as God
                    (Acceptance) Ideas

                    Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Jesus as God
                    (Acceptance) Ideas

                    Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Follow the Ulama (Arbab)
                    (Acceptance) Ideas (<a href="http//quran.com/3/150">3150</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/3/64">364</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/17/56-57">1756-57</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/23/47">2347</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/40/29">4029</a&gt
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                    Gods & Ulamas (<a href="http//quran.com/45/23">4523</a&gt
                    (Personal Adviser)
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                    Level for Determination
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                    "..Allah has not put for any man two hearts inside his body.." (<a href="http//quran.com/33/4">334</a&gt
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                    Heart

                    Therefore, the gods and ulamas are within ourselves. It is the "ideas" that are inconsistent with the Qur'anic Ideas.

                    Therefore our primary question in life is how far we are able to control the ideas within ourselves?

                    For the sake of testing ourselves and to realize the gods and ulamas inside ourselves, try to stop eating, drinking and sleeping for 3 straight days (72 hours). Are we able to achieve this target or we are still hypocrites? This is not suggested by the Qur'an, and only a simple self-test to prove the existence of gods and ulamas inside ourselves. A simple test to realize the flow of ideas within ourselves and how far we are able to control these ideas.

                    Do the people think
                    that they will be left to say,
                    "We believe"
                    and they will not be tried?

                    But We have certainly tried those before them
                    and Allah will surely make evident
                    those who are truthful
                    and He will surely make evident
                    the liars

                    Or do those who do evil deeds think they can outrun Us?
                    Evil is what they judge
                    (<a href="http//quran.com/29/2-4">292-4</a&gt

                    "...Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior..." (334)

                    It may become a Shirk when we assign the following attributes to any other than Allah.

                    Allah Names/Attributes Shirk? (Internal Self / Acceptance)

                    1. Allah (The Greatest Name) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    2. Ar-Rahman (The All-Compassionate) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    3. Ar-Rahim (The All-Merciful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    4. Al-Malik (The Absolute Ruler) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    5. Al-Quddus (The Pure One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    6. As-Salam (The Source of Peace) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    7. Al-Mu'min (The Inspirer of Faith) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    8. Al-Muhaymin (The Guardian) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    9. Al-Aziz (The Victorious) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    10. Al-Jabbar (The Compeller) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    11. Al-Mutakabbir (The Greatest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    12. Al-Khaliq (The Creator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    13. Al-Bari' (The Maker of Order) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    14. Al-Musawwir (The Shaper of Beauty) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    15. Al-Ghaffar (The Forgiving) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    16. Al-Qahhar (The Subduer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    17. Al-Wahhab (The Giver of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    18. Ar-Razzaq (The Sustainer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    19. Al-Fattah (The Opener) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    20. Al-`Alim (The Knower of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    21. Al-Qabid (The Constrictor) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    22. Al-Basit (The Reliever) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    23. Al-Khafid (The Abaser) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    24. Ar-Rafi (The Exalter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    25. Al-Mu'izz (The Bestower of Honors) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    26. Al-Mudhill (The Humiliator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    27. As-Sami (The Hearer of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    28. Al-Basir (The Seer of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    29. Al-Hakam (The Judge) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    30. Al-`Adl (The Just) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    31. Al-Latif (The Subtle One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    32. Al-Khabir (The All-Aware) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    33. Al-Halim (The Forbearing) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    34. Al-Azim (The Magnificent) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    35. Al-Ghafur (Forgiver & Hider of Faults) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    36. Ash-Shakur (Rewarder of Thankfulness) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    37. Al-Ali (The Highest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    38. Al-Kabir (The Greatest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    39. Al-Hafiz (The Preserver) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    40. Al-Muqit (The Nourisher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    41. Al-Hasib (The Accounter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    42. Al-Jalil (The Mighty) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    43. Al-Karim (The Generous) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    44. Ar-Raqib (The Watchful One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    45. Al-Mujib (The Responder to Prayer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    46. Al-Wasi (The All-Comprehending) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    47. Al-Hakim (The Perfectly Wise) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    48. Al-Wadud (The Loving One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    49. Al-Majid (The Majestic One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    50. Al-Ba'ith (The Resurrector) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    51. Ash-Shahid (The Witness) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    52. Al-Haqq (The Truth) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    53. Al-Wakil (The Trustee) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    54. Al-Qawiyy (The Possessor of All Strength) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    55. Al-Matin (The Forceful One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    56. Al-Waliyy (The Governor) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    57. Al-Hamid (The Praised One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    58. Al-Muhsi (The Appraiser) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    59. Al-Mubdi' (The Originator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    60. Al-Mu'id (The Restorer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    61. Al-Muhyi (The Giver of Life) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    62. Al-Mumit (The Taker of Life) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    63. Al-Hayy (The Ever Living One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    64. Al-Qayyum (The Self-Existing One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    65. Al-Wajid (The Finder) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    66. Al-Majid (The Glorious) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    67. Al-Wahid (The One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    68. As-Samad (The Satisfier of All Needs) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    69. Al-Qadir (The All Powerful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    70. Al-Muqtadir (The Creator of All Power) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    71. Al-Muqaddim (The Expediter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    72. Al-Mu'akhkhir (The Delayer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    73. Al-Awwal (The First) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    74. Al-Akhir (The Last) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    75. Az-Zahir (The Manifest One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    76. Al-Batin (The Hidden One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    77. Al-Wali (The Protecting Friend) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    78. Al-Muta'ali (The Supreme One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    79. Al-Barr (The Doer of Good) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    80. At-Tawwab (The Guide to Repentance) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    81. Al-Muntaqim (The Avenger) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    82. Al-'Afuww (The Forgiver) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    83. Ar-Ra'uf (The Clement) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    84. Malik-al-Mulk (The Owner of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    85. Dhu-al-Jalal wa-al-Ikram Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      (Lord of Majesty & Bounty)
                    86. Al-Muqsit (The Equitable One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    87. Al-Jami' (The Gatherer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    88. Al-Ghani (The Rich One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    89. Al-Mughni (The Enricher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    90. Al-Mani' (The Preventer of Harm) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    91. Ad-Darr (The Creator of The Harmful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    92. An-Nafi' (The Creator of Good) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    93. An-Nur (The Light) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    94. Al-Hadi (The Guide) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    95. Al-Badi (The Originator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    96. Al-Baqi (The Everlasting One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    97. Al-Warith (The Inheritor of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    98. Ar-Rashid (The Righteous Teacher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                    99. As-Sabur (The Patient One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?

                    Primary consequences....

                    Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN
                    In a protected Book <- if Allah says it is protected, who can unlock its true understanding?
                    None can grasp it
                    except those purified (from Shirk) <- the key to understand the true meaning of the Qur'an
                    (5677-79)

                    Level of understanding the Qur'an - on the standard of justly balanced
                    Shirk (%) |<-- 100--> 90 --> 80 --> 70 --> 60 --> 50 --> 40 --> 30 --> 20 --> 10 -->| 0%
                    Qur'an (%) |<-- 0 --> 10 --> 20 --> 30 --> 40 --> 50 --> 60 --> 70 --> 80 --> 90 -->| 100%

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                      Other forms of Shirk

                      "...Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior..." (334)

                      It may become a Shirk when we assign the following attributes to any other than Allah.

                      Allah Names/Attributes Shirk? (Internal Self / Acceptance)

                      1. Allah (The Greatest Name) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      2. Ar-Rahman (The All-Compassionate) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      3. Ar-Rahim (The All-Merciful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      4. Al-Malik (The Absolute Ruler) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      5. Al-Quddus (The Pure One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      6. As-Salam (The Source of Peace) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      7. Al-Mu'min (The Inspirer of Faith) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      8. Al-Muhaymin (The Guardian) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      9. Al-Aziz (The Victorious) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      10. Al-Jabbar (The Compeller) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      11. Al-Mutakabbir (The Greatest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      12. Al-Khaliq (The Creator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      13. Al-Bari' (The Maker of Order) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      14. Al-Musawwir (The Shaper of Beauty) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      15. Al-Ghaffar (The Forgiving) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      16. Al-Qahhar (The Subduer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      17. Al-Wahhab (The Giver of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      18. Ar-Razzaq (The Sustainer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      19. Al-Fattah (The Opener) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      20. Al-`Alim (The Knower of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      21. Al-Qabid (The Constrictor) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      22. Al-Basit (The Reliever) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      23. Al-Khafid (The Abaser) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      24. Ar-Rafi (The Exalter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      25. Al-Mu'izz (The Bestower of Honors) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      26. Al-Mudhill (The Humiliator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      27. As-Sami (The Hearer of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      28. Al-Basir (The Seer of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      29. Al-Hakam (The Judge) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      30. Al-`Adl (The Just) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      31. Al-Latif (The Subtle One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      32. Al-Khabir (The All-Aware) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      33. Al-Halim (The Forbearing) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      34. Al-Azim (The Magnificent) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      35. Al-Ghafur (Forgiver & Hider of Faults) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      36. Ash-Shakur (Rewarder of Thankfulness) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      37. Al-Ali (The Highest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      38. Al-Kabir (The Greatest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      39. Al-Hafiz (The Preserver) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      40. Al-Muqit (The Nourisher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      41. Al-Hasib (The Accounter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      42. Al-Jalil (The Mighty) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      43. Al-Karim (The Generous) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      44. Ar-Raqib (The Watchful One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      45. Al-Mujib (The Responder to Prayer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      46. Al-Wasi (The All-Comprehending) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      47. Al-Hakim (The Perfectly Wise) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      48. Al-Wadud (The Loving One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      49. Al-Majid (The Majestic One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      50. Al-Ba'ith (The Resurrector) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      51. Ash-Shahid (The Witness) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      52. Al-Haqq (The Truth) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      53. Al-Wakil (The Trustee) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      54. Al-Qawiyy (The Possessor of All Strength) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      55. Al-Matin (The Forceful One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      56. Al-Waliyy (The Governor) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      57. Al-Hamid (The Praised One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      58. Al-Muhsi (The Appraiser) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      59. Al-Mubdi' (The Originator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      60. Al-Mu'id (The Restorer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      61. Al-Muhyi (The Giver of Life) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      62. Al-Mumit (The Taker of Life) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      63. Al-Hayy (The Ever Living One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      64. Al-Qayyum (The Self-Existing One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      65. Al-Wajid (The Finder) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      66. Al-Majid (The Glorious) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      67. Al-Wahid (The One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      68. As-Samad (The Satisfier of All Needs) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      69. Al-Qadir (The All Powerful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      70. Al-Muqtadir (The Creator of All Power) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      71. Al-Muqaddim (The Expediter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      72. Al-Mu'akhkhir (The Delayer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      73. Al-Awwal (The First) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      74. Al-Akhir (The Last) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      75. Az-Zahir (The Manifest One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      76. Al-Batin (The Hidden One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      77. Al-Wali (The Protecting Friend) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      78. Al-Muta'ali (The Supreme One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      79. Al-Barr (The Doer of Good) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      80. At-Tawwab (The Guide to Repentance) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      81. Al-Muntaqim (The Avenger) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      82. Al-'Afuww (The Forgiver) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      83. Ar-Ra'uf (The Clement) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      84. Malik-al-Mulk (The Owner of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      85. Dhu-al-Jalal wa-al-Ikram Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                        (Lord of Majesty & Bounty)
                      86. Al-Muqsit (The Equitable One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      87. Al-Jami' (The Gatherer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      88. Al-Ghani (The Rich One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      89. Al-Mughni (The Enricher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      90. Al-Mani' (The Preventer of Harm) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      91. Ad-Darr (The Creator of The Harmful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      92. An-Nafi' (The Creator of Good) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      93. An-Nur (The Light) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      94. Al-Hadi (The Guide) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      95. Al-Badi (The Originator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      96. Al-Baqi (The Everlasting One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      97. Al-Warith (The Inheritor of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      98. Ar-Rashid (The Righteous Teacher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                      99. As-Sabur (The Patient One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?

                      Primary consequences....

                      Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN
                      In a protected Book <- if Allah says it is protected, who can unlock its true understanding?
                      None can grasp it
                      except those purified (from Shirk) <- the key to understand the true meaning of the Qur'an
                      (5677-79)

                      And it is not the word of a poet
                      little do you believe
                      Nor the word of a soothsayer
                      little do you remember
                      a revelation from the Lord of the worlds
                      (6941-43)

                      Peace Brother,

                      Allah's Names by Just 99 Names ?. I think you are referring Hadith

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                        Peace Brother,

                        Allah's Names by Just 99 Names ?. I think you are referring Hadith

                        Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                        Yes brother, for easy understanding and this thread is not related to Asma Ul Husna. You can open a new thread to discuss in depth about the names/attributes of Allah.

                        As for this thread, I'm referring to what is generally accepted by Muslim.

                        It is translated as The Best Identifiers ( 208 )

                        What is "Identifiers"?

                        one that identifies

                        Noun 1. identifier - a symbol that establishes the identity of the one bearing it
                        symbol - an arbitrary sign (written or printed) that has acquired
                        a conventional significance

                        Therefore, must Allah names/attributes be specific?

                        Not necessarily be specific names/attributes, and it is sufficient for us to understand Allah's attributes.

                        Further, there is nothing wrong to refer to a hadith on "the standard of justly balanced" (or refer to other religious books, and so as other books that relates to science, mathematics, philosophy, economy etc.), unless to those who belong to sects or religious dogma, whatever their names are (label/illusion).

                        Peace brother.

                        p/s If you don't mind.. I would like to ask "Whether waiting/hoping for a Messenger or savior to come and save us is a Shirk?" What is your opinion on the matter?

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                          hadith = shirk hypno

                          It's obvious but many fail to see it! nope

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                            hadith = shirk hypno

                            It's obvious but many fail to see it! nope

                            Salam,

                            For religious people.. yes, but I am not religious people, sorry.

                            Just and balance has no religion and it is the Deen of Islam.

                            Further, there is nothing wrong to refer to a hadith on "the standard of justly balanced" (or refer to other religious books, and so as other books that relates to science, mathematics, philosophy, economy etc.), unless to those who belong to sects or religious dogma, whatever their names are (label/illusion).

                            Ibrahim was not a Jew <- Ibrahim has no religion. So as Muhammad, not a Jew/Christian (religion).
                            nor a Christian http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
                            but he was (an) upright (man) <- showing a great concern for what is right, fair and truthful way
                            a Muslim <- defined by the above ayat - an upright man - obedience and justly balanced.
                            and he was not one of the polytheists <- Concern with right/wrong in religious matters - 3030-32

                            Most surely the nearest of people to Ibrahim
                            are those
                            who followed him
                            and this Prophet
                            and those who believe
                            and Allah is the guardian of the believers
                            (367-6

                            I'm from Malaysia and practicing all faiths that are glorifying just and balance, whether it is from the hadith, other sects or any other religions. Islam rejects the idea of religion and the only way to reject all religions is to accept all religions. Peace!! )

                            peace brother.

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                              Primary consequences....

                              Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN
                              In a protected Book <- if Allah says it is protected, who can unlock its true understanding?
                              None can grasp it
                              except those purified (from Shirk) <- the key to understand the true meaning of the Qur'an
                              (5677-79)

                              Level of understanding the Qur'an - on the standard of justly balanced <- not on the label of a Muslim.
                              Shirk (%) |<-- 100--> 90 --> 80 --> 70 --> 60 --> 50 --> 40 --> 30 --> 20 --> 10 -->| 0%
                              Qur'an (%) |<-- 0 --> 10 --> 20 --> 30 --> 40 --> 50 --> 60 --> 70 --> 80 --> 90 -->| 100%
                              Obedience (%) |<-- 0 --> 10 --> 20 --> 30 --> 40 --> 50 --> 60 --> 70 --> 80 --> 90 -->| 100%
                              http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                              (334)
                              (4523)
                              (2543)

                              And set forth to them a parable of two men
                              for one of them We made two gardens of grape vines
                              and We surrounded them both with palms
                              and in the midst of them We made cornfields

                              Both these gardens yielded their fruits
                              and failed not aught thereof
                              and We caused a river to gush forth in their midst

                              And he possessed much wealth

                              so he said to his companion, while he disputed with him

                              I have greater wealth than you, and am mightier in followers <- Shirk? This is what most people
                              https//www.google.com/help/hc/images/sites_icon_arrow_up_small.gif would say. Greater wealth,
                              And he entered his garden https//www.google.com/help/hc/images/sites_icon_arrow_up_small.gif knowledge, skills, family etc.
                              while he was unjust to himself, He said <- On the issue of justly balanced within ourselves.
                              I do not think that this will ever perish <- This is also what most people would say.
                              And I do not think the hour will come i.e. not come within the next few hours, days, years etc.
                              and even if I am returned to my Lord <- Same, and most people believe they will be in Paradise.
                              I will most certainly find a returning place better than this Proof that he believe in Allah and the
                              Hour will come, but not in his lifetime.
                              His companion said to him while disputing with him

                              Do you disbelieve in Him <- Shirk?
                              Who created you from dust
                              then from a small seed
                              then He made you a perfect man?

                              But as for me
                              He, Allah, is my Lord
                              and I do not associate anyone with my Lord <- Who is "anyone" in this story context? Self?

                              And wherefore did you not say when you entered your garden
                              It is as Allah has pleased, there is no power save in Allah?
                              If you consider me to be inferior to you in wealth and children
                              Then maybe my Lord will give me what is better than your garden

                              and send on it a thunderbolt from heaven
                              so that it shall become even ground without plant
                              Or its waters should sink down into the ground
                              so that you are unable to find it
                              And his wealth was destroyed
                              so he began to wring his hands
                              for what he had spent on it
                              while it lay, having fallen down upon its roofs, and he said

                              Ah me! would that I had not associated anyone with my Lord
                              And he had no host to help him besides Allah
                              nor could he defend himself

                              Here is protection only Allah's
                              the True One
                              He is best in (the giving of) reward
                              and best in requiting

                              And set forth to them parable of the life of this world
                              like water which We send down from the cloud
                              so the herbage of the earth
                              becomes tangled on account of it
                              then it becomes dry broken into pieces which the winds scatter
                              and Allah is the holder of power over all things

                              Wealth and children are an adornment of the life of this world
                              and the ever-abiding
                              the good works
                              are better with your Lord in reward
                              and better in expectation

                              (1832-4

                              Allah
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                              Reality
                              (Khalif)
                              (Witnessing and understanding 99 attributes of Allah in the Universe)
                              (Only then we will understand what is "Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameen&quot
                              ( &#1605
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                              Soul
                              http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                              Heart
                              (Language of the Heart)
                              (Understanding of the Qur'an)
                              (requirement = 100% obedience)
                              http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                              Mind
                              http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                              In between
                              (Top Buddhist Monk +/- ??)
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                              Nafs
                              (We are here - nafs-i-ammara )
                              Scientist and Philosopher?
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                              Animal
                              (requirement = 0% obedience)
                              (<a href="http//quran.com/7/176">7176</a&gt

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                                Therefore our primary question in life is how far we are able to control the ideas within ourselves?

                                Shirk in the form of a very fine, the pleasure felt while dzikr, salat or ibada etc, and which motivates us to do more ibada, salat or dzikr etc. It is so because our ibada will not be because of Allah, but because of the excitement performing ibada etc, ie. self. However, this is not necessarily damaging since we will be divided into three groups (567-10). It is just something to be taken into consideration, by those who wish to find the ultimate truth.

                                And the soul and Him Who made it perfect
                                Then He inspired it
                                to understand
                                what is right
                                and wrong for it
                                He will indeed be successful who purifies it
                                And he will indeed fail who corrupts it
                                (917-10)

                                Smart and brilliant people can never know reality and Allah. Because they are too smart.

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                                And rely on Allah
                                and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
                                Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior.
                                (333-4)

                                Our glass will first need to be emptied and clean.
                                (100% obedience and free from shirk)

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                                Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth
                                a likeness of His light is as a niche in which is a lamp
                                the lamp is in a glass
                                (and) the glass is as it were a brightly shining star
                                lit from a blessed olive-tree
                                neither eastern nor western
                                the oil whereof almost gives light though fire touch it not
                                light upon light
                                Allah guides to His light whom He pleases
                                and Allah sets forth parables for men
                                and Allah is Cognizant of all things
                                (2435)

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                                  The key to understand justly balanced is always in the opposite condition (understanding of right and wrong, good or evil etc.), and mostly and mostly attainable at the highest level of condition. For example

                                  To understand Ar-Rahman (The All-Compassionate) ...
                                  We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated harshly; (0).

                                  To understand Ar-Rahim (The All-Merciful) ...
                                  We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated cruelly; (0).

                                  To understand Al-`Adl (The Just) ...
                                  We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated unjustly; (0).

                                  and so on..

                                  It was a tough one but only through this process our heart (glass) can become empty and we will rely entirely on Allah (no other option). Otherwise, we are relying on ourselves (ego) or others, not Allah.

                                  Say He has power to send torment on you <- how Allah guide us to what is just and balance?
                                  from above
                                  or from under your feet
                                  or to cover you with confusion in party strife
                                  and make you to taste
                                  the violence of one another
                                  See how variously We explain the Ayat
                                  so that they may understand.
                                  (665)

                                  Example on the standard required to attain righteousness

                                  By no means shall you attain to righteousness
                                  until you spend (benevolently)
                                  out of what you love
                                  and whatever thing you spend
                                  Allah surely knows it
                                  (392)

                                  And they ask you as to what they should spend (sadaqah)
                                  Say What you can spare
                                  Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications
                                  that you may ponder
                                  (2219)

                                  The recommended method for obedience of the Qur'an is initially through mastering the ibada of fasting (days), sadaqah, reading the Qur'an or dzikr and while doing good to others.

                                  This is the Book (the Quran)
                                  whereof there is no doubt
                                  a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun <- The first condition to understand the Qur'an.
                                  (22) Other than Al-Muttaqun?

                                  Therefore, first objective = becoming Al-Muttaqun

                                  Fast "..decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you
                                  that you may become righteous.." (2183)
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                                  Sadaqah "..Take from their wealth a charity by which you purify them
                                  and cause them increase.." (9103)

                                  And in no way will you (even) be a guide to the blind out of their errancy
                                  decidedly you will not make any to hear
                                  except for the ones who believe in Our signs
                                  and so they are Muslims (i.e., those that surrender to Allah)
                                  (3053)

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                                    hadith = shirk hypno

                                    It's obvious but many fail to see it! nope

                                    Excellent.
                                    22 This is the Book. hence all other books other than Quran belongs to dustbin.
                                    7750 Then in what statement (by Bukhari Hadith )after the Qur'an will they believe?

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                                      Excellent.
                                      22 This is the Book. hence all other books other than Quran belongs to dustbin.
                                      7750 Then in what statement (by Bukhari Hadith )after the Qur'an will they believe?

                                      Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                                      I believe you are reading the ayat out of its context and its true meaning.

                                      RED Can you please explain verse 7750?

                                      This is the Day of Judgement
                                      We will have assembled you and the former peoples
                                      So if you have a plan, then plan against Me
                                      Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                      Indeed, the righteous will be among shades and springs
                                      And fruits from whatever they desire
                                      , "Eat and drink in satisfaction for what you used to do"
                                      Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good.
                                      Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                      , eat and enjoy yourselves a little
                                      indeed, you are criminals
                                      Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                      And when it is said to them, "Bow," (ir'ka) they do not bow
                                      Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                      Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe? <- relating to those who deny the
                                      (7738-50) Day of Judgement? Doing good?

                                      ir'ka
                                      = Ra-Kaf-Ayn = bowed, bent, incline, humility, humble yourself, lower the head, fell upon his face, stumbled.

                                      And I don't understand why are referring to 22.

                                      This is the Book about which there is no doubt
                                      a guidance for those conscious of Allah
                                      (22)

                                      Where did Allah say it is shirk to follow what is justly balance?

                                      Where did Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                                      The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

                                      Do you covet
                                      that they would believe for you
                                      while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
                                      and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
                                      while they were knowing?
                                      (275)

                                      Peace brother.

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                                        Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                                        I believe you are reading the ayat out of its context and its true meaning.

                                        RED Can you please explain verse 7750?

                                        This is the Day of Judgement
                                        We will have assembled you and the former peoples
                                        So if you have a plan, then plan against Me
                                        Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                        Indeed, the righteous will be among shades and springs
                                        And fruits from whatever they desire
                                        , "Eat and drink in satisfaction for what you used to do"
                                        Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good.
                                        Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                        , eat and enjoy yourselves a little
                                        indeed, you are criminals
                                        Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                        And when it is said to them, "Bow," they do not bow
                                        Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                        Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe? <- relating to those who deny
                                        (7738-50) the Day of Judgement?

                                        and I don't understand why are referring to 22?

                                        Can you explain?

                                        This is the Book about which there is no doubt
                                        a guidance for those conscious of Allah
                                        (22)

                                        The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

                                        Do you covet
                                        that they would believe for you
                                        while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
                                        and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
                                        while they were knowing?
                                        (275)

                                        Further, where did Allah say it is shirk to follow what is justly balance?

                                        Where did Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                                        Peace brother.

                                        "Setting up partners" is not exclusive to the act of "creation". It's the setting up of partners of ANY kind including partners in source of guidance.

                                        Hadith should be treated like any essay or article here on free-minds. Otherwise, you're risking setting up partners with God.

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                                          "Setting up partners" is not exclusive to the act of "creation". It's the setting up of partners of ANY kind including partners in source of guidance.

                                          Hadith should be treated like any essay or article here on free-minds. Otherwise, you're risking setting up partners with God.

                                          Salam nonplus,

                                          I know and I'm rejecting unjust hadith (refer here).

                                          However, Allah prohibits us to deny what justly balanced (for example, 7738-50 above).

                                          To reject what is justly balanced on sectarian basis, is no difference than to be a sectarian itself.

                                          It is a religion of Islam, and not a deen of Islam.

                                          Therefore, can you give me an ayat that Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced?

                                          Can you give me an ayat where Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                                          Peace brother.

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