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  • M Offline
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    muslims
    wrote on last edited by
    #226

    To every nation We appointed acts of devotion which they observe (5101)

    Meaning of Salat for each element.

    http//s24.postimg.org/x33e8gyqd/salat.png

    and basically, the objectives of Ibada are as follows

    Fast "..decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you
    that you may become righteous.." (2183)
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    Sadaqah "..Take from their wealth a charity by which you purify them
    and cause them increase.." (9103)
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    Hajj (or else) "..That they may witness benefits for themselves
    and mention the name of Allah.." (222
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    Salat "..prayer prohibits immorality and wrongdoing.." (2945)
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    Shahada Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameen

    comparison

    The Formula

    It is He who has sent among the unlettered
    a Messenger from themselves

    1. reciting to them His verses and
    2. purifying them and
    3. teaching them the Book
    4. and wisdom
      although they were before in clear error
      (<a href="http//quran.com/62/2">622</a&gt

    Primary importance

    Command War zone Objectives (primary importance)
    (illusion) (reality)
    an acts of -> How -> - become righteous (ourselves)
    devotion to - to purify ourselves
    perform? - witness benefits in ourselves
    etc. - prohibits immorality/wrongdoing in ourselves

    • understanding of reality (ourselves)

    Have we achieved the objectives?

    If not, we are still not performing those "Ibada".

    It is, in fact, not an Ibada (iman and amal, burden of proof).

    For example

    We will know what is the reality, universe and what is Allah. We are able to return our Shahada, and not as hypocrites; ie. those who will not benefit from the Shahada and no matter how many times he may have made that statement during his life.

    Say Shall We inform you of the greatest losers in (their) deeds?

    (These are) they whose labor
    is lost in this world's life
    and they think
    that they are well versed in skill of the work of hands

    These are they who disbelieve
    in the communications of their Lord and His meeting
    so their deeds become null
    and therefore We will not set up a balance for them
    on the day of resurrection.

    Thus it is that their recompense is hell

    because they disbelieved
    and held My communications
    and My messengers
    in mockery
    (<a href="http//quran.com/18/103-106">18103-106</a&gt

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    • M Offline
      M Offline
      muslims
      wrote on last edited by
      #227

      He said, "Indeed, with me you will never be able to have patience
      and how can you have patience for what you do not encompass in knowledge?
      (1867-68)

      What does the Qur'an teach?

      Rule Justly Balanced Exception
      (Right) (When being wrong is right)

      Human (?) cause I know that Successor
      corruption which you (Adam & Angels)
      (230) do not know (230)

      Unlawful sexual Marriage Lawful sexual
      intercourse intercourse
      (1732) (1732)

      Cannot kill War/ Can kill
      a person Defense a person
      (532) (22.39)

      Forbidden to eat Emergency Can eat
      swine flesh swine flesh
      (2173) (2173)

      One wife Orphan Multiple wives
      (3350) (43)

      Follow strictly Signs/ Use reasoning
      Allah's words Awwaliyah (822)

      Cannot commit Avoid Can commit
      mischief Mudharat mischief
      (1867-82)

      Cannot commit Just Can commit
      evil evil
      (16125)

      Unity Wrongdoing No unity
      (4213) (3030-32)

      and so on...

      From the above, we can see that the Qur'an teaches us how to balance and achieve justice ..

      It is the "Ihdina assirata almustaqeem" (16); "..and you become three kinds.." (567)

      Why it is about balance and just?

      Because ...

      We cannot change to what is right (just) in the fire element. -> unjust to the air, water and earth.
      We cannot change to what is right (just) in the air element. -> unjust to the fire, water and earth.
      We cannot change to what is right (just) in the water element. -> unjust to the fire, air and earth.
      We cannot change to what is right (just) in the earth element. -> unjust to the fire, air and water.
      We cannot change to what is right (just) in all these elements.
      We cannot change what is wrong (unjust) in all these elements.

      However, we can balance the major and minor "right (just)" in all these elements.
      ie. right 1 + right 2 + right 3 + right 4 and so on...

      For example

      The degree of what is right.

      25% wrong (unjust) -> means 75% right (just)
      50% wrong (unjust) -> means 50% right (just)
      75% wrong (unjust) -> means 25% right (just)
      100% wrong (unjust) -> means 0% right (just)

      http//s11.postimg.org/hq4ht9ic3/humanunity.png

      Can 0% or less than 50% wrong (unjust) be achieved?

      Nope, because all these elements exist in all living creatures.

      It is Sunnatullah, and Allah is The Just, Al-`Adl (&#1604.

      Therefore, our real issue in life is why human are fighting each other and standing for what is right or wrong? (refer here)

      Our real issue in life is why not stand up for human unity, based on what is just and balance?

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      To this then go on inviting <-- Task for Muslims
      and go on steadfastly <- refer to the above sponsorship program - Duty Awareness
      on the right way
      as you are commanded
      and do not follow their low desires <- don't argue with them, focus on unity, peace and harmony
      and say What is a Mushrikeen? (3030-32)

      I believe in what Allah has revealed of the Book
      and I am commanded to do justice between you <-- role as Mediators and Conciliators
      Allah is our Lord and your Lord vs. Provoker & create more divisions
      we shall have our deeds
      and you shall have your deeds
      no plea need there be (now) between us and you <- no argument! ignore right/wrong &
      Allah will gather us together focus on unity, peace and harmony
      and to Him is the return

      (<a href="http//quran.com/42/10-16">4210-16</a&gt

      ..

      A Muslim must now learn how to become Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator. There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".

      Follow this rule....

      O mankind, indeed We have created you
      from male and female <- differences - What we can learn from husband & wife relationship?
      and made you peoples How they can build family and unite under one roof?
      and tribes How they balance their differences? Protect each other.
      What about different species of animals? How they live?
      that you may know one another <- unite and learn how to balance our life from others

      Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah
      is the most righteous of you <- justly balanced
      Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
      (4913)

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      • Compare with how other religions performing their prayers. Which element?

      Not this rule...

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      http//s24.postimg.org/ebh5sqdth/fire.png

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      • Z Offline
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        Zulf
        wrote on last edited by
        #228

        Peace,
        Just wondered, where do all the graphics and illustrations come from?

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        • M Offline
          M Offline
          muslims
          wrote on last edited by
          #229

          Peace,
          Just wondered, where do all the graphics and illustrations come from?

          Salam Zulf

          Self edit image, for easy understanding.

          Peace.

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          • M Offline
            M Offline
            muslims
            wrote on last edited by
            #230

            Other forms of Shirk

            The Flow of Ideas

            Basically, Shirk relates to "ideas" that are inconsistent and against the ideas in the Qur'an. It is the "gods and ulamas inside ourselves" that count. Nothing can harm our relationship with Allah if we are not accepting these inconsistent "ideas" (<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a&gt.

            Consequence Self Acceptance Human Ideas Self Action (Conduct)
            vs. Qur'an Ideas

            No Shirk <- Internal Self <- Consistent <- Prophet Sulaiman build statues
            (Acceptance) Ideas for communication (<a href="http//quran.com/34/10-16">3410-16</a&gt

            Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Stone as God
            (Acceptance) Ideas

            Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Fire as God
            (Acceptance) Ideas

            Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Shiva as God
            (Acceptance) Ideas

            Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Jesus as God
            (Acceptance) Ideas

            Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Follow the Ulama (Arbab)
            (Acceptance) Ideas (<a href="http//quran.com/3/150">3150</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/3/64">364</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/17/56-57">1756-57</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/23/47">2347</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/40/29">4029</a&gt
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            Gods & Ulamas (<a href="http//quran.com/45/23">4523</a&gt
            (Personal Adviser)
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            Level for Determination
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            "..Allah has not put for any man two hearts inside his body.." (<a href="http//quran.com/33/4">334</a&gt
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            Heart

            Therefore, the gods and ulamas are within ourselves. It is the "ideas" that are inconsistent with the Qur'anic Ideas.

            Therefore our primary question in life is how far we are able to control the ideas within ourselves?

            For the sake of testing ourselves and to realize the gods and ulamas inside ourselves, try to stop eating, drinking and sleeping for 3 straight days (72 hours). Are we able to achieve this target or we are still hypocrites? This is not suggested by the Qur'an, and only a simple self-test to prove the existence of gods and ulamas inside ourselves. A simple test to realize the flow of ideas within ourselves and how far we are able to control these ideas.

            Do the people think
            that they will be left to say,
            "We believe"
            and they will not be tried?

            But We have certainly tried those before them
            and Allah will surely make evident
            those who are truthful
            and He will surely make evident
            the liars

            Or do those who do evil deeds think they can outrun Us?
            Evil is what they judge
            (<a href="http//quran.com/29/2-4">292-4</a&gt

            "...Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior..." (334)

            It may become a Shirk when we assign the following attributes to any other than Allah.

            Allah Names/Attributes Shirk? (Internal Self / Acceptance)

            1. Allah (The Greatest Name) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            2. Ar-Rahman (The All-Compassionate) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            3. Ar-Rahim (The All-Merciful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            4. Al-Malik (The Absolute Ruler) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            5. Al-Quddus (The Pure One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            6. As-Salam (The Source of Peace) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            7. Al-Mu'min (The Inspirer of Faith) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            8. Al-Muhaymin (The Guardian) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            9. Al-Aziz (The Victorious) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            10. Al-Jabbar (The Compeller) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            11. Al-Mutakabbir (The Greatest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            12. Al-Khaliq (The Creator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            13. Al-Bari' (The Maker of Order) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            14. Al-Musawwir (The Shaper of Beauty) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            15. Al-Ghaffar (The Forgiving) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            16. Al-Qahhar (The Subduer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            17. Al-Wahhab (The Giver of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            18. Ar-Razzaq (The Sustainer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            19. Al-Fattah (The Opener) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            20. Al-`Alim (The Knower of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            21. Al-Qabid (The Constrictor) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            22. Al-Basit (The Reliever) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            23. Al-Khafid (The Abaser) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            24. Ar-Rafi (The Exalter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            25. Al-Mu'izz (The Bestower of Honors) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            26. Al-Mudhill (The Humiliator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            27. As-Sami (The Hearer of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            28. Al-Basir (The Seer of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            29. Al-Hakam (The Judge) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            30. Al-`Adl (The Just) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            31. Al-Latif (The Subtle One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            32. Al-Khabir (The All-Aware) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            33. Al-Halim (The Forbearing) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            34. Al-Azim (The Magnificent) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            35. Al-Ghafur (Forgiver & Hider of Faults) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            36. Ash-Shakur (Rewarder of Thankfulness) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            37. Al-Ali (The Highest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            38. Al-Kabir (The Greatest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            39. Al-Hafiz (The Preserver) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            40. Al-Muqit (The Nourisher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            41. Al-Hasib (The Accounter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            42. Al-Jalil (The Mighty) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            43. Al-Karim (The Generous) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            44. Ar-Raqib (The Watchful One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            45. Al-Mujib (The Responder to Prayer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            46. Al-Wasi (The All-Comprehending) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            47. Al-Hakim (The Perfectly Wise) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            48. Al-Wadud (The Loving One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            49. Al-Majid (The Majestic One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            50. Al-Ba'ith (The Resurrector) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            51. Ash-Shahid (The Witness) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            52. Al-Haqq (The Truth) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            53. Al-Wakil (The Trustee) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            54. Al-Qawiyy (The Possessor of All Strength) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            55. Al-Matin (The Forceful One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            56. Al-Waliyy (The Governor) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            57. Al-Hamid (The Praised One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            58. Al-Muhsi (The Appraiser) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            59. Al-Mubdi' (The Originator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            60. Al-Mu'id (The Restorer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            61. Al-Muhyi (The Giver of Life) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            62. Al-Mumit (The Taker of Life) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            63. Al-Hayy (The Ever Living One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            64. Al-Qayyum (The Self-Existing One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            65. Al-Wajid (The Finder) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            66. Al-Majid (The Glorious) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            67. Al-Wahid (The One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            68. As-Samad (The Satisfier of All Needs) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            69. Al-Qadir (The All Powerful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            70. Al-Muqtadir (The Creator of All Power) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            71. Al-Muqaddim (The Expediter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            72. Al-Mu'akhkhir (The Delayer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            73. Al-Awwal (The First) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            74. Al-Akhir (The Last) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            75. Az-Zahir (The Manifest One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            76. Al-Batin (The Hidden One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            77. Al-Wali (The Protecting Friend) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            78. Al-Muta'ali (The Supreme One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            79. Al-Barr (The Doer of Good) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            80. At-Tawwab (The Guide to Repentance) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            81. Al-Muntaqim (The Avenger) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            82. Al-'Afuww (The Forgiver) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            83. Ar-Ra'uf (The Clement) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            84. Malik-al-Mulk (The Owner of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            85. Dhu-al-Jalal wa-al-Ikram Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              (Lord of Majesty & Bounty)
            86. Al-Muqsit (The Equitable One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            87. Al-Jami' (The Gatherer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            88. Al-Ghani (The Rich One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            89. Al-Mughni (The Enricher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            90. Al-Mani' (The Preventer of Harm) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            91. Ad-Darr (The Creator of The Harmful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            92. An-Nafi' (The Creator of Good) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            93. An-Nur (The Light) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            94. Al-Hadi (The Guide) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            95. Al-Badi (The Originator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            96. Al-Baqi (The Everlasting One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            97. Al-Warith (The Inheritor of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            98. Ar-Rashid (The Righteous Teacher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
            99. As-Sabur (The Patient One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?

            Primary consequences....

            Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN
            In a protected Book <- if Allah says it is protected, who can unlock its true understanding?
            None can grasp it
            except those purified (from Shirk) <- the key to understand the true meaning of the Qur'an
            (5677-79)

            Level of understanding the Qur'an - on the standard of justly balanced
            Shirk (%) |<-- 100--> 90 --> 80 --> 70 --> 60 --> 50 --> 40 --> 30 --> 20 --> 10 -->| 0%
            Qur'an (%) |<-- 0 --> 10 --> 20 --> 30 --> 40 --> 50 --> 60 --> 70 --> 80 --> 90 -->| 100%

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            • J Offline
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              jhonsonmustafa
              wrote on last edited by
              #231

              Other forms of Shirk

              "...Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior..." (334)

              It may become a Shirk when we assign the following attributes to any other than Allah.

              Allah Names/Attributes Shirk? (Internal Self / Acceptance)

              1. Allah (The Greatest Name) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              2. Ar-Rahman (The All-Compassionate) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              3. Ar-Rahim (The All-Merciful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              4. Al-Malik (The Absolute Ruler) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              5. Al-Quddus (The Pure One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              6. As-Salam (The Source of Peace) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              7. Al-Mu'min (The Inspirer of Faith) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              8. Al-Muhaymin (The Guardian) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              9. Al-Aziz (The Victorious) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              10. Al-Jabbar (The Compeller) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              11. Al-Mutakabbir (The Greatest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              12. Al-Khaliq (The Creator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              13. Al-Bari' (The Maker of Order) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              14. Al-Musawwir (The Shaper of Beauty) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              15. Al-Ghaffar (The Forgiving) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              16. Al-Qahhar (The Subduer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              17. Al-Wahhab (The Giver of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              18. Ar-Razzaq (The Sustainer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              19. Al-Fattah (The Opener) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              20. Al-`Alim (The Knower of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              21. Al-Qabid (The Constrictor) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              22. Al-Basit (The Reliever) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              23. Al-Khafid (The Abaser) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              24. Ar-Rafi (The Exalter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              25. Al-Mu'izz (The Bestower of Honors) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              26. Al-Mudhill (The Humiliator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              27. As-Sami (The Hearer of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              28. Al-Basir (The Seer of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              29. Al-Hakam (The Judge) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              30. Al-`Adl (The Just) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              31. Al-Latif (The Subtle One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              32. Al-Khabir (The All-Aware) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              33. Al-Halim (The Forbearing) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              34. Al-Azim (The Magnificent) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              35. Al-Ghafur (Forgiver & Hider of Faults) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              36. Ash-Shakur (Rewarder of Thankfulness) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              37. Al-Ali (The Highest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              38. Al-Kabir (The Greatest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              39. Al-Hafiz (The Preserver) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              40. Al-Muqit (The Nourisher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              41. Al-Hasib (The Accounter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              42. Al-Jalil (The Mighty) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              43. Al-Karim (The Generous) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              44. Ar-Raqib (The Watchful One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              45. Al-Mujib (The Responder to Prayer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              46. Al-Wasi (The All-Comprehending) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              47. Al-Hakim (The Perfectly Wise) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              48. Al-Wadud (The Loving One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              49. Al-Majid (The Majestic One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              50. Al-Ba'ith (The Resurrector) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              51. Ash-Shahid (The Witness) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              52. Al-Haqq (The Truth) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              53. Al-Wakil (The Trustee) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              54. Al-Qawiyy (The Possessor of All Strength) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              55. Al-Matin (The Forceful One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              56. Al-Waliyy (The Governor) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              57. Al-Hamid (The Praised One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              58. Al-Muhsi (The Appraiser) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              59. Al-Mubdi' (The Originator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              60. Al-Mu'id (The Restorer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              61. Al-Muhyi (The Giver of Life) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              62. Al-Mumit (The Taker of Life) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              63. Al-Hayy (The Ever Living One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              64. Al-Qayyum (The Self-Existing One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              65. Al-Wajid (The Finder) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              66. Al-Majid (The Glorious) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              67. Al-Wahid (The One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              68. As-Samad (The Satisfier of All Needs) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              69. Al-Qadir (The All Powerful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              70. Al-Muqtadir (The Creator of All Power) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              71. Al-Muqaddim (The Expediter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              72. Al-Mu'akhkhir (The Delayer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              73. Al-Awwal (The First) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              74. Al-Akhir (The Last) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              75. Az-Zahir (The Manifest One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              76. Al-Batin (The Hidden One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              77. Al-Wali (The Protecting Friend) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              78. Al-Muta'ali (The Supreme One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              79. Al-Barr (The Doer of Good) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              80. At-Tawwab (The Guide to Repentance) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              81. Al-Muntaqim (The Avenger) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              82. Al-'Afuww (The Forgiver) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              83. Ar-Ra'uf (The Clement) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              84. Malik-al-Mulk (The Owner of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              85. Dhu-al-Jalal wa-al-Ikram Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                (Lord of Majesty & Bounty)
              86. Al-Muqsit (The Equitable One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              87. Al-Jami' (The Gatherer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              88. Al-Ghani (The Rich One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              89. Al-Mughni (The Enricher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              90. Al-Mani' (The Preventer of Harm) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              91. Ad-Darr (The Creator of The Harmful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              92. An-Nafi' (The Creator of Good) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              93. An-Nur (The Light) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              94. Al-Hadi (The Guide) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              95. Al-Badi (The Originator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              96. Al-Baqi (The Everlasting One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              97. Al-Warith (The Inheritor of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              98. Ar-Rashid (The Righteous Teacher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              99. As-Sabur (The Patient One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?

              Primary consequences....

              Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN
              In a protected Book <- if Allah says it is protected, who can unlock its true understanding?
              None can grasp it
              except those purified (from Shirk) <- the key to understand the true meaning of the Qur'an
              (5677-79)

              And it is not the word of a poet
              little do you believe
              Nor the word of a soothsayer
              little do you remember
              a revelation from the Lord of the worlds
              (6941-43)

              Peace Brother,

              Allah's Names by Just 99 Names ?. I think you are referring Hadith

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                Peace Brother,

                Allah's Names by Just 99 Names ?. I think you are referring Hadith

                Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                Yes brother, for easy understanding and this thread is not related to Asma Ul Husna. You can open a new thread to discuss in depth about the names/attributes of Allah.

                As for this thread, I'm referring to what is generally accepted by Muslim.

                It is translated as The Best Identifiers ( 208 )

                What is "Identifiers"?

                one that identifies

                Noun 1. identifier - a symbol that establishes the identity of the one bearing it
                symbol - an arbitrary sign (written or printed) that has acquired
                a conventional significance

                Therefore, must Allah names/attributes be specific?

                Not necessarily be specific names/attributes, and it is sufficient for us to understand Allah's attributes.

                Further, there is nothing wrong to refer to a hadith on "the standard of justly balanced" (or refer to other religious books, and so as other books that relates to science, mathematics, philosophy, economy etc.), unless to those who belong to sects or religious dogma, whatever their names are (label/illusion).

                Peace brother.

                p/s If you don't mind.. I would like to ask "Whether waiting/hoping for a Messenger or savior to come and save us is a Shirk?" What is your opinion on the matter?

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                  hadith = shirk hypno

                  It's obvious but many fail to see it! nope

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                    hadith = shirk hypno

                    It's obvious but many fail to see it! nope

                    Salam,

                    For religious people.. yes, but I am not religious people, sorry.

                    Just and balance has no religion and it is the Deen of Islam.

                    Further, there is nothing wrong to refer to a hadith on "the standard of justly balanced" (or refer to other religious books, and so as other books that relates to science, mathematics, philosophy, economy etc.), unless to those who belong to sects or religious dogma, whatever their names are (label/illusion).

                    Ibrahim was not a Jew <- Ibrahim has no religion. So as Muhammad, not a Jew/Christian (religion).
                    nor a Christian http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
                    but he was (an) upright (man) <- showing a great concern for what is right, fair and truthful way
                    a Muslim <- defined by the above ayat - an upright man - obedience and justly balanced.
                    and he was not one of the polytheists <- Concern with right/wrong in religious matters - 3030-32

                    Most surely the nearest of people to Ibrahim
                    are those
                    who followed him
                    and this Prophet
                    and those who believe
                    and Allah is the guardian of the believers
                    (367-6

                    I'm from Malaysia and practicing all faiths that are glorifying just and balance, whether it is from the hadith, other sects or any other religions. Islam rejects the idea of religion and the only way to reject all religions is to accept all religions. Peace!! )

                    peace brother.

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                      Primary consequences....

                      Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN
                      In a protected Book <- if Allah says it is protected, who can unlock its true understanding?
                      None can grasp it
                      except those purified (from Shirk) <- the key to understand the true meaning of the Qur'an
                      (5677-79)

                      Level of understanding the Qur'an - on the standard of justly balanced <- not on the label of a Muslim.
                      Shirk (%) |<-- 100--> 90 --> 80 --> 70 --> 60 --> 50 --> 40 --> 30 --> 20 --> 10 -->| 0%
                      Qur'an (%) |<-- 0 --> 10 --> 20 --> 30 --> 40 --> 50 --> 60 --> 70 --> 80 --> 90 -->| 100%
                      Obedience (%) |<-- 0 --> 10 --> 20 --> 30 --> 40 --> 50 --> 60 --> 70 --> 80 --> 90 -->| 100%
                      http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                      (334)
                      (4523)
                      (2543)

                      And set forth to them a parable of two men
                      for one of them We made two gardens of grape vines
                      and We surrounded them both with palms
                      and in the midst of them We made cornfields

                      Both these gardens yielded their fruits
                      and failed not aught thereof
                      and We caused a river to gush forth in their midst

                      And he possessed much wealth

                      so he said to his companion, while he disputed with him

                      I have greater wealth than you, and am mightier in followers <- Shirk? This is what most people
                      https//www.google.com/help/hc/images/sites_icon_arrow_up_small.gif would say. Greater wealth,
                      And he entered his garden https//www.google.com/help/hc/images/sites_icon_arrow_up_small.gif knowledge, skills, family etc.
                      while he was unjust to himself, He said <- On the issue of justly balanced within ourselves.
                      I do not think that this will ever perish <- This is also what most people would say.
                      And I do not think the hour will come i.e. not come within the next few hours, days, years etc.
                      and even if I am returned to my Lord <- Same, and most people believe they will be in Paradise.
                      I will most certainly find a returning place better than this Proof that he believe in Allah and the
                      Hour will come, but not in his lifetime.
                      His companion said to him while disputing with him

                      Do you disbelieve in Him <- Shirk?
                      Who created you from dust
                      then from a small seed
                      then He made you a perfect man?

                      But as for me
                      He, Allah, is my Lord
                      and I do not associate anyone with my Lord <- Who is "anyone" in this story context? Self?

                      And wherefore did you not say when you entered your garden
                      It is as Allah has pleased, there is no power save in Allah?
                      If you consider me to be inferior to you in wealth and children
                      Then maybe my Lord will give me what is better than your garden

                      and send on it a thunderbolt from heaven
                      so that it shall become even ground without plant
                      Or its waters should sink down into the ground
                      so that you are unable to find it
                      And his wealth was destroyed
                      so he began to wring his hands
                      for what he had spent on it
                      while it lay, having fallen down upon its roofs, and he said

                      Ah me! would that I had not associated anyone with my Lord
                      And he had no host to help him besides Allah
                      nor could he defend himself

                      Here is protection only Allah's
                      the True One
                      He is best in (the giving of) reward
                      and best in requiting

                      And set forth to them parable of the life of this world
                      like water which We send down from the cloud
                      so the herbage of the earth
                      becomes tangled on account of it
                      then it becomes dry broken into pieces which the winds scatter
                      and Allah is the holder of power over all things

                      Wealth and children are an adornment of the life of this world
                      and the ever-abiding
                      the good works
                      are better with your Lord in reward
                      and better in expectation

                      (1832-4

                      Allah
                      http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                      Reality
                      (Khalif)
                      (Witnessing and understanding 99 attributes of Allah in the Universe)
                      (Only then we will understand what is "Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameen&quot
                      ( &#1605
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                      Soul
                      http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                      Heart
                      (Language of the Heart)
                      (Understanding of the Qur'an)
                      (requirement = 100% obedience)
                      http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                      Mind
                      http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                      In between
                      (Top Buddhist Monk +/- ??)
                      http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                      Nafs
                      (We are here - nafs-i-ammara )
                      Scientist and Philosopher?
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                      Animal
                      (requirement = 0% obedience)
                      (<a href="http//quran.com/7/176">7176</a&gt

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                        Therefore our primary question in life is how far we are able to control the ideas within ourselves?

                        Shirk in the form of a very fine, the pleasure felt while dzikr, salat or ibada etc, and which motivates us to do more ibada, salat or dzikr etc. It is so because our ibada will not be because of Allah, but because of the excitement performing ibada etc, ie. self. However, this is not necessarily damaging since we will be divided into three groups (567-10). It is just something to be taken into consideration, by those who wish to find the ultimate truth.

                        And the soul and Him Who made it perfect
                        Then He inspired it
                        to understand
                        what is right
                        and wrong for it
                        He will indeed be successful who purifies it
                        And he will indeed fail who corrupts it
                        (917-10)

                        Smart and brilliant people can never know reality and Allah. Because they are too smart.

                        http//s12.postimg.org/kyqnw00yh/glass.png

                        And rely on Allah
                        and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
                        Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior.
                        (333-4)

                        Our glass will first need to be emptied and clean.
                        (100% obedience and free from shirk)

                        http//s14.postimg.org/tp4not4vl/glasses.png

                        Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth
                        a likeness of His light is as a niche in which is a lamp
                        the lamp is in a glass
                        (and) the glass is as it were a brightly shining star
                        lit from a blessed olive-tree
                        neither eastern nor western
                        the oil whereof almost gives light though fire touch it not
                        light upon light
                        Allah guides to His light whom He pleases
                        and Allah sets forth parables for men
                        and Allah is Cognizant of all things
                        (2435)

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                          The key to understand justly balanced is always in the opposite condition (understanding of right and wrong, good or evil etc.), and mostly and mostly attainable at the highest level of condition. For example

                          To understand Ar-Rahman (The All-Compassionate) ...
                          We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated harshly; (0).

                          To understand Ar-Rahim (The All-Merciful) ...
                          We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated cruelly; (0).

                          To understand Al-`Adl (The Just) ...
                          We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated unjustly; (0).

                          and so on..

                          It was a tough one but only through this process our heart (glass) can become empty and we will rely entirely on Allah (no other option). Otherwise, we are relying on ourselves (ego) or others, not Allah.

                          Say He has power to send torment on you <- how Allah guide us to what is just and balance?
                          from above
                          or from under your feet
                          or to cover you with confusion in party strife
                          and make you to taste
                          the violence of one another
                          See how variously We explain the Ayat
                          so that they may understand.
                          (665)

                          Example on the standard required to attain righteousness

                          By no means shall you attain to righteousness
                          until you spend (benevolently)
                          out of what you love
                          and whatever thing you spend
                          Allah surely knows it
                          (392)

                          And they ask you as to what they should spend (sadaqah)
                          Say What you can spare
                          Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications
                          that you may ponder
                          (2219)

                          The recommended method for obedience of the Qur'an is initially through mastering the ibada of fasting (days), sadaqah, reading the Qur'an or dzikr and while doing good to others.

                          This is the Book (the Quran)
                          whereof there is no doubt
                          a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun <- The first condition to understand the Qur'an.
                          (22) Other than Al-Muttaqun?

                          Therefore, first objective = becoming Al-Muttaqun

                          Fast "..decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you
                          that you may become righteous.." (2183)
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                          Sadaqah "..Take from their wealth a charity by which you purify them
                          and cause them increase.." (9103)

                          And in no way will you (even) be a guide to the blind out of their errancy
                          decidedly you will not make any to hear
                          except for the ones who believe in Our signs
                          and so they are Muslims (i.e., those that surrender to Allah)
                          (3053)

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                            hadith = shirk hypno

                            It's obvious but many fail to see it! nope

                            Excellent.
                            22 This is the Book. hence all other books other than Quran belongs to dustbin.
                            7750 Then in what statement (by Bukhari Hadith )after the Qur'an will they believe?

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                              Excellent.
                              22 This is the Book. hence all other books other than Quran belongs to dustbin.
                              7750 Then in what statement (by Bukhari Hadith )after the Qur'an will they believe?

                              Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                              I believe you are reading the ayat out of its context and its true meaning.

                              RED Can you please explain verse 7750?

                              This is the Day of Judgement
                              We will have assembled you and the former peoples
                              So if you have a plan, then plan against Me
                              Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                              Indeed, the righteous will be among shades and springs
                              And fruits from whatever they desire
                              , "Eat and drink in satisfaction for what you used to do"
                              Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good.
                              Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                              , eat and enjoy yourselves a little
                              indeed, you are criminals
                              Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                              And when it is said to them, "Bow," (ir'ka) they do not bow
                              Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                              Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe? <- relating to those who deny the
                              (7738-50) Day of Judgement? Doing good?

                              ir'ka
                              = Ra-Kaf-Ayn = bowed, bent, incline, humility, humble yourself, lower the head, fell upon his face, stumbled.

                              And I don't understand why are referring to 22.

                              This is the Book about which there is no doubt
                              a guidance for those conscious of Allah
                              (22)

                              Where did Allah say it is shirk to follow what is justly balance?

                              Where did Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                              The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

                              Do you covet
                              that they would believe for you
                              while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
                              and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
                              while they were knowing?
                              (275)

                              Peace brother.

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                                Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                                I believe you are reading the ayat out of its context and its true meaning.

                                RED Can you please explain verse 7750?

                                This is the Day of Judgement
                                We will have assembled you and the former peoples
                                So if you have a plan, then plan against Me
                                Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                Indeed, the righteous will be among shades and springs
                                And fruits from whatever they desire
                                , "Eat and drink in satisfaction for what you used to do"
                                Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good.
                                Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                , eat and enjoy yourselves a little
                                indeed, you are criminals
                                Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                And when it is said to them, "Bow," they do not bow
                                Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe? <- relating to those who deny
                                (7738-50) the Day of Judgement?

                                and I don't understand why are referring to 22?

                                Can you explain?

                                This is the Book about which there is no doubt
                                a guidance for those conscious of Allah
                                (22)

                                The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

                                Do you covet
                                that they would believe for you
                                while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
                                and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
                                while they were knowing?
                                (275)

                                Further, where did Allah say it is shirk to follow what is justly balance?

                                Where did Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                                Peace brother.

                                "Setting up partners" is not exclusive to the act of "creation". It's the setting up of partners of ANY kind including partners in source of guidance.

                                Hadith should be treated like any essay or article here on free-minds. Otherwise, you're risking setting up partners with God.

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                                  "Setting up partners" is not exclusive to the act of "creation". It's the setting up of partners of ANY kind including partners in source of guidance.

                                  Hadith should be treated like any essay or article here on free-minds. Otherwise, you're risking setting up partners with God.

                                  Salam nonplus,

                                  I know and I'm rejecting unjust hadith (refer here).

                                  However, Allah prohibits us to deny what justly balanced (for example, 7738-50 above).

                                  To reject what is justly balanced on sectarian basis, is no difference than to be a sectarian itself.

                                  It is a religion of Islam, and not a deen of Islam.

                                  Therefore, can you give me an ayat that Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced?

                                  Can you give me an ayat where Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                                  Peace brother.

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                                    What does the Qur'an teach?
                                    ...
                                    From the above, we can see that the Qur'an teaches us how to balance and achieve justice ..

                                    Some inconsistent ayats for the religious peoples.

                                    And who believe in what has been revealed to you
                                    and what was revealed before you
                                    and of the Hereafter they are certain
                                    (22)

                                    So is one who upon a clear evidence from his Lord?
                                    And a witness from Him follows it
                                    and before it was the Scripture of Moses to lead and as mercy
                                    Those
                                    believe in the Qur'an <- Condition to be regarded as a believer of the Qur'an
                                    (1718)

                                    Then woe to those
                                    who write the Book with their own hands <- much like the hadith itself
                                    and then say
                                    "This is from God"
                                    to traffic with it for a miserable price!
                                    Woe to them for what their hands do write
                                    and for the gain they make thereby
                                    (279

                                    Follow or not to follow?

                                    And before it was the scripture of Moses to lead
                                    and as a mercy
                                    And this is a confirming Book <- What is a confirming book? Its functions/implications?
                                    in an Arabic tongue
                                    to warn those who have wronged
                                    and as good tidings to the doers of good
                                    (4612)

                                    And We have revealed to you
                                    the Book in truth
                                    confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture
                                    and as a criterion over it <- How do these "Criterion Systems" works? Reject them all together?
                                    So judge between them by what Allah has revealed <- Allah says "judge", evaluate, not rejects.
                                    and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth
                                    To each of you We prescribed a law and a method <- Other rules are also from Allah? Good? Bad?
                                    Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation <- Allah refers to "nation"
                                    but to test you in what He has given you <- What is the test from Allah? Rejection?
                                    so race to good <- Allah considers there is good from another book or sect etc.?
                                    To Allah is your return all together
                                    and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ <- Who'll inform? You?
                                    (548) What is our mission?

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                                      Salam nonplus,

                                      I know and I'm rejecting unjust hadith (refer here).

                                      However, Allah prohibits us to deny what justly balanced (for example, 7738-50 above).

                                      To reject what is justly balanced on sectarian basis, is no difference than to be a sectarian itself.

                                      It is a religion of Islam, and not a deen of Islam.

                                      Therefore, can you give me an ayat that Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced?

                                      Can you give me an ayat where Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                                      Peace brother.

                                      hadith != "signs not in the Qur'an"

                                      Furthermore, you seem to attach context to many things and somehow make it not apply to you.

                                      When God asks, rhetorically, "which hadith do you believe in?" It applies to any and everyone, not just the "non believers of judgement day". How quickly you limited the scope of that!

                                      Anyway, I get that I'm new here and this seems to be your thread so I'll refrain from commenting further.

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                                        hadith != "signs not in the Qur'an"

                                        Furthermore, you seem to attach context to many things and somehow make it not apply to you.

                                        When God asks, rhetorically, "which hadith do you believe in?" It applies to any and everyone, not just the "non believers of judgement day". How quickly you limited the scope of that!

                                        Anyway, I get that I'm new here and this seems to be your thread so I'll refrain from commenting further.

                                        Salam nonplus,

                                        Therefore, can you give me an ayat that Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced?
                                        Can you give me an ayat where Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                                        Why can't you answer my simple questions and relying on the fallacy of generalization to make your points?
                                        Do you have ayats to support your conclusion?
                                        Do you really believe in the Qur'an or it is just your assumption?

                                        Furthermore, you seem to attach context to many things and somehow make it not apply to you.

                                        The difference is between the context what is justly balanced and what is not. You are referring to something that might have the element of justly balanced as unjust. You generalized the issue, as what religious people do, a sectarian. Therefore, you need to give me an authority for your conclusion, an ayat from the Qur'an.

                                        hadith != "signs not in the Qur'an"

                                        Have you ever read all the hadith, what is its story?

                                        Is it all unjust and not related to the signs in the Qur'an? (refer here)

                                        Prove it! That everything in a hadith is unjust, and your ibada (salat, fast, zakah, sadaqah, marriage, hajj and even the Qur'an translation etc) is free from any reference to the hadith.

                                        It sounds silly and ridiculous, right?

                                        When God asks, rhetorically, "which hadith do you believe in?" It applies to any and everyone, not just the "non believers of judgement day". How quickly you limited the scope of that!

                                        I already give you my reason and show how one can distort Allah's words to fit their religious purpose.

                                        Do you have ayats to counter my conclusion?

                                        The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

                                        Do you covet
                                        that they would believe for you
                                        while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
                                        and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
                                        while they were knowing?
                                        (275)

                                        Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge
                                        and whose interpretation has not yet come to them
                                        Thus did those before them deny
                                        Then observe how was the end of the wrongdoers
                                        (1039)

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                                          I believe Islam isn't a religion, but a submission to God. Thus, many people may be muslims without ''knowing it''. )

                                          Peace

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