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What is Islam?

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    good_logic
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    Peace all.

    This reminds me of...

    He says " Black", I say"wrong, it is shaded!"
    He says White",I say "Wrong, it is pure white".....etc...

    Muslims, you have your unique understanding..Dr Fazl, you have your unique understanding... each one of us has heir unique understanding...etc...

    The oneness of God unites the individual peaceful submitters.
    Islam is peace with the creator, peace with all God s creation and peace with yourself...

    Peace to you all

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      muslims
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      Muslims, you have your unique understanding..Dr Fazl, you have your unique understanding... each one of us has heir unique understanding...etc...

      Salam

      Sorry, I'm not talking about our "unique" understanding..

      I'm talking about what is the question.

      The question is....

      (i) Do you find resemblance of Allah's System of Governance within the Human Being? If yes, how?

      His answer...

      Yes. The entire universe is praising Allah's Glory and waiting for His Command to discharge its duties to man in his favour or against. 5331 And to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth - that He may recompense those who do evil with the penalty of what they have done and recompense those who do good with the best reward.

      What is the relation between the issue of "resemblance of System of Governance", the issue of "WITHIN" "human beings", and the issue of "Allah's system", with the answer"The entire universe is praising Allah's Glory and waiting for His Command"? hmm

      Please take not the words "System of Governance" (govern!), "within" human beings, and "resemblance"

      Allah's System of Governance
      Within human being's System of Governance <- what is human beings system of governance?

      I believe this is not about our unique understanding, but about the ability to understand the questions or issues. There is nothing "unique" for making a conclusion without understanding the question. This is equally supports by the Qur'an.

      ?Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results.? (refer to al-Anfal22)

      I can be wrong, as always, please explains. handshake

      Peace to you all peace

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        Israfeel
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        Islam is the Sunnah, and the Sunnah is Islam - Imam al Barbaharee (may Allah be pleased with him)

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          drfazl
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          Salam

          I'm talking about what is the question.

          The question is....

          Do you find resemblance of Allah's System of Governance within the Human Being? If yes, how?

          What is the relation between the issue of "resemblance of System of Governance", the issue of "WITHIN" "human beings", and the issue of "Allah's system", with the answer"The entire universe is praising Allah's Glory and waiting for His Command"?

          First of all there is no issue here for you to judge and settle as if you know threadbare a-z of Allah's System of governance and human beings' system of governance.

          Before you understand the question,
          first understand the meaning of the word "Resemblance"
          Your irrelevant word, "Relation" is not the question here!

          Thus as usaual your whole answer has gone haywire.

          peace

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            drfazl
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            Salam

            Allah's System of Governance
            Within human being's System of Governance <- what is human beings system of governance?

            I can be wrong, as always, please explains. handshake

            Peace to you all

            I am coming to your red area Please say how in an individual, from his hair tip to toe nail; and from his skin to bones, the human system is related, inter related, their cohesiveness, their symbiosis, their incompatibility, their inconsistencies, their aberration, their physiology, their pathology, their adjustments, their reactions, their sensitivity, his homeostasis within and many more ...

            Please, first talk about human system, then its governance leave alone universal system and governance. You can never reach for an answer unless you have unique understanding ability. In your case it is far away. Keep groping the dictionaries and you will find yourself still far away remote.

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              diamantinehoneybunch
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              Islam is the Sunnah, and the Sunnah is Islam - Imam al Barbaharee (may Allah be pleased with him)

              The sunnah (which I am pretty sure you meant the hadiths written by Mr Bukhari & Co) is not islam. The sunna is sexism, intolerance, violence. Pakhtunkhwa region in Pakistan-Afghanistan is good example to see how people in the region practise the so-called sunnah.


              Peace be upon you, brethren!

              Islam is all about submission to GOD, doing good and avoid vice.

              Regards,
              Yuliana

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                muslims
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                You can never reach for an answer unless you have unique understanding ability. In your case it is far away.

                Salam

                I must admit, I don't have this "unique understanding ability".

                (i) Do you find resemblance of Allah's System of Governance within the Human Being? If yes, how?

                Yes. The entire universe is praising Allah's Glory and waiting for His Command to discharge its duties to man in his favour or against.

                Peace peace

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                  ansmeh1998
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                  I wonder why Abraham asked how Allah give life "TO THE DEAD" (l-mawt&#257 ?

                  Dear brother Muslims Salaam!

                  I guess if you have studied Chemistry and have heard about "CARBON". Kindly have a mull in the skull, maybe you will get to know (InshaAllah) as to how the answer provided by Allah to the ambitious query of Ibrahim as mentioned in the verse 2260 has a deep and sustained meaning for the benefit of ............

                  But before that if you could have a thought over the verse 51 of Arabic version of The Book, InshaAllah that would lead you to know the keys to numerous locks and to establish a Sigma Bond with The Book. Allow me to throw an understanding of the verse (51) to you with the request to improve it further, as per your own acumen

                  "O people, who have taken oath to remain faithful, adhere to the principles of bonding! Permissible for you are the substances with attuned alignment except that are arranged out of unauthorized poaching and that which are not at all compatible. Indeed Allah decrees what is deemed fit."

                  (Carrier/Donor ? Receiver)

                  Salaam!

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                    muslims
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                    Islam is the Sunnah, and the Sunnah is Islam - Imam al Barbaharee (may Allah be pleased with him)

                    Salam

                    Why? hmm

                    (REFER HERE)

                    Peace

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                      muslims
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                      Dear brother Muslims Salaam!

                      I guess if you have studied Chemistry and have heard about "CARBON". Kindly have a mull in the skull, maybe you will get to know (InshaAllah) as to how the answer provided by Allah to the ambitious query of Ibrahim as mentioned in the verse 2260 has a deep and sustained meaning for the benefit of ............

                      But before that if you could have a thought over the verse 51 of Arabic version of The Book, InshaAllah that would lead you to know the keys to numerous locks and to establish a Sigma Bond with The Book. Allow me to throw an understanding of the verse (51) to you with the request to improve it further, as per your own acumen

                      "O people, who have taken oath to remain faithful, adhere to the principles of bonding! Permissible for you are the substances with attuned alignment except that are arranged out of unauthorized poaching and that which are not at all compatible. Indeed Allah decrees what is deemed fit."

                      (Carrier/Donor ? Receiver)

                      Salaam!

                      Dear brother ansmeh1998 Salaam!

                      Do explain your point.. I have no idea on your conclusion and may it bring new perspective to the discussion. My understanding is quite simple, it is all "matter" and is equal to all living things (ie. 1), whether it is big, small, an atom, smaller than an atom or even space. It is existence. Equally, bonding, meanings and even wishing for something or the slightest feeling is not "0". "0" means "0", death, and death is the reality.

                      Say, "He is Allah, One
                      1121

                      Peace.

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                        Zulf
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                        Islam is the Sunnah, and the Sunnah is Islam - Imam al Barbaharee (may Allah be pleased with him)

                        I know. True.

                        But that's not what is being discussed in the thread. What is discussed is 'islam' as described in the quran. We are not discussing the world religion Islam, which happens to have hijacked that arabic word and made it into a name for itself.

                        Barbaharee's Islam, and that which is described as 'islam' in arabic in the Quran, are two in essence entirely different things.

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                          ansmeh1998
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                          Dear brother Muslims Salaam!

                          Kindly have a thought over -

                          (i) 396 (mina al-anAAami thamaniyata azwajin) ( )

                          ..........................1 (e.g. Na)
                          ..........................2 (e.g. Mg)
                          ..........................3 (e.g. Al)
                          ..........................4 (e.g. C)
                          ..........................5 (e.g. N)
                          ..........................6 (e.g. O)
                          ..........................7 (e.g. Cl)
                          ..........................8 (e.g. Ar)

                          (ii) 6142 (Wamina al-anAAami hamoolatan wafarshan) ( &#1575 -

                          Carrier/ Doner - Receiver.

                          1(+) (e.g. Na)
                          2(+)
                          3(+)
                          4(+)
                          1(-) (e.g. Cl)
                          2(-)
                          3(-)
                          4(-)


                          Total - 8

                          (iii) 6143-4 (Thamaniyata azwajin ( )

                          .------. (..)
                          ..------.. (....)
                          ...------... (......)
                          ....------.... (........)

                          (iv) 43

                          e.g. (i) Na-Cl (.----.) (ii) Mg-Cl2 (..----..) (iii) Al-Cl3 (...----...) (iv) C-Cl4 (....----....)

                          (v) 415

                          e.g. C-H4, NH4 ....

                          (vi) 2260

                          e.g. C-C-C-C-C

                          ...................
                          ...................

                          Salaam!

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                            muslims
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                            Peace all

                            Part of this is interesting.

                            Aadam was also the one that ALLAAH created to be His representative (al-khaliyfaH) on the Earth - the possessor of the command (al-'amr). This was the Trust (al-'amaanaH) from ALLAAH to Aadam that he must pass on to the specific line of his descendants -the possessors of the command ('uwlu-l-'amr) - generation after generation without intermission until the end at the arrival of the son of man (ibn Aadam) and his universal sacrifice.

                            Aadam also had a vicious enemy ('ibliys and his descendants) who was bent on destroying him and his entire line of descendants.

                            and of course, there can never be 100% truth since we are human beings and there are so many things we are unable to understand. The Qur'an is the whole or 100% truth, but the problem is not with the Qur'an, but with us; ie. it is we who cannot fully understand the Qur'an. There is always much or less than 10% (maximum) in what we may or able to think of. We need other elements to expand the brain function. Therefore, the chances that it is also might mean the maximum is below than 10% truth from human beings. Even if someone knows more than 10% truth, none is able to discuss beyond the 10% truth because he will be killed by many for simply a misunderstanding or conflict of ideas and values; Allah guides to His light whom He pleases (2435). That is the design and we are indeed living among animals. Our mind and what we know is not the solution, but what we don't know is the solution, "0";' ie. obedience, "We hear, we obey".

                            Smart and brilliant people can never know reality and Allah. Because they are too smart.

                            O people, an example is presented, so listen to it
                            Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah

                            will never create a fly
                            even if they gathered together for that purpose
                            And if the fly should steal away from them a thing
                            they could not recover it from him

                            Weak are the pursuer and pursued
                            (2273)

                            • A fly can have about 28,000 small eyes, and ?that?s the direction we want to move in,? team researcher Jianliang Xiao from the University of Colorado told the BBC.

                            http//s23.postimg.org/rocekp5pn/fly.jpg

                            Salam

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                              ansmeh1998
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                              Salaam!

                              Noah's Ark = the Periodic Table (1136-40 refers).

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                                ansmeh1998
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                                (Al-Quran - 41)

                                He (Fission) --> H+H --> H2

                                (Al-Quran ? 20116-121)
                                H2 (Self sustained, Gaseous State i.e. unseen) +O (Ultimate fruit of a Tree) --> H2O (Liquid State i.e. seen)

                                (Al-Quran ? 2130)
                                From Water --> every active thing

                                Salaam!

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                                  muslims
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                                  Salam

                                  I wonder whether Noah is from the Middle East and that small ark can accommodate pairs of all living creatures (millions?, hundred millions?) and their food etc. Sounds funny because the geographical facts and our logical minds is not corroborated with the facts from the Qur'an. Maybe it is true there are lots of timber or Noah walked for months to find trees for building really huge ark that can accommodate hundred millions pairs of all living creatures and space for their foods, waste disposal etc (we are speaking about wild animals! what size needed to accommodate them safely and so that they don't attack other animals?). The ark then drifted for months in the biggest storm that ever happen in human history, and for months for the floodwaters to recede, and yet, it is just circling in the desert areas (10 hours of driving overland?), where it all started. And then suddenly, there are human beings in all over the world that does not look like the Arabs, but they all are descendants of Adam and Eve. It is all in and from the Middle East! laugh

                                  Timbers? Trees?

                                  http//www.emapstore.com/books2/dmaa7535/dmaa7535_1.gif

                                  The ark?

                                  http//www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/articles/2011/01/ark-dimensions.jpg

                                  http//www.noahsarksearch.com/arkabovemud3.jpg

                                  Peace.

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                                    ansmeh1998
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                                    Compounds formed out of Ionic Bond ? Mominoon
                                    Compounds formed out of Covalent Bond ? Yahood (582 refers)
                                    Compounds formed out of Coordinate Covalent Bond ? Nasara (582 refers)
                                    The elements form no bonding ? Metals (Malleable) ? Sabeans (Agnostics) (582 refers)

                                    Salaam!

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                                      ansmeh1998
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                                      I see Noah = Manu.

                                      Have a reading of Manu Smirti at http//sanskritdocuments.org/all_pdf/manusmriti.pdf. Do you find Quran confirms the laws of Manu?

                                      Salaam!

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                                        muslims
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                                        I see Noah = Manu.
                                        ... Do you find Quran confirms the laws of Manu?

                                        Salam

                                        Why do you think Noah is Manu?

                                        Do you know who is Sayyidina Abu Bakar?

                                        Peace brother.

                                        p/s The Qur'an do confirm other religious Books (refer here and here). Many are rooted from the same sources or etc....

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                                          ansmeh1998
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                                          Why do you think Noah is Manu?

                                          Do you know who is Sayyidina Abu Bakar?

                                          Salaam,

                                          (i) I did not say, "I think Noah is Manu". I said, "I see Noah = Manu".

                                          The concept of much talked 'Ark' coupled with the principles of bonding may be taken into consideration to abridge the artificial gap.

                                          (ii) To me, the four dedicated chambers of the Heart are construed as the four trusted Caliph of Prophet Muhammad(The Heart)

                                          Right Atrium = Abu Bakar Siddique
                                          Left Atrium = Umar
                                          Right Ventricle = Uthman
                                          Left Ventricle = Ali

                                          handshake

                                          Salaam!

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