What is Islam?
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So there is no more verses from the Quran. . . it is simply your opinion.
Well....
First who said if I want to start a war against the Chinese?? Don't be missunderstood >(
I only said "if sometime because economic crisis, lack of natural resources and UN's laws has no function again maybe the war between Chinese and ASEAN will occured"
This already been predicted by some theories.Do you understand sir....... ;D (or I must repeat n repeat again to make you understand).
Yes I do understand, it is war... and who is this ASEAN country ?
Obviously it is not Malaysia, since we are a small country. . .
In fact, we are more into building our economies, improve our life and make friends rather than starting a war. laugh. . .
I assume you're a chinese.
So when I speak for the Chinese, I'm becoming the Chinese people ?
Why it always has to come with "labels" ?Okay, I forgot... you have already admitted that you are a bigot. laugh
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I don't hate them nor felt jealous toward them.
You don't know the issues, because simple you're passive witnesses of this civillization.
Since you already live in luxirious then you just feel passionate because of it (mental budak handshake).I told you, I work with many chinese and know well their attitude and cultures.
The Chinese Malaysian population makes up to 40%, the Indian 8% and Malay 52%.
The Chinese Indonesian population makes up a little less than 1% of the total Indonesian population of 255 million peoples.Therefore, how come you know more about the Chinese people?
Because they control 97% of your economy ? Currency rate ? Who is the "mental budak" ? laugh. . .
Chinese deserve to get it?? Maybe and perhaps.Malay is also hard worker but now how can the most opportunities is under chinese hands??Is it coincidences ??
Do you ever imagine this In the past Malay archipelago rulled by some powerful local kingdoms with great economy, even the chinese sailors admire this.At time Chinese even has no influence at all
But why now this place runned by some pitiful countries like Indonesia,Malaysia,Thailand, Phillipines whose most of their economic runned by chinese??Very contradict with the past time!!Is it coincidence?? or maybe a setting from the start??
One of my answer is simple because in the past the chinese became the right hand man of the colonialist (British-Dutch), while malay people became slave and brainwashed to be slave )
Explain something like this is enough just in this forum, but if you feel you're a starter for this issue, then watch this
You must be kidding to present the theory from one lecturer who are presenting her research as facts about Malaysia. . .
Look at the Malay in Malaysia... do you think we are starving and cannot control our economy ?
I think there is too much speculation and distortion of facts from your part ... which I don't bother or be interested to reply . . . laughFurther.. do I need to worry about all this when I have the Quran and Allah is in control of everything ?
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Peace
Yes I do understand, it is war... and who is this ASEAN country ?
I said sometimes and I hope not in this era.
Political atsmosphere changed time to time and I cannot guarantee if Malaysia and Indonesia is still existed in next era
Perhaps both of countries will change to another forms (alliance if necessary).In fact, we are more into building our economies, improve our life and make friends rather than starting a war. laugh
By said we (Malaysian) you're also a bigot )
Even I lived in Indonesia, I don't loyal with the regime and I'm avoid to participate the election multiple times.
DO you think the other Malaysian think the same like you?? NO
I know some Malaysian who have same idea like me and some Malaysian conservatives dreaming a Chaliphate stateTherefore, how come you know more about the Chinese people?
Because I work with them and the some of my neighboor also chinese.
You must be kidding to present the theory from one lecturer who are presenting her research as facts about Malaysia. . .
Look at the Malay in Malaysia... do you think we are starving and cannot control our economy ?
I think there is too much speculation and distortion of facts from your part ... which I don't bother or be interested to reply . . . laughFurther.. do I need to worry about all this when I have the Quran and Allah is in control of everything ?
I don't care about any Malay countries, whatever they Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei.
This kind of countries runned by weak politicians (ex signing free-trade).Yes Allah is in control everything, but it doesn't means we just sit down and do nothing
1311 For each one are successive before and behind him who protect him by the decree of Allah. Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves. And when Allah intends for a people ill, there is no repelling it. And there is not for them besides Him any patron
Plus the word "jihad/struggle appeared many verses in the Quran.
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I said sometimes and I hope not in this era.
Political atsmosphere changed time to time and I cannot guarantee if Malaysia and Indonesia is still existed in next era
Perhaps both of countries will change to another forms (alliance if necessary).You are the majority and they are the minority. . . extremely far in numbers
Therefore why are you feeling so threatened by less than 1% chinese population in Indonesia?
They don't deserve to live at all ?How about this cruelty ? Who are the oppressor ? 500,000 innocent peoples were killed ?
http//freewestpapua.wordpress.com/
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAQ6kDkirBg
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kwFo7-3Wk0
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHZ_fXTva9I
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaGou3vB3A0
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ-XkN5GwRE
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r1r3whfPhM
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=phrLc5dZGAwCome one ... be reasonable and improve your life and country rather than thinking about wars etc, this is getting silly.
By said we (Malaysian) you're also a bigot
You are the one who bring the issue of war and "ASEAN COUNTRY" etc
and when I speak about country, according to your topic ... suddenly I became a bigot?
Your pattern of thinking is becoming very weird rotflBecause I work with them and the some of my neighboor also chinese.
Well, I live with chinese the rest of my life, even used to be housemate etc. . . and we live like brothers and sisters...
and now . . . all my neighbours are chinese... hundreds
thus, what makes you know them better?
what makes you think that you are qualified to judge them as an oppressor and unjust ?Yes Allah is in control everything, but it doesn't means we just sit down and do nothing
1311 For each one are successive before and behind him who protect him by the decree of Allah. Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves. And when Allah intends for a people ill, there is no repelling it. And there is not for them besides Him any patron
Plus the word "jihad/struggle appeared many verses in the Quran.
So as muslim, we're not just sit down passively waiting the miracle came down.Yes we should do something, like reading the Quran, obeying and following closely Allah's commands and prohibitions . . .
The rest we leave it to Allah. . . -
You are the majority and they are the minority. . . extremely far in numbers
Therefore why are you feeling so threatened by less than 1% chinese population in Indonesia?
They don't deserve to live at all ?You're confused.
Who said if they don't deserved to live?? I said multiple times if I have many chinese friends.
What I aware is the chinese who play scapegoats.
Chinese is 1%, yes because you only count Totok Chinese (young imigrant), but you didn't count Peranakan Chinese (earlier immigrants) who consist 6.000.000 people and Benteng Chinese (mix Betawi heritage).Come one ... be reasonable and improve your life and country rather than thinking about wars etc, this is getting silly.
Then how about it http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUku_a5pW5E
Just type "Sabah Sarawak Keluar Malaysia" in youtube and you will find may videos talking about North Borneoan separatist.Posting that videos only prove if you actually still don't understand the context.
That videos, has no effect to me.Please try to differ what is state, what is civillian.
I'm a civillian who don't care about my state (government).
Incident in that video, that was Suharto did.In the Quran said, whoever to do oppression even they're family, fellows are our enemy (2191)
You are the one who bring the issue of war and "ASEAN COUNTRY" etc
and when I speak about country, according to your topic ... suddenly I became a bigot?
Your pattern of thinking is becoming very weird rotflPerhaps I must change word ASEAN to SEA, so you will connect.
Please stop divert issues, this is not about Indonesia Malaysia, but our duty as muslims for keeping the balance and how to protect our faith/religion.Well, I live with chinese the rest of my life, even used to be housemate etc. . . and we live like brothers and sisters...
and now . . . all my neighbours are chinese... hundreds
thus, what makes you know them better?
what makes you think that you are qualified to judge them as an oppressor and unjust ?Re-read my previous post again!!!
Perhaps I will waste my time since I always repeat the same statements.First I said "I have chinese friends", so how can it be I call my own friends as oppressor rotfl
Not all chinese is like I described, some of chinese are good, tolerate and even a humble muslims.Are you rich?? Yes perhaps some chinese is still dare to befriend with you because you're rich.
Perhaps if you're poor and useless, maybe they will ignore you rotflI told you befriend the chinese is OK, learn from them, is OK, but still don't be divert our path from God.
Don't allowed the oppressor whatever they're, oppress the muslims. -
Chinese is 1%, yes because you only count Totok Chinese (young imigrant), but you didn't count Peranakan Chinese (earlier immigrants) who consist 6.000.000 people and Benteng Chinese (mix Betawi heritage).
Yes, they are the minority.. extremely far in numbers. So because of this 1% there should be war ? laugh
Then how about it http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUku_a5pW5E
Just type "Sabah Sarawak Keluar Malaysia" in youtube and you will find may videos talking about North Borneoan separatist.You must be kidding to compare that with killing of 500,000 native peoples of the West Papua. . . rotfl'
Refer here
http//freewestpapua.org/info/Incident in that video, that was Suharto did.
2010, 2012 etc and Suharto ? and still continues by the Indonesian government ?
Indonesian police murder young man for refusing to shave his hair and beard
date of incident 23/09/201395 Papuans starve to death
date of incident 09/2013Study finds at least one incident of torture every six weeks
date of incident 09/2013Indonesian military shoot dead 11 year old West Papuan girl
date of incident 07/2013West Papuan civil servant beaten to death by Indonesian police
date of incident 09/2013no video please! laugh
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3vBaOCN8aIand many more...
http//freewestpapua.org/news/West Papua is currently off limits to international journalists. If discovered without permission they are arrested and deported by the Indonesian authorities. Some have even been attacked and imprisoned.
It is clear that Indonesian authorities will stop at nothing to keep the ongoing genocide they are directing in West Papua out of the international media agenda. West Papua has also become impossible to operate in for many NGOs. In 2010 the International Red Cross were expelled, and in 2012 Peace Brigades International were forced to leave. International human rights organisations such as Amnesty and Human Rights Watch are also denied access to West Papua; http//freewestpapua.org/info/human-rights/
Posting that videos only prove if you actually still don't understand the context.
That videos, has no effect to me.Please try to differ what is state, what is civillian.
I'm a civillian who don't care about my state (government).Yes, people don't understand how all that can be justifiable.
and that's what happening for all these years . . .
You don't care and just keep silent about the government.
The black monkey and their traditional weapons are wrong and threatening the country, they should be killed like animals.
So as those in timor leste and acheh etc. . . and also the 1% chinese population.
and you are busy speaking about other country, while your country is in an absolute mess . . .and this is Islam ?
according to you this is balance and justice? laughgoodness without wisdom always accomplishes evil . . .
Are you rich?? Yes perhaps some chinese is still dare to befriend with you because you're rich.
Perhaps if you're poor and useless, maybe they will ignore you rotflWhat's so strange about that ?
It is not only the Chinese, but there are people like that everywhere on this earth..
the Arab, European, American etc.... even the javanese people!Therefore why you are saying only about the Chinese?
and you think that people becoming rich for no reason?
you think they did nothing and suddenly become rich ?
you think china government did nothing and suddenly control the world economy? and they don't deserve this? laughI told you befriend the chinese is OK, learn from them, is OK, but still don't be divert our path from God.
Don't allowed the oppressor whatever they're, oppress the muslims.What is the path of God? "Religion" of Islam ? laugh
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Don't allowed the oppressor whatever they're, oppress the muslims.
How do you explain this?
The police, military and the government are all Muslims. . . including the citizen.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslNnhVCksw#t=360
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslNnhVCksw#t=250
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Salaam muslims my brother ;D
Siip laa, actually you feel to my trap
It's to prove you're actually also a bigot.If you want to know all of this are actually my settings from the start.
Actually I don't hate chinese at all, and there are also chinese within my family.
One of my uncle and his children are chinese in blood.Plus actually you can easily exposed my trap if you ever read my statement if I work with chinese.
Logically if I work with the Chinese, joint venture with them then why I suddenly raise this chinse sentiment rotflI already aware from the start if you actually still not conceptual to explain your view.
Somewhat you change your views time to time and not consequentWhy I said you bigot?
If I'm not wrong,in the past you ever said "I don't belong to any states".
But now your true nature exposed, you start to said "my country (Malaysia) and your country (Indonesia)"
As muslim I'm very sad to hear it ;D, in the fact muslims actually must united into single ummah, helping each other and not bounded by nationality or races.http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606347.0
It's enough to prove you're still not consequent for not being bigot ;D
Plus from where I get that idea??
I got it from topix.com, in where Indonesian netizens mocking Malaysia for how this country treat the Chinese as second class and raise the issue about Sarawak-Sabah independence.
Then the Malaysian replied by raising West Papuan issue.Now simply I just repeat what they did to you and in it's successful.You lost your charismatic.
You don't know who I'm, perhaps you missundestood me for being extrimist.
I ever work in a HRD department in the past and I know some of formulas for doing thatSorry for trolling you from the start
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Why I said you bigot?
If I'm not wrong,in the past you ever said "I don't belong to any states".
But now your true nature exposed, you start to said "my country (Malaysia) and your country (Indonesia)"
As muslim I'm very sad to hear it ;D, in the fact muslims actually must united into single ummah, helping each other and not bounded by nationality or races.No I'm not . . I'm responding to your context of discussion, ie. war between Chinese and "ASEAN COUNTRY" and . .
I have already explained this.You are the one who bring the issue of war and "ASEAN COUNTRY" etc
and when I speak about country, according to your topic ... suddenly I became a bigot?
Your pattern of thinking is becoming very weird rotflYes I do understand, it is war... and who is this ASEAN country ?
Obviously it is not Malaysia, since we are a small country. . .
In fact, we are more into building our economies, improve our life and make friends rather than starting a war. laugh. . .
As muslim I'm very sad to hear it ;D, in the fact muslims actually must united into single ummah, helping each other and not bounded by nationality or races.
I am now the papuan people . . . laugh
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What makes you think I will unite with the oppressor and who support the killing of 500,000 innocent people and treat them like animals ?
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslNnhVCksw#t=480
That videos, has no effect to me.
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So for trolling you from the star
Suddenly I become a troll for speaking about justice ? rotfl
Here is the start, looks who is trolling . . .
hehehe CHINA NAK TIPU URANG MUSLIM!!! rotfl
As muslim we must tried to uphold the white whatever the black is existed.
If necessary the white must have more percentage than black.now compare it with your other statement . . .
Posting that videos only prove if you actually still don't understand the context.
That videos, has no effect to me.Please try to differ what is state, what is civillian.
I'm a civillian who don't care about my state (government).See how your statement always full of inconsistencies ? laugh
the truth . . . what you are saying has nothing to do with Islam at all . . . but about Bigotism and Sectarianism
I'm bigot?? Yes, I will became bigot to someone who tried to annilihate my faith
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I already said if it's are my settings from the start.
no compare with the following statement . . .
The phrase "China nak tipu" is also my trap.
See how your statement always full of inconsistencies ? laugh
I'm a civillian not goverment,
So if government said A, then the civillizian also said A??
State and civillian is different, by brother...Btw I aslo have Malaysian Mykad, I get it from Sarawak.
Yeah in Sarawak-Kalimantan border, some people in there have dual-citizenshipExample if Osama said "I will destroy America", according to UN constitution what Osama attack to is US state (government) not it's civillian.
If I said "China is destroyed" this means it's state (government and constitutions) not Chinese in ethnicity/civillian.
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I'm a civillian not goverment,
That's not the issue. . the issue is you support and keep silent about the oppression and brutality.
Posting that videos only prove if you actually still don't understand the context.
That videos, has no effect to me.Please try to differ what is state, what is civillian.
I'm a civillian who don't care about my state (government).What the Indonesian government did has nothing to do with Islam. . .it is in fact equal to the Taliban etc.
and you are okay with all that? . . . This is madness.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslNnhVCksw#t=360
and then you question and saying bad things about the Chinese, the less than 1% population in Indonesia, and out of 255 million peoples
What's wrong with you? It is supposed to be javanese people country only ? laugh
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That's not the issue. . the issue is you support and keep silent about the oppression and brutality.
This is madness.
Because I have no power to stop it.
This is not the government who officially did it, perhaps some delinquent military members.
Btw this cases is not as simple as you see in the video, it's very complex and full of conspiration.http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQRcGCc-ZL8
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmKc_kDZNEYIn that video you will know if Nicholas Messet (ex OPM's foreign minister) and Nicholas Jouwe (the desainer of West Papuan flag) already deserted OPM (Free Papua Movement) and want to remain royal with Indonesian govt.
If you want to know, Indonesian Papua split into two provices.One is Irian Jaya and one is West Papua.
Free Papua Movement want to West Papuan independence not Irian Jaya.
Papua itself is not the name of ethnic but name of place, there are many ethnics like Dani, Asmat, Papuan Muslim (raja Ampat) and etc.
Sometimes tribal conflict happened in there,You also said if the entire soldiers and police in operations is muslism.How you know??
Some of soldier and police in there came from Batak, Mollucan ethnic and local Papuan and they're ChristianBtw who cares of this issue, all what I do is just to prove if you're inconsistent with your own theory
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Btw who cares of this issue, all what I do is just to prove if you're inconsistent with your own theory
http//freewestpapua.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/shocking-images-of-indonesian-military-sweeping-operations-against-west-papuan-civilians/
more images
That clearly prove your belief. . .
In West Papua people get 15 years in prison for peacefully raising their flag, villages are burnt down regularly by the Indonesian army in the highland region, & women and children are routinely raped by the notoriously brutal Indonesian army. There is no equality, only racism, injustice and eternal suffering.
Since Indonesia colonised West Papua, it is estimated that between 500,000 and 1 million people have been killed by the brutal Indonesian military. Countless others have been raped, tortured, imprisoned or ?disappeared? for speaking out against Indonesian rule.
Indonesia bans journalists and human rights observers from entering West Papua. They are desperate to hide the facts of the killings and crimes against humanity that they are committing there. Similarly to in East Timor where the Indonesian military committed the worst reported cases of human rights abuses in the modern era, they are now doing the same again in West Papua.; Free West Papua
Acheh. . .
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLLbH9fLu3YAs we can see, your contentions are full of inconsistencies and distortion of facts.
In fact, I believe you are religious people and a sectarian. . .
and what you are saying has nothing to do with Islam.I rest my case.
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Salaam
Your argumentative skill is very weak.You still relate two entities who has less correlation.
Example If I'm American then can you judge me for supporting Bush to do war crimes in Iraq just by looking my nationality?
So where is my relations in west papuan issue?
The muslims soldier who torture unarmed people cannot be called as moo'men but moonafeq.
That soldiers of course are enemy of Islam too.As we can see, your contentions are full of inconsistencies and distortion of facts.
In fact, I believe you are religious people and a sectarian. . .
and what you are saying has nothing to do with Islam.Mohammed (saw) is also sectarian, if not he won't attacking pagan or jewish tribes to make them embrance Islam.
And also the Caliphate will not destroy Byzantine just because they're Christian.Islam is identity and must be united in single ummah whatever the sects.
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Your argumentative skill is very weak.
From what perspective?
Your wishful thinking and distorted facts ?
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So where is my relations in west papuan issue?
Contradicting your statement . . .
As muslim we must tried to uphold the white whatever the black is existed.
If necessary the white must have more percentage than black.
If we keep silent and weak, slowly the black will coloured the white withouth you noticed.
If we keep pouring the oil in a glass of water, then the water will spill out by times
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg349223#msg349223and you should not keep silent, and say I'm a civillian. . . so I don't care what happen to them, or
Posting that videos only prove if you actually still don't understand the context.
That videos, has no effect to me.Please try to differ what is state, what is civillian.
I'm a civillian who don't care about my state (government).
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg349340#msg349340or
Btw who cares of this issue
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg349366#msg349366. . .
Mohammed (saw) is also sectarian, if not he won't attacking pagan or jewish tribes to make them embrance Islam.
Another contradiction . . .
And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely.
Then, , would you compel the people in order that they become believers?
And it is not for a soul to believe except by permission of Allah
and He will place defilement upon those who will not use reason
1099-100So remind, ; you are only a reminder.
You are not over them a controller.
However, he who turns away and disbelieves -
Then Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment.
Indeed, to Us is their return.
Then indeed, upon Us is their account.
8821-26See? Another wishful thinking . . . your contention are full of inconsistencies.
and did you mean this kind of unity and Islam ?
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=es-p5OHTSxk
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj_GTRcKq_I
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ReNSqqVeU
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Mohammed (saw) is also sectarian, if not he won't attacking pagan or jewish tribes to make them embrance Islam.
And also the Caliphate will not destroy Byzantine just because they're Christian.Islam is identity and must be united in single ummah whatever the sects.
Ah you're an Islamist.
This makes it very clear.. and this is where you and I are different.You're following what those Caliphate mandates you to believe.
It was those Caliphate who invented Islamism as a political mean to gain world power and crush their enemies.
As thus the lingo of "enemy of Islam" was born.Those Caliphate also wrote story about the past that must be considered as fact by their follower, thus you read the sectarian Muhammad robbing villages of "the enemies", massacred them and put their women and children into slavery. Which was what those Caliphates love to do anyway. And you believe everything on it.
It's your right to believe whatever you want, as every action shall have an appropriate reaction.
No one is able to escape that law.Salam / Peace
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Religion is an insult to human dignity
With or without religion
you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things
But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion
Steven WeinbergPeace,
Spoken like a true atheist (Steven Weinberg) nope
God bless
peace
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Salaam
From what perspective?
Your wishful thinking and distorted facts ?
You related two prespective which has no connections at all
And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely.
Then, , would you compel the people in order that they become believers?
And it is not for a soul to believe except by permission of Allah
and He will place defilement upon those who will not use reason
1099-100So remind, ; you are only a reminder.
You are not over them a controller.
However, he who turns away and disbelieves -
Then Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment.
Indeed, to Us is their return.
Then indeed, upon Us is their account.
8821-26Simple you intepret the Quran withouth knowing the just and cause for in what situation that verses was sent down.
Claim to following hadith, but intepret Quran by assumptions.and did you mean this kind of unity and Islam ?
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=es-p5OHTSxk
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj_GTRcKq_I
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ReNSqqVeU
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF0S4qUQWzU
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHPvxCKofs4Since you believe in hadith, then why you refute it??
According to hadith, the Ahmadiyah deserved to get it, since they did high treason and corrupted religion of Allah.
Also in hadith, Ahmadiyah will labelled as "raddad".Same as murtad, they will get death sentence if they're not repent.Oh yes maybe the terms kill and death sentece already get the bad stereotype in the current civillization/era.
Oh yes maybe death sentence is against the human right according to the current civillization.
And you muslims, you just get brainwashed by the environment of this civvilizationFor us who lived in this era perhaps will get shock by watching this video, but if we lived in the medieval or ancient eras, perhaps watching that phenomenon is a common thing or maybe supporting it
I ever heard a quote from a cleric.
He said "We must follow the God's teaching not make God's teaching to follow manmade laws and civillization"Until now I still agreed with that quote.
Ah you're an Islamist.
This makes it very clear.. and this is where you and I are different.Differences doesn't make us hate each other.
The only thing we must uphold is toleranceYou're following what those Caliphate mandates you to believe.
It was those Caliphate who invented Islamism as a political mean to gain world power and crush their enemies.
As thus the lingo of "enemy of Islam" was born.Sound islamophobes
Plus it depend which Caliphate?? Me only recognized Rasyidin Calipate as true Caliphate, while it's succesor just only a power seeker.
The purpose of creation of Caliphate state at time is too implement the God's sharia and protect moslems from foreign invasion.
At that time there is none like UN or somethings and invasion was commons.Those Caliphate also wrote story about the past that must be considered as fact by their follower, thus you read the sectarian Muhammad robbing villages of "the enemies", massacred them and put their women and children into slavery. Which was what those Caliphates love to do anyway. And you believe everything on it.
Mohammed never did that.He is not a simple person who attack another tribes because of that insane reasons
There is an evidence if Muhammad also uphold tolerance with other religion
See http//4.bp.blogspot.com/-P02h9DLZHBc/UFiwH6F6BGI/AAAAAAAACT4/OCbLvrDuW58/s1600/Prophet+Mohammad's+letter+to+St.+Catherine+Monastery.jpg
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You related two prespective which has no connections at all
The message of the Quran is "would you compel the people in order that they become believers?"
and . . "So remind, ; you are only a reminder. You are not over them a controller."
and the is no compulsion in the deen. . .but you said
Mohammed (saw) is also sectarian, if not he won't attacking pagan or jewish tribes to make them embrance Islam.
Therefore, your contention are contradicting the Quran.
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Since you believe in hadith, then why you refute it??
Because hadith is man-made (you are merely repeating the same issue where you have ignored or unable to give reason)
same with other scriptures and need to be confirmed by facts from the Quran . .Wishful thinking. . . prove from the Quran, then the hadith. . . then Ijma, Bible, Torah, Qiyas etc.
Again, and according to priority. . .- Quran
http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png - Hadith
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http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png - Qiyas (analogical reasoning relating to similarities with
non specific verses from the Bible, Torah, Traditions, Man-made law etc)
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Istishab (presumption of continuity), Ijtihad (logic, critical thinking) etc . . . .
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According to hadith, the Ahmadiyah deserved to get it, since they did high treason and corrupted religion of Allah.
Also in hadith, Ahmadiyah will labelled as "raddad".Same as murtad, they will get death sentence if they're not repent.http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=es-p5OHTSxk
See? another contradiction . . . since it is not what the Quran are saying . . .
and you are just repeating the issue where you have ignored with your blank denials etc, over and over. . circular reasoning. . .
now . . did those Ahmadiyah reserved to be killed ?
Regarding this "way of life" (hablum minannas), Allah already make it clear. . .
To Him belong the possessions of the heavens and the earth
He spreads out the provision for whoever He wills, and He measures it.
He is fully aware of all things.He has decreed for you the same system <- below is referring to "religion" vs. "ad-deen"
He ordained for Noah,
and what We inspired to you,
and what We ordained for Abraham,
Moses
and Jesus"You shall uphold this system and <- the system of "just" vs. "unjust", balance...
do not divide in it." <- No Sectarianism, ie. assimilation.. assimilate with the societyIntolerable for the polytheists (idol worshipper) is what you invite (unity) them towards <- contradicting the above concept
God chooses for Himself whoever He wills
He guides to Himself those who repent.And they only divided after the knowledge had come to them
due to resentment among themselves
And had it not been for a predetermined decision from your Lord
they would have been judged immediately
Indeed, those who inherited the Book after them are full of doubts.For that, you shall preach (speak for balance and justice)
and be upright, as you have been commanded <- meaning of an upright man
and do not follow their wishes (for sectarianism). And say
"I believe in all that God has sent down as a Book,
and I was commanded to be with justice between you. <- hablum minannas, unity, assimilation
God is our Lord and your Lord.
We have our deeds and you have your deeds.
There is no argument between us and you. <- hablum minallah, no dispute! It is personal preferences.
God will gather us all together, and to Him is the ultimate destiny."
4212-15See? Allah said that "There is no argument between us and you. "
Therefore why are you saying "the Ahmadiyah deserved to get it"
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I ever heard a quote from a cleric.
He said "We must follow the God's teaching not make God's teaching to follow manmade laws and civillization"Until now I still agreed with that quote.
your statement is contradicting with your belief since the hadith is a man-made law etc. . .
contradictorily, you believe that there should be a war or jihad against the non muslim etc
and you said "the Ahmadiyah deserved to get it, since they did high treason and corrupted religion of Allah."
against what the Quran are saying . .
see? your contention are full of inconsistencies . . .
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Differences doesn't make us hate each other.
The only thing we must uphold is toleranceSound islamophobes
Plus it depend which Caliphate?? Me only recognized Rasyidin Calipate as true Caliphate, while it's succesor just only a power seeker.
The purpose of creation of Caliphate state at time is too implement the God's sharia and protect moslems from foreign invasion.
At that time there is none like UN or somethings and invasion was commons.You mean this ? rotfl
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=es-p5OHTSxk
and . .
See? I have proven again and again that your belief and contentions are full of inconsistencies and contradictions . . .
- Quran