Gay and Muslim?

muslims

Salam

See? How are you trying so hard to distort the words in the Qur'an?

Maybe, innocently .. or may also out of ego, regardless it is the truth or not. Allah Knows Best.

I mean mate is spouse of course

Here are the links, quote one dictionary that says "spouses" is not referring to "marriages"

Therefore and if you are referring it to "spouses", then it must mean "marriages"!

Peace.

unknownuser

Salam

See? How you are trying hard to distort the words in the Qur'an? Maybe, innocently.

Peace.

Distort?? I distort Quranic verses with my Arabic knowledge, while you distort it with your strange logic science.

Peace

muslims

Salam

This is a simple question, do you mean it as "spouse" or not?

Can you understand this simple question?

Choose whatever you like from your own interpretation, according to your supreme Arabic knowledge. I don't really care about what you choose. It makes no difference to my arguments. Either way I can prove it logically how your interpretation is inconsistent with the Qur'an. The Qur'an has mentioned about this, and I believe in it.

So.. choose one, A or B

A. It means spouses

B. It does not mean spouses

Peace

unknownuser

So.. choose one, A or B

A. It means spouses

B. It does not mean spouses

Ok I will be patient from now.

What verse do u mean for answering your question?

muslims

Salam

You don't understand that simple question?

What is wrong with your wisdom and clear thinking? confused

Peace

unknownuser

You don't understand that simple question?

Yes I don't understand, so explain your question clearly.

muslims

Yes I don't understand, so explain your question clearly.

Salam

You must be lying since you have already answered it previously and yet you are saying don't understand the question?

I mean mate is spouse of course

The most simple question, with an option of A or B?

How can any believers acted this way? confused

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it is probably what?

So.. A or B?

This is a simple question, do you mean it as "spouse" or not?

Peace

unknownuser

You must be lying since you have already answered it previously and yet you say you still don't understand the question?

How can any believers acted this way? confused

I'm not lying, lying in this forum is no use for me.

Indeed verse 236 talk about human mates

236 Except around their mates, or those who are maintained by their oaths, they are free from blame.(Free-Minds Translation).

If we look by the conteks of the verses, mates (zawaj) is spouse.Spouses is neutral in gender, it can be male or female.

muslims

If we look by the conteks of the verses, mates (zawaj) is spouse.Spouses is neutral in gender, it can be male or female.

Salam

So.. let me confirm it again with you for the (x) times, you mean it as "spouses"?

Male or female is irrelevant to what I will discuss here.

Peace

unknownuser

Yes, by looking of verse's context.

muslims

So.. let me confirm it again with you for the (x) times, you mean it as "spouses"?

Yes, by looking of verse's context.

Salam

Okay, you mean it to be "spouses".

And those who guard their private parts. Except from their spouses

Second question,

Now, can you show me any dictionary (link) that says "spouses" is not related to "husband or wife", or "marriages"?

Peace

unknownuser

Now, can you show me any dictionary (link) that says "spouses" is not related to husband and wife, or marriages?

This is your biggest fault when intepreted my post.I will make clear now.

I never said if spouses not related to husbad-wife, marriage.But that time we talk about verse 235-6 (about private guard).

So I respong if this verses has not talking about marriage, the contexs is about zina preventing.

muslims

This is your biggest fault when intepreted my post.I will make clear now.

I never said if spouses not related to husbad-wife, marriage.But that time we talk about verse 235-6 (about private guard).

So I respong if this verses has not talking about marriage, the contexs is about zina preventing.

Salam

Read again our main ssue, where did I mention about (235-6)?

I'm discussing about (7029-31) and it is you who diverted/jumping from one issue the other, and yet claiming that it is my biggest fault.

And those who guard their private parts <- ALL human beings have private parts, including homosexual
Except from their wives <- referring to marriages
or those their right hands possess
for indeed, they are not to be blamed
But whoever seeks beyond that
then they are the transgressors
(7029-31)

We settle one issue at a time. We check the verses and discuss that later, though it is hard to say the context is about the prevention of zina.

Secondly,

Now, can you show me any dictionary (link) that says "spouses" is not related to "husband or wife", or "marriages"?

I'm still waiting for the meaning of "spouses".

Please provide me the links.

Peace

unknownuser

I'm still waiting for the meaning of "spouses"?

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spouse

huruf

There is also the question of what "hafadha farj" entails, means, encompasses.

There is also the question that in 23.5 there is a list of deeds for which people who do them will inherit al firdaws...

so, only those who do all of them will inherit, or will those who do all of them save one inherit and the good they do will not avail them anything?

Also, what is taken to mean ma malakat aymanuhum in aya 23.5?

Salaam

muslims

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spouse

Salam

You can't be serious?

Is Wikipedia is the "authoritative body for defining words"?

Do you know what is Wikipedia?

Do you know what is Encyclopedia?

Do you know who writes in Wikipedia?

Try this...

http//www.refseek.com/directory/dictionaries.html

http//www.goodreads.com/list/show/785.Best_Dictionaries_of_the_English_Language

or any dictionary of your choice.

Peace

unknownuser

Sorry for wait.A internet trouble.

I mostly use dictionary.com

muslims

Sorry for wait.A internet trouble.

I mostly use dictionary.com

Salam

You can type yourself, or try here..

Meta-search tool indexing 13 million words from 1,000 dictionaries.
http//www.onelook.com/?w=spouse&ls=a

Roget's Thesaurus
http//dictionary.reference.com/browse/spouse?s=t

or

American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language
http//education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/spouse

Collins English Dictionary
http//www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/spouse

Oxford Dictionaries Online
http//www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/spouse?q=spouse

Merriam Webster
http//www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spouse

Cambridge
http//dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/spouse?q=spouse

Macmillan
http//www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/spouse

Abbreviations.com
http//www.abbreviations.com/SPOUSE

Definitions.net
http//www.definitions.net/definition/spouse

Vocabulary.com
https//www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/spouse

Peace

unknownuser

Thanks for the links )

Back to the topic.Literally after magrib until some days maybe, I'm busy.

muslims

Salam

Okay, it is two hours difference if in Surabaya or Gresik, that means almost Maghrib.

So does it referring to "husband and wife" and "marriages"?

Peace