No Verses in Quran Which Order to Follow "Quran Only"
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You're so funny, Surabaya is in East Java and I'm also live in East Java.
The time in Surabaya now is http//ind.timegenie.com/city.time/idsub
I'm out too
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Indonesia have 3 different time pattern - WIB (Waktu Indonesia Barat) for West region
No, 3am (Waktu Indonesia Barat) ;D
Barat = West = West Java / Jawa Barat
Timur = East = East Java / Jawa TimurI think you are funny, but say other people are funny...
You said "WEST" (Barat) java .. not east . . but then change to east rotfl
I'm also live in East Java.
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Isn't the whole quran-alone issue about whether or not people regard a text as a divinely inspired text. I thought the original difference was that the s.c. quran aloners held that texts other than the quran are not to be regarded as the words of God as such. I thought quran alone was rejecting the ideas that sunna and hadith is REQUIRED and a MUST to understand the quran. The issue was never whether or not we can derive guidance from other texts than the quran or not... but rather which texts are uncorrupted instructions from God.
There seems to be different discussions going on at the same time. People confuse matters, as usual.Peace
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Barat = West = West Java / Jawa Barat
Timur = East = East Java / Jawa TimurI think you are funny, but say other people are funny...
You said "WEST" (Barat) java .. not east rotfl
This is the example of insane people. (Mock people withouth knowledge)
http//yuniarku.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/timezone.gif
Can your eyes open ;D ?? Please learn that image (Java included in West region)
There seems to be different discussions going on at the same time. People confuse matters, as usual.
If it seems personal, just don't read it
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A (if I Quran follower).
But I still in research, is the name of Deen ul Islam also authorized in previous Books or not.
You can find "Islam" in the Bible if you look on Message level and not on the tons of conjecture attributed to the Arabic words. And, although I have only read briefly, some vocabulary such as connected to the Arabic/Semitic word S - L - M can be found in it. The Shalom Jews use is obviously connected to Islam too. The thing is that people likely did not relate to the phenomenon "religion" in the past but talked about God and service to Him. Also thus there is no such thing as religion but a system of God and to believe in God or not, and to do good or not. It is black on white really.
Those who call themselves Nazarens or Yahood were probably the earliest sects in Islam, so to say and the sects increase by the day and we have Shia and we have Sunni and several others. All of them have their own unique conjecture which is falsehood and they cannot believe without it as per God's words.
God bless you brother and no criticism intended
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You can find "Islam" in the Bible if you look on Message level and not on the tons of conjecture attributed to the Arabic words.
Thanks Man of Fait, but in what book?
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Isn't the whole quran-alone issue about whether or not people regard a text as a divinely inspired text.
Hadith was never treated as a divinely inspired text, even in the Sunni etc
It is treated as a report
Hadith (Arabic , /h?d/ or /hdi/) in religious use is often translated as 'tradition', meaning a report of the deeds and sayings of Muhammad.; Hadith
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This is the example of insane people. (Mock people withouth knowledge)
Look again, you said WEST JAVA , ie. BARAT (WEST) ...
No, 3am (Waktu Indonesia Barat) ;D
and then you said EAST JAVA
I'm also live in East Java.
West = Barat
East = Timurand the image is not about JAVA, but about INDONESIA !
West, Central and East INDONESIA . . . not about West, Central and East JAVA !
You said "JAVA" . . . not INDONESIA !
It is very hard to discuss with people who did not understand , even his own discussion or country. rotfl
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Isn't the whole quran-alone issue about whether or not people regard a text as a divinely inspired text. I thought the original difference was that the s.c. quran aloners held that texts other than the quran are not to be regarded as the words of God as such. I thought quran alone was rejecting the ideas that sunna and hadith is REQUIRED and a MUST to understand the quran. The issue was never whether or not we can derive guidance from other texts than the quran or not... but rather which texts are uncorrupted instructions from God.
There seems to be different discussions going on at the same time. People confuse matters, as usual.Peace
Peace Zulf,
The Message is not only in The Book; it is to regard oneself as a chosen one, but there is no limitation on God's Message. Anyone who chooses to adhere to the Message and believe in God alone and do good will have their reward, with or without a book generally called "Qur'an".
God bless you
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Look again, you said WEST JAVA , ie. BARAT (WEST) ...
It is very had to discuss with people who did not understand his own discussion. rotfl
you're just play dump.
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Thanks Man of Fait, but in what book?
I am sorry my brother. I have not made it stick to my mind as I have so much tinkering going on anyway even if I found it interesting. Interestingly it was a sectarian group that found out about it in Hebrew writings and I think it was from answering-christianity. I cannot authenticate the validity though, but I had to reason to disbelieve that claim.
God bless you
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I am sorry my brother. I have not made it stick to my mind as I have so much tinkering going on anyway even if I found it interesting. Interestingly it was a sectarian group that found out about it in Hebrew writings and I think it was from answering-christianity. I cannot authenticate the validity though, but I had to reason to disbelieve that claim.
Don't worry bro.The reason I want to know the name "Islam" in Tanakh is because the Quran didn't bring the new system, but confirmation/summarization of previous Books.So this mean the name of "Islam"/"Submit" already been used before Quran revelation.
GOd bless you
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you're just play dump.
No I'm not.. but you are, or maybe it is about your ego . . . as usual
and the image is not about JAVA, but about INDONESIA !
West, Central and East INDONESIA . . . not about West, Central and East JAVA !
You said "JAVA" . . . not INDONESIA !
It is very hard to discuss with people who did not understand , even his own discussion or country. rotfl
http//yuniarku.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/timezone.gif
See? It said West Indonesia, Central Indonesia and East Indonesia .... not JAVA !
Java is not Indonesia
Java is part of Indonesia...
this is the map of JAVA laugh
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Java_map.png
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No I'm not.. but you are, or maybe it is about your ego . . . as usual
http//yuniarku.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/timezone.gif
There is nothingmore to be said to a dumb person .
East Java is the name of province located in Java.
Java included in Western region.
All Indonesia's western region using WIB formatStill refute?? this mean you're just a boy.
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Don't worry bro.The reason I want to know the name "Islam" in Tanakh is because the Quran didn't bring the new system, but confirmation/summarization of previous Books.So this mean the name of "Islam"/"Submit" already been used before Quran revelation.
GOd bless you
If you are interested my Nearness and Guidance thread frequently finds proof about that statement The Book is only a reminder and that there is no exclusiveness for those who received it. Islam or that thing is no news for The Book but some system that has been there all along.
It is barely that we should use the word Islam or Muslim as a label but rather a definition for the practice of serving God by submission. I dislike the obsession with the name Islam and all that. It is a better label than Christian, Nazarene, but still it ought not to be a label as it brings people with little Faith in their heart to abuse it.
God bless you
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If you are interested my Nearness and Guidance thread frequently finds proof about that statement The Book is only a reminder and that there is no exclusiveness for those who received it. Islam or that thing is no news for The Book but some system that has been there all along.
Yes I agree and Tanakh-Quran is related each other, reading them is like watch movie series, we will don't understand the story of part two if we didn't watch the first part before.
God bless you
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for West region
for Central region
for Eastern regionOkay very sorry, some misunderstanding from your statement . .
I'm confused because you said "REGION" and normally it refers to West, Central or East Java since you are currently in Java
I regularly went to Indonesia and people in Java understood regions as West, Central or East Java, not West, Central or East Indonesia
I never know that Indonesia have West, Central and East regions, even through google
I think you should say West, Central or East Indonesia . . . not West, Central or East Regions
because this West, Central and East Timezone is not referring to region . . . but referring to the whole country
Timezone is not a region . . . it is Time + Zone . . zoning map
Therefore , West, Central and East Indonesia
You can refer to Wikipedia, and it does not say region but West, Central and East Indonesia
There is no West, Central and East Regions in Indonesia
There is only West, Central and East Indonesia with 34 regions . . .
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Hadith was never treated as a divinely inspired text, even in the Sunni etc
It is treated as a report
Agreed. Hadith isn't regarded as divinely inspired per se... BUT in practise it's not so far off from that.
Hadith is seen as a report of what prophet Muhammad said and did... and many narrations are regarded as authentic.
And whatever prophet Muhammad is reported to have said and done IS in fact and in practise treated as no less than instructions from God, although having gone through the intermediary steps of a prophet's words, rulings and actions.It's a bit like sunnis claim not to worship the prophet, while their actions tell another story... regardless of whether or not they take him as God (which they don't as far as semantics and definitions go). Perhaps they don't worship him as a god, but people nevertheless worship him. In this sense, people take hadith as true and inspired religious instructions.
I also thought that quran-alone was about that we do not REQUIRE the hadith for understanding the quran. Believing that hadith is not a necessary requirement says nothing about where we can or cannot find guidance outside the quran.
Peace