No Verses in Quran Which Order to Follow "Quran Only"
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Agreed. Hadith isn't regarded as divinely inspired per se... BUT in practise it's not so far off from that.
Conclusion based on practice can be in any form and cannot be the basis of valid conclusion or argument
We must make conclusion based on what is "clearly written and accepted by them" for a valid and fair conclusion
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Conclusion based on practice can be in any form and cannot be the basis of valid conclusion or argument
We must make conclusion based on what is "clearly written and accepted by them" for a valid and fair conclusion
This is what makes it so difficult to say anything.
I don't even think there is a clear "them". And nobody speaks for all.
And this is why we should not judge others. Most likely we are then just guessing and misunderstanding.
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I don't even think there is a clear "them". And nobody speaks for all.
And this is why we should not judge others. Most likely we are then just guessing and misunderstanding.So what does it mean to be Quran Alone, that is accepted by all Quranists ?
Does Quranism have mazhab ? (refer here)
It is clear that they rejected every hadith as religious authority, laws or determining our way of life.
Is this not true ?
Quranism (Arabic Qurniyn) is an Islamic movement that holds the Qur'an to be the most authentic criterion in Islam. Quranists generally reject the religious authority of Hadith. This in contrast to the Sunni, Shia and Ibadi doctrines which consider hadith essential for the Islamic faith.
Doctrine
Quranists reject the authority of hadith on theological grounds, pointing to verses in the Quran which they believe supports their view that all necessary instruction can be found within the Quran, without reference to the Hadith
The Quranist claim that hadith is not mentioned in the Quran as a source of Islamic theology and practice, was not recorded in written form until more than two centuries after the death of the prophet Muhammed, and contain perceived internal errors and contradictions.
In the United States it was associated with Rashad Khalifa, founder of the United Submitters International. The group popularized the phrase The Qur'an, the whole Qur'an, and nothing but the Qur'an.
Quranism
Do you find my conclusion not based on this understanding?
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So what does it mean to be Quran Alone, that is accepted by all Quranists ?
It is clear that they rejected every hadith as religious authority, laws or determining our way of life ?
Is this not true ?
Seems to be the case yes.
But being "Quranist" doesn't mean you believe guidance cannot be found outside the quran. Person A may find guidance in source X, while person B finds it in source Y. A source need not be institutionalized (like holy scriptures) in order to be a source of guidance.
Does Quranism have mazhab ? (refer here)
That's a list of classification.
I wonder how many of the "members" of those groupings consider themselves being members of their respective group. Perhaps most of them, considering the tendency of the human being to classify everything including themselves. -
It is clear that they rejected every hadith as religious authority, laws or determining our way of life ?
Seems to be the case yes.
I don't believe in religious authority . . . because Allah never talks about religions
Religion is the opposite of Deen
Allah doesn't need religion because all human beings are submitting to him, willingly or unwillingly (483)
Allah doesn't need religion because it is unfair, it is faulty generalization and abuse the concept of justice
In fact, Ibrahim has no religion, so as Muhammad . . . (367-6
otherwise Muhammad would become a Christian or Jews since both scriptures are from Allah.
How could Muhammad rejects Allah Books and Religions?
Therefore in reality, it is human who need religion to divide the society and be in power, to manipulate and make money from the masses
Allah doesn't need for human beings to have religion
Based on this understanding . . . we are human beings and what matter to human beings is just or unjust
(so as everything .. in pairs, day and night, men and women, good and evil, etc . . . just and unjust , there is no just group A, just group B, just group C)
and it is common (unity) in all religions and living creatures . . no matter what they are , just or unjust . . good or evil
Therefore . . every texts and references can be the the authority, laws or determining our way of life (refer here)
PROVIDED ALWAYS, it is based on the foundation in the Quran . . . ie. the ROOTS of a tree of life
It is totally based on the elements of balance and justice
and the Quran is the foundation (roots)
I think the verse is very clear and Allah commands us to ponder the "Foundation" (root, constitution, infrastructure, the objective, targets) for finding the straight path to peaceful living. . . here and life after death.
It is He who has sent down to you, the Book
in it are verses precise
they are the FOUNDATION of the Book
(3.7)
The verses that are entirely clear from the Quran is the foundation, "perfectly in detail" (very strong and solid Constitution) . . and the hadith, men-made laws, other religious texts and references are the "BRANCHES" (subsidiary laws, regulations and policies etc.) . . . and human beings cannot live by the "Foundation Alone"; e.g. country that only has the Constitution Alone, without any subsidiary laws, regulations and policies. Chaos !
To each of you We prescribed a law and a method
Had Allah willed
He would have made you one nationbut to test you
in what He has given you
so race to good
To Allah is your return all together
and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ
(5.4The actual religion is Laws, Government, Businesses, Agriculture, Economical, Political, International Relations etc . .
Where it is accepted by all human beings and benefiting humanity
It is the Deen (way of life) and it is in these areas Muslim must bring balance and justice
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Deen is just an Arabic word for religion.
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But being "Quranist" doesn't mean you believe guidance cannot be found outside the quran. Person A may find guidance in source X, while person B finds it in source Y. A source need not be institutionalized (like holy scriptures) in order to be a source of guidance.
Votes by the Quraniyoon on this website
http//free-minds.org/what-your-view-hadith-sunnah
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http//free-minds.org/monotheist-charter
http//www.progressivemuslims.org/organization.htm
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Votes by the Quraniyoon on this website
http//free-minds.org/what-your-view-hadith-sunnah
http//i41.tinypic.com/107j7sm.gif
http//free-minds.org/monotheist-charter
http//www.progressivemuslims.org/organization.htm
They reject them as sources of Faith.
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I don't believe in religious authority . . . because Allah never talks about religions
Allah doesn't need religion because all human beings are submitting to him, willingly or unwillingly (483)
Allah doesn't need religion because it is unfair, it is faulty generalization and abuse the concept of justice
In fact, Ibrahim has no religion, so as Muhammad . . . (367-6
otherwise Muhammad would become a Christian or Jews since both scriptures are from Allah.
How could Muhammad rejects Allah Books and Religions?
Therefore in reality, it is human who need religion to divide the society and be in power, to manipulate and make money from the masses
Allah doesn't need for human beings to have religion
Based on this understanding . . . we are human beings and what matter to human beings is just or unjust
(so as everything .. in pairs, day and night, men and women, good and evil, etc . . . just and unjust , there is no just group A, just group B, just group C)
and it is common (unity) in all religions and living creatures . . no matter what they are , just or unjust . . good or evil
Therefore . . every texts and references can be the the authority, laws or determining our way of life (refer here)
PROVIDED ALWAYS, it is based on the foundation in the Quran . . . ie. the ROOTS of a tree of life
It is totally based on the elements of balance and justice
and the Quran is the foundation (roots)
To each of you We prescribed a law and a method
Had Allah willed
He would have made you one nationbut to test you
in what He has given you
so race to good
To Allah is your return all together
and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ
(5.4I agree very much with this. It happens to be my point of view as well!
I often generalize and say that the closer you go to religion, the farther away from God you get. -
Votes by the Quraniyoon on this website
http//free-minds.org/what-your-view-hadith-sunnah
http//i41.tinypic.com/107j7sm.gif
Thanks for the reference.
I find the options given in the poll vague and inexact.
"I see them as an integral part of Islam which cannot be rejected."
This one is quite clear I think."I accept them in general, but don't practice all that they say."
I wonder how one can accept something and then not practice it... unless of course you are aware of what it is that is preventing you from practising it."I reject some and accept the ones that make sense."
This one is in practice very much like the previous one."I reject them 100% because I question their authenticity."
Reject their truthfulness or their requirement to be followed as part of religion?"I reject them 100% because the Quran says it is detailed and all we need."
This one is funny. What does "all we need" really mean? All we need for what? Don't people who choose this option also believe that we don't necessarily understand anything from the quran unless we are permitted by God, being sincere and pure enough? I think this option is a bit extreme, the way it is formulated, considering that the quran is just a collection of words in sentences, and that insight, understanding and wisdom is anything but a collection of words. It sounds almost like it is all about the quran, while in my opinion the quran is just a guiding tool. What we can gather from the quran has nothing to do with the quran itself, but rather with the condition of our own selves. That's my view at least.
But then again, the way these options are worded might not be optimal and each one could probably be understood in different ways. Personally I wouldn't choose any one of these options as I feel they cannot represent accurately how I perceive things.Anyhow, I see what the poll says. What it really, really means though, is not necessarily equally clear.
Peace