I am God
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Peace Jafar.
You say you take some guide from Qoran?
Repeated commandments in the Qoran
O you who believe, you shall remember "Allah" frequently; glorify Him day and night.
Your god is whoever or whatever occupies your mind most of the time.
"In the name of "Allah", Most Gracious, Most Merciful. There is no other god besides "Allah", for me.
GOD/ "Allah" bless you.
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Peace folks,
I guess we're all exploring our thoughts on the matters, as these things are no so easy to wrap one's head around. In addition to that we cannot grasp Allah with our minds, we also have problems with language. First of all, most of us do not have English as first language, and second of all, language itself is a barrier to describe our thoughts, and reality. Language is not exact. We all may put slightly different (or sometimes very different) connotations to the words we use, due to our currently held beliefs. I've seen this countless of times over the years on this forum. Many misunderstandings arise from sheer language usage issues.
Anyhow, let me just share my current thoughts again on the topic of Allah-Creation.
First of all... we CANNOT fully understand Allah, so there is no need to become dead serious on this, but I was wondering along the lines how people think of the relationship between Allah and creation.E.g. if Allah is closer to us than our jugular vein... then in what way is Allah here in my body?
Do we see Allah as an entity with limited volume which is present in my body BUT which is not me? Is there a line between my body (which at the core is just energy (as far as this physical world is concerned)) and Allah?
Do we see Allah as separate from us since we read that we will finally "return to him"?
What happened when Allah created Creation/Universe? Did this creation "detach" from Allah and become something which is not Allah?
Is this life just a dream? Is then perhaps the entire universe a dream? Is the universe part of our perception, or does the physical universe exist without our souls/spirits/consciousness? What is creation made of? Energy? What is the energy made of then? WHERE is the energy (which atoms etc are made of) located? Is it located? Where is Allah and where is the energy of the creation? Are they separated in space? Is Allah in space/time? If not, then how do we see Allah as separated? How separated?Obviously, I don't think anyone can ever grasp these things, because they're beyond our comprehension of this 4D-world and our 5-6 senses. I definitely don't think that where universe ends, Allah starts. I think that is a too mechanistic and physical way of seeing things.
In any case, Allah is not human-like with 4D properties.Peace dear fellow earthlings
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Clear shirk with Allah????
Just because somebody disagree with you, you label them as 'shirk'? (whatever that mean).Salaam,
probably you need to reread what Zulf wrote and what I wrote before you jump into conclusion.
What Zulf wrote is what Zulf thought what muslims meant. I was commenting on what Zulf wrote on what he thought muslims meant.
I hope you see the difference.3040 tells nothing that refute the claim of "Creation (actually he meant this universe) is Part of God".
If you don't believe in such definition and have your own definition then fine.Yes I also meant this universe. This universe is according to the Quran not part of Allah.
Shirk in the Quran means (as far as my knowledge allows me) joining 2 or more things together. Thus by definition if you join something with Allah then it is doing shirk with Allah.First let's settle some basic understanding on "inside or outside or where/location and when/time".
Space and time is one continuum in this universe.
Space and time itself is a creation.
The big bang was the 'beginning of space and time' there was no 'time and space' (that we perceive as of now) before such event occur.
And today we see a phenomenon of something which sucks 'space and time' and everything that depends on it (light, matter and others) into non-existence.
We named such phenomenon as 'black hole', it has infinite (uncountable) mass and zero volume.Because we cannot count the 'infinite', we can also say that the 'black hole' has no mass. At least from our (limited) perspective.
Due to our own definition of something which has no volume or mass is defined as not exist.
Then the 'black hole' as per space and time definition do not exist.Yet it does exist within this universe, it devour 'space and time' into non-existence.
The black hole is one of the example of 'something which is within and also outside this universe'.
In order to 'suck time and space of this universe' it need to be 'within this universe' and because it has no / infinite mass and no volume it's 'outside this universe'.The black hole appears in many places in this universe.
Infact every galaxy among trillion of galaxies within this universe at least has one in it in the center.Now back to the main topic.
We are not talking about physics here, if you like to talk about black holes then open a new thread.
The conception of God is both within and outside this universe AND always present since and before the birth of this universe and beyond the end of this universe is not something new. That's how the israelite define YHVH, the ancient Indians define Brahman, Siddhartha define the 'ultimate consciousness' and how Lao Tse define Tao.
Sorry I am not interested in the concepts of the Israelites or the ancient Indians or Siddhartha or Lao Tse.
If Allah is not as defined above then the opposite / negation will be.
Allah is NOT within and outside this universe AND NOT present since and before the birth of this universe and beyond the end of this universe .
Which can be simplified as, Allah do not exist within and beyond this space and time.
Which is the same as saying Allah do not exist at all.Wrong premises most of time lead to wrong conclusions.
If you believe as such then fine...
If that's the case then your definition of Allah differs with the israelite definition YHVH, the ancient Indians definition Brahman, siddharta definition the 'ultimate consciousness' , Lao Tse's definition of Tao.that's why I said IF we take The Quran as our guide in this matter. I hope you understand what IF means.
And I see no need for me (or somebody else) to label you with 'shirk' or any other 'label'.
again I was commenting on the understanding in the light of The Quran not on the person.
PS I don't tale Quran as my only guide on any matter.
I know, that's why a discussion with you or any one who takes other sources besides Allah and what He reveals is impossible.
We have in this case no common base. Like it is for me impossible to start a discussion with a Christian who believes Jesus is God. that Christian does not believe in my sources and I don't believe in his sources, so these kind of discussions are in advance doomed to fail.Salam / Peace
Salaam,
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Sorry I am not interested in the concepts of the Israelites or the ancient Indians or Siddhartha or Lao Tse.
So it seems, according to you Allah is a totally different thing, although you don't explain what you think Allah is.
Wrong premises most of time lead to wrong conclusions.
Then what is your conclusion?
I know, that's why a discussion with you or any one who takes other sources besides Allah and what He reveals is impossible.
So you think Allah is Quran ?
As thus if one takes other source than the Quran then it's the same as taking another source than Allah?
Interesting...
I wondered about those who lived before the Quran was codified and written..We have in this case no common base. Like it is for me impossible to start a discussion with a Christian who believes Jesus is God. that Christian does not believe in my sources and I don't believe in his sources, so these kind of discussions are in advance doomed to fail.
Indeed the difference is you think Quran is Allah and Allah is only Quran.
Other than Quran is not from Allah.As for me, I never find problem discussing with the Christians, Judaists, Buddhist, Taoist, Hindus etc..
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So it seems, according to you Allah is a totally different thing, although you don't explain what you think Allah is.
Salaam,
To be more precise, imo Allah is totally different.
Then what is your conclusion?
This is how The Quran defines Him click . And I totally agree with it, it's an abstract concept that can not be visualized or imagined or whatsoever.
I was planning to expand it but I got lazy -[So you think Allah is Quran ?
As thus if one takes other source than the Quran then it's the same as taking another source than Allah?
Interesting...
I wondered about those who lived before the Quran was codified and written..Indeed the difference is you think Quran is Allah and Allah is only Quran.
Other than Quran is not from Allah.Weird conclusions you make on the things I say ???
As far as my knowledge reaches, The book we call The Quran is not even The Word of Allah let alone part of Allah let alone Allah.
The book with the "Arabic" characters we call The Quran is as far as I know only authorized by Allah.As for me, I never find problem discussing with the Christians, Judaists, Buddhist, Taoist, Hindus etc..
I also find no problems discussing with them but because I do not take their book as base and they do not take my book as base such discussions are most of times doomed to fail.
My evidence would be something like see verse x in chapter y in The Quran
Their evidence see passage/verse/quote/etc x in chapter y in The Bible/hadith/etcSalaam,
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Religious people, they interpreted Allah hates all Christians, Judaists, Buddhist, Taoist, Hindus etc rotfl
I am new to this forum and this is my first comment .Born as a sunni,learnt at madrassas and it took 20 years of my spiritual life.Confused by few hadits,stumbled upon into edip yuksels monotheistic translation and was shown a door to this forum.
But you guys are insane, in a good sense i meant ,as the most knowledgable people appear to be nutcases ( especially muslims,jane, and that guy who runs servantof the light.com)
I guess i will have to read all articles, learn arabic and start exploring quran myself.Thanks all to successfully confusing my mind.I can start from scratch
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Hi welcome
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I am new to this forum and this is my first comment .Born as a sunni,learnt at madrassas and it took 20 years of my spiritual life.Confused by few hadits,stumbled upon into edip yuksels monotheistic translation and was shown a door to this forum.
But you guys are insane, in a good sense i meant ,as the most knowledgable people appear to be nutcases ( especially muslims,jane, and that guy who runs servantof the light.com)
I guess i will have to read all articles, learn arabic and start exploring quran myself.Thanks all to successfully confusing my mind.I can start from scratch
Welcome to the forum )
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I just want to share my view.
I saw a lots of people claimed that he was God, or maybe, God incarnations. I saw that people from the newspaper. It made me thinking, why not playing God?
As a computer programmer, I can build my own world from the computers. I studied about math, 3D math, physic, and decided to make a world simulator. If God was building this world from scratch, the first thing he will create is a concept. A concept that can be understandable, simple, and beautiful. So, I was starting my computer simulations from a 2D landscape. I can move the box to the left, I can move the box to right and I can move the box up and down. Then I had an idea, I want the box to face on any direction I want. And that is the concept of rotations. FYI, moving the box to the 4 direction can give you an infinite posibilities of the box placing, and with the concept of rotation, you are making an infinite posibilities above infinite posibilities. For example, from 0 to 1 degree, there is a mid between value ranged 0.0 to 0.99999999999999.....(type until you break the keyboard, trust me it infinite). But the infinity is not just stop there.
By dividing the width and length of the box with Z as the depth, you can create a 3D world with another new infinite posibilities. And remember about the rotation concept I wrote before? It make the probability more and more infinite. Basically, my world simulation was built on infinity above inifinity. Imagine if I create a new concept called physic. THe infinity will be more deep further. Imagine if I create a rule that one particle, cannot be on the same place on the same time, this concept was known as "many". No matter how big you create a circle, you still can create another new circle out of the outer layer of the last circle.
I think my story about my effort of creating a 3D simulation should be stopped here because in short, if want to understand God, trust me, He is infinite. Our world was created based on his infinity. And after we die, we will be faced with another new realm, another dimension that we will never think of based on that infinity. Infinity above infinity.
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No (ا god (َ Only (ا Allah (ُ
Good day, muslims.
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User muslims, there is mistake.
http//download.ahmedhulusi.org/download/pdf/en/allah_en.pdf#page=25Let us give an example. The Arabic statement La rajulun illa Ali can be translated literally as ?There is no real man except/but Ali? or ?There is no man like Ali? or ?Among the men none are Ali?s alike ? (note that all of these statements denote there are in fact other men, but they are not like Ali). However, when the word illa is used in conjunction with the word ALLAH it does not mean ?a god like Allah?, that is, it should not be understood as ?there other gods, but none are like Allah?, as the very meaning denoted by the word ALLAH invalidates this supposition from the onset.
Can you imagine that all of these statements may denote that in island are NOT other men, except Ali?
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In a way muslims was right. He was just confused about the way it works. The Creator (God) is the only true existence and those who want to keep existing need to merge with that which phenomenon is called Allah. Allah is not meant to be treated separately, but you should exist in Allah and not exist separately yourself. On Allah is all real focus. That is the perfect "submission" as many people want to coin it.
The error common people make is that they make Allah into a separate image and this is wrong. And panentheism is perhaps the best descriptive word of the lackluster 'ism' terms.
This is why the Biblical Gospels claim "I am in the Father and the Father is in me" which was actually uttered by Jesus although "father" is supposed to be understood as "Creator".
A non-separation ultimately testifies that a person accepts that the only way is by merging with Allah. This is the meaning of the famous commandments which say to not take an image of anything from Heaven or Earth and worship it. This includes Allah as well. Allah should not be treated separately but it is you who should stop exist yourself separately. So no deification of yourself nor Jesus but you and Jesus and everyone else with understanding merge with Allah, that "consciousness".
The only way to "worship" Allah is to be like that (in affinity), as it was meant that man should be in the image of their Creator. Mere words will not cut it.
Salaam
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Peace everyone,
The Creator (God) is the only true existence and those who want to keep existing need to merge with that which phenomenon is called Allah. Allah is not meant to be treated separately, but you should exist in Allah and not exist separately yourself. On Allah is all real focus. That is the perfect "submission" as many people want to coin it.
The error common people make is that they make Allah into a separate image and this is wrong. And panentheism is perhaps the best descriptive word of the lackluster 'ism' terms.
This is why the Biblical Gospels claim "I am in the Father and the Father is in me" which was actually uttered by Jesus although "father" is supposed to be understood as "Creator".
A non-separation ultimately testifies that a person accepts that the only way is by merging with Allah. This is the meaning of the famous commandments which say to not take an image of anything from Heaven or Earth and worship it. This includes Allah as well. Allah should not be treated separately but it is you who should stop exist yourself separately. So no deification of yourself nor Jesus but you and Jesus and everyone else with understanding merge with Allah, that "consciousness".
Well said bravo
I am not God but I am a part of God.
The Creator is infinite and all matter is a physical manifestation or expression of a tiny part of the infinite Creator. Quantum physics proposes that all matter is fundamentally made of vibrating strings of energy. Energy and matter is interconvertible.
The separation from the infinite Creator and the current physical existence is just a temporary illusion. Eventually we will all "merge" back with the infinite Creator. As we progress from this existence to higher states of existence our physical bodies will become less and less dense and we will become more and more spiritual "light" beings in stages, until finally the illusion of separateness from the infinite Intelligent Energy will disappear and we all will go back to our original pure "energy" state.
Al-Quran supports the idea of the infinite Creator and panentheism (2115, 4126, 4154), as well as some other recent famous books and channelings
http//www.llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.aspx
http//www.deepspring.org/books/Aaron001119.pdf
http//www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/children-lawofone-lost-teachings-atlantis.pdf
Amazing and enlightening reads for anyone interested!
May the infinite Creator bless you all.
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Salaam Truthseeker,
Good. By the way, I am going to look at the language of 1187 more in detail soon since you raised a linguistic point that needs more investigation. There are many things which are wrong about traditional grammar and understanding.
Although I verily tell you that the innate letter meaning "theory" is really for real and not conjecture. I wish to talk more about that.
I asked you to ponder why some chapters begin themselves with one or more letters and then a conjunction. There is no mystery concerning them but they are deliberately left there as a hint. They are part of the literal meaning of Quran. And I am unto deciphering what each letter is supposed to signify. As far as I have understood they are of very primitive meaning (obviously). I just tell that this is not conjecture but I am unto something big and it can help expose further falsehood. Trust me. It helps get better precision on individual words.
Salaam
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Salaam Man of Faith,
Can you please read the books I referenced above and let me know what you think?
Their message is exactly the same as the message you are delivering and I think you will be amazed to discover what they have to say. Those books are quite recent and have finally answered almost all of my unanswered questions about the infinite Creator and the creation, and make perfect sense. Their information resonates with my conscience, reasoning, and real world evidence, and I felt as if the veil/fog was finally lifted and truth was revealed and falsehood was exposed yay
May the infinite Creator guide us to the truth.
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The separation from the infinite Creator and the current physical existence is just a temporary illusion. Eventually we will all "merge" back with the infinite Creator. As we progress from this existence to higher states of existence our physical bodies will become less and less dense and we will become more and more spiritual "light" beings in stages, until finally the illusion of separateness from the infinite Intelligent Energy will disappear and we all will go back to our original pure "energy" state.
And what of the Jinn and men in Hell fire? Are they just experiencing an illusion?
Are they too a part of God and therefore a part of God resides in Hell?
I think a reality check is needed. The universe is that it is.
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And what of the Jinn and men in Hell fire? Are they just experiencing an illusion?
Are they too a part of God and therefore a part of God resides in Hell?
I think a reality check is needed. The universe is that it is.
Salamun Alaikum.
Those who repress their faith and do wrong earn the condemnation of Allah, mankind and the angels altogether.
Once the "illusion" of the life of world is over and we return to our Origin - our Creator, this condemnation will be as undesirable as suffering of fire. That is hell."A part of God resides in Hell" may be an incorrect way of saying hell IS the condemnation of Allah, while heaven IS the staisfaction of Allah - they are all part of the Infinite Creator.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
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Ted,
Even human scientists know that material is actually some kind of energy.
The world is actually sustained from a non-solid energy-like source.
When the day comes it will simply disintegrate and the world will go back to its raw state. There is no permanent physical condition.
Salaam
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And Hell is, much as Arman wants to convey I think, not exactly a physical reality but a condition of agony since there simply is no physical reality except that what we see as that is actually some raw force which is artificially constructing barriers and visual illusions.
Sure Hell can be visualized based on the will of Allah but the real experience if you know the true nature of existence, i.e. Allah, is non-physical and hence not based on solidity. This is also why so many humans fail to realize the real nature behind our faith and adopt a materialistic view of their existence which is actually a trap. This worldly illusion is a trap.
Interpretation of Quran is frequently adapted to support this view while the truth is not so. Sometimes interpretation is immensely imaginative and do not represent the truth at all. Quran in its mainstream way of understanding teaches a highly Pagan religion with love for the flesh and to appreciate materialism dearly because you will be given plentifully when you go to the next life. By other means it teaches to indulge in worldliness rather than spirituality completely opposite of Jesus message and even lots of the Old Testament.
Salaam