I am God

Sabeel_Ameer

Peace,

Why would not God be a force in the galaxies. Do you know what the expression means?

Do you deny that God's energy is present throughout the world?

Peace,

As universe is a system, if the God is IN the galaxies, doesnt it mean that the universe CONTAINS God ?
As the Creator is the only one who's infinite,without a beginning - How's the universe/galaxy is also infinite like the creator ?

Man_of_Faith

Peace,

Did I say that the universe is infinite? I said that God's energy is present in the galaxies.

The galaxies and whatever is there is God depending on how you see it. It is God's foundation and we are just characters in it. If God would not have energy present in the galaxies then The Master would also not be omnipresent. And all belongs to God and everything created. And because God's "power grid" extends into this world then God can just execute a command with no delay. It ought to hence mean that God has energy present in this creation. If it was a completely stand-alone creation with no energy of God then The Master would not be omnipresent.

Bender

More accusation?

I think I better stop replying you after this.

I'm human, I can be tired and bored with this...

Bye...

p.s.

To all moderators

Forgive me, because perhaps I already make too many unwanted posts this day.

I want to stop to post in this thread, inshaAllah.

Salm.

Salaam,

Wise decision!!!

Salaam,
Bender

muslims

I think I better stop replying you after this.

Yes, you should. You do not bring any reason to support your disagreement
other than proving you are nation of Paradise and superior to others, ie. ego gratification. Please step aside. laugh

muslims

There is no god except Allah. All other gods are fake, and He is the one and only true God. That's why we say He is 'The God'.

You said. . .
"except" Allah
"All other gods"

Therefore, it is duality of "concept", and it is "equivalent". . . ie. other GOD.

Refer to my premise
Rules of interpretation

. . .

You say Allah is not god. But dear brother, Allah HIMSELF says that He is a god (ilah).

Yes, because human only understands "God". . .
It is human terms, but it is not conclusive meaning of Allah
The word "God" in the Quran must be subjected to the "interpretation provision" for Allah in Surah Al Ikhlas (refer here Who is Muhammad's Allah)

and the Quran is not a comic book, but have its legal and logical structure (refer below for example)

Do you think the Quran is a "comic book" and without structures, logical premises, interpretation provisions, general rules, exceptions and illustrations etc ?

. . .

4171
...Allah is only One god (Arabic ilahun), be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and the earth; and God is enough as a Caretaker.

RED I believe the "tanween" is stressing on the "attribute" or the "quality" of Allah as "One" . . not Allah as "God". (refer here)

. . .

Do you see it? Do you see the word 'ilah' in the Arabic? Do you see that Allah HIMSELF is saying that he is an 'ilah'? He is saying that he is the one and only 'ilah'. Or will you still not believe God's word?

See what ? You still cannot answer on the issue of "duality of concept" of Godhood, and the inconsistency in its logical premises.

There is no God in the doctrine of Islam

No (&#1575 God (&#1614 Only (&#1575 Allah (&#1615

No God Only Allah
Therefore, Allah is not God, because the first premise is "No God"
If Allah is God, then it will nullify the first premise of "No God".

And it cannot be "except Allah" or "but Allah" because it will also nullify the first premise of "No God".
It is "duality", Shirk.

Therefore, it is "Only Allah", and it corroborates with Chapter 112, Allah is One, Absolute, none like Allah, and not beget/begotten.
and the Quran says

no one knows its interpretation (3.7) (ie. the nature of Allah, meaning it is not God)

this means, "no one knows its interpretation". .
and it does not means someone will knows its interpretation.

This primary message negated and nullified the concept of Godhood altogether.

(further reading Muhammad's Allah)

muslims

There is clearly no equivalent to God and it is not difficult to understand, is it?

Please give reason, premises, and assumptions to support your conclusion. You are just insisting and repeating what you said from the start.

. . .

Secondly, it is equivalent, and it is "duality". . . other religion also claiming the capital "G" is referring to their "God". They are saying Allah is with lower case "god", the same way you are claiming to their gods. The following is a list of "God" names worshiped by human beings.

"G"od" or "g"od"

Allah is equivalent to... ?
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"G"od / "G"oddess = Agdistis
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ah Puch
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ahura Mazda
"G"od / "G"oddess = Alberich
"G"od = Allah
"G"od / "G"oddess = Amaterasu
"G"od / "G"oddess = An
"G"od / "G"oddess = Anahita
"G"od / "G"oddess = Anansi
"G"od / "G"oddess = Anat
"G"od / "G"oddess = Andvari
"G"od / "G"oddess = Anshar
"G"od / "G"oddess = Anu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Aphrodite
"G"od / "G"oddess = Apollo
"G"od / "G"oddess = Apsu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ares
"G"od / "G"oddess = Artemis
"G"od / "G"oddess = Asclepius
"G"od / "G"oddess = Athena
"G"od / "G"oddess = Athirat
"G"od / "G"oddess = Athtart
"G"od / "G"oddess = Atlas
"G"od / "G"oddess = Baal
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ba Xian
"G"od / "G"oddess = Bacchus
"G"od / "G"oddess = Balder
"G"od / "G"oddess = Bast
"G"od / "G"oddess = Bellona
"G"od / "G"oddess = Bergelmir
"G"od / "G"oddess = Bes
"G"od / "G"oddess = Bixia Yuanjin
"G"od / "G"oddess = Bragi
"G"od / "G"oddess = Brahma
"G"od / "G"oddess = Brigit
"G"od / "G"oddess = Camaxtli
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ceres
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ceridwen
"G"od / "G"oddess = Cernunnos
"G"od / "G"oddess = Chac
"G"od / "G"oddess = Chalchiuhtlicue
"G"od / "G"oddess = Chang Hsi See Heng-O.
"G"od / "G"oddess = Charun
"G"od / "G"oddess = Chemosh
"G"od / "G"oddess = Cheng-huang
"G"od / "G"oddess = Cybele
"G"od / "G"oddess = Dagon
"G"od / "G"oddess = Damkina (Dumkina)
"G"od / "G"oddess = Davlin
"G"od / "G"oddess = Dawn
"G"od / "G"oddess = Demeter
"G"od / "G"oddess = Diana
"G"od / "G"oddess = Di Cang
"G"od / "G"oddess = Dionysus
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ea
"G"od / "G"oddess = El
"G"od / "G"oddess = Enki
"G"od / "G"oddess = Enlil
"G"od / "G"oddess = Eos
"G"od / "G"oddess = Epona
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ereskigal
"G"od / "G"oddess = Farbauti
"G"od / "G"oddess = Fenrir
"G"od / "G"oddess = Forseti
"G"od / "G"oddess = Fortuna
"G"od / "G"oddess = Freya
"G"od / "G"oddess = Freyr
"G"od / "G"oddess = Frigg
"G"od / "G"oddess = Gaia
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ganesha
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ganga
"G"od / "G"oddess = Garuda
"G"od / "G"oddess = Gauri
"G"od / "G"oddess = Geb
"G"od / "G"oddess = Geong Si
"G"od / "G"oddess = Guanyin
"G"od / "G"oddess = Hades
"G"od / "G"oddess = Hanuman
"G"od / "G"oddess = Hathor
"G"od / "G"oddess = Hecate
"G"od / "G"oddess = Helios
"G"od / "G"oddess = Heng-o
"G"od / "G"oddess = Hephaestus
"G"od / "G"oddess = Hera
"G"od / "G"oddess = Hermes
"G"od / "G"oddess = Hestia
"G"od / "G"oddess = Hod
"G"od / "G"oddess = Hoderi
"G"od / "G"oddess = Hoori
"G"od / "G"oddess = Horus
"G"od / "G"oddess = Hotei
"G"od / "G"oddess = Huitzilopochtli
"G"od / "G"oddess = Hsi-Wang-Mu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Hygeia
"G"od / "G"oddess = Inanna
"G"od / "G"oddess = Inti
"G"od / "G"oddess = Iris
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ishtar
"G"od / "G"oddess = Isis
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ixtab
"G"od / "G"oddess = Izanaki
"G"od / "G"oddess = Izanami
"G"od / "G"oddess = Janus
"G"od / "G"oddess = Jesus
"G"od / "G"oddess = Juno
"G"od / "G"oddess = Jupiter
"G"od / "G"oddess = Juturna
"G"od / "G"oddess = Kagutsuchi
"G"od / "G"oddess = Kartikeya
"G"od / "G"oddess = Khepri
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ki
"G"od / "G"oddess = Kingu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Kinich Ahau
"G"od / "G"oddess = Kishar
"G"od / "G"oddess = Krishna
"G"od / "G"oddess = Kuan-yin
"G"od / "G"oddess = Kukulcan
"G"od / "G"oddess = Kvasir
"G"od / "G"oddess = Lakshmi
"G"od / "G"oddess = Leto
"G"od / "G"oddess = Liza
"G"od / "G"oddess = Loki
"G"od / "G"oddess = Lugh
"G"od / "G"oddess = Luna
"G"od / "G"oddess = Magna Mater
"G"od / "G"oddess = Maia
"G"od / "G"oddess = Marduk
"G"od / "G"oddess = Mars
"G"od / "G"oddess = Mazu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Medb
"G"od / "G"oddess = Mercury
"G"od / "G"oddess = Mimir
"G"od / "G"oddess = Min
"G"od / "G"oddess = Minerva
"G"od / "G"oddess = Mithras
"G"od / "G"oddess = Morrigan
"G"od / "G"oddess = Mot
"G"od / "G"oddess = Mummu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Muses
"G"od / "G"oddess = Nammu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Nanna
"G"od / "G"oddess = Nanna (Norse)
"G"od / "G"oddess = Nanse
"G"od / "G"oddess = Neith
"G"od / "G"oddess = Nemesis
"G"od / "G"oddess = Nephthys
"G"od / "G"oddess = Neptune
"G"od / "G"oddess = Nergal
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ninazu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ninhurzag
"G"od / "G"oddess = Nintu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ninurta
"G"od / "G"oddess = Njord
"G"od / "G"oddess = Nugua
"G"od / "G"oddess = Nut
"G"od / "G"oddess = Odin
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ohkuninushi
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ohyamatsumi
"G"od / "G"oddess = Orgelmir
"G"od / "G"oddess = Osiris
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ostara
"G"od / "G"oddess = Pan
"G"od / "G"oddess = Parvati
"G"od / "G"oddess = Phaethon
"G"od / "G"oddess = Phoebe
"G"od / "G"oddess = Phoebus Apollo
"G"od / "G"oddess = Pilumnus
"G"od / "G"oddess = Poseidon
"G"od / "G"oddess = Quetzalcoatl
"G"od / "G"oddess = Rama
"G"od / "G"oddess = Re
"G"od / "G"oddess = Rhea
"G"od / "G"oddess = Sabazius
"G"od / "G"oddess = Sarapis
"G"od / "G"oddess = Sarasvati
"G"od / "G"oddess = Selene
"G"od / "G"oddess = Shiva
"G"od / "G"oddess = Seshat
"G"od / "G"oddess = Seti (Set)
"G"od / "G"oddess = Shamash
"G"od / "G"oddess = Shapsu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Shen Yi
"G"od / "G"oddess = Shiva
"G"od / "G"oddess = Shu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Si-Wang-Mu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Sin
"G"od / "G"oddess = Sirona
"G"od / "G"oddess = Sol
"G"od / "G"oddess = Surya
"G"od / "G"oddess = Susanoh
"G"od / "G"oddess = Tawaret
"G"od / "G"oddess = Tefnut
"G"od / "G"oddess = Tezcatlipoca
"G"od / "G"oddess = Thanatos
"G"od / "G"oddess = Thor
"G"od / "G"oddess = Thoth
"G"od / "G"oddess = Tiamat
"G"od / "G"oddess = Tianhou
"G"od / "G"oddess = Tlaloc
"G"od / "G"oddess = Tonatiuh
"G"od / "G"oddess = Toyo-Uke-Bime
"G"od / "G"oddess = Tyche
"G"od / "G"oddess = Tyr
"G"od / "G"oddess = Utu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ullr
"G"od / "G"oddess = Uzume
"G"od / "G"oddess = Vediovis
"G"od / "G"oddess = Venus
"G"od / "G"oddess = Vesta
"G"od / "G"oddess = Vishnu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Volturnus
"G"od / "G"oddess = Vulcan
"G"od / "G"oddess = Xipe
"G"od / "G"oddess = Xi Wang-mu
"G"od / "G"oddess = Xochipilli
"G"od / "G"oddess = Xochiquetzal
"G"od / "G"oddess = Yam
"G"od / "G"oddess = Yarikh
"G"od / "G"oddess = Yhwh
"G"od / "G"oddess = Ymir
"G"od / "G"oddess = Yu-huang
"G"od / "G"oddess = Yum Kimil

. . .

Whereas, the premise said "none is equivalent", of "matter, concept or ideas" . . .

NOR is there to Him ANY EQUIVALENT (112.4)

"No duality of matter or concept etc about Allah" (ie. shirk, though some is forgiven) . . .

Try disapprove that statement with "all true premises" and "proper structure of argument"
and as you said, make it clear and simple.

whose ytuhu ( ) have been made firm

. . .

and the rules of interpretation . . .

Therefore, how do you explain this "equivalent" of "matter and concept" with Allah ?

Here is the rule for correct interpretation

Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? <-- is referring to the interpretation
If it was from any other than God <-- wrong interpretation
they would have found in it many a discrepancy. <-- if there is discrepancy, it is not the correct interpretation
482

Please answer this issue without using fallacy.

muslims

Wise decision!!!

Yes, for those who speak nonsense.

muslims

No (&#1575 god (&#1614 Only (&#1575 Allah (&#1615

No god (0) only Allah (1)
Say He, Allah, is One (112.1)

ISSUE Whether the shahada means "No God Only Allah" or "No God Except/But Allah"?

"No God Only Allah"
means, no God. . only Allah exists and Allah is not God. (no duality of concept)

"No God Except/But Allah"
means Allah is the One and only God, among other gods. (duality of concept)

Explanation

I'm referring to the notes on the "La" and "illa" (refer here)

For example on the use of "La" and "illa" , ie. the Arabic statement

La rajulun illa Ali can be translated literally as
?There is no real man except/but Ali?
or ?There is no man like Ali?
or ?Among the men none are Ali?s alike?

note that all of these statements denote there are in fact other men (duality, Ali and other men), but they are not like Ali (who is also a man and can be compared or made equivalent to other men).

However, when the word illa is used in conjunction with the word ALLAH
it does not mean ?a god like Allah?
that is, it should not be understood as
?there other gods, but none are like Allah? (duality, Allah and other God(s))
as the very meaning denoted by the word ALLAH
invalidates this supposition from the onset

Just as the auxiliary verb was (khaane)
when used in conjunction with Allah
loses its general meaning and is taken as the present simple tense
when the word except (illa) appears next to the word Allah
it also loses its general connotation and is taken to mean only.

Here is an example

KhaanALLAhu gafurur rahiyma

cannot be translated as ?Allah was Ghafur and Rahim?
as the qualities denoted by the Names of Allah cannot be subject to time
they are ever present and ever effective

Similarly, illa Allah cannot mean except (duality) Allah
which denotes the existence of others (duality)
but must be understood as only Allah!
The qualities of the One to which the word Allah refers
does not accept the existence of another
especially that beside itself

Hence, khaane, illa and all other expressions that denote time and (other) existence
must be construed appropriate to the meaning of Allah
when used in conjunction with it
Otherwise, it will inevitably result in the conception of a god beyond!

Now examining the Word of Unity

There is no God, there is only Allah in light of this consideration

the first message that we are given is There is no god
Only after this definite denunciation we are told ILLA ALLAH

As explained above
because the word illa is used besides the word Allah
(usage of "La" and usage of "illa" is not on men or objects)
the only correct construal of this statement can be ONLY ALLAH
as opposed to
except Allah
or
but Allah
for there is no other being in existence
to which Allah can be compared to
or excluded from!

Therefore, the correct translation is

?There is no god, only Allah"

and it means Allah is not God. . "God" is for human terms and understanding, and must be subjected to the interpretation provision in Surah Al-Ikhlas.

There is the "law of cause and effect"

God/god or deity is the "effect"

The "cause" is human "desires". . .

From these "desires", they create religions, kill etc. . .

Therefore, I believe . . .

God/god = Human Desires . . .

No God = No Desires (ie. which inconsistent with the Quran)

God is desire, God is dreams. . .

Have you seen the one who takes as his god his own desire?
Then would you be responsible for him?
25.43

and our journey is. . .

and our journey is to become "NO GOD" (0), voluntarily or by compulsion. . .

http//s9.postimg.org/4t3bkmt5r/twohearts.png

From "No God" (0) (before life)
To "I am God" (1) (human desires)
To No God (0) (death)

Jane

Peace all,

Muslims, sorry but I think you have gone too far now - telling people they shouldn't be posting like you did to Javalatte is really not on. You don't own the thread, man.

It is over 100 replies and appears to be just going in circles. Maybe some of you have replied to my input earlier but forgive me but I don't want to read back through 50 replies or so to find it. We all have our own experience of the God/Allah/the One etc and I think we are better for that.

I suggest the thread is closed and if muslims wishes to continue with his mission then he does it on his own website.

Peace out.

peace

muslims

Read again from here, I'm entertaining her GODS

She want to feel superior , so I let her feel superior. . . her ego, and that's what she wants.

It is her GODS (relating to this thread, the meaning of "I AM GOD", ie. ego). . .

I have "NO GOD", only reasoning. . . just or unjust.

So you have judge me

To be the hell nation
Allah is always on your side, and you know what Allah wishes.
You manipulate what I said, and pretending that I'm wrong.
Now you want to judge me as a Kafir.

Is that your wishes ?

Fine. . I'm a Kafir. . . does that make you feel better and superior to other human beings ? laugh

and her GODS are not satisfying , even after I admit to her that. . .

No. . I am Satan. I created myself. . you feel better and superior ? rotfl

nope, not enough. . her GODS wants more!

. . .

and this is my conclusion, from answering her questions, and with the sole purpose to make her feel superior to others . . . .

and thank you . . . you have given an example of those who committed Shrik just to prove they are better and superior to others, it is ego gratification and that are based on injustice. . peace

This is the meaning of "I am God". . . it is ourselves.

. . .

and this is the verse to support the above contention. . .

so he said to his companion, while he disputed with him

I have greater wealth than you, and am mightier in followers <- Shirk? This is what most people
would say. Greater wealth,
And he entered his garden knowledge, skills, family etc.
while he was unjust to himself, He said
I do not think that this will ever perish <- same as here, other people will be in Hell but not me
And I do not think the hour will come
and even if I am returned to my Lord
I will most certainly find a returning place better than this

His companion said to him while disputing with him

Do you disbelieve in Him <- Shirk? ie. "...I have greater..."
Who created you from dust
then from a small seed
then He made you a perfect man?

But as for me
He, Allah, is my Lord
and I do not associate anyone with my Lord <- Who is "anyone" in this story context? Self?

Yes, it is "shirk" and simply because "I have greater". . .

It is Shrik of Self and Allah. . .Self is GOD, ie. ego. . .that is the meaning of "I AM GOD".

God is desire, God is dreams. . .

Have you seen the one who takes as his god his own desire?
Then would you be responsible for him?
25.43

Have you seen he who has taken as his god his desire
and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge
and has set a seal upon his hearing
and his heart and put over his vision a veil?
So who will guide him after Allah ?
Then will you not be reminded?
45.23

our desire is us. . we. . I. . . as GOD

Desire = I
Ego = I

Therefore

I = GOD (I AM GOD)

and Allah says, "NO GOD"!

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4)

Sonny

I see only 'ego wars' here, this topic should be renamed to 'I am Satan'

muslims

AND may can be one of them, unless they can bring some "conclusion, premises and assumptions" so that it is based on "truth discovery", it is based on "facts", and not on "ego".

p.s. ego wars need two sides, and there are no two sides because only one party is struggling with her ego. . while the other party still focusing on the issue of this thread.

unknownuser

Peace

@ Jane, forgive me if I sounded like I was bashing you, I wasn't, and never was my intention. I ofcourse, could have said, "I disagree with you", but I thought better to explain. My reply was not to put you down, we are free to believe as we please I do not believe that The God is some spirit/ghostly like being up in the sky, no, but for all we know it can be can it not?, the fact is we know very little about God, what we do know is from the Quran, and that's what I use as a knowledge base, every attribute derived from and consistent with all verses of the Quran.

"muslims" keeps claiming logic this and logic that, and then fails to make any sort of sense and lacks any coherence or sound reasoning. The Quran, as it states itself has metaphors and allegories. For those who know Arabic they know that it is very poem like in nature that expresses very real and pinpoint accurate facts. You can't assume that any of the Quran's words is a boolean number that can be used as a subject of discrete mathematics. It is beyond nonsense to even try something of the sort.

@JavaLette, I think "muslims" is the one with the ego problem here, afterall he thinks he's god. So I'd say leave him to wait, and with him all of us are willingly or unwillingly waiting for the end which is surer than tomorrow itself. Then we shall know who was right and who was in error. The God will communicate to us as promised.

Post # 95 and #99@ Man of Faith and Scribbler, completely agree with you brothers, exactly what I thought when I read through the very first post.

@Sonny, I am afraid that would be appropriate.

muslims

"muslims" keeps claiming logic this and logic that, and then fails to make any sort of sense and lacks any coherence or sound reasoning. The Quran, as it states itself has metaphors and allegories. For those who know Arabic they know that it is very poem like in nature that expresses very real and pinpoint accurate facts. You can't assume that any of the Quran's words is a boolean number that can be used as a subject of discrete mathematics. It is beyond nonsense to even try something of the sort.

The Quran is not a poem like

6941 It is not the utterance of a poet; rarely do you believe.

The Quran have its logical structure and it is not a Comic Book (refer here)

ALR, a Book
whose ytuhu ( ) have been made firm
then detailed
from One who is Wise, Expert
11.1

I don't assume to boolean number, it is just a description since verse 112.1 said Allah is "One"
Of course, I'm appealing to logic . . the "ytuhu ( ) in the Quran have been made firm" and without logic, there is no Islam.

Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah
are the deaf
and dumb
who do not use reason
8.22

Therefore, I take note on any discrepancies in the interpretation because the Quran says any inconsistent interpretation is not from Allah.

Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? <-- is referring to the interpretation
If it was from any other than God <-- wrong interpretation
they would have found in it many a discrepancy. <-- if there is discrepancy, it is not the correct interpretation
482

. . .

@JavaLette, I think "muslims" is the one with the ego problem here, afterall he thinks he's god.

Sure, the one who curse people to be the nation of Hell and think they are the only Muslim have no ego at all.

afterall he thinks he's god.

Yes, I AM GOD. . because sometimes I still have inconsistent desires, grievances and have fears of something.

God is desire, God is dreams. . .

Have you seen the one who takes as his god his own desire?
Then would you be responsible for him?
25.43

our desire is us. . we. . I. . . as GOD

Desire = I
Ego = I

Therefore

I = GOD (I AM GOD)

and Allah says, "NO GOD"!

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4)

. . .

So I'd say leave him to wait, and with him all of us are willingly or unwillingly waiting for the end which is surer than tomorrow itself. Then we shall know who was right and who was in error. The God will communicate to us as promised.

See ? Nonsense and egoistic speaking. . . God only promises to you, and as if you know everything about Allah
and I'm sure people like you will always speak nonsense and appeal to hell, resurrection day, fire, satan and all the irrational thinking etc
so that you can keep people?s minds from thinking and employs fear and violence to prevent truth
so that you can easily declare those who don't agree with you as people of the Hell Fire, as if you are the Son of Allah or something.

The Pharaoh Personality A parable for all times

By the way, you still did not answer this issue. (refer here)

Scribbler

Muslims,

The Quran says a hundred times not to take any 'ilah'. If you do, then you would be commiting shirk. But you are openly admitting that you have taken yourself as an 'ilah'. So are you not a mushrik?

unknownuser

Peace,

I am sorry muslims, but arguing with you is like trying to filter flour. There is clearly a huge communication problem, and you don't seem to comprehend anything that we are trying to convey. You have again plucked out whatever you please from a sentence, (this time mine) and had a go at it without realizing what you are saying and once again your response I think, clearly shows that you have not grasped what the Quran means by "it is not the utterance of a poet, rarely do you believe".

Indeed the Quran is not a poem (poems are usually fictions - I.e. made up stuff). But the fact is that the Quran is poetry "like" in sound and reading. That is why the Quran's diselieving audience thought of prophet Muhammad as a "poet" and a story teller, just singing made up stories - something that the Quran denies.

As for the issue, we are on completely different grounds. I do not judge God's book by man made books or statutory laws. This is something sectarians do. So as to why I had not replied, I cannot reply to a non-existent question.

Man_of_Faith

muslims,

Your fancy list of gods does not change anything and you are just parroting the same thing as well without an edge in what you say. There is just one god despite what they call that god. And there is no equivalent to that one god. How would the universe look if there were more than one god, and as in your case, billions of gods or no god as you seem to say. Allah, God, Yaweh, Ahura Mazda etc is just the same entity being served and on top of that there are "sons of God" or imaginary gods with no intention of being disrespectful to those who have faith in them.

And if we follow your premise, then what created you? Did you create yourself? Did the universe come into existence on its own?

There are many fallacies with your arguments.

On the last about interpretation the correct statement is that it is YOUR interpretation. I doubt any sensible person would think the way you do about that piece of language. If you apply your brain into reading the passage you find that it talks about if the recitation was from other than God then it would not hold the same literal quality as it does (original Arabic discourse).

And from what origin is the recitation (Quran) if you would care to clarify that to me using your logic?

Peace

muslims

I am sorry muslims, but arguing with you is like trying to filter flour. There is clearly a huge communication problem, and you don't seem to comprehend anything that we are trying to convey. You have again plucked out whatever you please from a sentence, (this time mine) and had a go at it without realizing what you are saying and once again your response I think, clearly shows that you have not grasped what the Quran means by "it is not the utterance of a poet, rarely do you believe".

Yes, I don't comprehend anything that you are trying to convey since the word "nor" and "equivalent" has negated and nullified the concept of Godhood altogether, any "duality" of "matter and concept". . . and you cannot explain this discrepancy, other than saying bad things about me, and good things about yourself etc.

NOR is there to Him ANY EQUIVALENT (112.4)

"No duality of matter or concept etc about Allah" (ie. shirk, though some is forgiven) . . .

Try disapprove that statement with "all true premises" and "proper structure of argument"
and as you said, make it clear and simple.

. . .

But the fact is that the Quran is poetry "like" in sound and reading. That is why the Quran's diselieving audience thought of prophet Muhammad as a "poet" and a story teller, just singing made up stories - something that the Quran denies.

Because of that you denied the logical structure of the Quran ? You are the only truth to decide what is the Quran ?

. . .

As for the issue, we are on completely different grounds. I do not judge God's book by man made books or statutory laws. This is something sectarians do. So as to why I had not replied, I cannot reply to a non-existent question.

So you don't understand legal and logical structure. . then how can you be so confident everyone else is wrong ?

unknownuser

Peace,

Be God glorified! above having a son. I am innocent from all that you ascribe to me, muslims, The God was never begotten and does not beget as the Quran informs us. But you and I are humans and we do. It is beyond obvious that none of us is God, nor can we be in any sense.

The God is separate from us in all forms of our limited imagination, but it is we who are in constant need of sustenance from The God, be it food, wealth, knowledge, energy, or some thing that is yet a greater need in our thoughts.

muslims

Your fancy list of gods does not change anything and you are just parroting the same thing as well without an edge in what you say. There is just one god despite what they call that god. And there is no equivalent to that one god. How would the universe look if there were more than one god, and as in your case, billions of gods or no god as you seem to say. Allah, God, Yaweh, Ahura Mazda etc is just the same entity being served and on top of that there are "sons of God" or imaginary gods with no intention of being disrespectful to those who have faith in them.

So it is not equivalent because you say so ?

What kind of argument is this ? laugh

The point is they use the same capital "G" to refer to their GOD, and etc. etc. . .

Therefore, do you agree that their "concept of godhood is equivalent" ?

NOR is there to Him ANY EQUIVALENT (112.4)

. . .

And if we follow your premise, then what created you? Did you create yourself? Did the universe come into existence on its own?

Of course Allah , but the Quran says "no one knows" what is Allah. . .and Surah al-Ikhlas says

Say, "He is Allah , One,
Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
112

Question, do you find the word "God" in the above Chapter?

That is the "interpretation provision" for what is Allah, as equal to the Interpretation Act, Interpretation Clause etc. . .

This chapter define the word Allah, since the word "God" in the Quran is for human understandings
Human beings can only understand "God", not Allah on its own. . no one can.
and the word "god" cannot conclusively referring to Allah because it is referring to so many people, self, objects and etc in the Quran.
It is "equivalent" and defeat Surah Al-Ikhlas . . . discrepancy (refer here)

Here is the rule for correct interpretation

Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? <-- is referring to the interpretation
If it was from any other than God <-- wrong interpretation
they would have found in it many a discrepancy. <-- if there is discrepancy, it is not the correct interpretation
482

. . .

There are many fallacies with your arguments.

Prove it. . .

. . .

On the last about interpretation the correct statement is that it is YOUR interpretation. I doubt any sensible person would think the way you do about that piece of language.

It is my interpretation, and so as it is your and others interpretation. .
but can you show that it is not inconsistent with any verses of the Quran ?

. . .

If you apply your brain into reading the passage you find that it talks about if the recitation was from other than God then it would not hold the same literal quality as it does (original Arabic discourse).

Nice, you are the only one applying the brain. .
then why don't you stop repeating and show logical and valid ways how to disapprove my argument. ..

and also, please stop using the argument "It is not equivalent because I say so! "