I am God
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And Hell is, much as Arman wants to convey I think, not exactly a physical reality but a condition of agony since there simply is no physical reality except that what we see as that is actually some raw force which is artificially constructing barriers and visual illusions.
Salamun alaikum.
The rewards and punishments in the afterlife will be more of a ?reality? than the life of the world is. If our Master can create the illusion of physical reality once for the life of this world ? He is perfectly able to repeat the creation once more. That is a promise we received through the messengers upon whom we have faith. The promise of Allah is true, and who is more sincere than Allah in statements?
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman -
Can you please read the books I referenced above and let me know what you think?
Their message is exactly the same as the message you are delivering and I think you will be amazed to discover what they have to say. Those books are quite recent and have finally answered almost all of my unanswered questions about the infinite Creator and the creation, and make perfect sense. Their information resonates with my conscience, reasoning, and real world evidence, and I felt as if the veil/fog was finally lifted and truth was revealed and falsehood was exposed yay
Salam truthseeker11.
While the philosophical underpinning of these ?interesting? documents are quite sound and is consistent with the understanding we find in major religious scriptures ? the emphasis on Egyptian iconography and portrayal of ?Great Pyramid? as some sort of mystically developed physical center to channel the energy of Infinite Creator appeared to me as rather na?ve and phony.
Personally, I am not convinced to take these documents any more seriously than a well written fiction with a good and interesting conceptualization of the relationship between us and our Infinite Creator ? God/Allah.
Per my humble understanding a good understanding of God is only a journey. Some of us are a few step ahead of others in terms of having a better workable understanding - but an accurate understanding is WAY BEYOND human capacity. The strength of faith - is not about who understands God better - strength of faith is about who accepts the responsibility towards God most sincerely.
True enlightment is not in knowledge which empowers, true enlightment is in wisdom which drives one into action. YES, clarifying and facilitating a better conceptualization of God has often been the part of the mission of the messengers, but that has always been a supporting role - the main role was always to call people towards goodness and prohibit from evil.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman -
Salaam Arman,
Indeed the "afterlife" is the true nature of the Sustainer, but it will not be as limited as our present illusion seems like. No confinement to physical bodies or time and space. It will be seeming more as according to how we would like it when we want it. Not everyone has the same taste too. If we like a physical projection then that may be gotten, but it is not the foundation of that which we will be able to perceive. The lesson begins already in this life about spirituality. The world is more than our eyes can see.
If we could see the truth with our senses many would probably make a "face palm" and realize how it was so obvious.
We will have the same precepts as those we usually call angels today, who likely have passed some kind of test previously.
Salaam
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The construction of such pyramids and shafts to make the sun beam touch a spot is simply based on Paganism and reverence of the sun to be held as an object/image of a god.
It is quite known that the sun was held as a specific god in the past. The "Sunday" is a sign of that. Its beams were seen as energy from the god and obviously the population and clergy saw that when the sun was merciless then it had to be pleased to show mercy, just like Allah needs to be pleased in the Pagan religion Islam unless it will show its wrath except that all gods are combined into one big instead although kept under the same kind of reverence as the older multiple ones.
Both concepts are wrong. Paganism is simply becoming more sophisticated except still under the same fallacy. The first issue is the separation of an image which is a distortion of the second line of the list of Commandments given to Moses since the Sustainer is calling towards a merging with its image rather than Pagan worship without any assimilation and belonging or flawed logic on belonging.
Salaam
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Seems like the Quran isn't being read correctly.
Our reality is real. It's physical. The hereafter is in the same reality, it's physical too. There will be no new reality which is spiritual or of some other kind of thing.
Before we were created the angels and Jinn existed in this reality. We were created from the earth. To the earth we return when we die. On the day we are all resurrected we will come from the earth with new bodies. These bodies will be made from the earth. Those who are unfortunate to go to hell will have bodies. When their skins are burnt new skin will replace it. They will eat and drink bad things. They will speak, sob, sigh.
Those who are blessed and make it to heaven will have similar things as to what they had on earth. They will wear clothes and jewellery. They will eat and drink similar things as to what they did on earth. They will have mansions and beautiful companions. They will see God - not join with him. Some will be able to see those in the hell fire and maybe speak to them. They will see their state and be grateful to God.
That's how it describes it in the Quran. I don't see why people are distorting the Quran to create a "spiritual" hereafter.
Just because we have physical bodies made of the earth and will also have the same in the hereafter does not in anyway limit or diminish what the hereafter will be like. The hereafter will be beautiful, it's inhabitants will live forever, they will never fall ill, etc. This is easy for God to do. He could have made us from iron or stone or even light or smokeless fire. These things are just physical elements/things of the reality we have been brought into. This reality will exist for however long God wills - it will not change in the hereafter.
Also the angels are made of light in this reality and they will continue to exist as light in the hereafter. There will be no change in them.
God has created us from nothing. What we see in this life is both a similitude of the hereafter and also somewhere where we can learn and get to know about God.
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Ted,
You contradict yourself. You said that we are created from nothing and also that we are of earth and physical. The first you said is the most true, i.e. that we are made of nothing even if still untrue, because we are made of the spirit of Allah. Energy is a human term, but it may be used allegorically. The energy that is Allah.
You will be able to "see" Allah just as you can see Allah today if you are perceptive, but Allah will never have any particular form. Allah is all that which you can see so you can see existence is Allah.
And angels are not made of light. The light is a consequence of their ethereal form which radiates and that they are spirits (or that energy which Allah shapes solid illusive matter from). Angels are thus not made from any matter because they are not bound to the illusive world (by the way nothing can be made of light because it is a result of something).
Mansions or whatever you speak of, you may have it if you like, but it will hardly be necessary in afterlife because you will lack the limitations of this world.
And I think you have missed important details from the traditional interpretation. The Earth will be ripped apart and will be destroyed and people will be let into Paradise. If Earth is destroyed then it is contradictory that people are resurrected from their graves in a destroyed world, because they will have a problem wandering from there to Paradise as in traditional interpretation they walk to the gates of Paradise very literally. Many traditional interpretations also say the world is an illusion.
Please realize that the traditional interpretation is useless, garbage and just very imaginative. Someone or some people just tried to fit a religious ideal into an innocent text.
I am not distorting Quran. The Hereafter is a spiritual realm, for those who were not absorbed in the flesh. They will be like angels. Those who did not leave the flesh they will be give more of it on the other hand.
There is a non-material reality beyond this world and the true existence is not materialized. The angels are not bound to laws of physics because they are spirits unbound to an (illusive) physical being.
The purpose for you is to become merged with the phenomenon called Allah and not treat Allah separately because Allah is not separate from you but you will exist in Allah. There are errors which you propose and part of a Pagan visualization and errors in interpretation. The truth is very much like how Jesus speaks of in the Biblical Gospels. Quran speaks of the same but is distorted in interpretation for what you accuse me of doing. Opposite of distorting it I am actually giving you a more rightful interpretation.
Moses taught the same about assimilation in Allah, Jesus spoke about assimilation in Allah and then suddenly someone comes with a Pagan version of the faith? No, it is error and misconception. It is still the prime purpose such as "Be in the Creator and the Creator in you" which is the message.
Salaam
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There are errors which you propose and part of a Pagan visualization and errors in interpretation.
"Be in the Creator and the Creator in you" which is the message.
First of all you don't really understand paganism.
Secondly, "Be in the Creator and the Creator in you" is something you have just made up. It is not in the Quran. If that was the message God would have simply said it in the Quran.
The world is not an illusion. It is real. The world in it's current form is temporary. This is not the same as being an illusion. The life of this world is temporary, the life of the hereafter is eternal. It is not an illusion. World and life are 2 separate things.
World is physical, life is spiritual/of the soul.
The earth will not be destroyed. It will be changed. Mountains will turn to dust, the earth will be cleaned and made flat. We will be resurrected from it and be standing on it.
Our souls came from nothing (it wasn't extracted from God in my opinion). Our bodies come from the earth, to the earth it returns and from the earth it will be brought out again. Hope that clears it up.
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First yes. I understand Paganism clearly. The visualization of an image is Paganism when it is separate from the consciousness of Allah.
Second, it is in Quran, "la Elah ila Allah" is the Arabic equivalent to "I am in the Creator and the Creator is in me"
And no, the world is not real. It is an illusion or virtual reality. Even traditional interpretations can testify to that. If you think Jannat is on Earth you are clearly wrong. However, Gehenna is more like being doomed to persist in the flesh. Your aim is to be released from the flesh and not stay in it. You are led into disaster with your thinking I am afraid.
Our souls are only for real if they exist in the Creator or otherwise they shall succumb to the same world they let themselves be absorbed in. There is only one existence and that is in Allah or otherwise it is in the flesh.
I am saying that your mind is what is you and your beast body, which you either control or let it control your mind, is only a temporary expression from the Holy Spirit and not permanent.
Salaam