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I am God

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    muslims
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    I believe there is nothing in the Quran can be used to conclusively interpret Allah, no one knows about Allah

    It can only be used to interpret the Deen and ourselves etc. . . ie. creations

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      Jane
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      Apparently this guy knows how to experience Allah/Yahweh/God/awareness/the Master/our higher selves/the One.

      http//www.deida.info/books/finding-god-through-sex

      Have not tried it though, lol.

      From the description on the site

      "...Deida brings wisdom gained from 30 years of work with thousands of couples to illustrate the distinct yet complementary avenues men and women can skillfully travel toward untamed passion and sacred unity. What unfolds is an unparalleled roadmap to the place where we love as the cosmos loves One loving itself as an other, yet remembering itself as One.

      Ta dah!

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        muslims
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        Maybe that is the origin of religion , finding God. laugh

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          JavaLatte
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          Human bodies are creations yes,

          http//2.bp.blogspot.com/-DmpDnnNLJ9A/U2zoZf8lyyI/AAAAAAAAHVI/Z_4P3QTQZng/s1600/downwards-arrow.png http//2.bp.blogspot.com/-DmpDnnNLJ9A/U2zoZf8lyyI/AAAAAAAAHVI/Z_4P3QTQZng/s1600/downwards-arrow.png http//2.bp.blogspot.com/-DmpDnnNLJ9A/U2zoZf8lyyI/AAAAAAAAHVI/Z_4P3QTQZng/s1600/downwards-arrow.png

          There is no creation and there was never a point that anything 'came' into existence.

          ? ? ? ? ? ?

          Btw, are you and "Rachel84" is the same person?

          Peace.

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            muslims
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            Sometimes I wonder whether all the words is correctly translated as "god" and so that they can make Islam as a "religion" (&#1576

            Alif-Lam-ha = to serve, worship or adore; to protect, grant refuge, preserve save, rescue, liberate; object of worship ie God; (Alif-Lam-Lam-ha) God, the one true God applied as a proper name denoting the true god, comprising all the excellent divine names; a unity comprising all the essences of existing things.

            Lane's Lexicon, Volume 1, pages 119- 120

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              muslims
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              ? ? ? ? ? ?

              This is interesting and the issue is there are creations, but no one can prove existence. . .

              and yes, existence and reality always exist, but can you prove it exist ?

              refer here http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y

              Therefore, we know nothing about existence, and this corroborates with the facts that there is "No God" (0). .

              not about us. . but about our "sense perception", deaf, dumb and blind. . .

              Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return. (2.1

              and we don't realize the reality because "I am God" (1)

              Being living in our dreams/nightmares, and being blinded by our own spotlights. .

              . . .

              Whether sunlight existed ?

              https//encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnANd9GcQR18cHEgb33sFDTkOC19PasfYjIuLU9agXQRaz_tdem9e0sqZk

              Or it is the sun ?

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                JavaLatte
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                "Muslims", you also ever post contradictory statements on another thread.

                In fact, between you and "Jane" is not really aligned on this issue.

                To me, you're both just agreed in the statement (sentence) which is the title of this thread.

                Peace.

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                  "Muslims", you also ever post contradictory statements on another thread.

                  Can you quote my contradictory statement ?

                  or perhaps . . . you misunderstood it ?

                  In fact, between you and "Jane" is not really aligned on this issue.

                  To me, you're both just agreed in the statement (sentence) which is the title of this thread.

                  Yes, I think we both agreed that it is "nonsense" to claim anything about Allah

                  Allah this, Allah that, Allah this, Allah that. . bla. . . bla. . . bla. . . bla. . . "nonsense"

                  Awareness of what? All that is. Which is what? Awareness. Which part does God fit into then?

                  and further, that's the point, no one knows about Allah. . . and no can claim knowing what Allah feels about them.

                  it is evidence based, if you are a believer. . prove it
                  prove that you obey all the commands and make use your sense perception and achieve something to benefit the humanity.
                  simple living and no nonsense. . .

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                    Jane
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                    Yes 'Rachel84' was one of my old usernames.

                    I do not agree with muslims on everything but I think he is right about 'Allah' not being understood correctly by most people, maybe by anyone? but I think we are having a shot at it at least...

                    'Humans are created...there is no creation'

                    Yeah that sounds contradictory...Erm what I was trying to say was yes humans are created as in our physical bodies have come from our parents, grown bigger through nourishment etc. But that the 'creation story' i.e. that first there was nothing and then there was the universe, the 'big bang' theory etc I do not think is true. First there was nothing and then there was something - huh? Physics tells us that energy cannot be created or destroyed, everything is infinity. So it is like, going round in a circle. Unless we have the belief that 'nothing' is also a facet of 'awareness' which is also a way of understanding God. Whatever - my head is hurting so much now!

                    I like this

                    http//blogs.blueletterbible.org/blb/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2011/08/selfexistent.jpg

                    Peace.

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                      JavaLatte
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                      Can you quote my contradictory statement ?

                      http//2.bp.blogspot.com/-DmpDnnNLJ9A/U2zoZf8lyyI/AAAAAAAAHVI/Z_4P3QTQZng/s1600/downwards-arrow.png http//2.bp.blogspot.com/-DmpDnnNLJ9A/U2zoZf8lyyI/AAAAAAAAHVI/Z_4P3QTQZng/s1600/downwards-arrow.png http//2.bp.blogspot.com/-DmpDnnNLJ9A/U2zoZf8lyyI/AAAAAAAAHVI/Z_4P3QTQZng/s1600/downwards-arrow.png

                      I believe that the actual word means "Contravener" ,

                      or we could say that it is more accurate to say it is. . .

                      It is not "Disbeliever", "Rejecter", "Denier", or even "Opposition"

                      On the above post, you said that

                      I believe that the actual word means "Contravener",

                      You also said that

                      It is not "Disbeliever", "Rejecter", "Denier", or even "Opposition"

                      Conclusion from your post ---> "muslims" believe that "Contravener" is not "Disbeliever"

                      However, later on... you said otherwise...

                      Disbeliever = Contravener

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                        JavaLatte
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                        #51

                        Yeah that sounds contradictory...

                        That's not sound, but indeed contradictory statements.

                        Peace.

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                          muslims
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                          However, later on... you said otherwise...

                          Okay, you misunderstood, or careless, or quote mining . . .

                          I was speaking about "Covenant", and the symbol (=) does not infer that I agree the Disbeliever is the Contravener. . .

                          Read the post before it. . .

                          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606576.msg351236#msg351236
                          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606576.msg351237#msg351237

                          I believe no one should use "oppose" if it is related to breach of contract or breach/violation of law and order, it is quite absurd to use that term. Go ask any lawyers, or those with legal backgrounds. . . What terms they used when speaking in court or drafting legal documents? "Oppose" or "in contravention"? . . . Therefore, it is quite absurd to use the term "disbeliever", "rejecter", "denier", "opposition" when it is relating to the violation of law and order in the Quran, when it is relating to "compliance".

                          However and when we used the word "contravene", people will asked contravene what ? Therefore, people will be reminded and the context will be closely related to their Covenant with God, ie. their promises and the terms and conditions of their Covenant in the Quran. All these terms and conditions is referring to Islam, and Muslim are those who obey their promises to God. The non Muslim are those who breach or in contravention of their Covenant. The focus is now on the Quran, on balance and justice . . . and not on belief that cannot be proven through facts. It is about balance, and it is about justice.

                          and then I said (together with the definition of Conformers). . .

                          Disbeliever = Contravener
                          Muslim = Conformer

                          Therefore, the symbol (=) means the Disbeliever should be changed and means Contravener

                          and the word Muslim, should be changed and means Conformer

                          because it is about breach of covenant with Allah . . .

                          So, where is the contradiction ?

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                            JavaLatte
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                            Okay, you misunderstood, or careless, or quote mining . . .

                            NO.

                            The symbol (=) does not infer that I agree the Disbeliever is the Contravener. . .

                            Oh really?? ..... perhaps what you need is this "".

                            Peace.

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                              muslims
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                              It is up to you. . . the facts and context are very clear and you can keep pretending to yourself. laugh

                              . . .

                              Oh really?? ..... perhaps what you need is this "".

                              Huh ? What does that suppose to mean with my explanation ?

                              Disbeliever Contravener
                              Muslim Conformer

                              Everyone knows the words is not the same. . .so does it means it should not be changed to Contravener and Conformer? rotfl

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                                JavaLatte
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                                Everyone knows the words is not the same. . .so does it means it should not be changed to Contravener and Conformer? rotfl

                                Yeah... perhaps you can also try to LOL at yourself in the hereafter.

                                I'm glad that you are not God.

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                                  muslims
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                                  I see, you already know I'll will be in Hell . . as you wish, and no problem, I'll be very glad to live in Hell!! laugh

                                  p.s. please study logic.

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                                    JavaLatte
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                                    I see, you already know I'll will be in Hell . . as you wish, and no problem, I love living in Hell!! laugh

                                    You love living in Hell. OK, no problem for me. We shall see then...

                                    So, I'll quote your statement. Perhaps I need to check it again later if you already get there.

                                    p.s. please study logic.

                                    Bold You need that.

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                                      muslims
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                                      You love living in Hell. OK, no problem for me. We shall see then...

                                      I think you stuck with that same level of faith of 5-10 years old kids

                                      Islam 101. . . hell, paradise, angels, satan, fire, lightening . bla. bla. etc . .

                                      it is your main motivation for obeying Allah. . the same level of faith when you are a kid. laugh

                                      Bold You need that.

                                      That's explain a lot.

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                                        JavaLatte
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                                        I think you stuck with that same level of faith of 5-10 years old kids

                                        Islam 101. . . hell, paradise, angels, fire, lightening . bla. bla. etc . .

                                        it is your main motivation for obeying Allah. . the same level of faith when you are a kid. laugh

                                        See? That's explain a lot.

                                        What you said also explain about yourself.

                                        And, your brainless opinion about me is worthless.

                                        For me, it's better to die as a kid than to die as someone like you.

                                        I don't want to be a person with the belief (whatever it is) you have.

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                                          muslims
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                                          For me, it's better to die as a kid than to die as someone like you.

                                          Yeah, a kid who are stuck in a grown up human body
                                          Then. . a kid who are stuck in an old woman. . . very sad.

                                          So. tell me. . what will you you have in Paradise ? Chocolate ? laugh

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