Bakka/Mecca
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Salaam Runninglike...
I am not interested in your conjetures about me at all, so if you can spare them so much the better because once I see where you are going I do not read further.
I requested you some things very specific, if you are not able to bring that, so that is it. Generalisations that you make over your own OPINIONS are not facts that I can use for gaining any further knowledge and I am not a child to engage in battles about who is right on this or who dares that or what this people have done or not done in this or that field. I am quite aged and independent to judge that for myself and if I think somebody's insight into something is worthwhile I will take the trouble to examine it as thouroughly as I can of my own accord, not because anybody "leads me to the straight path". But you do not bring up any such insight that I can see but rather the usual crap of your woulbe allknowers about this and that which I have outgrown long ago. And bludgeonning me with the horrible threat of been considered a bad girl in whatever snese, leaves me cold.
In general, if you do want people to take your words into account, do not be so patronising. I do not need you to protect me from bad ones who have no knowledge and take me to the straight path and save me from ignorance. If I need a mentor I will choose it myself.
So if you have those things I mentionned to you good, if not, no use preaching to me the things that will make me acceptable to the political correctors because I am under no need to please anybody with my own view of things.
Salaam
Don't falsely accuse me of not answering your question or being incapable of doing so. I gave you two examples one involving the foreign names of messengers known to jews and another example of the import of the aramaic alaha to arab.
In case you have some visual handicap here it is again
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from the Aramaic/Syriac alaha, meaning 'God' or 'the God'.
The final 'a' in the name alaha was originally the definite article
'the' and is regularly dropped when Syriac words and names are
borrowed into Arabic. Middle-eastern Christianity used 'alah' and
'alaha' frequently, and it would have often been heard.But in the Aramaic/Syriac language there are two different 'a' vowels,
one rather like the 'a' in English 'hat' and the other more like the
vowel in 'ought'. In the case of 'alah', the first vowel was like
'hat' and the second like 'ought'. Arabic does not have a vowel like
the one in 'ought', but it seems to have BORROWED this vowel along
with the word 'alah'. If you know Arabic, then you know that the
second vowel in 'allah' is unique; it occurs only in that one word
in Arabic.Another import from Aramaic another doubling of a consonant triggered by the ambiguity of the 'a' vowel. Same phenomenon with "baca". alaha (aram) -> allah (arab) | baca (aramaic) -> bacca (arab)
Besides I already supported this etymology with how these proper nouns are non fully inflected denoting their foreign origin.
Is Yaqub not Jacob? Is Ibrahim not Abraham?
@huruf do you think you have removed the hadith from your faith? If you still are so stubborn to ignore the massive influx of hebrew, aramaic, akkadian even persian words in the Quranic vocabularium you are trying to understand Quran using the language of hadith. Not the language of Quran.
Peace
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Again I want to stress what I'm posting is not an effort to convince anyone. If you don't know where your qibla is, that is not my responsibility. I'm only witness to what qibla some of you have turned on their heels for (2143).
Make no mistake though, everyone of us at some point will be asked about their qibla. The question will not have to be answered to me.
In a sense the false qibla at Mecca confirms Quran to me 2143 We make evident he who follows the messenger from he who turns back on their heels.
The masjid-al-copycat-haram in Mecca is a giant magnet, drawing moths to it like the moon, for those turning on their heels and God makes most evident who is turning.
Peace
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And thus we have made you a just community that you will be
witnesses over the people and the Messenger will be a witness over you. And
We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might
make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on
his heels. And indeed, it is difficult except for those whom Allah has guided.
And never would Allah have caused you to lose your faith. Indeed
Allah is, to the people, Kind and Merciful.Peace runninglikezebras, so what was the qiblah we used to face
and what was the new qiblah?God bless you
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I still argue that a location is not more holy than the soul on-site at any given moment. The concept of physical "focal points" is totally not right.
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And thus we have made you a just community that you will be
witnesses over the people and the Messenger will be a witness over you. And
We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might
make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on
his heels. And indeed, it is difficult except for those whom Allah has guided.
And never would Allah have caused you to lose your faith. Indeed
Allah is, to the people, Kind and Merciful.Peace runninglikezebras, so what was the qiblah we used to face
and what was the new qiblah?God bless you
Hi hawk99,
The community addressed had different qiblas as quran clearly states, on which they didn't agree. These different qiblas are the hallmark of polytheists. Before following the messenger, many of those following had polytheistic practices. The qibla appointed to them by the messenger is Temple Mount/Sharif Al Haram. The response of those receiving this instruction is also described in Quran former polytheists asking why they should accept a qibla that has been abandoned by the Jews while they were on it (the Jewish were expelled from Jerusalem). Quran also warns not all of those given the entire book containing all the clear signs (Quran) will accept this qibla.
Peace
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And thus we have made you a just community that you will be
witnesses over the people and the Messenger will be a witness over you.The above verse shows how valid this still is today. Temple mount is still under muslim authority while safeguarding free access to all adherents of the abrahamic faith.
Who is this balanced community in Mecca that safeguards access to muslims, christians and jews?
That is for one whose people are not at-hand/present (at) al masjid al haram
hindering from the way/path of God and to reject in it and (reject in) al masjid al haram, and expelling its people from it is a greater wrong AAinda/(in the presence of) GodAnd why should God not punish them while they hinder from al maSJD al haram, and they were not its guardians/protectors! Its guardians/protectors are the conscientious
those who have rejected/concealed and hinder from the path of God and al masjid al haram which We made for mankind, equal are the devotee/attached/resident in it and the bedouin/visitor/traveller, and whoever intends/wishes in it deviation (or) wrongdoing, We will make him taste from painful retribution.http//i.imgur.com/Sffn4yN.png
If Mecca is your qibla the above picture is the traffic sign pointing to it, fully in contradiction with Quran. Congrats! Not to mention all the rituals performed there are 100% pagan 0% monotheistic. The hypocrisy can't be more evident. When sassanid conquerors and byzantine Christians tried to restrict access to the real masjid al haram in Jerusalem in a similar fashion, God intervened. The result is Quran.
Peace
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I still argue that a location is not more holy than the soul on-site at any given moment. The concept of physical "focal points" is totally not right.
It's just a means to an end, making evident those turning back on their heels (to pagan/polytheistic ways) from those following the messenger and thus the message.
Peace
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For some Rabbinic and Talmudic evidence
"...O Jerusalem, the built up Jerusalem is like a city that is united together...Pray for the peace of Jerusalem..." (Psalms 1222-6);
Berakhot 30 ?One should direct one?s HEART towards Jerusalem.?
Brachot 27a If one is praying in the Land of Israel, he should direct his heart towards Jerusalem; If he is standing in Jerusalem, he should face towards the Holy Temple
Why are the fruits of Ginosar not found in Jerusalem? So that the pilgrims should not say "were it only incumbent on us to eat the fruits of Ginosar in Jerusalem, it would be enough" ? Pesachim 8b
Jerusalem is the light of the world ? Bereshit Rabbah 59
The Land of Israel sits at the centre of the world and Jerusalem sits at the centre of the Land of Israel ? Tanchuma Kedoshim 10
All who pray in Jerusalem - it is as if he prayed before the throne of glory, because the gate of heaven is situated there ? Pirkei de-Rabbi Eliezer 35
From the day Jerusalem was destroyed, God has no joy, until He rebuilds Jerusalem and returns Israel to it ? Yalkut Shimoni Lamentations 1009
1 Kings 846-50 ""If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captive unto the land of the enemy, far off or near; 47 yet if they shall bethink themselves in the land whither they are carried captive, and turn again, and make supplication unto thee in the land of them that carried them captive, saying, We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have dealt wickedly; 48 if they return unto thee with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their enemies, which carried them captive, and pray unto thee toward their land, which thou gavest unto their fathers, the city which thou hast chosen, and the house which I have built for thy name 49 then hear thou their prayer and their supplication in heaven thy dwelling place, and maintain their cause; 50 and forgive thy people which have sinned against thee, and all their transgressions wherein they have transgressed against thee; and give them compassion before those who carried them captive, that they may have compassion on them."
The mizrah of old synagogues all point to Jerusalem
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Excavations of ancient synagogues show that their design generally conformed with the Talmudic and traditional rule on prayer direction. The synagogues excavated west of Eretz Israel in Miletus, Priene, and Aegina all show an eastern orientation. Josephus, in his work Against Apion, recorded that the same was the case for Egyptian synagogues. Synagogues north of Jerusalem and west of the Jordan River, as in Bet Alfa, Capernaum, Hammath, and Khorazin, all face southward, whereas houses of worship east of the Jordan all face west. In the south, the synagogue excavated at Masada faces northwest to Jerusalem. The Tosefta's regulation that the entrance to the synagogue should be on the eastern side, while the orientation of the building should be toward the west was followed only in the synagogue in Irbid.Peace
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peace all
We have certainly seen the turning of your face, , toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you are, turn your faces toward it. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do 2144
So from wherever you go out/exit turn your face toward al- Masjid al-Haram, and indeed, it is the truth from your Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.2149
And from wherever you go out/exit, turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you may be, turn your faces toward it in order that the people will not have any argument against you, except for those of them who commit wrong; so fear them not but fear Me. And so I may complete My favor upon you and that you may be guided 2150
WHERE IS THE WORD SALAT IN THE ABOVE THREE VERSES?
First prove that these three verses are revealed in the context of SALAT.and then proceed further.
from wherever you go out/exit turn your face toward al- Masjid al-Haram IS THIS A COMMAND FOR SALAT DIRECTION?
AMBIGUOUS COMMAND FROM ALLAH? SURPRISING?
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You can find your answer in http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2&verse=144
Do you have examples of a qibla not used as a prayer direction?
Every early synagogue and early mosque is orientated towards Jerusalem. How would you call this if not a qibla?
Where is the ambiguity?
Peace
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Peace runninglikezebras, while I agree in principle, I do have a problem with
shared rites and rituals as you propose. We are a different community than
the Jews, Christians, Hindus and others and we each have our rites and rituals.
The sacred Masjid for Muslims is in Mecca not Jerusalem. We do not celebrate
others holidays or pray or fast the way they do or make pilgrimage the same.
You are free to face Jerusalem if you like.5/48 And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of
the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has
revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has
come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had
pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in
what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to
Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;from wherever you go out/exit turn your face toward al- Masjid al-Haram IS THIS A COMMAND FOR SALAT DIRECTION?
Yep!
God bless
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peace all
We have certainly seen the turning of your face, , toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you are, turn your faces toward it. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do 2144
So from wherever you go out/exit turn your face toward al- Masjid al-Haram, and indeed, it is the truth from your Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.2149
And from wherever you go out/exit, turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you may be, turn your faces toward it in order that the people will not have any argument against you, except for those of them who commit wrong; so fear them not but fear Me. And so I may complete My favor upon you and that you may be guided 2150
WHERE IS THE WORD SALAT IN THE ABOVE THREE VERSES?
First prove that these three verses are revealed in the context of SALAT.and then proceed further.
from wherever you go out/exit turn your face toward al- Masjid al-Haram IS THIS A COMMAND FOR SALAT DIRECTION?
AMBIGUOUS COMMAND FROM ALLAH? SURPRISING?
Salaam Br. Hafeez
Why do you keep turning towards something that is Haram?Should one turn away from Haram?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607501.msg367543#msg367543
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Peace runninglikezebras, while I agree in principle, I do have a problem with
shared rites and rituals as you propose. We are a different community than
the Jews, Christians, Hindus and others and we each have our rites and rituals.
The sacred Masjid for Muslims is in Mecca not Jerusalem. We do not celebrate
others holidays or pray or fast the way they do or make pilgrimage the same.
You are free to face Jerusalem if you like.5/48 And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of
the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has
revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has
come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had
pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in
what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to
Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;Yep!
God bless
So I guess to you Ibrahim is not Abraham, Ishmail is not Ishmael, Ishaq is not Isaac, Yaqub is not Jacob.
I will cite from Quran answering to you
Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, "Are you more knowing or is Allah ?" And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from Allah ? And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
To me it's equal if you persist in a sectarian take on Abrahams faith. You'd be surprised to find out your tradition of hajj and zakaat is as old as judaism is. It's rather ironic though to find a distorted interpretation of Quran on this forum that is openly promoting division and sectarianism.
To me Quran did not bring any new tradition nor faith. It reminded us of an existing faith involving salat, zakat, hajj all of which are traditions predating Quran. Everyone of the messengers named in Quran except Muhammad predate Quran. If you fail to accept this you are bound to stray away from the abrahamic faith similar to what happened to the sunni and shia sects.
Different traditions you say
Muslims Once a year Muslims are commanded to make a pilgrimage (Hajj) to Mecca
Jews Three times a year Jews were commanded to make a pilgrimage (Hag ? hag ha-matzot, hag ha-sukkot, hag ha-shavuot) to Jerusalem
Muslims Only those capable of traveling to Mecca are obligated to go
Jews Only those capable of traveling to the Temple were obligated to go
Muslims Purify the body with water before going on Hajj
Jews Purify the body with water before going on Hag
Muslims Circle the Kaaba seven times (Tawaf) anti-clockwise
Jews Circle the Temple seven times anti-clockwise
Muslims During Hajj pilgrims are obligated to offer certain animals as a qurban (sacrifice)
Jews As part of the Hag pilgrims were obligated to offer certain animals as a korban (sacrifice)
Muslims If a woman is in her menses she should refrain from circling the Kaaba
Jews If a woman is in her menses she should refrain from ascending to the Temple Mount and circling the Temple
Muslims It is preferable to enter the al-Haram complex barefoot
Jews It is preferable to enter the Temple complex barefootThe only difference I see is that the majority of muslims doesnt know their qibla anymore. Other than that the traditions are still intact and hard to distinct from eachother except for the geographical location.
But again, by all means, keep facing a meaningless STONE during prayers.
ps "a law and a way" are singular not plural
Peace
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So I guess to you Ibrahim is not Abraham, Ishmail is not Ishmael, Ishaq is not Isaac, Yaqub is not Jacob.
I will cite from Quran answering to you
Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, "Are you more knowing or is Allah ?" And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from Allah ? And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
To me it's equal if you persist in a sectarian take on Abrahams faith. You'd be surprised to find out your tradition of hajj and zakaat is as old as judaism is.
ps "a law and a way" are singular not plural
Peace
Peace runninglikezebras, yes Ibrahim is Abraham, Ishmail is Ishmael,
Ishaq is Isaac, Yaqub is Jacob. Like I said in my earlier post, fasting
Hajj, prayer and other rites and rituals exist around the world and
predate Islam, we do not "share" a qibla, or sacred masjid we have our way
and they each have theirs.God bless you
peace
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Peace runninglikezebras, yes Ibrahim is Abraham, Ishmail is Ishmael,
Ishaq is Isaac, Yaqub is Jacob. Like I said in my earlier post, fasting
Hajj, prayer and other rites and rituals exist around the world and
predate Islam, we do not "share" a qibla, or sacred masjid we have our way
and they have theirs.God bless you
peace
That's a rather schizophrenic point of view don't you think? You acknowledge Abraham, you acknowledge the jewish Hajj predates the Quranic reference to Hajj. I could give you a much longer list with similar religious traditions existing with both muslims and jews. But still you feel the right qibla is some meteorite rock someone placed in a shrine in the desert? Was Abraham jewish, christian or muslim? When you answered that question try to answer the same question about the masjid al haram is it jewish, christian or muslim?
If there is only one Abraham there can only be one masjid al haram. Unless you are suffering from some schizophrenic disorder, you can't avoid facing this issue. Either it's mecca or it's jerusalem. If you say it's mecca what evidence - quranically and historically - is there to support mecca? Why did the early caliphs construct the dome of the rock in Jerusalem? Why does neither the quran nor the dome of the rock have any message saying jerusalem is the wrong qibla - similar to how Quran and the dome of the rock tell christians Jesus is not a God? Don't you think the dome of the rock confirms this symbolical place related to Abraham rather than contradicting it? If you were caliph and you knew Jerusalem to be the wrong qibla would you build a octagonal shrine on it pointing in all directions as a qibla?
Peace
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What I find surprising is hawk99's total denial Jerusalem even ever was a Qiblah. Even sunni scholars admit at one point Jerusalem was the correct qibla. Then God supposedly changed this qibla but forgot to tell about it in the Quran. Sunni scholars abuse this argument to make their hadith mandatory. Part of this is actually true. We see a difference in the qibla of early mosques placed on a timeline. The more you go back into the past the more they will point to Jerusalem. Later mosques consistently point to Mecca.
The only valid debate here I'm seeing is whether God really instructed a change in qibla in the sense of no longer the existing qibla at Jerusalem. Instead I'm into a debate with people who seem to ignore historical facts that even the most hardcore sunni scholars admit to.
The same applies for the building date of the masjid al haram in mecca. The only source hadith that were written centuries after the actual events. Who constructed the masjid al haram in Mecca? Was it Muhammad? Where is this confirmed in Quran? Where is the instruction of God ordering to build a temple in Mecca? It's nowhere to be found except in hadith fantasy stories dating 300 years after the events took place.
My estimation is the current masjid al haram is not older than 8th century. If not 9th. Never wondered why saudi's are so afraid to allow any archaelogical study on the matter?
There is no historical mist surrounding the construction date of the dome of the rock and by who it was built however.
I have asked this question before, not one has answered in defense of Mecca but where is your proof of christian influence in the Hijaz region? There is no trace of them. Not one sign there ever were christians during that era in Hijaz. Yet all verses dealing with qibla and masjid al haram mention christians.
Peace
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Don't falsely accuse me of not answering your question or being incapable of doing so. I gave you two examples one involving the foreign names of messengers known to jews and another example of the import of the aramaic alaha to arab.
In case you have some visual handicap here it is again
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from the Aramaic/Syriac alaha, meaning 'God' or 'the God'.
The final 'a' in the name alaha was originally the definite article
'the' and is regularly dropped when Syriac words and names are
borrowed into Arabic. Middle-eastern Christianity used 'alah' and
'alaha' frequently, and it would have often been heard.But in the Aramaic/Syriac language there are two different 'a' vowels,
one rather like the 'a' in English 'hat' and the other more like the
vowel in 'ought'. In the case of 'alah', the first vowel was like
'hat' and the second like 'ought'. Arabic does not have a vowel like
the one in 'ought', but it seems to have BORROWED this vowel along
with the word 'alah'. If you know Arabic, then you know that the
second vowel in 'allah' is unique; it occurs only in that one word
in Arabic.Another import from Aramaic another doubling of a consonant triggered by the ambiguity of the 'a' vowel. Same phenomenon with "baca". alaha (aram) -> allah (arab) | baca (aramaic) -> bacca (arab)
Besides I already supported this etymology with how these proper nouns are non fully inflected denoting their foreign origin.
Is Yaqub not Jacob? Is Ibrahim not Abraham?
@huruf do you think you have removed the hadith from your faith? If you still are so stubborn to ignore the massive influx of hebrew, aramaic, akkadian even persian words in the Quranic vocabularium you are trying to understand Quran using the language of hadith. Not the language of Quran.
Peace
That you parrot nonsense does not make it into an explanation of anything. You assert something without any ground and from there you go on saying that you have proved something. So No Allah in Arabic till it was borrowed from Aramaic? Were you there?
And you are really impetinent and without manners. You have to have your way and be right no matter what. Do you think you penalise me by telling me that I hold onto hadith. Who are you? You do not know any more Arabic than I do nor do you have better consultors in Arabic than I do and you pose as if you were some authority? Don't you have a sense of ridicule?
No it seems you do not, but at any rate that is to be expected from somebody so full of himself as to take it for granted that he knows more than the next person and has a right to put other people down.
Enjoy your "aramaic" but don't waste it on me you are not thorough nor are you logic nort follow a proper argumentation.
Salaam
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That you parrot nonsense does not make it into an explanation of anything. You assert something without any ground and from there you go on saying that you have proved something. So No Allah in Arabic till it was borrowed from Aramaic? Were you there?
And you are really impetinent and without manners. You have to have your way and be right no matter what. Do you think you penalise me by telling me that I hold onto hadith. Who are you? You do not know any more Arabic than I do nor do you have better consultors in Arabic than I do and you pose as if you were some authority? Don't you have a sense of ridicule?
No it seems you do not, but at any rate that is to be expected from somebody so full of himself as to take it for granted that he knows more than the next person and has a right to put other people down.
Enjoy your "aramaic" but don't waste it on me you are not thorough nor are you logic nort follow a proper argumentation.
Salaam
If I'm right I'm not going to pretend I'm wrong. Ad hominems are very poor arguments in any rational debate. So far you haven't contributed anything substantial concercing historicity, linguistics or rationality. You keep resorting to an emotional response which usually translates to just hating me. Well let me tell you, I'm used to that. If you want to knock me of my horse, better bring some substantial arguments. Attacking my personality won't convince me of being wrong even if I would be.
You showed unawareness of any foreign words inside the Quran. How do you expect me to treat you as an equal peer?
Peace
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Yoy call others names and then you come back saying that others are using ad hominem arguments. You must have some loose screws in your thinking habitacle.
At any rate you pretend you come up with useful stuff, but it is your own stuff not proven by anything and based solely on you own opinion that in the Qur'an the words you fancy are foreign loans.
If you think that because you are very daring when atacking others and do not have a sense of respect everybody is going down to tell you you are right, then you are wrong. You may turn to me and come with the ad hominem thing or whatever you fancy, you are still not right, and you hare not solid in your argumentation and you are overbearing and condescending and you do not know that much Arabic.
Salaam
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What I find surprising is hawk99's total denial Jerusalem even ever was a Qiblah.
Peace runninglikezebras the above is simply not true please read below.
Correct!
6/10 When Daniel knew that the document had been signed, he went to his house where he had windows in
his upper chamber open toward Jerusalem. He got down on his knees three times a day and prayed and
gave thanks before his God, as he had done previously. yeah, yeah, yeah I know its from the BibleWe know that the Qiblah was Jerusalem, the direction that all previous Prophets and messengers faced during
prayer, but then2/143 And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness
to the people and (that) the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make
that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the
Messenger from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those
whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your faith to be fruitless; most
surely Allah is Affectionate, Merciful to the people.Muhammad fond of Mecca
2/144 Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a
qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever
you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book most surely
know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do.Masjid Al Qiblatain (Mosque of the two Qiblas)
Masjid al-Qiblatain ( ن (Mosque of the two Qiblas) is a mosque in Medina that is
historically important for Muslims as the place where the Islamic prophet Muhammad,
leading the prayer, is said to have been commanded to change the direction of prayer
(qibla) from Jerusalem to Mecca. Thus it uniquely contained two prayer niches (mihrabs).
Recently the mosque was renovated; the old prayer niche facing Jerusalem was removed,
and the one facing Mecca was left.God bless you
peace
God bless you from your schizophrenic forum member.