Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Salam,
I was just wondering why the "old palm sheath" metaphor for crescent, when the word for crescent is already clearly used? Does the metaphor lend to any additional clues or anything?
Because it is not referring to the "crescent", but the full moon (the old palm sheaths fall to both sides, making a full circle shape).
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It has been a very long time since I have posted on this site and am not sure if my concern even fits this category but my question is why is it assumed that fasting means forsaking food and drink when the only example of fasting cited in the book is of Mary mother of Eesa and her example of fasting was no talking? Where is the command from Al Ilahe(The god) to abstain from food and drink?
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It has been a very long time since I have posted on this site and am not sure if my concern even fits this category but my question is why is it assumed that fasting means forsaking food and drink when the only example of fasting cited in the book is of Mary mother of Eesa and her example of fasting was no talking? Where is the command from Al Ilahe(The god) to abstain from food and drink?
The Holy Quran, Surah Al Baqarah 2187
?Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are limits (set by) Allah Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men that they may learn self-restraint
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Ok, I am well aware of this ayat but the problem still remains in my mind concerning the fast of Mary mother of Eesa being that she not speak not eating played no part in this description of what fasting entails. The ayat that you quoted does not say "and abstain from eating and drinking and sexual intercourse". Other than the description of the fast of Mary, not speaking, there is no other ayah that describes what exactly entails, is there?
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Because it is not referring to the "crescent", but the full moon (the old palm sheaths fall to both sides, making a full circle shape).
This is incorrect because the passage uses the singular "sheath" while, as you can see, you had to use the plural sheaths to turn it into the sheaths falling on both sides (even this is an incorrect imagery since it doesn't have the same shape of the full round circle of the full-moon).
Since the passage talks about a single sheath then this is clearly referring to the crescent shape.
The passage talks about descending stages "manazil" (from NZL Descend). Since the moon can only descend in size from the full-moon, then it is clearly talking about the cycle starting from the full-moon and descending in stages until it becomes a crescent.
Peace,
Ayman
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Assalaamu wa alaikum
it returns as a curved sheath (singular). so the new moon is basically the zero moon or the astronomical new moon, which is before the crescent. when there is no moon in the sky.
the main problem is that the moon cycle is not a strict 29 or 30 days. rather 29.53 days. sometimes you will not see the new moon because the new moon might take place when it is day on earth, and by the time the sun sets, the crescent has already appeared.
if the moon returns as a curved sheath. then the next phase after the waning crescent is no moon in the sky, which can be easily confirmed through naked eye and telescope, where neither can contradict each other.
as shahr is something obvious it may be the phase when there is no moon, and it is obvious, even if you go to a mountain you won't see it.
as our calendar is similar to the scripture, the people of the book also use the astonomical new moon which is the zero moon to identify the new month.
Regarding the month of ramadhan, my opinion is there are a couple of definitions for the word ramadh, with i think shortness of rations predominating the heat interpretation.
if we denote rabi al awwal as the start of the grazing season, which starts in april, the grazing season finishes in autumn. there is shortness of rations as the trees shed their foliage. If we take rabia al awwal as april in the grazing season, then if we count down the months till ramadhan in order, we will find that it falls in october which falls in autumn.
in addition the word ramidha is used as a name in muslims and arabs and means white rose. As you know white roses or in general roses are particularly attached with autumn.
http//www.special-dictionary.com/names/r/ramidha_14.htm
that is why we have the famous " autumn rose "
As seasons are based on harvest, i would interpret ramadhan as ramidha or shortness of rations.
Salaam
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Peace Nadeem,
it returns as a curved sheath (singular). so the new moon is basically the zero moon or the astronomical new moon, which is before the crescent. when there is no moon in the sky.
Have you ever seen a curved sheath?? It is certainly not invisible like the zero moon or even barely visible like the new moon crescent.
Also, the shape of the curved sheath can be either the waning crescent or the waxing crescent. How did you decide which one?
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace everyone peace
I Just wanted to note that the Qurna states that in sura 9
The hypocrites worry that a sura may be revealed exposing what is inside their hearts. Say, "Go ahead and mock. GOD will expose exactly what you are afraid of."(964)
"...They said, "Let us not mobilize in this heat!" Say, "The fire of Hell is much hotter," if they could only comprehend. (981)
"Ramadan is the month during which the Quran was revealed...(2185)
Based on this evidence, can is it not rightfull to say that the "scorching hot" month is the month of ramadan
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Peace All,
I have just gone through this whole thread from when it started years back. Phew! What a fantastic read. Can anyone tell me the names of the 4 restricted months?
Peace.
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Salaam
The Qur'an enjoins those who witness the month of Ramadan to fast in it.
How does one witness a month? When you experience the day breaking and ending for around thirty/29 days. So those who live in the s/northern hemisphere do not witness some months, as the sun never sets or rises and so there is no distinct separation at dawn or towards night. This is a basic requirement for starting and ending fast and as one commentator said ? a common principle that any who suffers from impractibility, the relevant provision of law does not apply to him?
Best regards
faridasalam,
In the qur'an are signs for people who use their god given reasoning faculty.
If one asks how can one witness a month, then this person must continue asking other questions, such as how can one fast a full moon, or how can one fast while at work on the space station. Yet a better thoughtful question, how can believers fast someday while working on the moon itself.I mean no ills for anyone.
sincerely
khodr -
Peace everyone peace
I Just wanted to note that the Qurna states that in sura 9
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The hypocrites worry that a sura may be revealed exposing what is inside their hearts. Say, "Go ahead and mock. GOD will expose exactly what you are afraid of."(964)Quote
"...They said, "Let us not mobilize in this heat!" Say, "The fire of Hell is much hotter," if they could only comprehend. (981)
Quote"Ramadan is the month during which the Quran was revealed...(2185)
Based on this evidence, can is it not rightfull to say that the "scorching hot" month is the month of ramadandear youssef
was the Quran not revealed in stages? can we really conclude from the wording of Sura 9 that- something was really revealed because the subjunctive is used (The hypocrites worry that a sura may be revealed exposing what is inside their hearts.)
- deduced from the fact that the entire Quran was sent down completely during Ramadan?
If this was so, then your conclusions are correct.
If he was not fully revealed in Ramadan, but over a longer period, then your conclusions are not correct and Ayman could be quite.
how the Koran was sent down? confused
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was the Quran not revealed in stages? can we really conclude from the wording of Sura 9 that
- something was really revealed because the subjunctive is used (The hypocrites worry that a sura may be revealed exposing what is inside their hearts.)
- deduced from the fact that the entire Quran was sent down completely during Ramadan?
If this was so, then your conclusions are correct.
If he was not fully revealed in Ramadan, but over a longer period, then your conclusions are not correct and Ayman could be quite.
how the Koran was sent down? confused
I think that the key is to understand the difference between INZAL (happens during the night of measure/ the scorching full moon, which also happens during the hot time of the year) and TANZIL (happens gradually on the heart of the prophet). One can then see that the two complement each other and are not mutually exclusive. This was discussed previously in the forum.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
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In Qur'an, Ramadaan is not used for a month but rather a category of 'Negatives of life' like 'Don'ts of life'. In human nature, the negative approaches such as self caring, non-factual, emotional, blind following, or thinking only of him/herself, family etc and not of collective life is where the problem is. With such approaches, it may not be devastating upfront, but collective human life suffers miserably when all is said and done. That's what was referred 'Ramadaan' as a category and was mentioned that Qur'an was brought forth for this category of approach since guidance is needed only where there are things that are not to be done. The objective was successful, progressive, bountiful, responsible, harmonious human life in this world.
Whenever, wherever you encounter that category, stay away (Saum) from it. If humans did not have that negatives in biological makeup, they would not need any guidance. So it was not any month of Ramadaan or fasting of food that Qur'an talked about. Its message was to address individual approach of life based on successful collective human life so that whatever we do in our individual capacity, it should be a very thought out approach based upon successful of collective human life. That's what is most difficult for human being.
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thank you very much.
where it was discussed?you can give me the link? or it's all in the' hot ramadan'?thank you for your help.It was discussed in several places in the forum.
In summary, the great reading was descended in two stages and two distinct veb forms are used ti denote both stages. The first stage is "inzal" in one night per year (laylatu al-qadr/shahr ramadan). The second stage is gradual "tanzil" to the prophet's heart by the spirit Gabriel (see 26192-195, 2532).
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace everyone,
The scorching full-moon, which is the first full-moon after the summer solstice, will occur on the night of July 3rd, 2012. So fasting will begin on July 4th and last for 10 days until July 13th.
Peace and best wishes,
Ayman
Selam Ayman
Will this be the case for the northern hemisphere?
Peace
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Concerning the duration and timing of the fast following threads can be useful to read
duration http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600410.0
a fasting-period of three days - this year at 2th, 3th and 4th of July, might be most probable according to the literal reading of relevant verses, especially verse 2185
timing http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600827.0
the fasting is connected to the remembrance of the arrival of the Koran according to verse 2185, this is at the same time for the believers living on the northern and southern hemisphere, the -shahr ramadan- where the Koran arrived - in Arabia.
salaam,
TruthseekerDisclaimer the study of the Koran is work in progress, every information in any posting on this forum should be controlled by the believers themselves in the best way - verse 1736.
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Way to confusing...Ill stick to Ramadan beginning on the fullmoon after summer solstice(July 3rd,2012) and fasting 30 days since from one fullmoon to the next is roughly 30 days. and The night of destiny ("laylat al-qadr",in the night of the full-moon of scorching heat which would be the 1st day/night of ramadan.
Some will argue that 2185 "let him abstain it" means the first day of the fullmoon,some will say its the whole 10 day period, and some will say the whole period of 30 days. This is my way of keeping it until I learn Ancient Arabic so I can read it myself, or until Allah shows me different. Peace.
